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00:00:00 It's five out of five. We made it to Friday day number five in the week
00:00:04 And it should be exciting for all of us right I guess every day we wake up
00:00:09 So we come to the point where it's no longer a miracle for us
00:00:13 But it is a miracle if you are able to wake up this morning at the time I slept at dawn
00:00:18 I felt I might struggle to wake up which I did, but at least I woke up how about those who didn't so be thankful
00:00:24 Be grateful that you are able to watch me this morning
00:00:26 And I'm able to come to you from this point in the studio. My name is Benjamin Akakuen with a grateful heart
00:00:32 I welcome all of you aboard the AM show as always of course
00:00:36 I do this together with Bernice Aboubiru-Lanza but coming up on the show this morning
00:00:41 The news and after that we've got a new face. I have a surprise for you joining me for the news review
00:00:47 He's a member of our political desk. He goes by the name Samuel Mbura
00:00:52 He joins us for that segment and right after that we get into our big stories and maybe before that
00:00:59 Let me just let you know as well in sports right on prime day today
00:01:03 Mufti Abdullahi sits with the over to you man. Yeah, we all know him Joe
00:01:08 Latte and how could I forget my blunt thoughts for today? They are going to be
00:01:13 I've titled it barefaced thievery
00:01:18 Brazen arrogance and a crisis of leadership the beginning of the end. That's what I've titled it
00:01:25 But then in our big stories there has been that law to ban the declaration
00:01:31 Accusation naming or labeling of another person as a witch
00:01:35 How do you even get to know that?
00:01:36 well Parliament went through the amendment process which also prohibits the practice by any person as a witch doctor or
00:01:43 witch finder
00:01:46 Now on the back of what happened in 2020 90 year old if you have dent it was lynched in the Savannah region
00:01:52 I'm so you saw the videos gory after she was accused of being a witch
00:01:56 now a few of such incidents have occurred since then prompting the passage of this bill sponsored by
00:02:01 member of Parliament for my Dina Francis Xavier so soup
00:02:05 We'll be hearing from him and other stakeholders on the show today. This is a feat
00:02:11 Also on the show we're talking about
00:02:14 Rabies, yeah rabies you see those dogs around and some of those other animals including bats now
00:02:20 it is a viral zoonotic disease caused by a family or group of
00:02:25 neurotropic viruses that causes
00:02:27 progressive and fatal inflammation of the brain and spinal cord
00:02:31 the Ghana Health Service is on a campaign to educate citizens on how to
00:02:36 Prevent and if you do get it how to handle this virus that conversation will be coming your way later on the show
00:02:44 But today it may not be a business
00:02:46 But still with we've got an interaction with echo bank the Pan-African Bank
00:02:51 It has been running the double salary promo reloaded since May 2023. I think I should get an account
00:02:57 53 lucky customers emerged to winners in the first draw which was held at the bank's head office auditorium under the supervision of the National
00:03:05 Lotteries Authority the second draw was held in Sony anywhere over 50 customers
00:03:10 Were rewarded and the final draw will take place. Guess what next month August
00:03:14 We'll bring your details when officials of the bank join us for breakfast and the final bit today on the show
00:03:20 It is packed the Ghana Music Awards UK comes up soon
00:03:24 The nominees night is slated for next Friday the 4th of August. Our guest will be dr. Ernest Quissey
00:03:30 He'll join us on that conversation. He's head of event GMA
00:03:36 UK on that note, let's settle for the news up next but don't you forget whatever happens on the show
00:03:41 Send us a message celebrate that person if it's his or her birthday or anniversary and let's do this for God and country
00:03:48 We'll be right back
00:03:51 You
00:04:15 Now in our first story court cases in the Upper West Region have been suspended after the jury there walked out during proceedings
00:04:23 They accused government of unfair treatment and have threatened not to return until all their concerns are addressed
00:04:30 correspondent Rafiq Salam now reports
00:04:33 Jury foreman adewa high court Hakeem Suleiman
00:04:38 They have not been paid their attendance and sit-in allowances for almost two years
00:04:44 They have continuously complained to the judicial service of Ghana on the applied but has been ignored
00:04:51 attendance and sit-in allowances
00:04:53 That's fun from November 2021 up to date
00:04:57 And we have informed
00:05:00 my lord the high court judge several and then the judicial administrator and all those people concerned about
00:05:08 their failure to honor
00:05:11 this our payments
00:05:13 Especially most of us come from the communities, which is a bit distant from the high court and they take
00:05:20 means of transport and come to the court person when
00:05:24 sitting so
00:05:27 We have complained and they have not heard they said they've heard
00:05:31 They have not taken any action. The cruel reality is that colleagues in other regions
00:05:38 According to them have been paid. I don't know whether it is a discrimination or a kind of
00:05:43 type of assault
00:05:45 We can't tell why they have decided to pay all the other regions and left out
00:05:50 upper west region so we think that
00:05:53 We are undermined and we think that uh, we just should get to the authorities for the unfair treatment the jury on Wednesday
00:06:02 We're supposed to sit on a medical case, but they truncated the process
00:06:07 Apologize to the court instead you walk out. We attended. All right, but we made it clear
00:06:13 That we are not disrespecting the high court. We are not disrespecting
00:06:17 The lawyers present and we are not disrespecting
00:06:20 uh
00:06:23 People in the high in the courtroom, so we apologize for
00:06:26 Our actions that we have we are going to take but that we have to lay down our truth until our concerns are met
00:06:33 for now
00:06:35 Cases of murder mass slaughter and rape are now on Senate die
00:06:39 The jury members are saying that they will not sit unless these monies are paid to them
00:06:46 They cannot give definite sum of the money owed them by the judicial service of ghana
00:06:52 But believes it is in the range of thousands of ghana cities for the over 25 jurors and panel members
00:06:59 Are they were high court and the ward district court respectively?
00:07:03 Usually the attendance is 100 cities and the sitting allowance is 100 cities. So if you calculate
00:07:09 It depends on the number of attendance and the number of settings that each jury member
00:07:15 Makes so the amount varies from a person to the other the more cases you are in you have more
00:07:25 Monies to pick the delay in payment of these monies to the jury members
00:07:29 It's affecting their lives and they are now appealing to the government to quickly come to their aid
00:07:35 Now the minister for local government and rural development dan butcher is asking metropolitan
00:07:46 Municipal and district assemblies under the social cohesion program to handle the project with tact and discipline
00:07:54 Government and the world bank are funding the gulf of guinea northern social
00:07:57 Social cohesion project to improve infrastructure and also prevent the spread of conflict from the sahel into the area
00:08:05 Martina bugary reports that 48 mmdas will benefit from this project
00:08:10 Our project is a 450 million us dollars world bank support project
00:08:18 Expected to be implemented in benin codivua togo and ghana the government of ghana's allocation is a total of
00:08:26 150 million us dollars credit facility
00:08:29 The project will support the northern parts of the gulf of guinea countries that have been affected by food insecurity climate change
00:08:38 conflict and
00:08:40 violence the northern regional minister shani ala hassan shahid was said the development projects would include
00:08:47 roads, shifts, compounds, schools, markets among others
00:08:51 As you are aware the project is expected
00:08:56 to financial aid to financial investment in some projects types like feeder roads
00:09:03 small headlands, foothills
00:09:07 and social infrastructure
00:09:10 such as markets, schools
00:09:12 and complements of infrastructure
00:09:16 shifts, compounds, pharmacies
00:09:18 which impact directly on improving the lives of our people
00:09:24 Other investment areas are in ICT centers
00:09:29 the regional facilities such as astro-tech and PACS
00:09:34 information centers which are particularly targeted
00:09:38 by the restive
00:09:41 and vulnerable people
00:09:43 in these districts who are primarily of exuberance ideas
00:09:47 across the borders
00:09:50 The minister for local government decentralization and rural development
00:09:55 Dan Kwekuyebua on his past said the project should not just be on paper
00:10:01 But there should be a reflection on the ground
00:10:04 I'm sure many of you have said this
00:10:07 and that particular example is saying
00:10:09 that we are going to do this
00:10:11 this year
00:10:13 and then continue this year
00:10:15 with all this number of projects
00:10:19 So why do we say that
00:10:22 SOGO is a game changer?
00:10:25 Truly it is
00:10:27 But it's not going to be a game changer forever
00:10:29 If our attitude towards aid implementation
00:10:38 is not what is expected of us
00:10:40 You forget it
00:10:42 And that's why we write
00:10:44 a project where we are thesis for
00:10:46 master's for photography
00:10:48 analyze
00:10:50 the intervention of all such projects in the past 30-40 years
00:10:53 and it's impacting North Africa
00:10:55 I come out of a conclusion
00:10:57 Either we are not sincere to the people we are going to serve
00:11:00 Or many projects just pocketed their monies
00:11:07 And on top of that
00:11:09 with all these interventions
00:11:11 is that what we see in North Africa?
00:11:13 The senior technical advisor at the National Development Planning Commission, Nicholas Azazu, is worried that less than one-third of metropolitan, municipal and district assemblies in the country were able to either maintain or improve upon their internally generated funds in 2020. He says only 71 of the 261 MMDAs achieved this feat. There's more on that in this report by Martina Bugri.
00:11:43 A training brought together various senior officers from the assemblies to be trained on revenue mobilization
00:11:50 to help them have other sources of revenue for development projects
00:11:56 Senior technical advisor at the National Development Planning Commission
00:12:01 Nicholas Azazu said the assembly's revenue generation was good until COVID-19
00:12:07 which distracted their revenue collection
00:12:12 The growth from 2019 to 2020, which was 1.49%
00:12:17 has moved up
00:12:20 to 12.4%
00:12:22 meaning after the COVID-19
00:12:24 some or most of the assemblies are beginning to recover by improving their internally generated funds
00:12:33 So the workshop is again to be able to support the capacities of the assemblies
00:12:40 to sustain
00:12:41 the growth and if possible improve
00:12:44 And also to be resilient so that in the future if something similar to COVID happens
00:12:50 the assemblies can maintain their IGFs and still grow their IGFs so that they can provide the required services requested of them
00:13:00 The UNDP resident representative, Dr. Angela Lusigi
00:13:08 on her past said there was a wide gap between available financing and spending creating a shortfall
00:13:15 We all know that local authorities play an important role in the delivery of basic public services
00:13:23 But we also know that they face great challenges
00:13:26 For instance, there's a wide gap between available financial resources and spending means
00:13:32 particularly in the northern region
00:13:36 We looked at data from the composite budget for the 16 MMDAs in the northern region
00:13:40 And we noticed that by August 2022
00:13:43 They had achieved only 46%
00:13:46 of the budgeted revenue
00:13:49 And this means that there was a shortfall
00:13:51 of 54%
00:13:54 And over time
00:13:56 This gap is likely to widen because of a rise in demand for services due to urbanization
00:14:02 As well as the impact of frequent natural disasters caused by climate change
00:14:06 In our next story the Public Utilities and Regulatory Commission is undertaking a tariff education program in public universities
00:14:17 across the country. The initiative will educate students on the complexities of energy tariffs, pricing structures, and the importance of
00:14:26 responsible energy consumption
00:14:28 Executive secretary of the PURC Dr. Ishmael Aka says the move by the commission is to demystify
00:14:34 the tariff regime in the country
00:14:37 Energy tariffs are critical components of any nation's energy sector
00:14:43 as they directly influence consumer behavior and energy consumption patterns. In Ghana, like many other countries,
00:14:51 tariffs play a significant role in determining electricity and water prices
00:14:57 for domestic, commercial, and industrial consumers. The PURC's tariff education program seeks to demystify the
00:15:05 complexities surrounding tariff structures and empower students to make informed decisions regarding their energy usage
00:15:13 Dr. Ishmael Aka is the executive secretary of the PURC. We have three main reasons
00:15:19 The first one is to explain what we consider in determining the tariff. The second one is to encourage
00:15:26 consumers at least to use electricity efficiently
00:15:29 And the third one is to provide a platform for students to also ask questions, engage us, and provide recommendations and suggestions to us
00:15:38 So we came to Cape Coast Technical University today
00:15:42 One of the key things we mentioned was that we have two tariff windows at PURC
00:15:48 We have the major tariff and the quarterly adjustment
00:15:52 So for instance, we take their proposals during the major tariff
00:15:57 And we compare the figures in there with their own historical analysis. So we do what we call trend analysis
00:16:03 So last year they bought a transformer, let's say at two million
00:16:07 If this year they are making a proposal and they are telling us that the transformer will cost five million
00:16:12 We question them, we compare and do other things. We also compare the prices with regional
00:16:19 Similar utilities in the region across Africa so that at least we can have a very good price consumers
00:16:26 Who are not bedding consumers. And finally, we also go to the market to do a market survey so that we can compare the prices
00:16:34 Dr. Aka believes when students are empowered, Ghana's energy consumption space will be the better for it. So every quarter
00:16:41 What we do is that we compare what we forecasted for three years
00:16:46 Against what is happening in that quarter. So for instance, when we're doing the major tariff review
00:16:51 We said the exchange rate was five
00:16:54 CDs to one dollar
00:16:56 But maybe after a quarter it has moved to eight CDs to a dollar
00:17:00 What we do is that we compare what we used and take the difference and either add or subtract from the tariff
00:17:07 If we also said the exchange rate would be five
00:17:10 But it's now two then it means that the CD has gained so we have to also reduce the tariff
00:17:16 So we do these reviews to ensure that ECG, the transmission companies and the generating companies have enough to cover
00:17:24 Their costs of operating and their cost of maintenance and cost of investment
00:17:29 Some of the students shared their experiences with Joy News
00:17:32 Actually, I'm a procurement student. This program was so lovely. We were educated about how
00:17:39 Electricity and water system works and then how we can also measure the consumption rates
00:17:44 In our home. So it was so lovely
00:17:47 It was so lovely and then we really enjoyed it. We enjoyed the program so much.
00:17:51 They're organized for the procurement department
00:17:53 and this program
00:17:56 We like the program because we have learned a lot and we have learned how the Ghana
00:18:02 Water company and how the electricity how they operate things and I think nowadays you are going to understand
00:18:08 When they bring a new things on board, we really thank you people. I say God bless you and we are expecting more
00:18:13 Okay, this program has taught me a lot that I don't waste energy because I'm going to pay for it
00:18:20 I don't leave things on when I'm not using it. Example is leaving my TV on coming for lectures
00:18:26 So when I do all this i'm going to consume less and i'm going to pay for less
00:18:30 The PURC's initiative to educate the youth on energy tariffs is expected to yield several long-term
00:18:37 benefits for the nation
00:18:39 Reporting for Joy News, Richard Kujo-Nyakon
00:18:42 Now the librarian at the Kwame Nkrumah University of Science and Technology, Dr Samuel Nikoi
00:18:54 wants Ghanaian universities to cultivate an open learning practice culture to eliminate barriers that hinder effective teaching
00:19:03 and learning
00:19:04 Speaking at the second edition of the KNUSDE Learning Week under the theme
00:19:08 Education without Borders, Dr Nikoi observed divisions in the academic environment
00:19:14 He is optimistic though that the creation of digital learning groups will bridge the gap
00:19:19 Dr Nikoi further called for tailored learning support in addition to persons with learning disabilities
00:19:26 Secondly, I believe as a university we need to work towards building bridges across the various disconnected bubbles
00:19:33 within our academic space
00:19:35 Much of teaching and learning in KNUSDE is in silos
00:19:39 The silo of a department or a faculty or a college
00:19:43 We need to confront the value proposition of our practice and how it supports collaborative open learning
00:19:50 We have to create new models of teaching and learning that confront archaic mindsets that inhibit
00:19:57 interdisciplinary and cross-disciplinary teaching and learning
00:20:02 One way to address this problem is through the creation of digital learning design groups
00:20:07 Working together to reflect best pedagogical practice and bring vitality and relevance to our curriculum
00:20:15 We should work towards the development of a culture of open learning practice
00:20:19 Built around norms and standards that promote open learning communities
00:20:24 And move away from education delivery being mere trafficking of information and to knowledge creation
00:20:32 Thirdly, we must confront learning support for multiple modes of learning responsive to individual and group-based learning needs
00:20:39 As a university we need to establish and develop a technical support mechanism
00:20:44 Which ensures that every learner can be supported in their learning journey
00:20:49 KNUSDV's Chancellor Professor Rita Akosia-Dixon was happy with the university's commitment
00:20:56 To expanding access to quality education beyond graphical social and cultural constraints through e-learning
00:21:03 the theme
00:21:05 education without borders
00:21:07 encapsulates
00:21:09 the essence
00:21:10 of this
00:21:12 transformation
00:21:14 It indeed signifies our commitment
00:21:17 to expanding access to quality education beyond geographical
00:21:21 social and cultural
00:21:24 constraints
00:21:25 Through e-learning we have collectively
00:21:28 Shuttered the physical boundaries that once limited our reach
00:21:34 today
00:21:36 We are extending our reach to learners who may be in remote corners
00:21:42 of our nation or even
00:21:45 across
00:21:46 the globe
00:21:48 Director of KNUSDV e-learning center Professor Eric Apeu Asante
00:21:53 Announced some activities in this year's program including online learning festival professional development session in cyber security
00:22:00 technology mentoring session for shs
00:22:03 text matters among others
00:22:06 The week will be climaxed by awards to students and faculty who have excelled in the use of the KNUSDV learning management system
00:22:14 The program was in collaboration with the Indian High Commission
00:22:18 Israeli embassy Arizona State University MasterCard e-learning initiative and study x
00:22:25 And it's on that educational note that we cap off the news but stay with us right up next the news review we'll be back
00:22:33 So
00:23:00 Before you see me chaper like this on television a lot of work goes on in the back room
00:23:05 My director was just saying iris up iris up iris
00:23:08 It's amazing the people who make us look good. I always say that
00:23:13 We come and we take all the glory, but today I want to celebrate as we get into the news review. Yow Fawson
00:23:19 Director extraordinaire and my producer extraordinaire Derek Ekwesam. Is that Derek? No cry. Anyway, we'll
00:23:26 Delve into that some other day. There's Solomon
00:23:30 Who is here together with the rest of the crew some of the names?
