LIGHT Helmets CEO Nick Esayian and Dr. Tal David join John Hendrix to talk about the new helmets approved by the NFL and NFLPA.
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00:00 guys, John Hendricks here of
00:01 Sates News Network joined by
00:02 two very special guests today,
00:04 Nick Essayon from Light, who's
00:07 going to talk a little bit
00:08 about some new helmets that are
00:09 coming up. And Dr. David, a
00:11 sports orthopedic surgeon, who
00:13 has a wealth of knowledge,
00:15 actually a guy that used to be
00:16 in New Orleans. So I'm going to
00:17 have him share about it.
00:18 Gentlemen, how you doing today?
00:19 Fabulous. Yes, definitely. So
00:24 Nick, I'm going to tee this up
00:25 to you first. So obviously a
00:26 big announcement made today
00:28 Light partnering with the NFL,
00:30 talking about special helmets,
00:31 the gladiator type of brand in
00:32 New Orleans. States are going
00:33 to be one of 14 teams to kind
00:36 of talk about it. So look, the
00:37 floor is yours. Tell us a
00:38 little bit about Light and how
00:39 this all came together and where
00:41 things are at right now.
00:42 Sure. You know, the head health
00:44 and safety space certainly has
00:46 had the spotlight shown upon it
00:49 over the last decade or so. And
00:51 the NFL, as well as a variety of
00:52 other organizations have been,
00:54 you know, trying to crack the
00:55 code on, you know, what's the
00:57 best helmet? What's the best
00:58 product? What are the best
00:59 materials and technology? And
01:02 they've done a good job. But the
01:04 challenge is even after, you
01:05 know, the 2022 season, we saw
01:07 concussions in the NFL up 18%.
01:09 And Light took the philosophy
01:12 from auto racing from the
01:14 military to be able to take
01:16 those materials, apply them to
01:18 the football field and other
01:20 sports assumed to be. And not
01:22 only the materials being a bit
01:24 different to spread impact out,
01:26 absorb impact, but to reduce the
01:28 weight of the helmet, reduce
01:30 kinetic energy of secondary
01:33 impacts or head to ground
01:34 impacts. Like we all saw the
01:35 scary to it impact last year
01:37 where he got pushed back. It
01:39 wasn't that big of an impact and
01:40 hit his head on the ground. And
01:42 you know, if you think about a
01:43 one pound carpenters hammer
01:46 versus a two pound carpenters
01:47 hammer, there's a lot more
01:49 energy when you strike the nail
01:50 with the two pound carpenters
01:52 hammer. So the goal was to
01:54 reduce the weight, but continue
01:56 to protect the player. And we
01:58 found a way to do that. The
02:00 NFL has been testing helmets for
02:02 about a decade now. And we've
02:03 seen that trend get a bigger and
02:05 heavier helmets performing
02:07 better in the lab, but not
02:08 necessarily performing better on
02:10 field and with the NFL's help
02:12 and a partner in Canada called
02:14 collide that makes these nifty
02:17 3d parts. We coalesce their
02:20 components with ours. And in a
02:21 relatively short period of time,
02:23 uh, ace the NFL test that
02:26 gladiators in the best category
02:28 of highly recommended helmets.
02:29 And it's the players association
02:31 as well. I want to include them.
02:32 And, uh, we put the helmet for
02:35 sale after it was approved about
02:37 three or four weeks ago. And
02:39 we've got 14 teams, um, that
02:41 have ordered them and players
02:42 are starting to wear them. We're
02:43 starting to get the pictures and
02:44 it's, it's exciting stuff.
02:45 Awesome. And so just following
02:48 up on that. So on saints,
02:50 obviously one team, is it one of
02:52 those things where it's kind of
02:53 like up to the player to decide
02:55 if they're going to use it or is
02:56 it something that, Hey, as a
02:57 team, we're probably going to
02:58 make sure everybody uses this,
03:00 you know, based off our history
03:01 of concussions or anything like
03:03 that.
