Vivek Ramaswamy And Chris Christie Go Gloves Off During Republican Debate
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00:00 So in the beginning, we're going to
00:02 show you a clip here on the Fox
00:03 News debate about Ramaswamy.
00:05 I thought this was probably his
00:07 best moment.
00:08 I'll tell you more about other
00:10 moments he had that were similar to
00:12 this and why we think it was
00:14 the best moment for him.
00:15 Let's watch.
00:16 >> You have a bunch of people,
00:18 professional politicians,
00:19 super PAC puppets, following
00:21 slogans handed over to them by
00:23 their 400 page super PACs last week.
00:25 The real choice we face in this
00:27 primary is this.
00:28 Do you want a super PAC puppet, or
00:30 do you want a patriot who speaks
00:32 the truth?
00:33 Do you want incremental reform,
00:35 which is what you're hearing about,
00:37 or do you want revolution?
00:39 >> Okay.
00:39 >> And I stand on the side of
00:40 the American revolution.
00:42 >> I'm going to address
00:42 the Republican issue.
00:43 >> We're going to take control.
00:45 >> Okay, so when he attacks
00:47 the super PACs,
00:48 that is super popular.
00:50 >> For you especially.
00:51 >> Yeah, but it's not just for
00:52 me though.
00:53 Remember that Donald Trump won
00:55 the Republican nomination by
00:56 saying drain the swamp.
00:57 He mainly ran against corruption
00:59 and it worked brilliantly.
01:00 And here's Rama Swamy doing
01:02 the same.
01:03 Now, unlike Trump, ironically,
01:05 Rama Swamy actually has a little
01:06 bit of credibility here.
01:08 Trump said he was mainly spending
01:09 his own money, not true.
01:10 The minute he can get donations in,
01:12 he got tons of donations,
01:13 stopped spending his own money and
01:15 increased rent by fivefold because
01:17 he was charging it to you guys,
01:18 okay?
01:19 But Rama Swamy is largely running
01:21 on his own money and
01:22 some grassroots donations, and
01:24 he's not taking super PAC money,
01:26 which gives him a huge leg up.
01:28 Later in the debate, he said,
01:30 unlike everyone else here,
01:32 I'm not bought and paid for.
01:33 And I'm telling you that's going to
01:35 resonate A, with Americans, but
01:37 B, particularly with Republicans.
01:39 And so I thought that was
01:40 definitely his strongest stuff.
01:42 The 400 pages he's referring to is
01:44 the 400 pages that Ron DeSantis'
01:46 super PAC, either on purpose or
01:48 accidentally leaked online.
01:50 And they had some canned lines
01:52 about how he should attack Rama
01:54 Swamy and others.
01:55 And he mentioned that a couple of
01:57 times throughout the night.
01:58 And so to me,
01:59 that's winning stuff.
02:02 And he mentions the American
02:04 Revolution there.
02:06 I hate that kind of talk.
02:07 I think it's a wink and
02:09 a nod towards violence, and
02:11 the don't tread on me folks, etc.
02:14 And he mentioned it several times
02:16 throughout the night.
02:17 Now, I don't like it, but
02:20 the MAGA base does love that kind
02:23 of talk, and that's kind of a nod
02:25 to them going Alex Jones,
02:27 Tucker Carlson, I'm on your side.
02:30 I'm talking about revolution.
02:31 And I didn't say violence,
02:32 I have plausible deniability, but
02:34 I mentioned revolution a whole
02:35 bunch of times.
02:36 >> Did you feel the same way about
02:37 the usage of that word when
02:39 progressives in the Bernie Sanders
02:41 camp were using revolution pretty
02:43 incessantly during the 2016
02:44 presidential election?
02:46 >> I did not feel the same way at
02:47 all about it,
02:48 including when I use it, okay?
02:49 Now you said hypocritical?
02:50 No, because what we say and
02:52 I say a million times over is never
02:54 violence, never anything physical.
02:56 We're talking about a political
02:58 revolution, and I even explained in
03:00 my book, Justice is Coming,
03:02 there you go.
03:02 Here's the little new- >> Sippy cup,
03:06 Tumblr.
03:07 >> Tumblr, that's the word I'm
03:08 looking for, Tumblr,
03:09 that we have for it.
03:10 Anyways, seriously guys,
03:12 amendments are revolutions.
03:15 And that's why the founding
03:17 fathers put the ability to amend
03:18 the Constitution in the
03:19 Constitution, because you're
03:21 supposed to do political
03:22 revolutions by passing amendments.