00:23:32 I don't know and there's this gentleman with a huge beard. We all call him abogy
00:23:36 abogy
00:23:39 upon ohio
00:23:40 But he he ensures that the lighting is right so that dark as I am you can see me on uh TV
00:23:46 There's also linda also very dark to all the crew who make it happen on the show. I just want to salute you
00:23:51 God richly and bless you
00:23:54 All right, I bestow blessings as well onto the character the character a certain character who joins me in the studio a very good
00:24:02 Character out outside of here. We are always up to mischief but on here. We're of good behavior
00:24:08 The man samuel umbura all the way from the upper east region
00:24:13 When last were you in the upper east I was there in april. Yeah april
00:24:18 Okay, so may june july about three months ago. Yeah, how was the upper east?
00:24:23 Oh, everything is moving on. Well, it is a normal conversation about development health
00:24:28 Road infrastructure, you know the latest has to do with the one district one dam. I mean one village one down. Yeah
00:24:35 We've been there. Yeah, jojo was there with a team. I was in touch with them when they were there
00:24:40 They actually went to my district where they shot the first
00:24:43 Uh, which is that's bongo district bongo district
00:24:46 That's where they shot the fair documentary on the one district at one village one dam
00:24:50 And it's actually a nightmare for the people there. One would have thought that the policy
00:24:55 Could have helped in the way when it comes to dry season farming, you know, we have the unimodal
00:25:00 Rainfall pattern there. Yeah, the rain rains once in a year once in a year and that's it
00:25:05 You don't get the second rely on the um rain fed agriculture. So at least if you are able to bring this, um
00:25:12 One village one down policy the youth who normally troop down to the south to work during the time of them would stay exactly
00:25:19 And we have evidence to show those who farm along the white votes are on the boko stretch
00:25:23 Onion farms and all that they are able to fend for themselves and the family. So that is one of the major headaches that the people
00:25:30 Are calling on the government to go back and reconstruct at least cluster the dams
00:25:35 There are some villages that is just like a kilometer away and you have these down that have been so
00:25:41 They hear where they were situated
00:25:43 Some of the people were saying this will not work this will not work and truly
00:25:46 It did not work and because there are no sources of water sources to the the dams. They rely on the rain
00:25:52 So once it is in the dry season, these dams
00:25:57 would
00:25:58 dry up
00:25:59 something means then if you're a farmer, you must find a way of irrigating exactly whether it's your
00:26:04 Your maize or your groundnut or your sorghum or whatever and if you can't do that your crops will die exactly exactly
00:26:12 So wow, that's a major problem now. We're in the rainy season. So the farmers are relieved
00:26:17 They are farming but the the challenge has to do with the dry season
00:26:20 When that season comes, yeah
00:26:23 You know right before I acknowledge endpoint homeopathic clinic and then we get into the papers something interesting happened to me last night
00:26:29 Okay
00:26:30 I I was looking for this document, which I did not find anyway
00:26:34 But I stumbled upon some old pictures of me
00:26:38 As a little baby. Oh boy, and I was asking myself what happened in between because I was so rosy my cheeks my hair
00:26:45 You should have seen my fro. I see now today you see me and it's no testament to you know
00:26:50 What I looked like back then but then I fast forwarded and saw some pictures from
00:26:54 Secondary school. Okay at bishop herman
00:26:57 Way back in time. Okay, and I was looking like a feather that had
00:27:05 And then I fast forwarded to when I started work exactly in simple terms yamiya ab yeah god has done some
00:27:11 Because charlie, you know, sometimes those old pictures they humble you
00:27:17 They show you that you know, god held your hand
00:27:21 and
00:27:22 He has kept
00:27:24 Taking you in life step by step. I'm sure if we were all to do throwbacks here the way we go
00:27:31 When you started that story I just started thinking i'm always shocked like where I have where I am now
00:27:36 I never dreamed of coming to joy
00:27:38 it's just my grace I
00:27:40 So I I I look back and I feel refreshed. Thank you god for all that you've done for me
00:27:44 It's not a case. I'm special. It's not a case that i'm a different bit of a human being but it's just the grace of god
00:27:50 and every little
00:27:52 Achievement or every thing that you go through?
00:27:56 Should strengthen you. Yeah and give you that particular motivation that look there are brighter days ahead
00:28:01 someone will say that oh
00:28:03 And there's light at the end of the tunnel, but you need light in the middle of the tunnel to get to the end of the
00:28:07 tunnel, but
00:28:09 everything shall surely
00:28:10 Be in the right place at the opportune time
00:28:13 Inshallah, are you sure you've not been called to ministry?
00:28:17 Definitely because your sermon your homily was was maybe in the next 15 15 years. I should
00:28:24 Have been called to ministry
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00:28:57 Endpoint homeopathic clinic the end to chronic disease, but just the start of the news review
00:29:03 I have the daily graphic and the finder. What do you have?
00:29:05 So I have the daily guide the ganian publisher and the daily analyst. Okay, let's start with you
00:29:11 Yeah daily guide it comes with the picture. That's a big story there. John. Mahama dams
00:29:17 Hannahans for new vip we know very well that
00:29:19 There are speculations out there who partner john mahama ahead of the 2024 general elections. They are looking at the regional dynamics
00:29:26 John mahama represents the northern extraction in the ndc
00:29:30 J professor j. Nana opoku ajuman is from the central region. So you look at the the voting dynamics
00:29:37 Um, what did her region contribute in the previous elections? So with the same candidates are we secured?
00:29:44 Are we sure that we'll get the backing of the people from the central region?
00:29:48 What is the level of um, what's a political cloud in that region that she?
00:29:52 Command that attraction and all that so names like the former chief of staff. Uh, mr. Julius
00:29:58 I've come up sylvester mensah the former vice chancellor of the university of professional studies. I cry joshua alibi
00:30:06 Um former boss managing director kingsley kwame uwadaku former chief executive officer of the ghana national petroleum
00:30:13 I mean corporation alex coffee mold and former brown half original minister eric opoku who they say they enjoy the support of the wife of
00:30:21 john mahama
00:30:23 the former lady excellency lordina
00:30:25 Mahama, so these are the speculations out there so far as the
00:30:29 The run-up to the 2024 general election is concerned and who partners john mahama in the ndc is a matter of discussion here
00:30:37 parliament amends whistleblower
00:30:40 Before you go on on on that very point, what do you think because the good old professor
00:30:45 Uh, some say it it would be unfair the people of the central region have always voted askew if you like
00:30:52 They don't have a fixed pattern it swings. It swings
00:30:56 Look at the asin area, for example, and what has happened? Yes
00:31:00 Even before when it was just one constituency when kennedy or hane japon was member of parliament before it was split into uh, north central and south
00:31:09 With now as in north, you know having been contested a number of times
00:31:12 even there
00:31:15 It's it's not one party can't stake a claim to it. It's not like a bantama or any other place you get it
00:31:22 So it's it's pretty tricky this conversation. What do you think you are on our political desk? Do you feel?
00:31:28 It is a former president would change because yesterday listening to them at the the at a mills memorial
00:31:36 Lecture and all of that. She when prof spoke and you know, she was invited to speak. Yeah
00:31:41 She saluted, you know her boss and all of that. It felt almost as though this was a done deal. So I don't know but
00:31:48 I've always held a different position when it comes to the choice of the running mates
00:31:54 to join my hammer
00:31:56 Professor
00:31:57 Nana is a very fantastic material. She's an intellectual
00:32:01 But the question is is she a typical politician?
00:32:05 That's the question people ask was at a mills a typical politician. Yeah, so he's we could ask that. Yeah, we can ask that too
00:32:11 Was he a typical politician? No, he wasn't
00:32:15 All right. Let me advance my points
00:32:17 Now the the the regional or the trimark dynamics play a lot. So going into the elections
00:32:24 They'll be looking at fine the central region. We have presented someone
00:32:27 So if we go with a different person from a different region, let's say voter regional ashanti region
00:32:33 Then we we have not neglected the central region because we went with one candidate in 2020, but it didn't succeed
00:32:39 Now I I see to be like if they are waiting to inform general elections with professor
00:32:43 Maybe it is just to honor the late
00:32:47 president and you
00:32:50 let the people
00:32:51 Let's also from the central central region. Let the people of central region
00:32:54 Um, I mean have the feeling that they they have not neglected them. The party is not the
00:33:01 How do you because the central region has had its fair share from from aka
00:33:05 And the rollings aka vice president aka who infamously got slapped and all of that so to speak to
00:33:13 At a mills vice president and president
00:33:16 People say they have had
00:33:19 their fair share in terms of vice
00:33:21 vice
00:33:23 Officials or vice presidents and that in fact some are saying that to win over the ashanti region
00:33:29 Which seems to be leading you've heard even some prominent chiefs in the ashanti region go against the mpp
00:33:34 If they are going to win that region, they need to nominate someone from that part of the country exactly
00:33:39 So I think it'll be too early for the nbc to start looking for one
00:33:43 Maybe you have to wait for the npp to be done with the elections and that would inform them the type of running mate
00:33:49 They should take
00:33:50 Uh, but at the moment, you don't know who will lead the npp. Yeah, it is. Um, I mean anyone among the 10 can
00:33:57 Can can can win the election because politics?
00:33:59 Comes with surprises. Yeah, so anyone anything could happen can happen
00:34:04 So they have to wait see the outcome of the npp's flag bearer elections and that will inform them
00:34:09 The type of running mate they should take. All right
00:34:12 So let me move to the parliament where parliaments has amended the whistleblower contracts acts
00:34:16 It comes to the picture of the speaker of parliament abbas man bagman. We also have a decider bullying student arrested
00:34:23 Um, what do you think of that video though? I mean we've all were you in a boy school?
00:34:27 Uh, no, I went to big boys. It was a mixed school mixed school. I was in a boy's school
00:34:31 And yes bullying. Yes, there are some things that would but I feel this was extreme
00:34:35 This was this was not bullying. This was this was
00:34:38 This was wickedness. Yeah, I when when I I saw the guy, I mean strangling the
00:34:45 How do you strangle the colleague and then hitting the head against the metallic bed? I I cringed I was like I felt cool
00:34:53 I didn't know. Wow. Is this guy human?
00:34:55 And at my I decided to some some suggest he was high on something
00:35:00 I decided to analyze the video on the tactics that the guy used and realized the position. It's a chokehold
00:35:06 Yeah, so you realize that the guy is either
00:35:08 Someone who watches wrestling or he watches he practices
00:35:12 So it could also be that he's a martial artist or something which would make it worse parents should monitor
00:35:17 And that's why parents need to monitor the type of movies
00:35:20 Their children watch at home so that it wouldn't influence their mentality growing up because these are children still
00:35:25 At the developmental stage and anything that comes they may want to experiment it. We've all been through that stage before
00:35:31 Yeah
00:35:31 so it tells us about the mental aspect of it that we have not taken serious as a country and
00:35:36 It starts from not just from the secondary school. It starts from the the jss. I mean the junior high school
00:35:41 Sorry, if I said the housemaster, you know took a bit of flack on the back of this but some things, you know, really
00:35:49 They it behoves parents. Yeah, like you're saying sometimes we push the buck to the school, but
00:35:55 socialization a culturalization
00:35:58 um
00:35:59 It it it starts from the home. Yeah
00:36:01 Then the school plays its role then society plays its role
00:36:06 Sometimes if there's a gap in there somewhere some of these things happen and mostly when these children also witness violence at home
00:36:12 They extend it to others. They think it's normal
00:36:15 After all my parents they fight among themselves
00:36:17 So if I go to school and I do this to my colleague the person doesn't see that
00:36:23 Doesn't see that to be an infliction of pain. They don't consider the emotional
00:36:28 psychology of their colleagues and I think that's
00:36:31 Like some of the psychologists are suggesting mental health must be taken seriously so that we'll at least um
00:36:38 Conscientize our children or our wars to know what to do at what time and what not to do
00:36:44 Still on the front page of the daily guide bench warrant for christian divine christian divine church leaders marijuana smoking not legalized
00:36:52 That's from the speaker urban
00:36:54 Uh, man, but you know, it we are told it has been legalized for commercial purpose not for
00:36:59 individual
00:37:01 use so those are the stories making headlines on the front page of um,
00:37:05 The daily guide by the back page comes with the minister denying gfa player selection interference comes with most of our
00:37:11 Yusuf who is a minister for youth and sports mbappe rejects out the meeting
00:37:16 nigeria in shock win over
00:37:19 wwc host
00:37:21 There the next paper I have with me is the ganian publisher
00:37:26 You might as well dwell a bit on on on the okay. So the ganian publisher
00:37:32 Let's see what stories there are there. You can read some out. So it comes with a picture of the minister for um,
00:37:37 Lance and natural resources honorable samuel
00:37:39 Um abujon appal. It says lance ministry denies granting lithium excess and license
00:37:45 A 20 million euro tamale wastewater treatment plant integrated. It says it's on page two of the ganian publisher
00:37:53 Uh digitization reshaping ghana according to the vice president. Dr. Mahmood barmy. He has been talking extensively about how mr
00:38:00 Digital he had been able to use
00:38:02 Uh the digital platforms to migrate the economy and then they are some of the institutions are able to monitor
00:38:08 Their exercises or their activities through the digital platforms and you know, he has been an advocacy of
00:38:14 uh the digital system, but I I I remember one
00:38:18 Prof doctor in technology granted us an interview on africa connect
00:38:23 Then he was talking about the fact that the digitalization drive started way back in their champion regime
00:38:29 Some of them championed it again, but we cannot say that this administration
00:38:32 Started with yeah digitization
00:38:35 if the current administration continues it does a I mean a good a good point there for us to
00:38:42 Continue because we can't continue with the the manual system because right we need to upgrade as a country
00:38:48 I think recently was it the births and deaths registry? No
00:38:51 I think it was the registrar generals or something of the sort
00:38:55 One of those institutions where they had some some data from the 19th century
00:39:01 not digit
00:39:03 Digitized if you like and and that is that is a huge problem
00:39:06 But but right before you go on let me just acknowledge determine helen bar. You say good morning. I am watching from liberia
00:39:13 Wow, thank you for connecting from every now and then we get viewers from nigeria liberia gabon gambia and the rest. So welcome
00:39:21 Thank you so much. Um
00:39:23 Helen bar for doing the watching
00:39:25 Other other stories you'd like to get into. All right. So, uh, I want you to have to exhaust your story
00:39:30 Yeah, so the daily analyst we have um the same story if not legalized we for recreational purposes speaker clarifies
00:39:37 exploitation of lithium government denies granting licenses to
00:39:41 Companies comes with a picture of some abu jinnah pope gala. I'm serious destroying vast cocoa farmlands
00:39:46 At attack room it comes with a picture of mr. George
00:39:52 Ebisa ebisa quesi an assembly member for that area the national development conference
00:39:58 Digitalization helping to reshape ghana's moral fiber that's coming from the vice president. Dr. Mahmoud balmiya
00:40:07 yoko chases
00:40:09 uh lebanese over alleged
00:40:11 shady
00:40:13 Builder comes with a picture of this man. I wouldn't want to attempt to mention in the name
00:40:17 What's the name? There is a name. It's not a french name though
00:40:21 Kishore or is it kishore? Kishore and and and the second one, uh
00:40:26 Gurmukhtas
00:40:30 Anyway, all right, so let me get into the papers I have the daily graphic uh newspaper this morning
00:40:40 education ministry reverses decision on
00:40:43 Adesadel student, you know the other student as well the victim the victim I feel was victimized even further by being I mean
00:40:50 How do you say that he who has suffered this should also simply because he didn't report it or something of the sort?
00:40:56 But education ministry reverses decision on adesadel student goyle graphic pledge to promote national interest
00:41:02 controversy over two fishes death at sea
00:41:06 And you know, sometimes they go at you know go to sea and there are so many things that happen including
00:41:12 Coming face to face sometimes with illegal fishes
00:41:16 Some of these people from different jurisdictions and of course, I cannot fail to mention i'm not stereotyping but the chinese
00:41:22 and sometimes getting into our waters and because we do not have the sort of
00:41:27 Logistics and human resource that maybe the united states and other developed countries have to patrol their borders
00:41:34 There's a lot going on that we don't get to see and our fish stock keeps depleting, you know
00:41:39 So who knows what happened i'll get into that story speaker clears air on we law
00:41:45 You
00:41:47 You go and smoke yes, so
00:41:52 Anyway, so that's that's it on the back page
00:41:56 combating depleting ozone layer epa to certify refrigeration technicians
00:42:01 now this is also a very important matter and three communities in amman cwest get mining concessions, but
00:42:06 the story about the fisher
00:42:10 The fishermen two fishermen from temma died at sea in the early hours of yesterday
00:42:14 Sparking a fury between fishes and port authorities over what caused their death
00:42:20 Now the fishers mostly from temma. That is new town claimed
00:42:24 The two were part of 12 members who were on a ritual homo fishing expedition when a patrol boat from the ghana ports and harbors
00:42:31 Authority rammed into their canoe at the temma port anchorage causing it to capsize
00:42:38 But the gpaj denied that assertion saying no such incident had happened at sea the canoe
00:42:44 uh
00:42:46 Adessa now
00:42:48 Oh, hey tree. Hey
00:42:50 That's the name of the canoe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
00:42:52 The fishing vessel belonging to the chinese
00:42:55 No, no, no, no, no the fisher for the local fisher folk
00:42:59 This is a canoe. Yeah, uh-huh
00:43:02 Which translates man?
00:43:05 Be patient. Uh-huh. Not tree. Not tree. Uh-huh
00:43:08 Adessa no hit tree. Okay, my down will come bit by bit
00:43:12 Was carrying 12 fishermen who were on a homo ritual fishing expedition with the backing of the temma traditional council the fishermen said
00:43:19 They were hauling their nets within the anchorage when they were rammed by the patrol boat that was at the scene to drive them away
00:43:26 Wow, wow now the deceased have been identified as francis tetelabi 27 and samuel aqua
00:43:32 Alot 45 both residents of temma newtown like you between i read finished by this one in kraino
00:43:39 But that's that's that's a sad development
00:43:42 That's a really sad development. They went out to fish. I mean at sea
00:43:45 one of the issues i've always of them
00:43:48 has to do with the lack of safety at the the seas where these fishermen go to
00:43:54 Fish I was in a saudi
00:43:57 And from you know from a number society are going to germany
00:44:02 And connecting to you know, germany is one of the biggest markets in the country here fish
00:44:08 They sell fish there and all man of full staff when I got there. Interestingly. I saw younger
00:44:14 I mean children as well as 18 years they were on their bows
00:44:19 And then they were I mean they didn't see anything wrong and they were getting into a deeper part of the the
00:44:24 Would I say the lake?