03:03 That's a great question. So at
03:05 all levels of play, it's a
03:06 little different, but in the
03:07 NFL, the NFL has a very formal
03:10 process for helmets to go
03:11 through a screening, um, impact
03:15 protection that they pass some
03:16 other tests that the quality is
03:18 there in terms of how the
03:19 helmets are manufactured, that
03:20 they operate, uh, consistently
03:22 at different temperatures and
03:23 things like that, that they can
03:25 accommodate that coach to
03:26 player communication. And once
03:28 that's done, each team has an
03:31 equipment manager that builds
03:32 relationships with the various
03:34 companies. Right now, there are
03:35 four football helmet companies
03:37 and those helmets are brought
03:39 into the locker room and then
03:40 players are given the
03:41 opportunity to make a choice.
03:42 Some players like an Aaron
03:44 Rogers, he's wearing the same
03:45 helmet he wore from, you know,
03:47 back in the day, it's an old
03:48 shot helmet, right? And he was
03:50 even an investor in another
03:52 helmet company and he didn't
03:53 wear those helmets. Uh, we
03:55 actually ended up getting
03:56 connected with the saints via
03:57 John Carney. Um, my son, we
04:00 talked briefly about before the
04:02 show is a guard at Cathedral
04:04 Catholic. He's a high school
04:05 guard, but he wanted to take
04:06 his hand at long snapping
04:07 knowing that maybe he doesn't
04:08 get to be six foot six and
04:10 playing the NFL. So he went to
04:12 a local camp and John Carney
04:13 was running the program. And we
04:15 talked to John about light
04:16 helmets. He was enthusiastic
04:18 about it. Obviously played on
04:19 the chargers near and dear to
04:21 towels, hard and the saints
04:23 near and dear to your heart.
04:24 And he made a couple of calls
04:25 and lo and behold, the saints,
04:27 uh, move forward. And we're not
04:29 sure which players or how many
04:31 players will end up wearing it,
04:32 but we know it's in the
04:33 locker room. And the fact that
04:34 it's lighter by almost two
04:36 pounds, um, depending on how
04:38 it's configured, uh, gives a
04:40 player a big advantage as well
04:41 as the safety optimization.
04:43 Gotcha. Appreciate that. And
04:46 Dr. David. So one of the
04:47 things, I don't know if you've
04:48 seen it or not, but take some
04:50 Hill had a really scary
04:52 concussion in 2021. He was
04:54 planning it's Washington. And
04:56 he said there was a 45 minute
04:58 gap where he couldn't remember
05:00 anything. Just kind of talk
05:01 about the concussion. Like for
05:04 those who don't actually know
05:06 maybe about what happens when a
05:07 concussion happens this, you
05:09 know, we've seen it over the
05:10 years. Some of the players have
05:11 gotten hurt, like Chris Lavey.
05:12 It's a big deal in NFL player
05:15 safety's top of mind. So maybe
05:16 just talk a little bit about
05:17 that. I think that, uh, you
05:20 bring up a good point because
05:21 concussions are not all the
05:22 same. Uh, and I think the
05:24 definition of what a concussion
05:26 is, has really changed at least
05:28 since, you know, my first year
05:30 covering the NFL in 2002, where
05:33 you, you, you had to be either
05:34 knocked out or you had to, you
05:36 know, have a, have a episode of
05:38 loss of consciousness to be
05:39 considered a concussion. These
05:41 days, we know the concussions
05:43 can occur with, with, uh,
05:46 sometimes it can be relative,
05:47 what appears to be relatively
05:49 minor trauma. It's not always
05:50 that violent head against the,
05:53 against the field that you see
05:54 with some, some recent
05:55 quarterbacks. But, um, I think
05:58 the key is that we understand
05:59 what a concussion is. We
06:00 recognize it. That's one of the
06:02 reasons that you've seen more
06:03 concussions, you know, since
06:05 2018 in the NFL is because the
06:07 definition of a concussion has
06:09 become a little bit more
06:09 stringent. You also have guys
06:11 that we often say, well, you
06:13 know, better to catch a few
06:16 milder or even absent
06:18 concussions than to miss one.
