Former Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry made big revelations regarding 'Cypher'
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Transcript
00:00 We will talk about two or three stories today.
00:02 Very important and very interesting.
00:03 Let's start with this story.
00:05 Yesterday night, almost at the same time,
00:07 an American website published a news.
00:11 Their claim was that this is the same cipher
00:15 about which the chairman of the BTI has claimed
00:17 that his government was overthrown.
00:19 Cipher in simple words is that
00:22 if our ambassador or any such official
00:24 meets an ambassador from another country or from our position,
00:27 then what happened in that meeting,
00:30 he writes in his own words and sends it to his country.
00:34 And if he wants to recommend something, he recommends it.
00:37 Which in this case, the chairman of the BTI kept telling
00:39 that it was a threat.
00:41 And he was told that the relations of the United States and Pakistan
00:45 are dependent on the government's presence or absence.
00:47 The story is that relations cannot work with this government,
00:50 the government of the BTI at that time.
00:52 And if the method of communication is successful,
00:54 then we will see what happens.
00:56 The substance of this cipher
00:58 is very much in accordance with what the chairman of the BTI was saying.
01:03 But is this cipher the proof that a real conspiracy was committed?
01:08 Or is this cipher the proof that a very undiplomatic language was used,
01:12 which should not have been used,
01:14 which both the orders of the BTI and the government of Shahbaz Sharif
01:18 also understood it.
01:20 That's why both of them also objected to it.
01:24 This is the question.
01:26 Let's start with a very related person
01:28 who has been associated with the same foreign services for a long time.
01:32 He was an ambassador to Pakistan in America.
01:35 He was also a former foreign secretary.
01:37 Let's start with Mr. Izaas Chaudhry.
01:41 There is another very interesting thing in this story.
01:43 Before I start the conversation,
01:45 he says that usually the journalist does not tell his source.
01:49 This is true.
01:51 But he does not tell the source.
01:53 He does not tell the source.
01:55 But he does say that someone told him in a military way.
01:59 This is a bit strange.
02:01 It is unusual.
02:03 Usually it does not happen that we get to know from here and there.
02:07 In fact, he even says that no one can tell us that the PTI did not tell us.
02:11 The chairman of the PTI did not tell us.
02:13 This is also a bit unusual.
02:15 Usually the source is not told.
02:17 This also usually does not happen.
02:19 Anyway, let's talk to Mr. Izaas Chaudhry.
02:21 Thank you very much for your time.
02:23 I am sure you have seen the whole story.
02:25 Now I will ask you a question.
02:27 After reading this story,
02:29 there was only a statement before this.
02:31 Now, as a clarification,
02:33 how can anyone say that this is the same story?
02:35 Has the authority confirmed that this is the same story?
02:39 Let's assume that this is the same story
02:41 that the chairman of the PTI was talking about.
02:43 Now it has passed through our eyes.
02:45 Now you tell me,
02:47 after reading this story,
02:49 did you reach the conclusion
02:51 that it is decided that
02:53 the government will be overthrown
02:55 through the method of non-diplomacy
02:57 or did you think that it was a very undiplomatic language
02:59 which should not have been there at all
03:01 and should have been banned?
03:03 There is no doubt that
03:07 it is not clear to us
03:09 whether it is authentic or not.
03:11 But as you said,
03:13 with this provision,
03:15 if it is not confirmed
03:17 that there is a big contradiction
03:19 between the contents of this story
03:21 and the contents of the real cipher,
03:23 which I am not sure about
03:25 because I have not read the cipher myself.
03:29 So, I will only say
03:31 on the basis of my experience
03:33 that many such ciphers
03:35 have been coming.
03:37 I can give many examples of very subtle things.
03:39 Sorry, I am sorry to interrupt you.
03:41 You are saying that I have not read the cipher.
03:43 You are saying that you have not read the original cipher.
03:45 The news on which you are commenting
03:47 has passed through your eyes, right?
03:49 Yes, I have read it.
03:51 You are saying that you can give many such examples.
03:53 Yes, I remember
03:55 when we exploited
03:57 the atomic devices of Pakistan
03:59 in response to India,
04:01 then in between
04:03 11th May and 28th May,
04:05 the United States
04:07 had put up a wall
04:09 with various kinds of threats
04:11 and sometimes something
04:13 and sometimes something
04:15 and sometimes incentives.
04:17 President Clinton spoke very harshly on the phone.
04:19 But, Pakistan,
04:21 this happens.
04:23 You cannot construe
04:25 that the regime will change because of this.
04:27 The history of the United States of changing
04:29 is a separate debate.
04:31 The language used
04:33 reportedly in this news
04:35 and also
04:37 what has been told
04:39 is certainly
04:41 an undiplomatic language
04:43 and can be used
04:45 as an excuse for interference.
04:47 And there is a possibility of a protest.
04:49 I do not want to
04:51 give it
04:53 any importance.
04:55 Okay, fine.
04:57 You are saying that when
04:59 this incident happened in May 1998,
05:01 and then in October 1999,
05:03 the government left.
05:05 The government that was two-thirds.
05:07 Now, let's interpret it
05:09 as the United States gave such harsh statements
05:11 and was angry with us.
05:13 And after a year and a half, the government left.
05:15 Hence, it is proved that the United States has fallen.