00:44:26 Because it connects to sea as well and I was like is the case that
00:44:29 Because they feel like we've lived in the fishing community for long. We have that expertise. We have that swimming experience, right?
00:44:35 So we don't need any you don't play those games with with water bodies. Exactly. You don't they don't have the
00:44:40 The let's say emergency kits there. So in case there is anything do you have a life jacket to help?
00:44:45 Do you have something to resuscitate the person when a person gets drowned and then the person is weak or you rescue the person?
00:44:51 From the sea and I think more education should go to our fishing
00:44:56 Communities you shouldn't assume that because I know how to swim
00:45:00 I've been on this river or this water body for a very long time even no matter how the tides are
00:45:06 I I mean are very strong I can go through and it's actually a worrying situation there that I think we have to take serious
00:45:14 interest in
00:45:16 averting in a possible calamity
00:45:18 Well most definitely let me also acknowledge
00:45:23 We have a viewer who watches the show practically every morning a very prominent one. I know usually he would like to
00:45:30 Not be mentioned, but today there's nothing not to mention about him professor. Uh, john japong former
00:45:36 uh, is it vice chancellor at
00:45:39 uhas
00:45:41 You know on the back of how we started talking reflecting on life and everything
00:45:44 He sent me this image that says your life is someone's dream. So don't be ungrateful
00:45:51 Your life no matter how bad it is. It doesn't mean someone else must be worse
00:45:54 But sometimes you just look around you and you see that charlie my own self good. Oh, yeah, we are the halibut
00:46:00 Grateful be thankful the miracle of sleeping and waking is enough
00:46:05 Prof we're grateful for your words of wisdom that you've shared with us this morning. God bless you, sir
00:46:10 You know, sometimes you feel like giving up but you look at the people who look up to you
00:46:13 So if I give up look at the number of dreams what happens to them exactly
00:46:16 So you have to continue pushing no matter the the challenges that you find yourself. Yeah, very important
00:46:22 Let's let's just take a sneak peek at that story on weed or weed or marijuana
00:46:28 um, so
00:46:30 The speaker of parliament alban sumana kingsford bagman has emphasized
00:46:34 That the recent legislation on the use of cannabis did not endorse the recreational use or smoking of the drug
00:46:40 He says we must dispel any misinterpretation of the new acts
00:46:44 The provision is designed to strike a prudent balance between the harnessing of the drug for industrial and medicinal use of not more than
00:46:49 0.3 which by the way if you used that
00:46:52 It would not have any effect on you. And that's the whole point that is
00:46:57 tetrahydrocannabinol
00:46:59 THC content while maintaining a robust control of narcotics to ensure the safety and well-being of our society
00:47:11 Don't come and say that oh, why are you guys arresting me npp announces date for nomination of proxy, uh voters
00:47:19 And uh, that will be not later than august the 2nd 2023
00:47:23 Uh, so it says the new patriotic party has urged all delegates who intend to nominate a proxy for the presidential special electoral college election
00:47:31 So submit the particulars of their proxy to the secretary of the elections committee not later than august 2
00:47:38 2023 there's also a chief justice declines removal of attofossen trial judge the chief justice justice gertrude araba
00:47:45 Isaba
00:47:46 Saki tokono has declined a request to remove the judge presiding over the case in which minority leader and former deputy minister of finance
00:47:53 Kassel attofossen and two others have been accused of allegedly causing 2.37 million euros
00:47:57 financial loss to the state in an ambulance deal but speaking of euros
00:48:01 Ali
00:48:05 We'll get cash for this country
00:48:07 This thing you want to talk about we go your house right now. How much you go find?
00:48:10 20 pesos
00:48:13 20 pesos
00:48:15 And empty that the member of parliament for japa was on my show was it yesterday or two days ago?
00:48:18 Okay, and he said two days ago, I think you wouldn't even find a thousand cds there
00:48:23 Not in his accounts like hey, bro
00:48:27 A 1 million dollars, you know today, yeah
00:48:30 I'll be sharing my bland thoughts and i'll also as part of it
00:48:34 Okay, i'll be sharing with you and all of ghana and the whole world
00:48:37 How much just how much you can do with 1 million dollars it would amaze you if you look at the allocations to some sectors
00:48:44 Yeah
00:48:46 Actually 1 million dollars is a huge deal 1 million dollars could fill this entire it can construct a better dam
00:48:53 So i've titled my blunt thoughts for today
00:48:56 bare-faced
00:48:58 thievery
00:48:59 Don't don't judge it yet. Listen to me and you will understand
00:49:03 bare-faced thievery
00:49:05 Brazen arrogance and the crisis of leadership the beginning of the end you want to stay with me for that
00:49:12 After prime take but um the final newspaper this morning nla engaging finance ministry gra over 10 lotto tax
00:49:20 Charlie like we around this time you wait
00:49:22 I thought they are implementary, you know last year or so
00:49:25 They said they wanted to extend the taxes to the gaming
00:49:29 Side those who use force betting and all that. So at least
00:49:32 When you win the 10 will be deducted from source
00:49:36 I I didn't know that they were still in engagement
00:49:38 Yeah, it appears it actually created some reactions from young people who think that or who say that? Oh, um, you we you don't
00:49:45 Give us money to go and do these activities. It's our own money. We are invested. They see like it's more or less. Yeah
00:49:50 So why would we want to?
00:49:52 When you're not part of the investment, but that's that's what it is
00:49:56 Access bank pledges support for Ghana's pharmaceutical industry. There's alan for president campaign postpones planned ashanti regional
00:50:03 Durbis, there's also this one that particular that particular. Um story
00:50:07 Was to start today and end on the 2nd of august. However, you know, we understand they'll be presenting the budget the mid-year budget review
00:50:14 The his team explained that because he wants to lead the country
00:50:18 They have much interest in parliamentary and government business and now that she wants to hear the direction of the imf
00:50:24 So that they can be well informed and then get to talk to their people one of the reasons they are postponing it
00:50:30 Okay, thanks for the scoop. Akosha menu promises development more jobs for adenta and uh, it's interesting how she's going about her campaign
00:50:37 Let's see how it goes. I am happy that young people though more and more young people are getting into politics just to wrap tracking devices
00:50:44 Fixed on 68 excavators for pilot phase of electronic monitoring of excavators. Will this solve the problem?
00:50:52 tire man
00:50:54 Anyway, and then 9.24 million hiv positive persons not on treatment due to stigma
00:51:01 I thought this thing was a thing of the past in a way because you remember back then they said that
00:51:05 Even if you taxed them or something, but we've come so far look at magic johnson
00:51:09 I always go back to him and how well he has lived getting the virus sometime in the you know
00:51:15 You know stigma kills more than the disease itself. No, sometimes what society thinks about it
00:51:20 The way what kills you is the fact that you realize what other people?
00:51:24 Or you think contemplate what other people will think about you that kills people even faster than the disease itself
00:51:30 Anyway, this one comes through from fortress is the guy you say good morning. Joy news. Good morning to you and your co-host
00:51:36 Is what's bg from alberta?
00:51:39 Canada, okay
00:51:41 Thank you for watching us all the way from alberta in canada a very happy birthday to you today is your birthday
00:51:47 Anna, na amanua ankra. I call you anna
00:51:50 You're a very special person. I wish you the best of today as you hit that new milestone
00:51:57 God bless and keep you. You're a wonderful person. You take care and have a super day
00:52:03 Is there anything else you have to say right before we go? Oh, no, our time is up
00:52:07 Yeah, um, I just like to say a very good morning to one of my friends in the u.s
00:52:10 Yes, subukasin
00:52:12 Those of us with friends in the u.s
00:52:15 Yeah, and his wife and the little girl. Dr. Kondi. I said very good morning to them
00:52:19 He has been a very good friend brother since his time as a regional chairman for the ganja journalists association in kumasi
00:52:25 Okay, you know I worked briefly in kumasi before I left for the upper east you where have you not worked?
00:52:29 Where have you not worked in this country?
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00:53:03 Sits with the over to you man. We all know him. Joe lati that is up next on the show
00:53:10 So
00:53:36 Your lati my guest here on prime tick, thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much. I feel honored highly honored
00:53:43 for you
00:53:45 To have you to have me in mind
00:53:47 towards the end of my life
00:53:51 Right now i'm 96
00:53:53 And for you to be thinking of a 96 year old man
00:53:57 And then pack your your camera another
00:54:00 At a cotrubenson
00:54:03 Come to talk to me
00:54:05 Is great
00:54:06 Thank you. You're not you're not getting to the latter part of your life. In fact, you have many more years to live
00:54:11 You have got many more years to live. We need to tap on the knowledge that you've got and uh,
00:54:17 You'll live for many more years. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for wishing me good. Thank you. Thank you very much. So
00:54:24 um
00:54:26 What was your genesis like?
00:54:28 Your upbringing, uh, the upbringing was rather strict
00:54:33 Very strict my dad
00:54:35 my mother
00:54:37 Were all leaders of the Methodist church
00:54:40 at Kuala Lumpur
00:54:42 They played a major role
00:54:45 In the establishment of a Mount Zion church of today
00:54:48 And my dad
00:54:51 As well as my mother. They were very strict
00:54:54 So strict that I had an english friend
00:54:58 Who nicknamed?
00:55:01 my dad
00:55:03 as kill joy father
00:55:05 Kill joy because I wasn't allowed to do many things
00:55:09 I wasn't allowed to go to cinema
00:55:12 I wasn't allowed to do sports
00:55:14 I wasn't allowed to practice music
00:55:17 I remember very well
00:55:20 that my brother-in-law
00:55:22 Brother-in-law who married my sister
00:55:26 had
00:55:28 an organ in his house
00:55:31 And he decided to teach me to play the organ
00:55:33 And I went to the play to his house one night
00:55:37 To learn to play the organ when I came back
00:55:40 My dad gave me a good hiding
00:55:44 I was sick for about two weeks
00:55:46 Yeah
00:55:48 And you know
00:55:50 It made me very sad then I gave up. I gave up the organ
00:55:54 then
00:55:55 at school
00:55:57 government school nakra
00:56:00 I joined the school band
00:56:02 And I was playing the side drum
00:56:04 So I was playing the side drum on the day
00:56:08 the then asanti he
00:56:11 visited akra
00:56:13 And my dad
00:56:15 Was with an uncle of mine on top of what we call abba
00:56:19 AMA today. They are AMA. They were up there and they were watching the scene
00:56:24 And I came along playing the side drum with a band
00:56:29 And my father saw me
00:56:31 The next day he went to a krakow middle school where I was attending
00:56:35 Went to the headmaster
00:56:38 HM grant was the name
00:56:40 And told him to get me out of the band
00:56:42 And I was cashiered from the band immediately
00:56:46 And stopped playing
00:56:48 So many things
00:56:50 I wanted to play the mandolin mandolin
00:56:52 I brought a mandolin to the house. The old man saw it
00:56:56 He took it and broke it up
00:56:59 Then the owner came
00:57:00 The owner came demanding the band
00:57:02 Mandolin and he paid for it
00:57:05 And that was the end of my mandolin course
00:57:08 You know, very interesting
00:57:10 very strict
00:57:12 seven o'clock
00:57:14 The the gate
00:57:16 To the house was locked with a big padlock. Nobody went out. Nobody came in
00:57:20 You know and I
00:57:23 I wasn't allowed to have friends
00:57:26 I didn't have friends, but the few friends that I had
00:57:29 My dad would always order six
00:57:34 uniforms for school
00:57:37 six
00:57:39 And I used to give them to my friends give some of them to my friends over the wall. I threw it over
00:57:45 So
00:57:48 The childhood was pretty tough
00:57:50 Very tough
00:57:52 Very tough. And it led in some way to my joining the British Navy at the age of 16
00:57:58 Oh, really? Yeah, I did
00:58:01 I joined the British Navy at the age of 16
00:58:03 Went to war
00:58:06 I'm an ex-service man
00:58:08 and when
00:58:10 They were banned, let me say we because I was part of it
00:58:14 We marched to Lecastre
00:58:17 The 28th February incident. Yeah, I was part of it
00:58:22 I was in my naval uniform
00:58:24 Small boy, my grandmother said don't go you don't go and I went
00:58:30 When the shooting took place and we ran back and I was trying to get back to the house
00:58:35 My grandmother said you should open the gate for me
00:58:38 Interesting
00:58:42 Really? Yeah
00:58:44 I'm an ex-service man. I had my medals
00:58:46 And I can tell you the story of my medals
00:58:50 I had a classmate
00:58:52 From Accra Government Boys School
00:58:55 When I was I was
00:58:59 transferred to teach at Latte
00:59:01 And I was at Latte teaching
00:59:04 And this friend of mine came
00:59:06 to find out whether
00:59:08 I could get him a job. I could get him into
00:59:11 You know something to do
00:59:14 A day came
00:59:16 I left the house and went to school by the time I got back. He had stolen everything of mine
00:59:21 my medals
00:59:24 my
00:59:25 discharge certificate
00:59:27 Everything and we went with it to Corfu, India
00:59:29 They got him
00:59:32 The police managed to get him
00:59:34 But they forgot to ask him
00:59:38 about the things that he stole
00:59:41 So I lost all that, you know
00:59:44 And he came. He was sent to prison in Akrupung
00:59:47 And funny enough the day
00:59:50 He was discharged and was going back to Accra. He was standing by the roadside waiting for
00:59:56 a car
00:59:59 And I was in the main truck
01:00:03 Leaving Latte for Accra and I saw him
01:00:06 Interestingly, I was very sad
01:00:09 He's dead long ago, you know
01:00:12 He's part of the adventures
01:00:15 Were you the first child of your parents? I was the first child of the two of them
01:00:21 But my father had some other children before he took my mother
01:00:27 Okay, so he
01:00:30 Was he in the military? Why was he so strict?
01:00:34 My father was a civil servant
01:00:38 A civil servant in the treasury department. Yeah
01:00:42 He served in Cape Coast
01:00:44 Served in Tamale
01:00:47 You know before he retired at the age of 54
01:00:49 In those days, we were retiring at that age.
01:00:54 Okay, so tell me do you have other siblings?
01:00:58 Yes, I have a number of siblings. That is an aspect of my life which will appear
01:01:04 in the memoir
01:01:07 I won't tell you. Oh, you're writing a memoir? I'm writing a memoir. Oh, wow
01:01:11 You know my life without a memoir would be like Shakespeare without Bound Pairs
01:01:16 But how many siblings do you have?
01:01:20 Siblings? Yeah
01:01:22 Right now I have two
01:01:24 Okay
01:01:26 a lady and a gentleman
01:01:29 How was it like with your siblings growing up?
01:01:32 Well
01:01:35 in actual fact
01:01:37 when my
01:01:39 father married my mother
01:01:41 They had me and a second one
01:01:45 called Nate
01:01:47 And he died at the age of seven. Oh
01:01:50 So I was left alone
01:01:53 And because I was the only one between the two of them
01:01:58 That was one of the reasons why they were so strict
01:02:02 They wanted to ensure that I survived
01:02:06 And I think they were right
01:02:09 Here am I, 96
01:02:11 I've survived
01:02:13 My father died at 84
01:02:15 And I have lived up to 96. My mother died at 91
01:02:19 91 my mother died
01:02:22 And I buried my mother. I buried my mother with the help of other siblings
01:02:27 You know
01:02:29 My mother also had one or two children before
01:02:32 She met my dad. Okay
01:02:34 And I have a big picture of the two of them. Yeah, I've seen it. Yeah
01:02:39 I've seen it here. So
01:02:42 So tell me
01:02:44 How were you able to get yourself into the navy?
01:02:46 Despite how strict your father was? Oh, yeah, I ran away. I bolted
01:02:51 That's a way to use. I bolted from the house for my family
01:02:57 and
01:02:59 I worked it all out with friends
01:03:01 I went at that time during the war
01:03:04 The British navy
01:03:08 Was recruiting some Ghanaians at Takradi. I think they still have a base there
01:03:14 You know Takradi base
01:03:17 So we are raised
01:03:19 I was only 16
01:03:21 So we had to fortify my age
01:03:23 You know so that I could get into the navy
01:03:26 By the time they knew
01:03:28 I wasn't the correct. I didn't give them the correct age. It was too late. I had
01:03:33 I had taken the oath
01:03:35 And therefore they couldn't get me out
01:03:38 So I continued until the end of the war
01:03:42 Which war was that?
01:03:45 The second world war. The second world war. Yeah, the Hitler war. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but what age did you give them?
01:03:51 You were 16. What age did you give them? 23
01:03:56 So you added seven years your age. And I had to brush my hair
01:04:00 Backwards to make me look old and funny things we did. Funny things
01:04:06 That's quite an interesting one, but at what point did you switch
01:04:12 into
01:04:14 sports because many of us know you for
01:04:16 Your broadcasting career. My dad did not allow me to do sports
01:04:21 He didn't allow me when I did sports
01:04:25 And when I started doing commentary
01:04:27 on
01:04:29 GBC, he sent for me
01:04:31 and he said
01:04:33 Who taught you to play football?
01:04:35 I played I learned to play football partly in the navy
01:04:39 When I came out and I went into teaching
01:04:42 I was also playing football, doing sports
01:04:45 You know, so, you know
01:04:47 He was disappointed
01:04:49 So when you came back from the navy, did you go back to the house?