06:20 And you want to protect these
06:21 players. So I think, I think
06:23 the, uh, it's not always the
06:25 highlight, but most of the time
06:27 when a guy comes off the field
06:28 and he has a concussion, the
06:30 cameras didn't see it and, and
06:32 the game didn't stop. He's
06:33 comes off and has some
06:35 complaints and, and, uh,
06:36 sometimes it's violent.
06:37 Sometimes it's not.
06:38 Yeah. And it was interesting
06:40 because the Saints just play the
06:42 Chargers and Jake Hayner when
06:43 they're rookie quarterback from
06:44 Fresno state, they actually, he
06:46 took a big hit to the head and,
06:48 you know, he was in there and
06:50 then they stopped it and said,
06:51 look, you got to go get checked
06:52 out. And so you get those
06:53 doctors. We see a lot of the
06:54 guys on the sideline with the
06:56 red hats and everything that
06:57 kind of check it out. But, you
06:58 know, with this particular
07:00 helmet and such, you know, with
07:01 the lighter weight, because I
07:02 think one of the things that I
07:03 was reading is that, you know,
07:05 heavier helmets is talking
07:06 about force that kind of
07:07 equation, maybe just shed a
07:09 little bit of light, how the
07:10 light helmets are going to
07:11 actually help to help reduce. I
07:13 mean, or to help impact the, the
07:15 probability of a concussion.
07:17 Well, you know, it's a matter
07:19 of, uh, you, you can't ever get
07:22 rid of concussions in a contact
07:24 sport, whether it's football,
07:25 rugby, or you're not going to
07:26 get rid of concussions. So you
07:27 can, you can basically look at
07:29 the, what are the modifiable
07:30 risk factors? Uh, the first one
07:33 being rule changes. And we've
07:35 seen that, you know, whether
07:36 it's body checking and hockey
07:37 or it's targeting, uh, or
07:39 helmet to helmet contact and
07:40 football. And then the other
07:42 modifiable pieces, equipment.
07:44 And I think that, you know,
07:45 it's funny, Nick can speak to
07:46 this probably better than most
07:48 about how it really hasn't been
07:50 a big evolution in the football
07:52 helmet in, in, you know, several
07:53 decades. And now we're starting
07:56 to understand how important it
07:57 is. So my, the concept is
07:59 you're trying to, you're trying
08:00 to protect the egg yolk within a
08:02 casing. And you, the, the brain
08:06 is, uh, a colleague of mine
08:08 alluded to it once. I thought
08:10 this, I thought this made a lot
08:11 of sense for lay people. The
08:12 brain isn't, um, what you see
08:15 when you, when you watch young
08:16 Frankenstein and it's like this
08:18 piece of plastic, it's actually
08:19 the consistency of soft tofu.
08:22 And it's, uh, it's actually,
08:25 you know, you shake it and it's
08:27 very sensitive to those kinds of
08:29 things. So you're dealing with
08:30 kind of an egg yolk floating in
08:31 an egg white. And how do you
08:34 protect all of the, uh, the
08:37 impact that can occur when you,
08:38 when you shake that, that whole
08:40 construct. And so the helmet
08:42 basically allows you to, you
08:43 know, you have an outer shell
08:44 that absorbs the impact and you
08:45 have an inner shell that
08:47 distributes it. Uh, and so, uh,
08:49 the technology that light now
08:52 has, um, in conjunction with
08:55 the collide, I think is
08:57 extremely unique and the weight
09:00 part just makes sense, right? I
09:01 mean, if you tie a brick to your
09:02 head, uh, it's not going to be
09:05 as protective, uh, just because
09:07 there's a weight point to it.
09:08 You're putting more stress on
09:09 the neck. Uh, and the whole idea
09:11 is the ideal helmet is a giant
09:13 marshmallow on your head. It's
09:15 light and it absorbs material.
09:17 So how do you, how do you
09:18 recreate that? And I think
09:19 that's, I think that's where the
09:21 secret sauce is.