03:25 Whereas Alex Chosin and
03:26 Tucker Carlson never mentioned
03:28 amendments when they talk about
03:30 revolutions, they're always
03:31 talking about 1776, and when you
03:33 got to stand up to government
03:35 tyranny, right?
03:36 And that obviously implies violence,
03:37 that's why there's a giant
03:38 difference.
03:39 >> Yeah, and those lines aren't
03:41 typically ones that work when you
03:43 watch politicians say them.
03:44 So he was very specifically crafted
03:46 to do, he didn't say, I believe in
03:48 the American Revolution, which
03:50 obviously harkens back to something
03:52 about America being awesome.
03:54 What he says is,
03:55 I believe in revolution.
03:56 And people are like, yes, and
03:58 we've seen it,
03:59 we've seen January 6th happen,
04:01 we've seen them take arms.
04:03 That would take most decent people
04:04 to say, obviously, I don't mean
04:05 that, but he doesn't do that.
04:06 He then very smoothly and
04:09 with great dexterity goes straight
04:12 into the revolution.
04:14 Libertarians clap,
04:16 three percenters clap.
04:18 The American Revolution,
04:20 grandma goes, okay, okay,
04:21 that's what he meant.
04:23 I think that's what happened in
04:24 that, I think that's very clear
04:25 from Rahm Eswami, he's the only one
04:26 who can really pull those lines
04:27 off besides Christie.
04:28 >> Yeah, we've talked about it on
04:30 The Young Turks before, and
04:31 I think that he's setting up
04:33 plausible deniability.
04:34 And like good politicians,
04:36 he's allowing you to see whatever
04:38 you want to see.
04:39 So for example, when we interviewed
04:41 Hillary Clinton supporters and
04:43 asked them why they didn't want
04:44 Bernie Sanders back in the 2016
04:46 race, the one woman that always
04:48 stands out to me and I still
04:49 remember she said,
04:51 I don't want a revolution.
04:52 I kind of like how things are, and
04:54 that was the Hillary Clinton voter,
04:56 but that's why she lost because
04:58 more people did want a revolution.
05:00 And what they mean by that is
05:02 a revolution against the
05:03 establishment and the status quo.
05:05 So that's a winning line for
05:07 most of the country, but
05:08 also hits the MAGA base who wants
05:10 maybe a violent revolution.
05:13 So they see whatever they want to
05:15 see in that line, and hence,
05:17 not from a policy perspective, and
05:19 I'm really worried about the tilt
05:21 towards violence, but as a matter
05:23 of optics and marketing and
05:24 politics, I think there's a winning
05:27 line for it.
05:28 >> I think everyone's full of crap
05:29 and I don't think anyone wants
05:30 a revolution of any kind, okay?
05:32 Let's actually discuss that for
05:33 a minute.
05:34 Number one, what does it even mean
05:37 in the context of Rama Swami
05:39 calling for it?
05:40 What does that mean?
05:41 What does it entail?
05:42 What is the revolution for
05:43 exactly, right?
05:45 >> Even in the context of
05:47 the Bernie Sanders progressive
05:49 economic revolution, it was more
05:52 based on our economic systems and
05:55 making it more,
05:56 just a little less unequal, and
05:59 more opportunities for
06:01 ordinary people to come up.
06:03 The way that it was sold,
06:05 unfortunately, some people took it
06:07 as, okay, they want to dismantle
06:10 institutions, dismantle the way of
06:13 American life.
06:14 That turned a lot of people off,
06:16 because look, who overwhelmingly
06:18 shows up to the polls to vote?
06:20 It's usually older Americans,
06:22 right?
06:22 Older Americans have a stake in
06:24 the game, right?
06:25 They've gone along with
06:27 the system, they fought real hard
06:29 for whatever they have.
06:30 And the idea of everything kind of
06:32 burning down,
06:33 creating new systems scares them.
06:36 So I just think revolution talk
06:38 doesn't really go over well with
06:41 the American voters.
06:42 >> That's interesting, yeah,
06:44 I disagree.
06:45 But I hear the point that you're
06:46 making, and look, in terms of what
06:48 do people mean by revolution,
06:50 that's a good question.
06:51 But to be fair to Vivek Ramaswamy,
06:53 he did answer it the other day when
06:55 he said I would fire three quarters
06:57 of the administrative state,
06:58 like Elon Musk fired three quarters
07:00 of his staff.
07:01 >> It's so stupid, it's such a
07:02 dumb thing.
07:03 >> No, and that's my point,
07:04 that doesn't mean anything,
07:05 because of course he's not going to
07:06 do that.
07:06 What, is he going to fire three
07:07 quarters of the Pentagon?
07:09 That's ridiculous.