01:04:53 Because you both had to go to the navy. Did you go back home? Yes, I both did but I went to I went to my dad
01:04:59 was streaking
01:05:02 He was
01:05:03 You know
01:05:05 emaciated
01:05:07 I came he had a big towel around his waist
01:05:09 And we we embraced each other
01:05:13 He held me
01:05:15 and he said
01:05:17 He looked at me. I was in my naval uniform
01:05:19 and he said
01:05:22 And I quote said I did not know
01:05:24 That the navy could make boys out of could make men out of boys
01:05:30 unquote
01:05:33 And then we shook hands and I started telling him the story some of the
01:05:37 Things that I had done in the navy. I was like it was a memorable occasion. I've never forgotten it
01:05:43 So this one when you came back, he didn't fight you? No, he didn't fight me. He was happy. I was back
01:05:47 Very happy. You don't know the things they did for me
01:05:51 Through a party and so on. Oh, wow. Yeah
01:05:54 because
01:05:56 It wasn't it wasn't a joke. The boy has the boy became a man. Oh, yeah
01:06:00 You know the prodigal son. Yeah
01:06:03 But but at a navy
01:06:08 What was life at the navy like? Life in the navy life in the navy was interesting
01:06:18 Interesting. We were knocked out of our beds
01:06:20 Early in the morning around 5 30
01:06:23 And then we started doing all the necessary things
01:06:26 we had we have a
01:06:29 I don't know. It's no longer that i'm sure we but we had a base
01:06:34 in free town
01:06:37 The training center was called king tom
01:06:40 King tom barracks that was where we trained
01:06:44 And then after training in king tom, you were drafted to another barracks called kisi
01:06:50 Kisi barracks that's just as a
01:06:53 It's a shore base
01:06:57 and there you had all the ships and the
01:06:59 Other things that all the arrangements were there, you know
01:07:03 so
01:07:05 When you were recruited or when you were recruited in those days
01:07:08 in Takradi
01:07:11 Then they shipped
01:07:12 They transferred you to free town to do the training
01:07:16 Then after the training they will be drafting you to that ship this ship and so
01:07:21 You know, okay. It was very interesting
01:07:24 When when you're drafted into a ship
01:07:28 Maybe a big ship
01:07:32 And these were not merchant ships. They were warships
01:07:36 We had corvettes we had destroyers we had
01:07:42 Submarines and you know, and we had a big ship in free town called philokites
01:07:48 Philokites was a supply ship
01:07:52 Yeah, that was I was in the supply department. Okay
01:07:56 So we're working
01:07:58 I was getting things from philokites to the shore to other ships and so
01:08:03 You know very interesting. They were very careful about our health
01:08:11 If you went to town and and picked up a disease
01:08:14 You were you were catched straight away. I was discharged
01:08:18 So it was it was interesting
01:08:22 We attended church services
01:08:25 They didn't play with that. We attended church services on board
01:08:29 At shore we were attending
01:08:32 church services
01:08:34 We had parades
01:08:36 and the navy
01:08:38 What I liked about the navy
01:08:40 They made sure that you had everything that you could give in this in the course of your service
01:08:47 your shoes your clothing your caps your
01:08:51 Everything everything your raincoat you had a raincoat for warm weather raincoat
01:08:57 For for cold weather for cold weather. And so when there was a parade
01:09:03 When we had a parade
01:09:07 There was no way you could say you you couldn't attend
01:09:11 You dare not
01:09:13 You know
01:09:14 And like I had in mind the the training and and the discipline the daily was superior to what I had
01:09:21 at home
01:09:23 You know
01:09:24 So while others were complaining about the the devil discipline. Yeah, I was taking it easy because because I've been
01:09:30 I've been prepared for it
01:09:34 Convergently. Yes. Yes. The old man didn't know he was preparing me for the day. For the navy. He didn't know that but tell me about the world war two that you
01:09:41 said you were a part of because
01:09:44 Christian
01:09:45 a young man
01:09:47 with strict parents
01:09:49 All of a sudden
01:09:50 In the navy, then there was the world war one. How was it like? Well, I went into the navy because there was a world war one
01:09:57 I went into the navy because
01:10:01 Because there was war
01:10:03 If there wasn't war at the time, I couldn't have gone into the navy. So you went into the war?
01:10:08 I was an I was an acro academy
01:10:11 Doing my secondary school
01:10:15 Course, okay, and I ran away from the secondary school acro academy and joined the navy
01:10:21 You know and I joined the navy because there was war and they were recruiting
01:10:26 What they did was they wanted
01:10:28 Africans who could stand the weather, okay the tropical weather
01:10:33 That's why they recruited some of us here
01:10:36 So immediately the war ended we were discharged. Oh, okay
01:10:40 Yeah, so after the war
01:10:43 We were discharged. Yeah, that's right. I came back. That's why I came home. Okay, and then went to report to my dad
01:10:50 and then he was
01:10:53 Grieved
01:10:54 But he was happy to see me back. Yeah, you know
01:10:57 He will always be happy but you said
01:11:03 Despite the strictness of your parents
01:11:05 For you not to do sports for you not to do music. You still got into sports. What sort of sport did you do?
01:11:10 Poor football. I was a very poor footballer
01:11:13 When I
01:11:17 Trained I went to do my teacher
01:11:19 teacher training at Winneba
01:11:22 The Winneba Trading College. It was then brand new fresh
01:11:27 We were the first intake. The pioneers of that. Yeah pioneers of us and that
01:11:33 And
01:11:35 During the period in the training school, we were playing football we were doing sports
01:11:40 Because as a teacher you should know sports you're going to teach children
01:11:45 You know, so I would have the freedom from your parents to participate in sports. Oh, I mean
01:11:50 Then I was a man you were not a man that's right. So my parents didn't come into the picture
01:11:56 Yeah, I see, you know, I see I had you know after the war
01:12:01 after the
01:12:03 Second world war
01:12:06 When those of us who were discharged
01:12:09 both from the navy the
01:12:12 the army and the air force
01:12:15 We had to be giving jobs
01:12:17 In civil streets. Oh, okay. That is at home
01:12:19 And the jobs were not there
01:12:23 And that was why we organized a march
01:12:27 to the Usu castle
01:12:30 To tell the governor that we needed jobs
01:12:32 We held a rally
01:12:36 at the Palladium
01:12:37 Cinema house
01:12:39 You know the Palladium very near the Methodist Cathedral. That's right
01:12:42 We met there
01:12:45 And from there we started the march to the castle
01:12:48 Now when we got to the crossroads, there was this man Emery
01:12:52 And a white man
01:12:54 He was in charge of a platoon
01:12:57 of general policemen
01:13:00 To stop to stop us going to the castle
01:13:02 And he ordered them to shoot
01:13:05 But he refused to
01:13:08 So he took the rifle from one of them and shot Agete and the rest
01:13:13 so from that point we
01:13:16 Started running back to Accra
01:13:18 And it was something you it was something that you should see
01:13:22 not described
01:13:24 Wow. Yeah
01:13:26 I'll give you the details in my in my memo
01:13:28 [Laughter]
01:13:30 But that might have been some scary experience, isn't it? Oh, yeah, it was a scary week. That was when the looting started
01:13:36 There was looting
01:13:39 Shooting. Okay, and the looting went on for weeks
01:13:43 So they brought troops from Nigeria
01:13:47 to
01:13:49 Law and everything broke down in Accra in Ghana
01:13:53 So they brought troops from Nigeria
01:13:57 To control us in Ghana
01:14:00 It was interesting and these chaps came they robbed our people. They were searching
01:14:06 Houses and so on. They robbed our
01:14:08 families before they went away
01:14:11 There was rumor
01:14:14 that on their way back they drowned in the
01:14:16 Volta River. It's a story that I never
01:14:20 I never
01:14:22 Confirmed. Yeah, okay. Okay
01:14:24 That's that's quite an interesting one
01:14:27 But now let's let's move to your your professional career. That's right. I think we we heard
01:14:32 A lot about your journalism career. Yeah, how did it start? Well
01:14:36 It started like most people
01:14:39 You start writing a little bit on your own
01:14:42 Maybe writing to the newspapers
01:14:45 in our time
01:14:47 in in the days that
01:14:49 We had
01:14:51 Aziki Way who became
01:14:53 a president in America
01:14:57 Nnamdi Aziki Way. He was in Ghana. Oh, really? And and and he was one of the people one of them
01:15:03 Is the former Nigerian leader? Oh, yes
01:15:05 He was here
01:15:08 And he was one of the people who opened the eyes of the Ghanaian youth
01:15:13 to independence
01:15:16 They started
01:15:18 clamoring for you know this and that during during his time here
01:15:22 So the British government in Ghana
01:15:26 Cashiered him. They sent him out of Ghana. They
01:15:28 They took him to court
01:15:31 charged him with
01:15:33 they gave him a
01:15:34 charge of
01:15:36 Sedition or something and and they deported from they deported him from Ghana
01:15:40 and my eldest brother
01:15:43 He was interested in Aziki Way. He was one of the
01:15:47 apostles of Aziki Way
01:15:50 You know and from that
01:15:51 Association I learned a lot from my eldest brother
01:15:56 G.E. Ancra
01:15:58 You know
01:16:00 So Aziki Way left Ghana
01:16:02 And after he left
01:16:04 Things started taking
01:16:06 We had newspapers
01:16:07 He was he was in charge of one of the newspapers and I think it was the Morning Post
01:16:12 Okay, you know
01:16:14 He was editing and his editor his editorials were stinking
01:16:18 He was
01:16:20 you know
01:16:22 Bamboozling the British colonial system
01:16:25 And they didn't like him
01:16:28 So I think they managed to get him out. He left Ghana and people were sorry
01:16:33 You know, so from there I started having ideas about
01:16:39 journalism
01:16:41 how to write
01:16:42 and my eldest brother
01:16:44 Gave me a little bit of tuition allowed me to read
01:16:49 Read and read and when we were when I was in the Navy
01:16:52 What interesting when I was in the Navy
01:16:55 We were running shifts
01:16:58 On the ship we ran shifts
01:17:00 morning shift
01:17:02 afternoon shift night shift and so
01:17:04 and during our free time
01:17:08 When we weren't on duty we practiced
01:17:11 public speaking
01:17:14 So we wrote topics on pieces of paper
01:17:17 Folded them put them into a hat and then you picked when you picked a subject then you had to speak on it
01:17:25 That was the beginning of my interest in public speaking
01:17:28 And when I came I was discharged. There was a shop in Accra
01:17:33 Luthor Street. Yes. There was a bookshop there. That was where I bought my first
01:17:39 public speaking book
01:17:41 Called public speaking and influencing men in business
01:17:44 That's the title of the book
01:17:47 You know
01:17:48 So it developed. There's one
01:17:51 Interesting. From one thing to the other. Yeah
01:17:55 So I learned to do sport outside my home
01:17:59 I learned to do sport outside my home
01:18:03 And it helped me
01:18:06 you see because
01:18:08 Later on later in my life
01:18:11 Later in my life
01:18:13 I managed with the I got a friend
01:18:16 an American
01:18:18 Peace Corps retired fellow
01:18:21 The two of us we brought toastmasters to Ghana and toastmasters today. We have about 30 clubs in Ghana
01:18:28 Oh, wow teaching people how to speak in
01:18:31 without fear
01:18:34 without hesitation
01:18:36 You know
01:18:37 so so
01:18:39 Before you got into journalism
01:18:41 Fully in fact, which year did you get into journalism?
01:18:45 I can't tell you. You know the beginning was
01:18:49 Check it. Yeah, so I can't say exactly but
01:18:52 Um, I got into it. I never went to a training school here. Yeah
01:18:57 I organized my first public speaking course
01:19:03 in in institute of journalism
01:19:06 You know, I never attended the school. 24th
01:19:08 24th May
01:19:11 19 something I've forgotten it. Yeah, I can I can understand but there was this
01:19:16 Interesting story about one Richard Akwe. Okay
01:19:20 Richard Akwe. Yes
01:19:24 The Lionheart. The Lionheart. Yes, right
01:19:26 Tell us about him because we are made to understand like he was one of the founding fathers of Ghana football
01:19:32 Correct. He played a major role
01:19:36 And he and one Adakwa from Ashanti
01:19:39 they played a major role in the
01:19:42 founding and development of especially the league system
01:19:46 It took a lot of time for the league system to operate as we are doing it today
01:19:52 It they will start it will collapse. It will start it will collapse very soon. So it wasn't easy
01:19:58 And Richard Akwe, the Lionheart
01:20:02 He was chairman, they put him there as chairman
01:20:05 And he was very strict
01:20:08 Maybe maybe I'm saying maybe he was dictatorial in some of his uh,
01:20:14 activities, but there he was
01:20:17 And he played a good role
01:20:19 Helping to make football or soccer
01:20:22 um
01:20:25 Thoroughly good thing. Yeah, that's right
01:20:28 so
01:20:30 We respect that he founded a school
01:20:32 He had a school in Akra
01:20:36 Yeah, a very big school
01:20:39 I think the school is still there. Okay. Yeah. Okay, but I remember
01:20:44 um
01:20:46 reading about
01:20:47 The football history of Ghana way in the 19 in the 1940s. Yeah, he accused um
01:20:54 Kofi Bedu
01:20:56 of using his spend to get him out of power because uh
01:21:00 The black stars then were supposed to go to the UK for some
01:21:04 Yes
01:21:08 Well Kofi Bedu
01:21:11 Kofi Bedu had a pen
01:21:14 That I think we haven't had
01:21:17 again
01:21:19 In journalism in Ghana. He was a terrific writer
01:21:22 And if you ask me, I'll say he had a poisonous pen
01:21:28 Yeah
01:21:30 When Dr. Buzia became prime minister of his country
01:21:34 his writings
01:21:37 Were some of the factors that got Buzia out. Wow. Oh, yeah, he could write and
01:21:43 his command of the English language superb
01:21:46 Quite recently I wrote to him. I wanted to visit Yassanti Hini
01:21:51 And he never wrote back. I don't know why
01:21:54 Uh, maybe he's he's still busy. Maybe he probably maybe when he hears this he'll call you
01:21:58 He'll call you but but talk to us about the football history
01:22:06 um
01:22:08 You spoke about the lion heart where?
01:22:10 Like I mentioned he accused Kofi Bedu of using his pen to get him out of power
01:22:14 He just mentioned that his pen was too poisonous. So the point the point was spent got out of power
01:22:21 Then Echampon, right? Oh, well after Richard Okwe a whole lot of things happened. Yeah development of
01:22:28 You know one time good another time bad and so on till we got
01:22:33 We've now been able to study
01:22:36 To make the league system work. But I understand were you in journalism?
01:22:41 I was in journalism from 61. Okay, professionally. Okay. That was when I joined the
01:22:49 GBC. Yeah and
01:22:51 Initially I wasn't
01:22:54 Going to to be with the sports department
01:22:57 I was I was sent to the talks and features department talks and features
01:23:03 And I was writing stories
01:23:06 And editing stories that other people wrote from outside
01:23:10 Editing because I had a teaching experience
01:23:12 And they thought my English was good. So I was doing this editing then
01:23:18 Somebody took ill
01:23:20 In the sports department. Okay, and that a man called Festus Adai
01:23:26 He can he joined the army later. So he was he ended up as Kenel Adai
01:23:32 He was in charge of a sports department. The sports department was known as the outside broadcast department
01:23:40 The outside broadcast department which we call the OB's. Yeah, the outside broadcast department
01:23:47 Contained the sports department
01:23:49 So the real name of the department that I later joined was OB's
01:23:56 OB's
01:23:59 The main thing they did was sports and ceremonies. Okay, you get it
01:24:04 So somebody felt sick
01:24:08 in the OB's department
01:24:11 And was out of work
01:24:14 And I was asked to go on relieving duties at the OB's. So I went
01:24:20 And when after I had the man was about returning to the department
01:24:26 Festus Adai refused to let me go back
01:24:29 Because he thought I was a good material for the OB's department
01:24:34 There was a tug of war between him
01:24:36 And the head of programs a very tough guy called
01:24:39 Joe Gatti, not Latti, Joe Gatti
01:24:44 He was a head of programs and they tussled tussled
01:24:48 Eventually Festus won the tussle and I was asked to stay
01:24:53 in the OB's department
01:24:55 then I took up the commentary and
01:24:59 I'm telling you the story of how we
01:25:02 Over to you developed. Yeah, my boss was Kenel Festus Adai
01:25:08 He was a very good commentator
01:25:12 He had a very good voice. I always tell people he had a velvet voice
01:25:18 beautiful voice and
01:25:21 He saw what I could do
01:25:24 So anytime there was a comment something to be done with sports and ceremonial I shared the commentary with him
01:25:32 He would start or he would ask me to start
01:25:36 tell people about the scene and
01:25:40 Then when I finished with the scene he would take over I said over to you Festus
01:25:45 When he finishes, he would say over to you Joe
01:25:48 and we covered a number of
01:25:51 interesting when
01:25:53 Thermohaber was commissioned we did a commentary when the Queen visited Ghana the first time
01:25:59 he and I and somebody from
01:26:02 BBC called Gottfried Talbot. We were sitting on a tall
01:26:09 scaffolding at the airport
01:26:11 when the Queen arrived
01:26:14 He came she came in a Boeing 707
01:26:19 And when the plane stopped and she she descended she said I am here at last
01:26:27 Unquote I am here at last why?
01:26:32 Because the visit of a Queen to Ghana that time
01:26:38 Kicked up a lot of national debates
01:26:41 So should she come or not come should she come or not come and it went forwards and backwards
01:26:50 Halfway through the process the Queen was pregnant. He had a baby and so couldn't come and
01:26:56 Finally the Queen came
01:26:58 So when she landed
01:27:01 in this tropical
01:27:04 You know, yeah, she said I am here at last and then the Chiefs with the umbrellas
01:27:11 the exhaust from the 707 was blowing the umbrellas
01:27:16 And the whole place was agog
01:27:20 You know, that was one of the interesting topics I mean top interesting
01:27:27 Ceremonies
01:27:31 Now give us a brief history of Ghana football. Well Ghana football started
01:27:36 Quite quite quite a long time ago
01:27:39 It was one great thing
01:27:43 He was headmaster of
01:27:46 government school in Cape Coast
01:27:48 He started the thing and he recruited a few local boys and they were practicing and
01:27:57 Moonlight and so on and bit by bit it developed until
01:28:01 Akrak
01:28:03 Hatsheput came in then there was Stanford
01:28:06 Stanford died for a very long time. We had Hatsheput and Stanford
01:28:11 That Stanford is gone. Stanford is now
01:28:15 Olympics
01:28:17 And it went on like that that way we had problems with coaching
01:28:23 So when Ohindijan became the sports director
01:28:27 As I told you Kwame Nkrumah was interested in sport and he knew
01:28:33 Ohindijan was interested in sport and was doing it. He and he was around
01:28:38 Richard Akwe and so on. You know in Samoa
01:28:42 He was doing football from Samoa and he was there
01:28:47 so
01:28:49 when
01:28:51 When Richard Akwe gave way there was this one then we had problems with coaching
01:28:57 So director of sports... So Richard Akwe gave way to Ohindijan?