09:21 And just to follow up question
09:24 for concussions. So if somebody
09:25 has a concussion in NFL or just
09:27 in general, is there risk
09:29 increased to have another
09:31 concussion? I mean, is that
09:33 something that's common? Cause
09:34 I think we've seen players
09:35 retire because of concussions,
09:37 like a history of that, you
09:38 know, maybe expound on that a
09:40 little bit. Yeah. Everybody's
09:41 different. I mean, but yeah, I
09:43 think the history, yes. The
09:46 quick answer is if you've had
09:47 one concussion, you're, you're
09:49 now, uh, potentially at risk of,
09:51 of your next concussion. And it
09:53 doesn't have to be, the
09:54 severity isn't really as
09:55 important as we used to think as
09:57 much as the frequency of
09:59 concussions that you get. So the
10:01 key is to prevent, uh, the first
10:03 injury is when the concussion
10:05 occurs. The key is to prevent
10:06 that second impact or that
10:08 second insult where you, you,
10:10 you injure or you, you re
10:12 aggravate, traumatize a brain
10:15 that hasn't fully recovered from
10:16 the first concussion. And that's
10:17 where the problem is. So the key
10:19 now is to, is to, you know, if
10:21 you can, if you can look at, if
10:24 you can minimize the number of
10:25 concussions, and if you happen
10:27 to be in a category where you're
10:28 getting multiple concussions,
10:29 the further apart they are
10:31 generally speaking, the better,
10:33 but yes, when we see free agents
10:35 and they, and we sign them and
10:36 they've got a history where
10:37 they've had a bunch of
10:38 concussions in the past, that's
10:40 usually a red flag.
10:41 Gotcha. Thanks for that. Now,
10:44 Nick, I guess I gotta ask, you
10:45 know, you're a CEO of light,
10:46 just briefly talk about, or not
10:49 even briefly, just expound on
10:50 why, why do this? What made you
10:52 so passionate about doing this
10:54 for helmets and, and, and kind
10:56 of the drive that you've had for
10:57 it?
10:57 Sure. Uh, you know, football, uh,
11:00 as a young man made a huge
11:02 difference in my, difference in
11:03 my life. And, uh, uh, you know,
11:05 it's agnostic of, of, of race,
11:09 color, religion, when it's third
11:10 and eight, nobody cares, right?
11:11 You walk up and the, the goal is
11:14 to pick up those eight yards and
11:15 you, and you work together as a
11:16 team. And, you know, in today's
11:18 society, in some cases, you
11:20 know, there's not a winner,
11:21 there's not a loser. And, and we
11:23 struggle at working together. Uh,
11:25 we also struggle at dealing with
11:27 loss. And the great thing about
11:28 football is it puts you in a
11:30 situation under pressure with
11:32 your buddies that you've worked
11:33 hard with and you go out and you
11:36 accomplish a small goal, which
11:37 leads to the next goal and the
11:38 next goal and the next goal.
11:39 That's the beauty of football.
11:41 The, the, the component that we
11:43 wanted to deal with was to allow
11:45 more people to play and reduce
11:47 the perception that, Hey, this
11:48 is a sport that you're going to
11:50 get hurt. As Tal said, we're
11:52 never going to completely
11:53 eliminate concussions from these,
11:54 you know, collision sports, but
11:57 we can provide a level of
11:59 confidence. We can provide the
12:00 best product available. No helmet
12:03 has ever had as much money spent
12:04 on it as the modern day combat
12:06 helmet for the United States.
12:08 And we basically deconstructed
12:10 that helmet with the different
12:12 layers of foams and materials.
12:13 We optimized utilizing some 3d
12:16 printed parts from our partner,
12:17 Clyde, some help from the NFL to
12:19 put together what we feel is the
12:20 best sports helmet. And think
12:22 about this. If the helmet that we
12:24 sell is two pounds less than a
12:26 competitive helmet in an 80 G
12:28 impact, that two pounds becomes
12:30 160 pounds and your cervical
12:32 structure is managing that. And
12:34 it's also shaking the yoke
12:36 around that that's in your head.
