Conférence de presse conjointe d'Emmanuel Macron, Président de la République, et de Benyamin Netanyahou, Premier ministre d'Israël
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00:00-E. Macron : Bien.
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undefined:undefinedBenyamin Netanyahu, en France.
00:13Cette visite est placée
00:15sous le signe
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undefined:undefineddu 70e anniversaire
00:30de la création de l'Etat d'Israël.
00:33J'aurai l'occasion de m'exprimer
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00:45au Grand palais
00:46pour l'inauguration
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01:01et d'assurer la sécurité d'Israël,
01:03à laquelle la France demeure
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01:17Et j'ai redit au Premier ministre
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01:30mais n'avait jamais été considéré
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undefined:undefinednous avons eu une discussion,
01:46qui, je crois, a permis
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01:57bien évidemment,
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02:14l'accord de 2015 est une étape
02:16qui nécessite d'être,
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02:32Sur ce point, la question syrienne
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undefined:undefinedque nous étions d'accord
02:51à mettre en place
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03:04notre souhait
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03:18pour la sécurité d'Israël.
03:21Et la longue discussion
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03:38auxquelles l'ensemble des Syriens
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03:56et est un des éléments
03:58de ce règlement régional
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04:17et les avancées que nous devons
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04:30la semaine dernière,
04:32et c'est ce dont
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04:43Nous avons également discuté
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04:59par les uns ou les autres,
05:01notre attachement
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undefined:undefinedJérusalem comme capitale.
05:16A cet égard, j'ai fait part
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undefined:undefinedune inquiétude légitime.
05:33Et j'ai rappelé à ce titre
05:35la position
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05:50et la condamnation
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06:10le souhait de la France
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undefined:undefinedfaisait déjà avec la Jordanie.
06:24Nous allons le poursuivre
06:25avec d'autres partenaires
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06:35à la fois humanitaire
06:37à la crise aiguë
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06:52dans lesquelles s'incarne
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07:06je veux ici le redire,
07:08la coopération entre nos équipes,
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07:19en nous appuyant notamment
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07:36par les échanges
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07:46Des relations denses
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07:58Et le souhait de la France
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08:13à l'issue de cet entretien,
08:14avant de laisser la parole
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08:30avant d'aller avec vous
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08:46et vous dire combien la relation
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09:17Nous ne pouvons pas débattre
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09:32à l'évidence pour aider nos 2 pays
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09:53Comme beaucoup d'Israéliens,
09:54j'ai été élevé
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undefined:undefinednous avons une communauté,
10:15une communauté franco-juive,
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10:33toutes les démocraties
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10:58La première,
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11:13parce que c'est de là
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11:31que je pense que ces échanges
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11:42que nous allons intensifier,
11:44parce que c'est tellement
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12:06pour éviter les conceptions
12:10ou les desseins agressifs
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12:19Vous avez eu cette expérience,
12:21vous avez perdu, ici,
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12:33Israël se bat aussi
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12:52comme celui de l'Iran.
12:53Les archives nucléaires
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13:05des mesures de coercition maximum
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13:22vont décider
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13:29est d'arrêter l'agression
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13:44ce que vous cherchez
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13:56Nous devons bloquer
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14:14a dit, il y a 2 jours,
14:15que leur but était
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14:28nous ne l'accepterons pas.
14:30Je voudrais dire
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14:51sur laquelle il faut se concentrer
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15:03ne sont pas
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15:16Ils veulent kidnapper
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15:31capturer des civils ou des soldats
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15:52que 50 sur les 62
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16:05et nous voulons exercer ce droit.
16:08Nous essayons de le faire
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16:23gouvernées
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16:34"nous tuerons
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16:46Ici aussi,
16:47je pense qu'il y a
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17:02Ils comprennent
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17:12parce qu'ils croient,
17:14ces pays arabes croient
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17:25toutes ces choses sont possibles.
17:27Et je crois
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17:40mais en même temps,
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17:49ça se produit au Moyen-Orient.
17:51C'est vrai également
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18:06comme l'intelligence artificielle,
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18:25Pour pouvoir fleurir,
18:26eh bien, il faut
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18:47Je sais
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19:01mais ensemble,
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19:12c'était une position constante
19:15que vous avez épousée.
19:18C'est important,
19:19parce que l'antisémitisme
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19:31c'est de l'antisémitisme.
19:33Vous pouvez dire :
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19:43et je suis très heureux
19:44que vous ayez pris
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19:58nos buts communs
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20:15Merci beaucoup, Emmanuel.
20:20-E. Macron : Nous allons
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20:44et avoir un plan
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20:58en tant qu'Etat indépendant ?
20:59Et le Premier ministre Netanyahu,
21:01pendant que nous parlons
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21:14est-ce que vous pensez
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21:33Nous faisons tout pour, d'abord,
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21:53j'imagine qu'il va arriver.
21:55Je pense qu'aujourd'hui,
21:57nous devons concentrer
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22:10devant l'assemblée générale
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22:26pour ceux
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22:37à l'Agence internationale
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22:53ou pas compris
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23:03en particulier liés à l'Iran,
23:05et qu'on traite des activités
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23:18que la France a décidé
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23:32Il est évident
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23:47mais elle doit d'abord venir
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24:06et je peux vous le redire ici,
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24:19qui est l'acte américain
24:20consistant à faire de Jérusalem
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24:36Moi, je ne sais pas
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24:46je vais faire une reconnaissance
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24:57Pas davantage
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25:22-B. Netanyahu : Je crois que
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25:47qui pourraient menacer
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26:01Mais dénucléariser l'Iran,
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26:21vous allez pouvoir le faire
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26:36et pas pour le rendre plus modéré,
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26:51Donc si l'accord était censé
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27:03c'est important également
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27:16une armée chiite
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27:28comme ils l'ont dit ouvertement,
27:30mais aussi pour convertir
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27:47Et où vont-ils aller,
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28:09ce que nous empêchons de faire
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28:21les intérêts de nos amis ici,
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28:37c'est comment bloquer
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28:50leur armée, leurs milices,
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29:12sur la négation d'Israël.