05:17 It is not that simple.
05:19 Yes, I am saying that this is not a one-plus-one.
05:21 Because,
05:23 where the United States has intervened,
05:25 just google it.
05:27 America and the regime change.
05:29 Google it.
05:31 You will see that in Latin America
05:33 and all over the world,
05:35 the United States has overt and covert the regime.
05:37 And Dr. Musaddi's biggest example
05:39 is with us in the neighboring country, Iran.
05:41 How the CIA
05:43 brought back the proper regime.
05:45 This is history.
05:47 But, every case is different.
05:49 But, it never happens
05:51 that an assistant secretary
05:53 writes it and it is because of him.
05:55 Later, you saw that
05:57 the PTI leadership also said
05:59 that this
06:01 may not have happened.
06:03 And the chairman himself said it.
06:05 This is true.
06:07 Then, you said that there was an intervention.
06:09 Now, they say that there was an intervention.
06:11 So, is this an intervention?
06:13 In those terms,
06:15 when we used to read the news in 2006,
06:17 we used to read the statement every day
06:19 that our foreign minister or secretary
06:21 said that the statement of the Indian Prime Minister
06:23 is contrary to our internal
06:25 intervention.
06:27 So, in those terms, you say that there was an intervention.
06:29 When you repeatedly say that there was an intervention.
06:31 Yes, that is
06:33 an internal matter.
06:35 An inter-interviewer says that
06:37 you do not give your comments in those terms.
06:39 And the spokesman
06:41 of the US
06:43 is also saying this repeatedly
06:45 that we did not have
06:47 any such intention.
06:49 If this was the intention.
06:51 So, I think that
06:53 this story has become
06:55 a victim of our internal politics.
06:57 Otherwise, the CIFRS comes.
06:59 In that, a very strict language
07:01 is used many times.
07:03 And Donald Due also certainly
07:05 did not say anything appropriate.
07:07 National Security Committee
07:09 also objected to this.
07:11 Sir, when you are a secretary,
07:13 if you can quote, then quote.
07:15 If you cannot, then it is your choice.
07:17 But if you can only say yes or no,
07:19 did you ever feel that
07:21 the officials of another country
07:23 have shown you extreme displeasure
07:25 about the sitting government?
07:27 Yes, sir,
07:29 not about the government,
07:31 but they used to talk very strictly
07:33 about our Afghan policy.
07:35 And you know that their opinions
07:37 were sometimes overt.
07:39 And they used to say that
07:41 you are not playing straight with us,
07:43 you are playing double.
07:45 And we used to tell them that
07:47 you are looking for military victory,
07:49 there is no military victory,
07:51 there is a political solution.
07:53 Like in this case,
07:55 they are talking about our Russian policy.
07:57 But again, with the assumption
07:59 that this cipher is correct,
08:01 then it means that
08:03 a newspaper website has been
08:05 caught by the cipher.
08:07 This is a very unusual thing.
08:09 So, if this is true,
08:11 then only those people
08:13 who have access to the cipher,
08:15 have been given access.
08:17 So, tell me,
08:19 which people have access
08:21 to the cipher?
08:23 So that it is decided that
08:25 the military determines
08:27 its distribution.
08:29 This kind of document must have
08:31 gone to a few people in
08:33 no circulation.
08:35 The Prime Minister is definitely
08:37 included in it, the Foreign Minister,
08:39 the Army Chief, and some such
08:41 people must have gone.
08:43 But two ciphers are made,
08:45 each copy is an original copy.
08:47 And it is an accountable document,
08:49 it is necessary to return it
08:51 or destroy it.
08:53 Because we have to answer
08:55 for it later.
08:57 So, whoever gave this cipher,
08:59 I don't know who,
09:01 he is really a criminal.
09:03 If it is found out that he is a criminal,
09:05 then he is a criminal.
09:07 I think its authenticity
09:09 must be checked first,
09:11 whether it is the same content or not.
09:13 And then the second question will come,
09:15 if it is the same, then
09:17 I think the Interior Minister
09:19 was also talking about the investigation.
09:21 The investigation has to be done,
09:23 how did this document reach there?
09:25 If it is correct.
09:27 They say, in a very innocent way,
09:29 that a military source gave it to them,
09:31 and the PTI did not give it.
09:33 Now, if we agree with this again,
09:35 then to what level does it reach in the military?
09:37 Is it just the Army Chief, DGISI,
09:39 Chairman Joint Chief of Staff?
09:41 Or does the cipher go to a lower level?
09:43 No, it goes up to the maximum CGS.
09:45 So, I don't think
09:47 that the military is such an
09:49 organized institution.
09:51 To leak it there and
09:53 to insult our own Pakistan,
09:55 this is incomprehensible.
09:57 And the last question,
09:59 if it is a former Prime Minister,
10:01 any Prime Minister,
10:03 in this case it is Imran Khan,
10:05 in his television interview,
10:07 he says that he had a cipher copy,
10:09 but I don't know where he lost it.
10:11 It is strange, unusual?
10:13 Yes, I think,
10:15 I don't know what his background is,
10:17 but it is not usually the case.
10:19 Because it is there,
10:21 in the name of the Prime Minister,
10:23 for the Prime Minister.
10:25 So, it is usually kept with the Principal Secretary.