12:37 So, um, I helmets have to look
12:40 cool. I think we checked that
12:42 box. They have to fit well. They
12:43 have to protect the player. But
12:45 the other thing is players want
12:46 to improve performance. And a
12:47 few years ago, talk and speak to
12:49 this players were cutting
12:50 shoulder pad edges off pulling
12:51 thigh pads out, hip pads, knee
12:53 pads. So if I can take two
12:55 pounds off the worst part of the
12:56 body, if you have an NCAA
12:57 roster, or let's use an NFL
12:59 roster, 53 players, I think is
13:01 the number now. Two pounds.
13:03 That's, you know, 106 pounds. If
13:06 my math is right, there's not a
13:08 single coach on the face of the
13:09 planet that would say carry
13:10 these 2 45 pound weight plates
13:12 and another 10 around in the
13:14 Texas heat or the Louisiana
13:16 humidity. They're not going to
13:17 do it. So we're checking those
13:19 boxes. And just by being on the
13:21 field, it's going to force the
13:22 competition to look at weight.
13:24 The NFL PA has been looking at
13:26 weight. We know that in youth
13:29 sports, Noxi, who approves all
13:31 these helmets for play, has a
13:33 new standard for 3.5 pounds for
13:35 younger players. We know that
13:37 products like the iron neck have
13:39 been utilized to strengthen the
13:40 neck muscles, which also reduce
13:43 the chance or severity of
13:44 concussion. And by reducing
13:46 weight of the helmet, we're
13:47 doing the same thing.
13:48 And correct me if I'm wrong,
13:51 Drew Brees came on as a partner
13:52 and he's actually doing
13:53 something in youth football
13:54 with it. Is that correct?
13:56 So Drew Brees was a partner of
13:58 ours for for several years and
14:00 more so in the flag football
14:02 space in the tackle space. He's
14:03 got an extremely successful
14:05 league, um, Friday FNA football
14:09 in America based in San Diego.
14:11 He's got leagues across the
14:12 country. Um, they made it
14:14 available to their players at a
14:15 discount and we're seeing a
14:16 greater permeation of these head
14:19 gear because, uh, they're
14:21 looking at flag football as an
14:22 Olympic sport. It's a high
14:24 school sport in California.
14:25 It's a high school sport in New
14:26 York and Arizona, and it allows
14:29 kids to play at a younger age
14:31 when they're less developed,
14:33 learn the game, albeit a little
14:34 bit different of a game, but
14:36 they get to participate in
14:37 something that they get to see
14:38 on Friday night, Saturday night
14:40 and Sunday night. Drew's league
14:41 has done a great job of making
14:43 flag football available and
14:44 organizing the safe structure.
14:47 And we were thrilled to have
14:48 him as a partner for those few
14:50 years.
14:50 Definitely. And Dr. David, just
14:52 a quick one, and I'm going to
14:54 give you the floor to talk
14:55 about anything else you want to.
14:56 But speaking of kids, like, I
14:59 mean, this is a physical sport,
15:00 very demanding. If I was 10, 12
15:03 and getting a concussion and
15:05 I'm in that growth, like, what
15:06 does that do to my body? And
15:08 versus like now when I'm say 25
15:11 and still have maybe five years
15:13 left in my career to play, you
15:14 know, I mean, is there a big
15:16 difference there? Is it just
15:17 kind of like what you're
15:18 talking about with the yoke in
15:19 the brain?
15:19 Well, yeah, I think there is a
15:21 difference. I, uh, I know that,
15:23 um, there's a higher incidence
15:25 it with youth concussions is a
15:27 higher incidence of mental
15:28 health problems later, most
15:30 commonly depression. Uh, so,
15:32 you know, with mental health
15:33 being such a big part of, of,
15:34 of, of society and it's
15:37 becoming a societal, um, uh,
15:40 discussion point, we're not
15:42 afraid to talk about it. And,
15:43 uh, and I think that's a
15:44 wonderful thing. So yes, uh,
15:46 you gotta, the kids in
15:47 particular, whether it's a
15:48 broken bone or it's a head
15:49 injury, you know, the more we
15:51 can protect them, the better,
15:53 the later in life, they can
15:54 start to develop some of those
15:56 problems, the longer their
15:57 careers can be. So I, I
15:59 personally think that, uh, you
16:01 know, that there probably, uh,
16:03 needs to be stripped more
16:04 stringent rules and, and, uh,
16:06 equipment changes, particularly
16:08 in the youth, youth athletes,
16:10 pop Warner included. So, um,
16:13 generally speaking, just like a
16:16 lot of other things in
16:17 medicine, prevention is key.