01:29:02 Let me say
01:29:04 Richard Akwe's period
01:29:06 passed off and then a new period with Ohindijan in Adakwa in Cape Coast
01:29:13 In Samoa. No Adakwa was in Ashanti. Oh, okay. And then they picked up the
01:29:21 The loose ends and started developing it and Ohindijan did a lot
01:29:27 to
01:29:30 He was more or less acting at the instructions of
01:29:34 Nkrumah
01:29:37 you know, they brought in the
01:29:39 Real Madrid. Nkrumah personally
01:29:42 organized
01:29:44 that part of our history in football and brought the Real Madrid to Ghana
01:29:51 They played against the Black Sox and it ended up in a 3-3 draw
01:29:56 you see and and it went on then
01:30:00 Ohindijan developed... we were told at the instruction of Kwame Nkrumah he developed the Republicans
01:30:11 Real Madrid came and we had the Republicans
01:30:14 And the Republicans brought a lot of problems, you know people they were picking the best
01:30:20 From each of the league clubs and people didn't like it
01:30:24 [Music]
01:30:53 [Singing]
01:31:05 My name is Benjamin Akaku
01:31:07 I'm about to share my blunt thoughts with you this morning
01:31:11 But when I sing the song I did for those of you who don't understand trees because I come in peace
01:31:16 with a little bit of violence like we say here
01:31:22 Peace to the masses
01:31:24 Bowelence or violence if you like
01:31:27 To whom the cap fit
01:31:30 This morning I've titled my blunt thoughts bare-faced thievery
01:31:34 Brazen arrogance and the crisis of leadership the beginning of the end
01:31:43 Permit me to start Ganafor by reflecting on some of what professor
01:31:51 C.L.O Lumumba a renowned lawyer and activist has been sharing with us in recent times as he spoke about
01:31:56 Our former president may so rest in peace John Evans at a Mills
01:32:00 He said we are celebrating president at a Mills because he taught us that it is not how long you serve
01:32:07 But how well you serve that matters
01:32:10 Some people today are talking about breaking the eight
01:32:13 To do what exactly more damage to us as a people what they couldn't do in eight years
01:32:20 Will they now somehow have the magic one to wave to work miracles on the back of an IMF program will they?
01:32:25 Again P.L.O Lumumba says
01:32:30 African leaders are arrogant and corrupt
01:32:33 Unlike professor Mills who can be remembered for his short, but good service
01:32:39 Good service not the sheer arrogance and power drunkenness that we've seen this administration display right from mr. President
01:32:47 down to even DC ease
01:32:50 That is not the way to go
01:32:52 Mr. President slammed the chief for asking, you know for a free SHS facility
01:32:58 He slammed another chief with a medical condition for not standing up during the singing of the national anthem
01:33:04 When his daughter did it that was very okay
01:33:08 As for that insidiously arrogant DCE who wanted to send a police officer to inchy for merely doing his job
01:33:15 The least said about him the better
01:33:18 This state of affairs makes one thing very clear
01:33:22 there is a different set of standards or laws for the political class or the
01:33:26 Political elite and a distinct one for the masses you and me
01:33:31 That is why some anti-gruff Crusaders have insisted especially on the back of the glaring
01:33:36 integrity painting acceptance letter to Cecilia Abner the press resignation
01:33:41 That nothing will come of all these so-called investigations into whatever she may have done
01:33:48 Which is what brings me now
01:33:50 To my slides and I'll play two videos for you today, but let's hasten slowly. Let's go slowly
01:33:57 1 million dollars the Sicilian apart that saga
01:34:01 Let's go into the details 1 million dollars
01:34:05 Plus what?
01:34:08 300,000 euros, let's go to the next slide, please
01:34:14 Okay, so we'll quickly get there 300,000 euros next slide
01:34:18 Then again Ghana CDs 350,000 next slide
01:34:24 Then six pieces of assorted Kente cloth if you like at the cost of
01:34:33 90,000 Ghana CDs next slide
01:34:35 Then Oh the suits as well for her husband six sets of men's suits valued at some
01:34:43 $35,000 each let's go to the next slide
01:34:46 But there's more
01:34:49 Assorted clothes worth about 95,000 Ghana CDs some people in this country will not even see
01:34:54 95,000 Ghana CDs before they die that is just someone's you know, that is part of her wardrobe
01:34:58 What was totally no no what is left next slide and?
01:35:01 then again
01:35:04 assorted handbags
01:35:06 $35,000 worth it's not to say that people don't do this
01:35:10 But you know when you're a politically exposed person when you're in office the dynamics are different
01:35:15 Yeah, the the benchmark is higher next slide, but that's not all there's also jewelry assorted perfumes
01:35:22 There's a thousand four hundred dollars and a crowd here. All right, you know, I'm just Cecilia. It'd be okay
01:35:27 Let's go to the next one. There's jewelry as well
01:35:30 $95,000 worth of jewelry Oh
01:35:35 Into thin air
01:35:38 Thanks to those
01:35:40 Staff at home who decided pilfering was the way to go
01:35:44 Let's go to the next slide
01:35:47 now
01:35:49 One million dollars. What can it do?
01:35:51 It can fill a table
01:35:55 There's more it can do in terms of our national dynamics come with me
01:35:58 You will find out what 1 million dollars can do and how serious the situation is why we need to get to the bottom of this
01:36:04 matter
01:36:05 Now in terms of the allocations to different sectors of our economy
01:36:08 allocation
01:36:10 item
01:36:12 Child or human trafficking fund we gave them 1 million CDs and mind you keep in mind that 1 million dollars is the equivalent as
01:36:19 Of today of 11.3 million Ghana cities
01:36:21 So child or human trafficking fund 1 million Ghana cities mental health fund
01:36:26 1.406 million
01:36:29 Operation Vanguard that is the anti-gallant see operations and red sec
01:36:32 That is the Regional Security Council 3.2 million Ghana cities the Green Ghana project 2.5 million
01:36:38 cybersecurity authority 1.7 million cybersecurity
01:36:41 domestic violence 1 million
01:36:44 Actually, if you add all of these together you get 10.8 6 million Ghana CDs
01:36:50 It is still less than the 1 million dollars that was stolen from the other part in terms of value because then
01:36:58 We would have four hundred and thirty one thousand four hundred and eighty cities left
01:37:02 That is what 1 million dollars is this is what it means
01:37:06 But let me break it down even further in the lives of ordinary Joe's amma coffee. Amma. Yeah, this is what it means
01:37:13 Let's go to the next slide. This is what it means a
01:37:15 senior university lecturer who earns about 10,000 Ghana cities a month needs to work for a thousand one hundred and eighty months or
01:37:25 94 years to get 1 million dollars 94 years a junior university lecturer who earns about 5,000 CDs a month needs to work for
01:37:32 188 years to get 1 million a
01:37:36 Graduate teacher at secondary or basic school who earns about 3,000 Ghana cities a month needs to work for three hundred and thirteen years
01:37:44 to get 1 million dollars a
01:37:46 Diploma teacher or diploma teacher who earns about two thousand five hundred a month needs to work for three hundred and seventy seven years
01:37:54 to arrive at 1 million dollars a
01:37:56 Junior medical doctor who earns about 10,000 Ghana cities a month needs to work for 94 years
01:38:03 Let's go to the next slide to get 1 million dollars a senior nurse or midwife who earns about 8,000 a month needs to work
01:38:10 For 118 years a well-paid journalist in Ghana who earns about 12,000 that's even on the high side
01:38:15 We know we know what it is about 12,000 a month needs to work for 78 years
01:38:22 by that time
01:38:24 To make 1 million dollars 1 million dollars can buy 240 taxi cabs 240
01:38:32 1 million dollars can build 14
01:38:36 6 units classroom blocks to reduce schools and the trees in our rural areas
01:38:41 14 6 unit blocks school blocks
01:38:45 Look at how many schools we have on the trees
01:38:49 Now the interesting part for me Cecilia the past monthly salary as a minister. We checked everything. Okay is
01:38:56 around
01:38:59 30,000 206 Ghana cities and that is per the professor. Yeah in Tia Moua Bidu a monument report
01:39:06 2017 to 2021 so we saw it from that
01:39:08 30,000 206 Ghana cities she needs to work for 31 years
01:39:13 To get 1 million dollars. How long was she at post again?
01:39:18 Okay
01:39:20 Next slide
01:39:22 Now before I get into this I
01:39:25 Wanted to watch
01:39:28 This video up next it shows Cecilia
01:39:30 I've never part in Parliament when there was the probe about kovat 19 funding and how much had gone to the
01:39:36 Sanitation and water resources ministry when she was still minister. These were her responses pay attention
01:39:42 Mr. Chairman the components for my ministry is 43 million dollars and I think I spoke about it earlier
01:39:49 That is to take care of the adult basin to clean it up and to cut
01:39:54 the heaps of waste that
01:39:58 That we see around the basin Thank You, Mr. Chairman
01:40:04 You
01:40:06 Claim that your ministry had 43 million out of the 200 million dollars
01:40:23 How was that 43 million applied?
01:40:31 Mr. Chairman
01:40:33 Giving the
01:40:35 Components
01:40:37 out is to cut about five heaps around
01:40:42 Pantone and then the adult basin and it's also to clean up
01:40:48 The adult basin to make the channels open for water to flow in. Yes
01:41:00 Were you satisfied with those answers from Cecilia Abner Dapa
01:41:05 Were you satisfied?
01:41:08 former minister for sanitation and water resources
01:41:11 Well, I wasn't either yet
01:41:12 She got clean away without Parliament doing a lot more digging to get her to deliver a better account of how she had expended our
01:41:19 43 million dollars of kovat 19 cash. What am I saying? What am I insinuating?
01:41:27 I'm neither saying nor insinuating anything
01:41:30 But you can read between the lines if you will like Jesus with the masses of his day
01:41:34 Apart from his followers that is I shall speak to you in parables only you do the math you go work it out for yourselves
01:41:41 But I'm in country
01:41:43 But let's also watch this second video from news file on November the 9th
01:41:48 2013 you see why am I digging up some of these things?
01:41:52 Because the rhetoric today of those in power versus the rhetoric then of those in opposition
01:41:57 Speaks volumes and that is the circus we play in this country in opposition
01:42:01 They see all kinds of nice things NBC MPP when they come to power a confusion. I am a sir
01:42:06 This is a slow whistle a couple on that day and what she said about
01:42:11 accountability
01:42:13 Poverty listen to her
01:42:21 Talk about making money
01:42:24 Do you think that there's a need to investigate that you you think that's
01:42:28 Absolutely. I think that for starters now said that in other book. We need to start with a lifestyle audit
01:42:34 We need to start with a lifestyle audit of our people in in positions of authority
01:42:41 You had president no saying that if such officials are able to build house a house in three years
01:42:47 Then it means they're corrupt. What about government officials whose only official source of income is their salary?
01:42:54 acquiring property in three four years
01:42:57 Isn't that worth investigating anything that Professor Mills spoke about and God bless his soul that we know them
01:43:02 We just play ostrich don't we that is why I'm saying that
01:43:05 We shouldn't just be lip service to it and still things that we want people to hear
01:43:10 But we should move beyond that and start with a lifestyle audit of our people in positions of authority
01:43:16 Oh
01:43:18 You are and you're gonna be kind of you
01:43:21 Why no?
01:43:23 Why not? Okay, it's the usual cool. I agree to you this morning as I rap
01:43:28 That is why we need the conduct of public officers. No
01:43:31 This bill is on our books
01:43:33 The bill when passed into law would prevent the issue of public officers having and explained wealth with the laws of the country seemingly
01:43:41 impotent in dealing with it, that's
01:43:44 You know occupy Ghana and recently what they've been pushing for the approval of the bill has been stalled by
01:43:50 Cabinet, let's let's get to the next slide by cabinet by cabinet
01:43:56 Why?
01:43:58 We need that law we do and just to wrap up the conversation as we talk about money matters and all of that
01:44:05 Even now if you look at the state of our debts look over the last few
01:44:09 This is how I wrap and then next slide our public debt has increased by twenty point three percent in terms of billions of Ghana
01:44:15 cities on the back of the latest Bank of Ghana dynamic
01:44:18 So from December twenty to do four seven three point two billion now it is at five hundred sixty nine point three billion
01:44:24 That's our current debt an increment of ninety six point one billion Ghana cities twenty point three percent increment
01:44:30 That is where we find ourselves as a country while some people are keeping cash cooler in their houses. We are going to pay the debt
01:44:38 We haven't benefited
01:44:40 Next slide now in terms of how much this means look the Ghana Jollof index
01:44:45 I found this interesting the cost of cooking Jollof has increased. Yeah, so in January 2023, you would have spent
01:44:52 277 point seven five cities
01:44:55 In February it was at 286 March 280
01:44:59 It fell April 277 now if you are cooking for a family of five a household of five
01:45:04 You would spend three hundred and seventeen cities 50 pesos basically
01:45:08 a day. Come on Jollof rise with good talk
01:45:10 Well
01:45:19 This is the picture
01:45:21 This is the reality the videos speak for themselves. I have nothing more to say
01:45:27 You judge for yourselves. My name is Benjamin Akaku. These are my bland thoughts that I've shared with you this morning
01:45:35 Go and reflect on them. I pray for Ghana. I pray for our motherland
01:45:40 May God bless our country and make her great
01:45:43 and strong
01:45:46 You
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01:48:06 Which camps have been banned?
01:48:09 You go to cook or?
01:48:11 Battinga among other places in our country. These have become prominent
01:48:17 over the decades
01:48:19 There is that new resolution in Parliament on the back of Francis Xavier
01:48:24 Sossus bill that the member of Parliament from Medina, but what do we know as of now joining the conversation?
01:48:30 We have professor John Azuma. He is executive director of the Sunny Institute. We also have
01:48:38 Francis Xavier so sue member of Parliament for Medina and our very own
01:48:44 Editor here. I join news Jojo
01:48:47 Kavanaugh
01:48:49 Gentlemen a very good morning to you. Thank you for joining us on the a.m. Show
01:48:57 Good morning
01:48:59 Okay, so good morning, right so we have did I hear Francis Xavier
01:49:04 All right. All right. So we have professor John Azuma together with Jojo Kavanaugh Jojo
01:49:10 Where do you find yourself?
01:49:13 Currently and tell us about I know you're excited about this. We're all excited about it
01:49:18 I can see the look on your face already
01:49:20 But tell us what this means not just for you, but those in those communities where which camps have been prevalent
01:49:28 What does all of this mean?
01:49:30 It means so much yesterday when the news broke that Parliament had I mean passed the bill way
01:49:37 I I was over the moon. I was excited because I was monitoring
01:49:41 I'm on the coalition page. We have a coalition page coalition against
01:49:47 witchcraft accusations and so when the news dropped and
01:49:50 we're all excited I was very excited because
01:49:53 it it took me back to the very first time that I went to the witch camp that was in
01:50:00 2008 to do a story it took me back to a woman I interviewed who
01:50:06 told me a story and said she walked for
01:50:10 For two days before she got to the camp because the people wanted to lecture and she was walking barefoot
01:50:16 To that particular place. It took me to
01:50:18 Nani which camp in 2008 when they didn't have
01:50:23 Boroughs in that community and so they have to check all the way to the water to fetch water
01:50:30 it took me to that moment where the woman was trekking and
01:50:35 Barefoot and during in the in the in the intense Hamilton
01:50:39 Well, we see her foot crack badly cracked and she had no helper
01:50:44 She had no child to help her carry water
01:50:47 And so she stopped several times before she eventually got water and returned
01:50:52 it took me to a woman who a building collapsed on I mean she was in a room and
01:50:59 the the heart was so
01:51:02 Weak and soaked because it had rained and rained and so it collapsed on her and they came to rescue her
01:51:10 it took me to a moment a woman called Nakuma who
01:51:14 tried shaving her own hair and then using a razor and
01:51:19 You would see cuts like she was cut virtually cuts in his scalp
01:51:24 Because she was said she was she had headache and she had no helper and she was doing it. It took me to
01:51:30 The Cocoa Camp where the woman went to the marketplace to fetch
01:51:35 to sweep the markets gather grains sift sand from the grains washed it and
01:51:42 Then came to prepare a meal to eat. So these are stories that I mean are very heartbreaking
01:51:48 Have been there several times. I remember telling my coalition members that I don't want to do another which comes story. I have done
01:51:56 The story many on many occasions visited the camps which comes many times. I
01:52:02 I remember
01:52:05 Focusing on one particular angle that
01:52:08 Where even the camp managers were even extorting money from the woman would charge the woman for accommodation
01:52:16 Especially when the woman come in there. It wasn't their own choice
01:52:20 They had their own places where to live and then people say giving them
01:52:25 accusing them of very funny doing funny things, especially
01:52:28 one one story that really struck with me was a
01:52:32 woman said
01:52:34 It was an a crowd doing her managing her own business and then she got a call that someone had died there
01:52:40 And so she should come
01:52:42 So she should come return to to the village when she got there
01:52:46 he told her that one boy had died from an accident and
01:52:52 So she's the cause and that was tested. There was someone who was hustling in a crowd
01:52:57 Come to a cross come come to the village and then come for your funeral
01:53:02 She came and then she was ostracized sent to the village. So all these stories that we have sort of
01:53:08 Baby, we have sat down we have sort of kept quiet over
01:53:12 Because it is it is cultural
01:53:15 but largely many women are suffering and have been suffering over the years and
01:53:21 And that Jojo just I'm sorry. I have to truncate your line of thought
01:53:25 Interesting stories you're bringing to bear interestingly. We also have the proponent of that bill
01:53:31 Francis Xavier so a member of Parliament for Medina. I don't want to lose him
01:53:36 so let me go to him, but you know, I find it very disturbing as I was watching the
01:53:40 Live feed guess what? I saw so one Alhaj tanko Mbanya and I'm doing this for educational purposes now rights
01:53:51 This is nonsense, so Parliament wants the witches to kill us will never accept that
01:53:56 I'll hide him by now. How do you prove someone is a witch in which court in which jurisdiction?
01:54:05 Francis a bias is whoever a good morning to you
01:54:09 a very good morning to you - and a very good morning to our cherished viewers and
01:54:15 You see these are the problems we face. I'll hide them by now
01:54:18 I just read out the comment before coming to you so you would be able to react to it
01:54:22 But what does it mean to you as a proponent or if I may say chief proponent of this bill?