07:09 He's not going to fire three
07:11 quarters of any of those
07:12 departments.
07:13 What, of the Department of Energy
07:14 that runs our nukes?
07:16 He's going to fire three quarters
07:17 of them?
07:17 No, he's going to keep all of them.
07:19 That means he has to fire everyone
07:20 else in government.
07:21 >> Get rid of- >> And
07:22 he still won't make it.
07:23 He's still going to have to fire
07:24 people out of the Pentagon to make
07:25 it three quarters.
07:26 He's just saying it because he
07:28 thinks Republican voters like
07:30 anything that's super extreme.
07:33 And to be fair,
07:33 that has been proven out.
07:35 Trump couldn't go extreme enough,
07:37 right?
07:38 So when I, and to answer what do we
07:40 mean as progressives, what do I
07:42 mean when I say revolution?
07:43 And do we really want it?
07:45 Hell yeah, I want it.
07:47 And what I mean by that is end this
07:48 corrupt system of private financing
07:50 of elections.
07:51 >> I agree with you on that.
07:52 I don't know if I consider that
07:53 a revolution.
07:54 >> It's our entire system right,
07:55 no, that's a revolution.
07:56 Right now, our entire system is
07:58 based on corruption and bribes,
08:00 100%.
08:01 All of our politicians are
08:02 controlled, Democrats and
08:04 Republicans, almost all of them are
08:06 controlled by the donors.
08:07 Well, I hate this system, and
08:09 America hates this system.
08:11 The only reason we don't talk about
08:13 it in those terms is because none
08:14 of the politicians talk that way
08:16 because they're all crooks.
08:17 And American media loves corruption
08:19 because they're the biggest
08:21 benefactors in terms of getting
08:22 the money from political ads.
08:24 So that, but if you told Americans
08:26 you want a revolution against
08:28 the bribes that donors give
08:30 to politicians, you're going to get
08:33 over 90% saying where do I sign up?
08:35 >> Look, I agree with you on that.
08:37 I just think when people hear
08:38 the word revolution,
08:41 there are different connotations to
08:43 that, and I think more often than
08:45 not, most people think of violence,
08:48 right?
08:48 They think of war, and
08:50 it scares them.
08:51 And they don't want instability.
08:54 But I hear what you're saying.
08:55 I just think you got to be careful
08:57 and precise with the words that you
08:59 use when you're campaigning.
09:00 And you got to consider how, and
09:02 we think about this all the time as
09:03 we're making our case in the various
09:05 stories we analyze on the show.
09:07 You have to be very particular,
09:08 and make sure you don't use any
09:10 language that will be misinterpreted
09:12 because people are sitting there
09:14 waiting to misinterpret what
09:15 you're saying.
09:16 And so revolution, I just think is
09:18 not the best word to use.
09:21 But I agree with the policy that
09:22 you just mentioned, right?
09:23 Obviously, we need to get
09:24 money out of politicians.
09:25 >> I got you. Speaking of war,
09:26 though, now let's go to
09:26 Chris Christie's best moment, and
09:28 it was at the expense of Vivek
09:29 Ramaswamy.
09:30 Ramaswamy was the only one who
09:31 raised his hand saying that he
09:33 would stop sending money to Ukraine
09:36 for their war.
09:37 And he's explained before, and
09:38 he partly explained it in debate.
09:40 He's like, basically, I just give
09:42 the parts that Russia is occupying
09:44 right now to Russia, and
09:45 just give away Ukraine's land,
09:47 make them sign a treaty about it.
09:49 And then I'd somehow magically get
09:51 Russia to give up control of
09:52 Venezuela and Cuba, if they have
09:54 control of those places, and
09:56 get them to flip to our side
09:58 against China.
09:59 Okay, and he's going to do that
10:01 while riding in on a unicorn.
10:04 But Chris Christie didn't
10:06 talk about how unrealistic was.
10:08 He went in a different direction to
10:10 attack that line of thinking.
10:12 Let's watch.
10:12 >> They have gouged out people's
10:16 eyes, cut off their ears, and
10:18 shot people in the back of
10:20 the head, men.
10:21 And then gone into those homes and
10:24 raped the daughters and
10:26 the wives who were left as widows
10:28 and orphans.
10:29 This is the Vladimir Putin,
10:32 who Donald Trump called brilliant
10:34 and a genius.
10:36 If we don't stand up against this
10:38 type of autocratic killing,
10:41 in the world, we will be next.
10:43 >> So that was very interesting.
10:46 So he started by attacking
10:48 Vivek Ramaswamy for
10:49 saying that he's basically
10:51 going to side with Russia.