16:18 Once you start going down a
16:20 path, uh, there, there can be
16:21 other problems, but if we can
16:22 get ahead of things, we know
16:24 that, you know, screening,
16:25 prevention, cancer, it can
16:27 be the same thing applies to
16:28 the head injury.
16:29 Yeah. I just couldn't imagine
16:31 my nine-year-old or five-year-old
16:32 playing football and then
16:33 having to deal with that. And I
16:34 know I played football growing
16:35 up. I played a lot of hockey
16:36 for 20 years and so somehow
16:38 managed, I've seen stars a
16:40 couple of times, but I managed
16:41 to look out from that, but
16:43 you're right. It's mental health
16:44 is super important. It's
16:46 something that obviously needs
16:47 to be taken care of. It's same
16:48 thing with these players. I
16:49 mean, some of these players
16:50 that played in the past, the
16:52 concussions that happened in
16:54 the league, getting involved in
16:55 all that stuff. I mean, that's
16:56 a story for a different day,
16:57 but I mean, you've seen the
16:58 effects of the concussions back
17:00 then coming back to, I mean,
17:02 I don't want to say necessarily
17:03 haunt them, but you know,
17:04 there's just some, some fallout
17:05 from that.
17:06 Well, you know, Nick,
17:07 on that piece, I think that the
17:10 important corollary there is
17:12 that we, I think it was
17:13 occurring all along and we
17:14 didn't know it. I mean, maybe
17:15 you read about someone
17:16 committing suicide, an ex-player
17:18 committing suicide, and
17:19 suddenly it was like, oh, you
17:21 know, this person, this person
17:22 had a history of concussions,
17:24 head injuries, other issues,
17:25 obviously can play into it.
17:26 But the players now, when you
17:29 talk to them and then whether
17:31 they're retired for one year or
17:33 10 years, they, they, they tell
17:35 you, even if they didn't have,
17:36 you know, the, the quote
17:37 unquote, classic concussion,
17:39 they're, they're struggling
17:40 with issues related to that,
17:43 that, you know, that, uh,
17:45 pugilist syndrome, we call it
17:46 with the same thing that a lot
17:47 of the boxers and the, and the
17:48 fighters are seeing. So the
17:50 fact that, that health, that
17:52 mental health is on everyone's,
17:53 is on the tip of everyone's
17:55 tongue now is good because it
17:56 does bring this problem to
17:57 light. And I think it does, it
17:59 does allow us to have that
18:00 discussion. We realize now
18:02 mistakes were made in terms of
18:04 how we were handling this
18:05 problem. And I think, uh, I
18:07 think because of that, we'll,
18:09 we'll do better moving forward.
18:10 No, I appreciate you
18:12 interrupting me to say that
18:13 that's definitely super
18:14 important. I mean, it's a big
18:15 deal needs to be talked about
18:16 awareness and I love how the
18:18 light helmets is bringing more
18:19 awareness. Nick, the floor is
18:21 yours. Anything that you want
18:22 to say before we kind of wrap
18:24 up and get out of here?
18:25 Yeah. You know, and, and this
18:26 just expands on what Tal had to
18:28 say, you know, there, there's a
18:29 balance of, um, you know, you
18:32 have these young men and women
18:33 that are playing these sports,
18:34 you know, women's soccer is one
18:35 of the most concussed sports in
18:37 the United States in terms of
18:39 the raw number of concussions,
18:40 no headgears worn whatsoever.
18:43 And, you know, is that a
18:45 mistake? I think it is. Should
18:47 the kids be able to play the
18:48 sport? Absolutely. But should
18:50 we be spending time, money,
18:51 research, uh, to ensure that,
18:54 Hey, there's some adequate
18:55 testing for this equipment.