01:54:27 Now that we have this amendment
01:54:29 Well, first of all, I think I want to recognize and acknowledge the work of the entire Parliament of the Republic of
01:54:40 Ghana and the work of the right on our speaker
01:54:44 Bagman who has taken some personal interest in some of these matters and also
01:54:50 committed to ensure that we change the narrative of Ghana when it comes to
01:54:56 some of these matters and
01:54:59 I would also commend the effort of the majority leader the minority leader
01:55:05 as well as the Committee on Constitutional League and Parliamentary Affairs
01:55:10 And all those who have worked so hard on these
01:55:14 draft department led by
01:55:16 Actually work tirelessly to ensure that we've gotten this far
01:55:22 So the product of many people and all the sponsors
01:55:26 Who have had the process and when I talk about the sponsors, I'm talking about Dr. Giselle
01:55:32 Honorable Betty, Honorable Ntosu and
01:55:35 And and and all the all the all the others who have worked so hard to ensure that we've gotten this far
01:55:43 And I think congratulations to everyone and congratulations to Ghana. I think that comment like that definitely
01:55:50 part of the reasons why
01:55:52 we need a law like this because
01:55:56 You know to change society and to reform the mind of people
01:56:03 require a
01:56:06 multifaceted approach
01:56:08 One of them will be education by education might be based on something and I think that law is a tool for
01:56:15 social engineering is a tool to shift
01:56:19 the path of society and to shift the minds of people and
01:56:22 I believe that a law like this
01:56:25 Has set the right tone
01:56:28 change the mind of
01:56:30 persons like
01:56:35 The one who just send in the text because if you look at this
01:56:38 I'll Hajin by now is his name. Yeah. Yeah, I like but yeah, and the bill is not seeking to
01:56:44 To even out to know the existence or non-existence of witchcraft
01:56:53 we are not seeking to
01:56:56 Criminalize
01:56:59 Freedom of thought and freedom of believing and whatever a person may choose to believe
01:57:04 I think what this deal has done simply is to ensure that
01:57:09 all our beliefs and customary practices
01:57:13 would be in sync with the
01:57:17 1992 Constitution and
01:57:19 Would ensure that those beliefs and practices are not injurious to other
01:57:27 Citizens in this case. We have seen that the women
01:57:31 Who are held in servitude?
01:57:34 in various which comes
01:57:36 I
01:57:38 mean
01:57:40 I've heard because of a single belief a belief which translates
01:57:45 into positive action and and and and the belief is enough, but when you go beyond your belief to not
01:57:53 positively accuse and
01:57:56 label other people and seek to use all kinds of
01:57:59 ordeal process of
01:58:02 proving or
01:58:05 attempting to establish your
01:58:07 said accusation
01:58:09 That has led to the death of many many have been excluded from their homes. They fled their homes the
01:58:17 many have left their properties and and and and cost many so much harm including death and so
01:58:25 We must understand that there will always be an interplay between culture and law
01:58:28 But when you take the 1992 Constitution particularly article 26, it makes it very clear
01:58:34 as 26 to see that all customary practices which dehumanize or
01:58:40 are injurious to the physical and mental well-being of a person are prohibited and so the laws are just enacted to
01:58:49 regularize these practices and whatever we believe in
01:58:53 To ensure that people are not endangered
01:58:57 Just let me find out from you though, there's another side I have to reflect the different aspects of this conversation
01:59:04 Some to have said, you know, this is this systemic it has happened over decades
01:59:11 If not over centuries this which situation I mean you can go to the Salem witch hunts and what happened back then
01:59:18 It's a similar thing here
01:59:19 And sometimes people are killed and we can't even find the perpetrators, but it's also been said Francis Xavier Sosu to conclude with you
01:59:26 That this is also some sort of haven
01:59:30 For those who are declared witches in other words while the law now says that you can't declare label someone a witch
01:59:38 There may be incidents where
01:59:42 Some of these things may happen it's like FGM female genital mutilation
01:59:49 What then do we do because these were places where those people could run to
01:59:53 By taking that away. What would it mean? What systems legally speaking are we putting in place?
01:59:59 Well, I think that
02:00:02 That view was shared with us when we went on site to visit all those places
02:00:09 And and so we are not lost on those views at all
02:00:15 What we have said is I see the reasons why people end up in those camps is the accusation and the labeling
02:00:23 And so once you take away and you criminalize that
02:00:29 Accusation and you criminalize the labeling
02:00:34 Then that those camps will naturally run dry
02:00:38 because
02:00:40 You are truncating the the process of creating camps and the process of getting people into places
02:00:47 Like that indeed historically the essence of those camps were to provide some haven
02:00:55 For persons who have been labeled or accused
02:00:57 however, when you go to site and you you actually
02:01:04 Visit these camps like I have been I mean to some of this come with our stakeholders and
02:01:11 other sponsors of this peel
02:01:13 It is obvious that these women are being held in servitude. That's one secondly
02:01:19 They live in very very deplorable dehumanizing
02:01:23 condition and most of those women
02:01:27 Who may either be farmers formally or maybe doing their own?
02:01:32 Maybe trade, you know, they suddenly lose the opportunity to trade
02:01:38 They lose opportunity to do to farm and and and now they end up in these camps
02:01:43 it are working at the mercy of persons who otherwise are supposed to protect them and and
02:01:49 And these people turn out to be predators and and when I we had a chance to speak
02:01:56 One on one with a lot of the women on in this comes you could see that
02:02:02 They are not happy being there
02:02:05 Of course, the law makes room for reintegration
02:02:09 Which is supposed to be led by the Minister for gender children and social protection that range integration may be multifaceted
02:02:17 Supported by the various years that supported this work
02:02:21 It could be that those some of those camps which have become like communities could be reformed. We could have alternative
02:02:28 livelihood opportunities for them and those who are willing and ready to move to the
02:02:34 Their homes or to be resettled in other places
02:02:37 We ensure that they are resettled in those places
02:02:40 the whole essence of the law is to I mean protect the most vulnerable because when you go to the top that the people who are
02:02:47 mostly accused me which is a very very vulnerable people
02:02:51 Well, thank you Francis a VSS who so moving forward when can we expect this to kick in just briefly very briefly
02:02:57 Well, we expect that the president
02:02:59 Would ascend to this deals sooner and was the views are centered to there's going to be the coalition
02:03:08 Against the witchcraft accusation is going to have a number of programs
02:03:12 sensitization on the bill
02:03:16 Possess a via so sue is a member of Parliament for Medina and a chief proponent of that bill. Thank you for joining the conversation
02:03:22 Let me now bring in professor John Azuma executive director of the Sane Institute prof
02:03:28 What is your take? How does that how does it make you feel now that we've got to this point?
02:03:33 We were on the cusp of it. Now. We have crossed the Rubicon. It's left with mr
02:03:38 President to give us a scent to the bill. So it becomes law. What does this mean?
02:03:45 Here thank you for this opportunity
02:03:47 This means a lot it means a lot for me personally, but it means even a lot more for Ghana
02:03:54 Yesterday when this bill was passed I became I felt proud beginning
02:04:02 Until that when I thought about the witchcraft accusations the lynchings and the camps
02:04:12 it made me so
02:04:15 So ashamed
02:04:17 That's only in Ghana that you have these two are the world
02:04:22 If you reference to the fact that this has existed in human society for four generations and for centuries
02:04:29 but in many many societies it has been
02:04:33 Criminalized that you cannot call somebody a witch and those societies have moved on
02:04:39 But Ghana was still stuck there for all this time and I am so glad
02:04:44 Because I remember when a queer dental was lynched
02:04:49 exactly
02:04:51 We
02:05:06 Sent to Parliament the Sunny Institute
02:05:08 Center that is the Parliament we sent it into many other places that was
02:05:13 2019 and
02:05:17 Hello prof
02:05:25 Okay, we'll try to get profs connection working again and we'll get back to him but dojo so you are making quite some interesting points
02:05:35 Form of speak
02:05:37 All right at prof we can hear you but in bits and pieces and patches really so just hold for us and let's try to rework
02:05:46 That connection Jojo. So you've heard Francis a VSO
02:05:49 So and I was reflecting the other side those who had said that look the witch camps are a sort of haven for these people
02:05:55 Now with what Francis a VSO Sue has said does that give you comfort that these people will finally be safe
02:06:03 Yes, yes, yes, I mean these concerns were raised
02:06:06 When we went there I was I was with
02:06:09 Francis Xavier's or Sue when we went to the widget with mr. The witch's come that was when we were trying to they were trying
02:06:16 to get
02:06:18 insight into
02:06:20 Activities of the camp and the various concerns people there see let me tell you something
02:06:26 There is an economic benefit to I mean
02:06:31 people being there
02:06:33 The people who express these concerns who have been expressing these concerns are not even the inmates who are there
02:06:41 They are the people the custodians of the camp because number one
02:06:45 They use many of these women to farm
02:06:48 They they they use them labor to farm
02:06:53 many of these women when they come there are rituals that are performed and
02:06:59 And when rituals are performed definitely you pay a token
02:07:03 So there is an economic benefit. There's money that you pay you pay on it. There's a token that you pay
02:07:10 badly when you are leaving if for example a family member is
02:07:16 Wants to have you back in the community
02:07:20 You pay a huge sum you pay go to pay a lot of money before what you are released
02:07:29 That is another another factor
02:07:31 third factor
02:07:33 Many of these women I mean when we even spoke to the women's some of them even had children with with
02:07:40 camp operators
02:07:43 you understand many of them even had children with camp operators and
02:07:46 Some of them said well, they wasn't consensual
02:07:51 So you can imagine there are people who are really the custodians of the other camp
02:07:57 benefited
02:07:59 intensely from
02:08:00 the process so definitely
02:08:02 They will not be happy and I remember and it's also remember one of the one of the people said
02:08:08 so you people want to
02:08:11 Stop the flow like cuts the flow
02:08:14 That is to stop women from coming there
02:08:17 and again, and we said yes, and they said oh so what would happen if
02:08:23 Someone is accused. I say as well as someone is accused. This is where the law will take effect. So I mean
02:08:29 People saying that well
02:08:33 People need that place as a haven. Yes, if you I remember when we're discussing it together as a team
02:08:39 We're talking about okay making sure that social welfare department becomes very active here where women that
02:08:47 Shelters will be created so it would not be that
02:08:51 Organizing center because see these these women have no food. Yes, and then no one gives them food
02:08:57 No one no one pays attention to them. Nothing ever happens
02:09:01 They have to struggle to eat
02:09:04 Some have to go to the market and wet bag and then sometimes people would have to go and give them give them some money
02:09:10 people
02:09:12 Presbyterian churches and many other churches will go there and give them food on the benevolence of other people before they eat
02:09:20 The state is supposed to even give them leap. Yes, the state used to do that. But I mean if we check right now
02:09:26 They owe them
02:09:29 Last year, for example, they owe them over six eight months of leap. They were not paying them
02:09:35 They were not giving them their leap. So we
02:09:38 Consistently we have sort of dehumanized this woman. We have contributed to that the suffering of the of the woman
02:09:47 Over the years so it is an exciting. I mean move to cut off
02:09:52 The source that is to stop the accusations once the accusation stops
02:09:59 the woman will not be going running into the camps and
02:10:03 Then the camps would eventually dry out and then the woman will be free and then would have ended
02:10:10 Something that has assisted for centuries
02:10:12 Jojo
02:10:14 So there's there are interesting comments. I am seeing today and I'm just going to reflect on all of them
02:10:20 So we have a better appreciation of also understanding the minds of those who think this is wrong
02:10:25 For example this one and I'll read the Bible it because the person says coffee lights
02:10:31 Says the Bible says kill the witches human beings say no that is that is what?
02:10:37 Coffee light is saying now when you look at Exodus 22 indeed
02:10:42 The the the King James Version says thou shall not suffer a witch to live it goes on and on by see
02:10:47 Sometimes when we pick and choose without contextualizing that is where the problem is
02:10:51 And this was situated in a specific context at a specific time
02:10:55 In the New Testament Jesus would come and say and I'm not here to proselytize
02:11:00 But Jesus would say even forgive your enemies and pray for them
02:11:04 So I think the problem is much more deep-seated
02:11:08 Deep-rooted than we think and that is my problem that even with the passage of the bill just as with a female
02:11:16 genital mutilation that later we made female circumcision and all of that and
02:11:21 Some people the understanding is still not there
02:11:29 Acappu
02:11:30 You see if you when you when you go to the witch's camp. Yeah, and you talk to the women and
02:11:38 They tell you what have been through
02:11:41 You your your best your your your mood would change your perception your mind. You'll have a whole radical mind shift
02:11:49 Hey, do you think that will happen to these people who are sending these messages?
02:11:55 Hello the people sending these messages do you think that will happen to them if they went to the camp to see for themselves what
02:12:02 Happens there. Yes, I think I think I think they need to go there because see now the entire faiths
02:12:08 the cause of a person's life
02:12:11 Depends on how a chicken dies. I mean that is how that is. That is how ridiculous it is and
02:12:17 and number two see when you get to the camp and then they perform these rituals and
02:12:24 Then the rituals even exonerates the woman
02:12:28 That's all the tindana will say. Oh, she's not a witch. I mean, she's not a witch and so allow her to
02:12:35 Go home
02:12:37 The people would say no, they don't want her and
02:12:39 One woman actually said well, I'm very successful. My husband died. I
02:12:44 sell people have a lot of money and so it was a way of getting my property because I
02:12:52 Mean if I'm not there people can just go into my and take my stuff you see people
02:12:57 what we have done is allowed the system to fester where someone can just wake up one day and say that to you which and
02:13:03 then
02:13:04 The the whole you before the place and even when you even pass the test to show that you're not a witch it happens
02:13:11 I thought we'll go for example. Oh, this
02:13:13 woman who was accused of being a witch and
02:13:16 They went to the baggage camp
02:13:20 that
02:13:22 the overlord would that know
02:13:24 She wasn't a witch. So she was brought back home and they went to still attack her with machete and
02:13:31 They cut off a hand. I mean it was part of
02:13:34 The hunting that which hunters finding a witch hunters documentary that that I did
02:13:39 This is where the process even when the process as a slander a tech so it is just a way of I mean
02:13:48 Taking people's lives away from them and that is the people don't know the stories they think that oh, I mean
02:13:54 It is just a few lost things that happen
02:13:59 No
02:13:59 There are real people who have been to the council who live in the council who even if the rituals will say
02:14:06 There are no witches and they're still even kept there. But I mean who proves who is a witch
02:14:11 I mean, what is that? What is that? Is it who proves? Yeah
02:14:16 So in a court of law, for example, that is that is part of the problem
02:14:21 I mean how in a court of law do you establish that someone is practicing sorcery?
02:14:25 The person is a witch and that the person is directly responsible or indirectly responsible for another person's misfortunes
02:14:32 But you see in a system like ours where you have rampant unemployment and others
02:14:37 The least thing that happens to someone once you have a woman poor woman in there who is a little over a certain age
02:14:44 That person is going to be victimized and even in that one - we are sexist
02:14:48 Because oftentimes you would hear of which is rarely would you hear of wizards?
02:14:52 The wizards are also in there. Sometimes there is talk about them, but it is mostly witches and our poor women are victimized
02:14:59 Yeah, and so you see
02:15:03 That is the reason why I've been saying okay, for example
02:15:06 imagine we go to the northern region somewhere in the northern region and then I
02:15:13 accuse you of being a witch and all of a sudden a wizard and then it will come for you and
02:15:19 they
02:15:22 Drag you to the ritual and then you are cuckoo
02:15:27 All of a sudden the people come and testify that yes, you did something very weird on the road. And so you're a wizard
02:15:34 so because of that
02:15:37 They perform a ritual and even the ritual you will even bear the cost of the ritual
02:15:43 So you pay for that you pay for everything then after paying for it, they keep you there
02:15:49 now maybe
02:15:51 God being so good
02:15:53 Your that's in that assess. Oh, no
02:15:55 It was a way we are still scared of him you kill him. Yeah, what happens you must move out of the community
02:16:04 there
02:16:05 That is what I'm talking about
02:16:07 You see we have allowed it is just someone's someone just opening his mouth and saying that you're a witch
02:16:14 You're with that that ends your life. That is the reason why this door is so very much important
02:16:21 And that is the reason why the people I mean
02:16:24 I mean practically
02:16:28 Practically, you should put their mouth
02:16:31 They should put their shoes like themselves in the shoes of the woman then if your mothers were accused of which country would they do?
02:16:37 Yeah
02:16:41 Yeah, you know I've heard of instances in other
02:16:45 Dispensations as well. I think Vietnam and other places where sometimes and sometimes it is just even that it may not necessarily be witchcraft
02:16:53 You may have done something weird and then they point at you and then your source of living everything even your own family members
02:16:59 Will ostracize you imagine we are gregarious as human beings. We need the company of other people
02:17:05 So imagine someone even who doesn't like you can falsely
02:17:08 You know frame something against you and all of a sudden you suffer all these consequences
02:17:12 I mind you in this country if you look at our social systems many elderly people
02:17:17 You may not be getting a pension even if you are it is a paltry sum
02:17:20 You're already suffering and now maybe even your children grandchildren. Just let me how can we live like this?
02:17:28 And that is how we have been living for a very long time
02:17:32 We have allowed it to be a normal practice. And so it happens. I mean
02:17:37 Anyone anyone can just wake up and tell you I mean one of the one of the most ridiculous. I mean
02:17:43 Reasons I've got someone said I had a dream about I had a dream and in the dream
02:17:50 You are just in my dream not I really doing anything negative to me, so why would you be in my dream and
02:17:58 And then that means and then maybe I connected to the fact that maybe I've been applying for a job for a very long time
02:18:04 And I'm not getting it. And so I think that's oh man. I think you are the reason why
02:18:09 You are the reason why?