29:15Il ne s'agit pas
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29:33Le Hamas
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29:48malheureusement,
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undefined:undefinedde reconnaître l'Etat palestinien.
29:59"Pourquoi
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undefined:undefinedà certains moments,
30:09d'arriver aux vérités de base,
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30:16"les frontières,
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undefined:undefinedde reconnaître un Etat juif,
30:29"quels que soient ses frontières.
30:30Pour l'amour de Dieu,
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undefined:undefinedà Jérusalem,
30:45mais mon bureau est à Jérusalem.
30:47Le bureau du Premier ministre
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undefined:undefinedet ça ne va pas changer non plus.
31:02Je pense que la vérité est basée,
31:07plutôt, la paix se base
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undefined:undefinedreconnaître l'Etat juif,
31:24reconnaître qu'il a une capitale
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undefined:undefinedde reprendre
31:43l'enrichissement de l'uranium.
31:44Est-ce que, selon vous,
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undefined:undefined655
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedun coup de téléphone très tendu
31:57avec Donald Trump ?
31:58Et si c'est le cas,
32:00est-ce que ça va compliquer
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32:15vous ne demandez pas à la France
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undefined:undefinedavec la Corée du Nord,
32:25si, par ailleurs, l'accord
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undefined:undefinedde 2015, dit JCPoA.
32:43Et donc, je ne saurais
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedque quand on décide de son côté
32:55de mettre fin à un accord,
32:57ça n'encourage pas l'autre partie
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undefined:undefinedque ça n'est pas suffisant,
33:06mais que c'est déjà
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undefined:undefinedque deux tu l'auras.
33:17Donc le JCPoA n'est pas suffisant,
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undefined:undefinedje considère que ça veut dire
33:32qu'il y a une montée
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undefined:undefinedqu'à une chose : le conflit.
33:48Et donc je suis,
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undefined:undefinedà la sécurité collective,
34:02parce qu'ils répondent
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34:18Et c'est pour ça que la démarche
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedest directement en cause.
34:30Et le Premier ministre Netanyahu
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undefined:undefined717
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undefined:undefinedde tension supplémentaire,
34:44mais qui nous invite plutôt
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34:59a pu constater,
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undefined:undefinedje n'ai pas d'indication
35:09que l'Iran soit sorti du cadre
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undefined:undefinedqui sont revenues
35:23dans les caisses de l'Iran,
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undefined:undefinedl'impression qu'il n'y aurait
35:34que les Européens,
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undefined:undefinedou telle entreprise
35:49décide d'arrêter une activité qui,
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedet ça, c'est fait.
36:00Et donc, ce qu'il faut aussi
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undefined:undefinedd'expansion,
36:12ça fait partie de ce volet
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undefined:undefinedd'avoir du bon sens,
36:25c'est que j'ai jamais raconté
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedqu'ils continueraient
36:37à en manger."
36:39Et donc, je suis attaché
36:41à ce que les gens
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedqui parlaient des coups de fil,
36:53ils viennent pas de chez moi,
36:54donc allez interroger les gens
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedsi c'est terrible.
37:08On fait et on avance.
37:09Et depuis le début,
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undefined:undefined780
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedparce que nos 2 pays
37:25sont profondément liés
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undefined:undefined786
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedde coopération économique.
37:36Et nous avons des désaccords,
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undefined:undefined790
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedcomme vous l'aurez noté. Voilà.
37:50Mais ça n'enlève rien à l'amitié
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undefined:undefined794
undefined:undefined795
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefineddu président Macron.
38:14Ce n'est pas toujours productif
38:17de raconter les contenus
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedà la suite de la conférence
38:37à la suite
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undefined:undefined807
undefined:undefined
undefined:undefinedun petit peu.
38:49Je crois à des bons accords,
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undefined:undefineddébattu aujourd'hui...
39:11Je ne cherche pas le retrait,
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undefined:undefinedses activités nucléaires,
39:34sous pression,
39:35ou il peut y avoir
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undefined:undefinedn'a pas d'arme nucléaire.
39:55Et dernier point,
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undefined:undefinedà tout ce en quoi nous croyons,
40:10et ce que vous croyez ici,
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefineddes 2 grandes menaces
40:22pour la sécurité,
40:24pour l'avenir du monde.
40:28C'est ce que je dirais...
40:30Le but final, c'est que l'Iran
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undefined:undefinedl'Iran a menti.
40:55Nous en avons les preuves,
40:57100 000 documents
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undefined:undefineddepuis la direction,
41:17depuis le leadership
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undefined:undefineddu JCPoA, ils ne l'ont pas fait.
41:32Il y a eu des tas de violations
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undefined:undefined
undefined:undefineden place du JCPoA.
41:52Je vous dirais
41:55que si vous avez
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undefined:undefineddans mon opposition
42:18à cet accord nucléaire,
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undefined:undefinedtrès justement :
42:30"Ils construisent
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undefined:undefinedc'est de leur dire :
42:39"Bon, d'accord, allez de l'avant.
42:40"Dans 10 ans,
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undefined:undefinedà son terme.
42:56Il faut s'assurer
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undefined:undefinedpar-dessus tout
43:08que l'agression iranienne
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undefined:undefineddans l'intérêt d'Israël,
43:20dans l'intérêt des Etats arabes,
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