18:56 Virginia tech does a great job
18:58 of testing soccer headgear,
19:00 hockey headgear, football
19:01 headgear. People look at the
19:03 NFL test and they think that
19:04 that test is, um, the end all
19:06 be all. If you have a nine year
19:08 old playing well to re kill
19:10 running at 23 miles an hour,
19:12 hitting a DK Metcalf at 230
19:15 pounds, running 22 miles an
19:16 hour, that impact will never
19:19 happen to that young player
19:20 other than if they're driving
19:22 with their mom on the way to
19:23 the game. So the helmet
19:25 structure is different. The
19:26 type of helmet is different.
19:27 The protection is different.
19:28 The weight is different. So
19:30 one of the things we need to
19:31 do a better job on is
19:32 educating based on the level
19:33 of play, what type of helmet
19:35 and headgear is best related
19:38 to the impacts that occur for
19:39 that level of play. And
19:41 fitment is critical. Um,
19:44 hydration is critical.
19:45 Diagnosis of concussion is
19:47 critical, but there's so many
19:48 benefits to these sports. We
19:50 need to let the kids play. We
19:51 saw so many young people
19:52 struggle after COVID because
19:54 they weren't allowed to play
19:55 sports. And the interaction
19:57 with these young people
19:57 really builds them for the
20:00 next chapters in their life,
20:02 whether they're at work or in
20:03 a family. But there's a
20:04 delicate balance of letting
20:06 them participate, having them
20:08 participate, encouraging them
20:09 and offering optimal safety
20:11 with the equipment and
20:12 technology and diagnostic
20:14 tools that we are diagnostic
20:15 tools that we have. And, you
20:17 know, guys like Tal that
20:19 understand this, that are
20:20 willing to go and jump on an
20:22 interview like this, talk
20:24 about this publicly. Um, it's
20:26 critical and, um, you know,
20:28 it takes courage to come out
20:29 with a new technology, but
20:30 even takes more courage when
20:32 you are in the medical field
20:33 to come out and talk about
20:34 these different topics and you
20:35 covering it today on your
20:37 show, uh, in parents watching
20:40 this is also extremely
20:41 important. Absolutely. Dr.
20:44 David, same thing. Floor is
20:45 yours. Anything that you want
20:46 to add to the discussion that
20:48 we've had, which has been
20:48 fantastic guys. I really
20:49 appreciate the time. Uh,
20:52 yeah, not, not really. I mean,
20:53 I think that the, uh, we've
20:54 covered the highlights. I'm
20:55 delighted to see how much
20:56 this is, how popular this
20:58 topic has gotten talking
20:59 about it, bringing it to
21:00 light, I think is going to be
21:01 part of the solution. Uh,
21:02 companies like light that are
21:04 helping us figure out how to,
21:05 how to improve the, uh, the
21:08 equipment that we're using
21:09 and reduce those, those
21:11 modifiable risk factors, rule
21:13 changes that are being made
21:14 in the league. I mean, I
21:15 think, I think everything is,
21:16 is moving in the direction
21:17 that it should be. And we
21:19 just need to stay, stay
21:20 vigilant, look at the data,
21:21 look at the science and, and
21:23 protect our, protect our
21:24 players and our, and our, uh,
21:26 and our colleagues.
21:27 Absolutely. It's all about
21:29 the player safety and guys,
21:30 if you haven't seen the
21:31 article, definitely go to
21:33 saints.media, check it out.
21:34 We took all the stories
21:35 talking about the saints and
21:37 just kind of them being one
21:38 of the 14 teams to jump on
21:40 the bandwagon as far as being
21:42 able to test and trial these
21:44 light helmets. So be sure to
21:45 check that out. Nick S A N.
21:47 I really appreciate your
21:48 time. Dr. Tal David, I
21:50 really appreciate both of
21:50 your times guys. I wish you
21:52 the best. Thanks so much for
21:54 the time today. And I hope
21:55 you guys have a great week
21:56 and look, hope to talk to
21:58 you again down the line.
21:59 Sounds great, John. Much
22:01 appreciated. Tal, thanks for
22:02 joining us.
22:03 I enjoyed it guys. Thank you.
22:04 Thank you.
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