02:18:12 My I'm a postprand and so you have to go to the witness car. That is how ridiculous it gets
02:18:18 Yeah, that is how very ridiculous it gets and I've got that I would have to you have to kill this
02:18:25 This and I am I am so happy that
02:18:28 Eventually the MPs I mean so soon led this particular thing and so many of these NGOs also came
02:18:36 sponsors of the bill
02:18:38 Doctor you saw everyone. I mean all the NGOs that worked in this particular field
02:18:43 I mean, I think finally we have given life to the very vulnerable many vulnerable women in the northern regions
02:18:52 Would be ostracized being a particular place that their life will be taken away from them because
02:18:58 And I don't know why the Salem witch hunts come to mind because there people were you know
02:19:06 Brutalized burnt at the stake and all of that. Thank God that now we've got to this point, but
02:19:12 You are who you are you says Jesus Christ never commanded believers to kill witches. Well, we're actually
02:19:19 Not referencing Jesus Christ, though. You have a point there someone passed the comments and I knew where the person was coming from Exodus 22
02:19:26 So I was just using that to counter and even steep it in time and context not to generalize
02:19:32 it
02:19:33 But coming to you prof
02:19:35 There's an important question because some people say, you know as you advance in age
02:19:41 You may lose some of your faculties bit by bit
02:19:45 Depending on what sort of nourishment you've had the life you've lived the stresses on you
02:19:50 Some of our elderly ones may suffer from a bit of dementia in our part of the world, you know elsewhere
02:19:56 They will tell you maybe you are suffering from Alzheimer's or this disease or that disease
02:20:01 Maybe you are losing part of your cognitive function dementia and all of that here you show any such signs
02:20:07 Hey, and if you are poor you are which you are wizard
02:20:12 What I mean that that still remains with us, how do we deal with that prof
02:20:17 Yeah, well, thank you it's it's about education again, I think
02:20:24 about education and
02:20:27 this education has to take multiple dimensions and
02:20:31 We know mental health is a huge problem in our society
02:20:35 there are all kinds of myths and beliefs around mental health and
02:20:39 That is where we need to have education
02:20:42 but
02:20:44 This this this bill
02:20:46 Provides us with a tool to be able to do that effectively and to let people know that
02:20:53 Nobody is criminalizing a belief
02:20:57 You can believe whatever you want to believe
02:20:59 But when you cross the line to to accuse somebody that will result in the person
02:21:06 Losing their livelihoods or losing their lives and
02:21:10 When you are accused is for your is for life
02:21:13 You are tagged the stigma is on you for life and even for your on your children
02:21:18 Yeah, so we we and and as you said
02:21:21 There are all kinds of factors. It's not just the older people who are accused who suffer from mental
02:21:27 Some of the accusers themselves are suffering from mental disease
02:21:34 somebody gets sick and
02:21:37 Is depressed and they make certain
02:21:39 Hello prof I think you're about to see they make they pass certain comments or make certain
02:21:50 Utterances and and then what oh, I think we've lost we've lost prof
02:21:55 again
02:21:58 Prof let's let's try one more time. Can you hear me prof?
02:22:04 All right, so we're getting ready to wrap the conversation I'll start with you Jojo Corbina before I come to prof
02:22:10 Hopefully we can get a bite of his
02:22:13 Francis Xavier Sosu the chief proponent, you know, the sponsor of this bill has said now progress has been made
02:22:21 It's going to go to mr. President and all he has to do now is to give us a cent by way of his signature
02:22:28 so it becomes the law in terms of
02:22:32 Abandoning the witch camps from your group and what you've heard in those circles. What are the timelines?
02:22:38 I how long is it going to take what is going to be done in the immediate term in the medium term in the long term
02:22:44 Walk us through what you know
02:22:46 It will be what I know is that it will not be it will not be
02:22:52 No, I mean when immediately the president signs the law then the bill into law then immediately
02:23:00 Yeah, no, it's not going to be it will take time
02:23:02 We will have a lot of education outreach talk to the people about the law talk to people about it also
02:23:10 psychologically prepared for that there will be
02:23:14 counselors there'll be psychologists there'll be
02:23:17 So it would take time. It will not be very immediate. It'll take some time
02:23:23 I don't know the timelines yet because I mean at this time the
02:23:28 Or the coalition the coalition we're thinking about getting that the most important thing was getting the bill passed
02:23:35 And the bill has been passed and so now we'd have to meet together with the states to even fashion out
02:23:42 I mean ways of facing them
02:23:44 Become I mean expanding it slowly getting the people out there. But one thing that one thing that is for sure is that and
02:23:52 That there should be no new inmates
02:23:55 Into the car. I mean the people who are there will be there for some time eventually
02:24:01 Reintegrated and even if they want to live there for some time, I think that they will still be there and then
02:24:08 Eventually it ends it will not be very very immediate. We'll not just be like switching on the light and then everything
02:24:15 Well boy are we glad that we've come to this point and we also salute you I do joke off enough for
02:24:23 The yeoman's job you've been doing in respect of this
02:24:26 Finally as some of us can breathe easy that at least
02:24:30 These women these men to a few of them who have gone through such a system will get some respite
02:24:35 Jojo, Kobena is features editor with join us. Thank you so much for joining
02:24:40 We also had professor John Azuma executive director of the SANA Institute. Unfortunately, he's left us and we have to move on and
02:24:47 Francis Xavier Sosu
02:24:49 legislator for the Medina
02:24:51 constituency now viewers stay with us because up next we're talking about something that we sometimes take for granted, but it's dangerous
02:24:59 It's a viral zoonotic disease
02:25:02 Rabies is the disease. It's caused by a family or group of neurotropic viruses that causes progressive and
02:25:09 Fatal inflammation of the brain and spinal cord if you don't get treatment early
02:25:14 It could be on the path to disaster now
02:25:16 The Ghana Health Service is on a campaign to educate all of us on how to prevent and if you get it
02:25:22 Handle this virus. We're joined shortly by dr. Richard Sula
02:25:27 Who is at the University of Ghana School of Veterinary Medicine that right after the break?
02:25:33 [Music]
02:26:00 Well, thank you for staying with us on the AM show we talk
02:26:04 rabies now and
02:26:07 We're hosting in the studio. Dr. Richard Suire is a senior lecturer University of Ghana School of
02:26:15 Veterinary Medicine and president of the rabies in West Africa Ghana a local NGO involved in
02:26:23 rabies prevention
02:26:25 Dr. Suire a very good morning. Good morning, sir. Thank you for joining us on the show. You're most welcome. A very humble man. Anyway, I
02:26:32 You know when we think rabies a lot of people just think
02:26:36 Oh, we are thinking of dogs, but it's it's much more than just dogs and people are thinking
02:26:44 Oh, you may have a phobia of water and you may act a little weird. But what exactly is this viral disease?
02:26:52 Rabies, what is it? I'm happy you are starting from that angle because it's not just dogs. Yeah, it is not just dogs at all
02:26:59 so
02:27:01 rabies we say is zoonotic meaning it is a disease that can be transmitted from animal to human and
02:27:08 It's caused by a virus a small gem that we can all see
02:27:13 and
02:27:14 this virus
02:27:16 Virus is this is a group a group of them. It's not just one virus
02:27:21 So what we know in the dog is a classical rabies virus. That is a common one
02:27:26 But there are about nine or different viruses that causes rabies
02:27:31 Yeah
02:27:34 So nine of them nine different type. What are we looking at? And which publication is 14 Wow
02:27:41 so now 14 of them, yes, and and which animals are the
02:27:47 The hosts where it usually I mean
02:27:49 We there is a war is actually the bat the bat
02:27:54 Yes, I know of that as well
02:27:56 Yes
02:27:56 And there is a war is in the animal in which the bat stays and doesn't cause any harm to it the viral states and doesn't
02:28:04 Cause any harm, but once it passes on when it passes on to other animals
02:28:08 It is able to cause rabies and that's why it's will not take because it can be transferred to other animals and then to human
02:28:14 Human it is well human is called zoonotic
02:28:17 But other animals can also get sick the dog is one of them the cats and other wild animals the horse
02:28:23 The cow the elephant they all get rabies
02:28:27 and so all of these animals and interest in one blood all of these animals warm-blooded and
02:28:33 Well a lot of them
02:28:36 Are kept as pets people keep even elephants as pets people keep them as people keep your horses as pets
02:28:42 Keep them dogs as sure sure sure sure so it's it's a very tricky terrain
02:28:46 We're on because the very animals you are keeping if you don't give them the right vaccinations, and we'll get there
02:28:53 Yeah, then it means you are exposing yourself to a certain risk better through very very through beyond these animals
02:28:59 Are there any others do do those in the lizard family because I know people yeah, who sometimes keep
02:29:05 What do you even call these ones the name just Python?
02:29:08 They're not even a python the lizards these are gamma or something
02:29:13 Monitor lizards not even monitor lizards there are these what I've just forgotten the okay when it comes as pets
02:29:21 Yes, do they also can they transmit or host no no no no no they are warm because they are cold blooded
02:29:26 Because and for them to get maybe me you have to heat the world and mark the temperature by which these rattles can survive
02:29:32 And then multiply in that animal okay, so that we were not interested in doing
02:29:37 That would be
02:29:39 So the warm-blooded animals what what usually is the mode of transmission our dogs for example because that is the common example
02:29:48 That's what most people know how do they contract them by?
02:29:50 Maybe a bat or something no, but the virus might be introduced first to the animal or to the human being so you have a bite
02:29:57 from a bat and
02:29:59 The dog is sleeping door or the dog sees a bat on the street and goes to attack it and they maybe and if it's
02:30:05 Ribbit if that bat is having a rabies it introduced the virus through its saliva to the dog
02:30:11 So through a cat may be licking or biting it introduced the virus to the dog
02:30:17 The virus is at in that area where the bite has taken place it multiplies there
02:30:22 And then with time it gain access into the net that supplies blood or that any any any any any bit
02:30:31 That area so it get into the nest and from there is that moving until it gets to this panel caught or the brain
02:30:37 It can't do anything
02:30:39 So the sausage of the virus is to get into the brain and when it gets into the brain then it multiplies very fast
02:30:45 Spread to other organs and start causing the disease and that's where we have a problem because the nervous system
02:30:50 Yes practically holds you exactly brain taste to your heart your heart doesn't just everything your brain dictates
02:30:58 Yeah, it tells you when you're hungry. It gives you signals now exactly if those signals are disrupted
02:31:03 You are dead then you are you have a problem? Yes, but the other thing is that when is in the net the battle is not accessible
02:31:11 Once it gets into the nerves. Yes, we call tackle the virus which grant drag and get into the death
02:31:17 Because wow, it is when you get into the brain is enveloped the brain has got a barrier
02:31:23 So when you get into the brain is in the barrier, it is not possible for you to treat it again
02:31:28 It's covered by the bar. So then what do I know what window for example a dog that has got rabies?
02:31:34 Yes, what window do you have to treat it or a human being who has got it as well when it becomes zoonotic?
02:31:41 It has jumped from the animal to the human. Yes. What is the window within which time?
02:31:45 So that is when we say you have not got the disease yet the clinical manifestation
02:31:51 So from the bite until the clinical manifestation, you have got that window and it varies depending on one
02:31:57 The side of the bite if it buys closer to the brain there is luckily that so for example if the bite is at your neck
02:32:04 Yeah, so you are in
02:32:06 Serious trouble compared to someone who gets bitten on the leg on the leg down there
02:32:10 Wow, also depending on the volume the dose of the virus that is introduced into the bite
02:32:16 So if it's a serious bite a massive bite and so much virus load is introduced into you then you have a problem
02:32:24 So in other words you get bitten by any of these
02:32:27 warm-blooded animals
02:32:30 Don't take the risk
02:32:32 Immediately you report you must report to a hospital for say and maybe get a shot
02:32:36 Yes
02:32:37 You report to the hospital and doctor has the doctor has a lot of investigation to make and then decide on what to do
02:32:44 So you get there?
02:32:50 So you get into you report to the nearest clinic or health care facility and then they would then be able
02:32:58 to handle you as
02:33:00 What is necessary?
02:33:03 and and this of course
02:33:06 creates quite
02:33:09 quite a situation because
02:33:11 Then you know in our in our part of the world most people would
02:33:18 Take such things for granted. Oh, yeah, come on. I'll come here you find some
02:33:22 Antibiotics to take you put some ointments there and you're good to go. But this could this could actually hurt
02:33:29 So they even compound with the situation. They even make the situation worse. Yeah. Yeah
02:33:34 So the people take heads people don't even care what happens they kill the dog and they try to even eat the dog
02:33:41 wait, so for those who eat dogs as well if
02:33:45 You are consuming a dog that is rabbit or suffers or suffered from rabies. Yeah
02:33:51 What are the risks?
02:33:54 Very high because you never know when you have an erosion in your mouth because the issue is those who are handling
02:34:01 rabid dog
02:34:03 Well, you are touching or you are meddling with the front block
02:34:06 So that is where the problem is, but if it's boiled it kills the virus and you eat so if it is properly cooked
02:34:13 Yes
02:34:14 But then you can never tell who has processed the food
02:34:17 Yeah, you never tell those who eat dogs exactly you never tell so that is where the races right?
02:34:22 Let let let me come to Eunice Tia Jagli who is great our cry regional health promotion officer
02:34:29 She joins the conversation Eunice a very good morning to you
02:34:32 Why why has it become so important I mean sometime late last year early this year there was talk about
02:34:40 rabies Massey
02:34:43 Accra and all of that
02:34:45 Why has it become important for us to be having these conversations and even talking about the prevalence of rabies?
02:34:52 Thank you rabies as we all know is a public health
02:34:56 Because it is a condition that when one person has it or a dog has it
02:35:03 Let's try this so fast depending on how it is handled. So it's very contagious
02:35:08 It's contagious because one you know we are increasing the number of dogs we have in our homes and in our
02:35:15 Vicinities and most of these dogs are not being vaccinated even some of us. We have sent so much to
02:35:22 secure the
02:35:23 Dogs, but we don't see the need to vaccinate them by buying dogs for thousands of dollars
02:35:29 Thousands of CDs and you can't spend we'll get to that. Yeah, and then we play with these dogs
02:35:35 These dogs can leak us as a fan and if they are rabies and you have a scratch and it leaks you
02:35:43 You are likely to have the infection if it bites you or scratches you
02:35:49 you are likely to have the infection and the unfortunate thing is from the scratch or the bite to
02:35:54 The period that issue is of most of us don't think we are at risk
02:36:01 So when it happens we take it for granted
02:36:03 But the end at the end of the day when it gets to the virus get to your brain and your spinal cord
02:36:10 There is no return. It means you are going to die. So when this oh, it's a clear verdict
02:36:15 Once it gets into your nervous system, that's one forget about it
02:36:18 No amount of drugs can save you because that's what that's what doc was saying that once it gets into your nerves or your nervous system
02:36:25 It means you are dead
02:36:29 There's no drug that can help so it's at the point of the scratch or bite or
02:36:34 The leak that you can do something to save the situation and as we speak many of us
02:36:40 Let me say ignorant or do not take it serious about what we should do
02:36:45 so at the scratch or bite or the lake you are expected to do a
02:36:51 Thorough wash of the place for 15 minutes with soap and water running water running water
02:36:57 So let's say you've got a bite. Yes, you are not sure so that the the first aid yes
02:37:03 You can do for yourself is soap water
02:37:06 Wash that place for about 15 minutes 15 minutes. Why are we doing that?
02:37:11 We are doing that to reduce the viral load
02:37:14 so if you are able to wash it and the viral the virus did not
02:37:19 Transmit from there to your brain you have reduced it and immediately after that
02:37:25 How do you do you report to the nearest hospital?
02:37:27 So that they look at you follow up on the dog and make sure
02:37:32 They observe the dog for some time while they take you to the needed
02:37:37 Vaccination or action that needed to be taken so it is very important because of the no return at the end of the
02:37:47 Really want any treatment yes, there's no treatment when it gets to that level
02:37:54 So if you are not away and you take it for granted when it gets there, it doesn't matter who you are
02:37:59 That is the end that is it's kind of like tetanus, right?
02:38:03 You know many people get exactly why do you start you take it for granted?
02:38:05 By the time you start manifesting those signals
02:38:09 It means I mean the likelihood of know anything being done is negligible only one person
02:38:15 Since time history only one person has survived from clinical rabies
02:38:20 One person one person you said miss he is only the only person who survived from clinical rabies the whole world
02:38:28 things we know of the disease so hence
02:38:32 Since scientific history. Yes has covered rabies since we got to know that. Okay this thing we are calling it rabies
02:38:40 Yeah, this is how it manifests exactly when it gets to this point
02:38:43 You it's the point of no return only one person only one person up to date only one person
02:38:49 So and that person was put into coma and he was in coma for so many days
02:38:54 And then when he when he recovers from coma
02:38:57 That's all there's no treatment there's no this is so that is literally one one in so many billions yes
02:39:07 Like how many zeros you don't want to take that risk no
02:39:16 You don't
02:39:18 me even when I get a scratch from a nail that is a
02:39:21 first thing I'm going to the hospital because
02:39:24 Wow, and that is so in this instance Eunice. Thanks so much for the insight in this instance
02:39:31 What are the we know the telltale signs?
02:39:35 How what are some of the manifestations when when I mean?
02:39:41 When you might when you show any signs does that mean you are you've reached the point of no you should be bitten
02:39:48 But you should be have a bit a bite from a rabid dog
02:39:52 No, I'm saying that after that once you show any maybe it could be a vision
02:39:57 for water
02:39:59 Yeah, and once you get there it means you've crossed the point of no return exactly why you start showing the signs it means
02:40:06 There's nothing that clinical rabies, and there's no nothing can be done
02:40:10 The doctors have no choice they have to do something, but they know in them that you will not survive
02:40:17 But messy we don't have basically so they put you in the hospital. They chain you to the bed
02:40:22 There'll be no euthanasia of course. It's exactly that is why I'm saying is basically. Yes. Yeah, it's useless
02:40:27 So they chain you to the bed and try to give you some
02:40:31 Listen show you kindness till eventually your make up all your off and you struggle like a dog
02:40:37 You bad like literally like a dog
02:40:41 I've seen it
02:40:42 I've seen a girl when I was practicing as a clinician a girl came in and
02:40:46 the father gave the history that he was bitten by a dog and
02:40:50 We don't have to blend when such a person comes. We just fed the water the moment sees the water
02:40:55 I come at you. You know like the whole thing they become aggressive very aggressive
02:41:02 Very very hydrophobic. Yeah, they have spasm and it is very painful
02:41:09 So that is the disease rabies is very horrible disease will not you would not like to see somebody have it
02:41:15 You wouldn't wish that even on your worst enemy. No, but if you wouldn't do that at all
02:41:19 So that brings me to the point Eunice as the great aqua regional health promotion officer
02:41:25 Have we waited?