10:53 And then he was strong enough to
10:55 also make it an attack against
10:57 Trump.
10:57 And what was interesting is he had
10:59 the crowd, and he made the choice
11:01 that DeSantis didn't make in
11:02 the debate.
11:03 He had the crowd on his side, and
11:05 he attacked Trump anyway, knowing
11:07 that he might partly lose the crowd.
11:09 Because in order to catch Trump,
11:11 you have to beat Trump, right?
11:13 Whereas DeSantis would make veiled
11:15 attacks against Trump, or did once,
11:17 but never mentioned his name and
11:19 never made the pivot that you just
11:21 saw Christie make.
11:22 And that was the one part where
11:24 Vivek looked like he was off
11:25 his game.
11:26 He was super confident and
11:27 cocky the whole night,
11:28 like, [LAUGH] some people might
11:30 like it.
11:30 I guarantee you right now,
11:32 the mainstream media is all saying
11:34 Vivek was the worst.
11:36 He was the biggest clown,
11:37 the most ridiculous, the worst.
11:40 Why?
11:40 because he's an outsider.
11:42 They despise outsiders, right?
11:45 He has no business there.
11:46 He hasn't taken bribes his
11:48 whole life.
11:48 The way that you enter a
11:50 presidential debate is if you're
11:51 serious about being corrupt.
11:53 Again, you can tell I can't
11:55 stand Vivek Ramaswamy.
11:56 I don't agree with him.
11:57 I think he's clownish.
11:58 But I think that their attacks
12:00 against him is misguided.
12:01 They're doing the wrong attacks.
12:03 Whereas Chris Christie did
12:04 a great attack against him and
12:06 it landed.
12:07 And for the first time in that
12:08 debate, when they panned the Vivek
12:11 at that point, he did not have
12:12 a smile on his face.
12:14 >> He didn't, no.
12:14 He looked like a lost child,
12:16 actually.
12:17 It was the one moment in the debate
12:19 where I think Vivek was really
12:20 thrown off his game and
12:21 it was interesting to see that.
12:23 Look, I love strength.
12:25 And again, I just have a deep
12:28 respect for people who are willing
12:30 to tell others things that they
12:32 don't want to hear.
12:34 But it's the truth, right?
12:36 And so in that case,
12:37 that's exactly what Chris Christie
12:39 did.
12:39 He got booed multiple times by
12:41 the Trump supporters in the
12:42 audience and he kept speaking
12:44 the truth anyway.
12:45 And I respect that,
12:47 that takes strength.
12:49 I like strength.
12:51 I don't like panders.
12:52 We don't need panda bears,
12:54 pander bears, okay?
12:55 We need real leaders.
12:56 And I'm not saying that I favor
12:58 Chris Christie.
12:59 I'm just talking about the strength
13:01 I saw from Christie in the context
13:03 of this debate.
13:04 Everyone else wanted to pander
13:05 to Trump.
13:06 He was unwilling to do it and
13:07 I respect him for that.
13:08 >> So you're a little bit unusual.
13:09 I agree with you on
13:10 the Democratic side.
13:11 Democrats, partly because they've
13:14 been trained by mainstream media,
13:15 like weakness.
13:16 They like civility and politeness
13:19 and losing with grace and humility.
13:22 Republicans like winning and
13:25 they like power and
13:26 they like strength.
13:27 So as much as he's attacking Trump,
13:29 Chris Christie's at least strong
13:31 compared to DeSantis, who's,
13:33 I wouldn't go with pudding because
13:35 that's a touchy subject for him,
13:37 but he's like jello, right?
13:38 >> Yeah, no, put it off.
13:40 >> And his head bounces like
13:41 jello too.
13:42 >> The entire debate.
13:43 >> Yeah, he's so
13:44 nervous about it.
13:45 >> Like moving his hands violently,
13:48 like relax, bro, relax.
13:49 It's going to be okay.
13:51 Just be a person.
13:52 Take a shot of whiskey before
13:53 the debate, just chill out.
13:55 >> By the way, that's how my
13:57 ex-girlfriend won Miss Jamaica.
13:59 Before she stated the answer in
14:01 question portion,
14:02 she took a shot of rum.
14:04 >> Just- >> [LAUGH]
14:06 >> Miss Jamaica,
14:06 she'll live it up to the name.
14:07 >> And then, because of that rum,
14:10 I'm now Mr. Jamaica.
14:12 >> Okay, let's- >> Congratulations.
14:14 Okay, I had to get that in there.
14:15 [LAUGH]
14:16 [MUSIC]
14:26 >> Okay, I'm done.
14:27 >> Okay, I'm done.
14:27 >> Okay, I'm done.