02:41:27 Is it because it wasn't?
02:41:29 prevalent or people were not because practically I mean security wise many homes have
02:41:36 dogs cats and all of that, but usually dogs for protection and
02:41:40 A lot of these people I remember that report from Kumasi a lot of these people are not vaccinating their dogs
02:41:48 Very few would have the logbook. This was my last vaccination. This is the next time I have to go for vaccination
02:41:53 Why have we
02:41:58 It may not be so prominent. It may not have it may not be killing people like malaria or something, but it is
02:42:04 I'm saying the numbers
02:42:06 Alone for
02:42:09 The past three years we have over 19,000
02:42:13 19,000 yes over the past three years. Yes
02:42:18 19,000 people who developed to the point of no return. Yes, but the fact is that
02:42:26 Most of these cases are even though reported to the hospital
02:42:32 And the prevalence is so great
02:42:34 unfortunately
02:42:36 When you we started by trying to engage the dog owners
02:42:40 To understand the importance because when you break the chain like we talk about human head immunity
02:42:47 if you break the chain by ensuring you vaccinated dogs the spread reduces and
02:42:52 human beings become safe just like the dogs and
02:42:57 We realize that since the majority are not informed when they are exposed they don't take the action
02:43:03 So we see the need to come out and ensure that people get to understand so the window of
02:43:11 Incubation where you can do something to save the situation
02:43:15 People can actually take the needed action so that they don't get to the point of getting the rabies
02:43:23 Which is point of no return so?
02:43:26 In fact there were so many issues that had hindered them
02:43:29 Publicity and then community
02:43:33 Census ization on this issue by looking at the rate at which we are getting the cases it has become very
02:43:40 Important something that we cannot put on the shelves and sweep it under the carpet
02:43:45 Sweep it under the carpet, so we have to start and we are grateful for you giving us the opportunity
02:43:50 We have done that in some other
02:43:53 Media houses TBC and we are doing it in the community and we appreciate other
02:43:59 Media houses giving us the opportunity to do this
02:44:02 Education because sometimes it might not be you even owing the dog
02:44:08 Yes, someone else's
02:44:10 Actually your children might not be the owners of the dog
02:44:14 But they work in the community and you and I can attest to the fact that we have a lot of stray dogs going around
02:44:20 Even those in our home visitors who come to you and before you realize you are not at home
02:44:26 You have not vaccinated what about you yourself?
02:44:28 There was a case where this gentleman had a visitor the dog attack
02:44:33 He was trying to separate and the dog bit all over him because he was fighting with the dog
02:44:38 If you don't take the needed action immediately to prevent the virus from reaching your nervous system
02:44:46 Then you are in trouble. Okay, so so so we have to wrap this conversation
02:44:51 It's been such good education and I feel we're going to do our best to promote this put it out there in our bulletins
02:44:58 We've been talking about some of these but to wrap up the cap of the conversation
02:45:02 Vaccination for those who own these by the way birds, for example people keep canaries parrots
02:45:12 All of those macaques and all of those can not get rid of it. They can't get it. All right, so so just just to clarify
02:45:18 I'm posing some of these questions so that pet owners will also know. Yeah. Yeah, where do people get vaccinations?
02:45:23 How much does it cost final comments? What's the way forward?
02:45:27 I'll start with vaccination in the nearest veterinary clinic
02:45:29 Nearest veterinary clinic, right? Yes, and the actually is being subsidized by government through the veterinary services. It's being subsidized
02:45:36 It's very available. Yeah, it's very available. About how much? Because I think it's just a few cds
02:45:40 Yes, 20 30 cds. Yes
02:45:42 The whole year yes, but I don't want the dog is protected the whole year. So why do you want to risk?
02:45:48 Why would you want that prevents the disease getting into the human being?
02:45:51 No, that means that even if the dog gets it, yes, it can't transfer it. No, it will
02:45:58 There's one thing that you will not get it will not get it
02:46:00 You will not get six and we need to vaccinate 70% of over 3 million dogs in the country
02:46:06 You know where we are now
02:46:09 We need to vaccinate over 70% 70. So that's sort of like get some herd immunity or threshold
02:46:15 We have actually she met a threshold we have to cross. I know why we are here today. Tell me to present
02:46:20 We need to get to 70% of 3 million plus dogs. Yes
02:46:24 We are at no other to present vaccinated even under to present the last meeting
02:46:29 We had to present Eunice. How can we I mean, you know human beings if you don't push the law
02:46:34 What can we do? What do we do? That's the final word and then we
02:46:38 we believe in behavior change and behavior change has to do with people knowing the facts and
02:46:45 seeing the risk and
02:46:47 accepting the risk and then taking the informed decision, so
02:46:52 Enforcing the law is important but people understanding why they should vaccinate their dogs
02:46:59 and the benefit of the vaccination to their themselves their children and then the family and
02:47:06 Friends, I think will be a motivation for most of them to do the needful
02:47:11 so we are using this opportunity to appeal to all dog owners or
02:47:16 If you have a friend or a family member who also dog that there is a need for us to go and do that
02:47:22 Vaccination even we are doing campaigns for free at the moment. Yeah, there are campaigns going on for free. So get to your nearest
02:47:31 District veterinary office if you go to the private veterinary services, you have to pay. Okay, so that's private
02:47:39 That's right the district government's public ones. Yes, you can go to them. Are you saying that if
02:47:43 I just have to clarify
02:47:46 after that since you're talking about about three million dogs and and all of that does that mean if if
02:47:51 All of these people were to rush and go to the vaccination centers. Will they be able to get that?
02:47:56 We have a lot for the last week. All right. I know we have a lot of us
02:48:00 Available if we are able to use it to be able to secure
02:48:05 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much
02:48:09 That is where our concern is is not in the city. They see the people can afford to some extent I seen but in the
02:48:15 What do we do should we get it make it for free?
02:48:19 Nice way for free, but the readiness to bring the dogs is very important
02:48:28 We have to go so
02:48:30 It's short but it's been insightful on the show dr. Richard suede a senior lecturer University of Ghana School of Veterinary Medicine
02:48:42 Is also president of the rabies in West Africa Ghana a local NGO involved in rabies prevention
02:48:48 We also had Eunice tear jagli
02:48:52 Great our regional health promotion officer with the Ghana Health Service lady gentlemen. Thank you so much for joining us
02:48:59 Oliver Oliver asked for more. Well, we've got an interaction with echo bank at the Pan-African Bank. That's conversation up next do stay
02:49:11 You
02:49:38 We're talking the Pan-African Bank echo bank and it has been running the double salary promo
02:49:44 reloaded since May this year
02:49:47 53 lucky customers emerged winners in the first draw how I wish I had been one of them
02:49:52 Which was held at the bank's head office auditorium under the supervision of the National Lotteries Authority
02:49:57 Well today we're going to be talking about another draw
02:50:02 Well, the second one was in Sunni anywhere over 50 customers were rewarded the final draw
02:50:07 Takes place in August the coming month
02:50:11 Well joining me in the studio for a conversation on this Godwin Yankee is head personal banking at echo bank PLC
02:50:18 we also have Kate Thompson head consumer products and business development also with
02:50:23 Echo back Kate Godwin. Very good morning to you. Good morning
02:50:27 These goodies are there and
02:50:31 Not got to mean that no you're my show telling us all about it. That's just on the lighter side
02:50:37 So this double salary promo I've actually heard of it a number of times on
02:50:41 99.7 FM joy and I've been wondering so so just tell us a bit about this promo. I'll start with you Godwin
02:50:49 Okay, so the double salary promotion is aimed to showcase our our new products the ecobank salary accounts
02:50:58 as you rightly say in the beginning of your intro it started in May and
02:51:02 Next week Monday, which is 31st July
02:51:07 And then the the first draw takes place first week of August
02:51:13 Between between me and now I think we've had almost about hundred and twenty people were looking to have their salaries doubled sometimes
02:51:20 Tripled or quadrupled and then to qualify you ought to be 80 years and above you ought to have an account with us
02:51:28 Either a normal account or savings account or the new salary accounts
02:51:34 Okay, and and then you just keep fingers crossed and prayed that during the draw you'll be picked up
02:51:39 You also need to have your salary come through the accounts
02:51:43 They've been at least within the three months period and then should you be picked up?
02:51:46 You stand a chance of having your your salary triple double double quadruple
02:51:52 Shoot three month period and if I now start it means my ball loss
02:51:57 I feel sad for myself, but for those of you who are already on board it means you still stand that opportunity
02:52:03 But since you started off on that trajectory, just tell me briefly before I come to Kate
02:52:07 What is the ecobank salary account? Tell us a bit about good. So the ecobank salary account is especially designed account for salaried workers
02:52:15 You may want to find a wise allied workers salary workers because other workers will represent
02:52:22 A key segment of our customer base the end salaries those salaries represent stable deposit liquidity for the bank
02:52:29 Who those salaries also entitles them to assess our consumer banking products as you know
02:52:34 You ought to be a salary worker any salary to take a loan a personal loan from us or to assess a credit card
02:52:40 So it is because of the uniqueness of this segment customer based on assessed
02:52:44 Salary of standard working that was decided to also create this unique
02:52:49 Account for them and and beyond the the the product is in a salary work
02:52:55 It also comes with some very exclusive fantastic benefits
02:52:58 Okay, maybe you tell us a bit about some of those benefits and also tell us what is unique about this salary account
02:53:05 I mean, we know of current accounts savings accounts. What is the salary account? Is it different from these two?
02:53:11 Yes, the salary account is very different
02:53:15 And I think as Gordon indicate Godwin indicated it's an account that we bet
02:53:21 basically because
02:53:23 We have customers that we have bank with that has back with that for a couple of years
02:53:27 Right and we took time to ensure that we understood what their needs and wants are
02:53:32 When you take the salary worker in particular
02:53:35 We also knew the circumstances around how they work and what they want at any point in time
02:53:40 So the salary account was better to ensure that the key
02:53:44 Needs of salaried workers are taken care of
02:53:48 Okay, and when I say the key needs for example as a salaried worker
02:53:52 I think you have come here early this morning. It becomes difficult for you to go back to the bank again
02:53:58 However, you have unique needs such as I need to have access to my funds 24/7
02:54:03 I need to be able to save sometimes but then I don't have the time to go to the bank again
02:54:08 And when there are issues, for example, you need an insurance package
02:54:13 All these things have been taken into consideration to create a salary account. So talking about the benefits
02:54:20 It's an account that you would be able to get access to a free debit card
02:54:23 The free debit card you get makes it possible for you to utilize
02:54:28 Within the shores of Ghana and out of the shores of Ghana as well. You also have access to 24/7
02:54:36 Ecobank mobile app you have access to our online banking. E-banking. E-banking. So you have that bouquet in place for you
02:54:43 Then we have an interesting product we call the save as you spend
02:54:47 As you spend a certain portion of that spend is actually kept for you between 1 to 10%
02:54:54 It's kept for you that is put in an account that you can always access the money at any point in time
02:55:00 And for me, I find it very unique because without intentionally wanting to see
02:55:05 You are able to save and therefore and again
02:55:09 We have contact center working with you 24/7 when you need access to any queries
02:55:15 Those are definitely some advantages. I mean that would distinguish from
02:55:21 Let's say an ordinary savings account or a current account
02:55:25 But I see that some of the benefits also include like you said insurance up to about 10,000 Ghana size
02:55:32 Tell us about that insurance and the benefits that come with that insurance
02:55:36 So so you agree with me that life insurance products help to mitigate
02:55:42 personal financial losses should the
02:55:45 unforeseen or the unfortunate happen
02:55:47 So we've looked at it as you said and said that looks salaried workers are basically the breadwinners of the family
02:55:54 So beyond the account we also need to provide them some a bit of protection
02:55:58 So the benefits the insurance cover the insurance policy converts death because I'm an interpreter
02:56:04 Disability we have critical illness. We have hospitalization and we have retrenchment
02:56:09 In terms of the the summer short between for the death and the permanent disability
02:56:16 They can't hold on should offer the unfortunate happen starts to end over 10,000 Ghana cities up to 10,000 Ghana cities
02:56:25 For the critical illness what it means is that should you be be be ill you can you you you start to get 5,000?
02:56:32 Can I see this to help you pay some of your medical bills?
02:56:34 But the key one is a retrenchment one. We don't say should happen but unfortunately life
02:56:39 Happened should be retrenched you you you start to get and about 850 can I see this per month for six months?
02:56:47 Wow, I think that's a cushion six months at least we have to tell you find something else
02:56:52 So largely this is some of the benefits that I'm excited about that last one because I mean
02:56:58 Even in we're talking banking even in the banking sector
02:57:01 Situation and those who lost their jobs that would have been a question that most people would have wanted, you know
02:57:06 But let's let's let's talk now about the salary account
02:57:10 if it's not operated in the same manner as a
02:57:14 Normal savings or current account. I'm sure some people will be asking there are there extra charges
02:57:20 What goes on with the salary account, please tell us about that enlighten us. Okay. Thank you
02:57:25 So for for the salary account, of course for most of the accounts that we have there are some charges
02:57:31 Okay, looking at the benefits that we have what you do, right?
02:57:34 I would say that charges but the benefits supersedes what the charges far outweigh the charges
02:57:41 How do we say we have two types? We have a classic
02:57:45 Salary account and then the advantage salary account where you are looking at a 12 CDs and then a 15 CDs
02:57:51 Those are the fees associated but the beauty is that you don't need to maintain a minimum balance on these accounts as well
02:57:57 So that is what it is
02:57:59 And if you already have an account with echo bank, you don't have to change your account to have a salary
02:58:06 So you don't have to close one to get another one. You don't have you can just open that separately
02:58:10 No, no, what happens is that you'd maintain the same account number. Okay, change the class to a so you just change it
02:58:16 Exactly because so it doesn't have to mean that I have my salary account now
02:58:20 I want to make that one my salary account and change this to something else
02:58:24 We meant it's a simple process same account same account number. We just change the class for you. So it also means
02:58:30 for example, so two scenarios if
02:58:35 Let's say I had an account what I have to inform my HR about any changes
02:58:39 I have to if they've that way my salary account. It means that that is immediately written off, right?
02:58:44 No
02:58:44 You don't have to the reason being that if you already have a current account that your salary was coming through
02:58:49 And you want that account to be a salary account you simply inform the bank and we do that
02:58:54 The same account number is what your HR has and therefore your salary comes to the same account
02:58:59 All right, and in terms of loans, what if the person has already contracted?
02:59:05 A loan let's say with your bank. What what is the procedure?
02:59:09 Are there any limitations once the person is on a facility in terms of getting the salary account?
02:59:14 Okay, so if you have a loan on your current account, for example, and you change it to a salary account nothing happens
02:59:21 It's the same thing because you maintain the same account number. Okay, so nothing changes about that
02:59:26 So it doesn't have the salary account actually has taken into consideration all that
02:59:32 The idea is to make sure that it's as seamless as possible for salaried workers. Hmm
02:59:38 Any final thoughts any final points to share with those who may seriously be considering?
02:59:45 Getting that salary account with echo bank. I'll just say look
02:59:50 Effectively the promo is ended but it doesn't mean that the product is gone
02:59:55 The seller accounts put on as a product together with exclusive benefits still available, right?
03:00:01 We'll encourage all those watching us and listening to us to reach out to echo bank and get one of these accounts
03:00:07 Opened for you and that can be done in three ways. One is to
03:00:11 Visit any of our nearest branches and ask for a seller account to be open for you
03:00:17 The other is also to call our contact center. I'll share the numbers zero eight hundred
03:00:23 zero zero three two two five and
03:00:25 Will help you get a seller account opened for you for those that those who want to do a bit of self-service
03:00:32 Have the account open in the comfort of their offices or homes
03:00:36 They can visit our websites and then use the online account opening platform to open an account for themselves
03:00:43 And then the website is www.echobank.com
03:00:49 Alright any final words? Yes. First of all, I'd like to say thank you to all our listening customers
03:00:54 And then those that have participated in the promo till now
03:00:58 The last one the promo is ending on 31st
03:01:01 July would have the next draw the last draw in the first week of August and we also seen that the promo doesn't
03:01:09 The promo is a promo that is giving you a reason to be with echo bank
03:01:14 But we are saying that the salary account comes with benefits
03:01:17 So after the promo the salary account still remains and the benefits are the fact that you get a free debit card you get
03:01:25 free life insurance
03:01:27 You get a save as you spend product you have access to our digital channels or e-banking services
03:01:33 And it's very easy to open an account with echo bank
03:01:36 And I think Godwin has indicated it aside contact center aside our website
03:01:41 You can also work into any of our 63 branches right and you can open an account. So thank you
03:01:47 all our
03:01:48 Customers. Yes, right Godwin Kate. Thank you so much
03:01:51 Godwin Yankee head personal banking echo bank PLC Kate Thompson head consumer products and business development at echo bank
03:01:58 PLC you know where to take your money on that note. We'll take a bit of a breather. We'll be right back
03:02:04 Thank you
03:02:09 You
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03:02:52 I'm sure you will agree from rabies to the politics to blunt thoughts to prime take everything in between
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03:02:59 Unfortunately, we can't today but we'll try next week to do more of that on that note
03:03:03 Thank you so much for joining the conversation before we go. Let's celebrate a few people
03:03:08 So this one comes through from Kingsley Otu who is here with us
03:03:13 He says condolences to my brother Daniel Obeam pair as the burial service of your mom
03:03:18 Gets underway at the Christ the King Catholic Church. Our thoughts are with you and may her soul rest in perfect. Peace
03:03:24 It's it's also a wish to
03:03:27 From Richard or Bing who is wishing his wife. Dr. Patience or being of the UEW a happy
03:03:34 Golden Jubilee birthday. Okay, you are 50 years old your electorate
03:03:40 UW that is the a jumapo campus. Happy birthday to you
03:03:45 Dr. Patience or Bing and happy birthday as well to Anna now, I'm a noir and crap. We celebrate you god bless and keep you
03:03:53 That's the note on which we wrap up the show this morning. My name is Benjamin a cockle
03:03:57 I've been the Lone Ranger for today, but stay tuned next week. Venice will be back stay for joy news desk up next
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