Kent On Climate - Wednesday 13th September 2023
Catch up on the latest environmental news from across the county with Abby Hook.
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00:02 - Good evening and welcome to Kent on Climate,
00:20 live on KMTV.
00:21 I'm Abbey Hook, and in this show,
00:23 we discuss all things related to environmental issues
00:26 in the county.
00:27 How is climate change impacting Kent?
00:29 What are communities doing in the county to tackle it?
00:32 And how can you help at home?
00:34 Each week, I take a deep dive into a new environmental issue
00:38 and I'm joined by expert guests.
00:40 But first tonight, the Port of Dover.
00:43 It's the busiest passenger port in the UK,
00:45 with huge ferries sailing millions of vehicles
00:48 to France every year.
00:49 But now, a consortium has been formed
00:52 with the challenge to decarbonize its operations.
00:55 The ambitious plans could see the docks
00:57 being connected to the grid,
00:59 ferries run by battery,
01:01 and onshore vehicles fueled by hydrogen,
01:03 all to be done by 2040.
01:06 But as Gabriel Morris reports,
01:07 the project could run into some problems.
01:09 It's going to be expensive,
01:11 plus the port could be geographically too small
01:14 to house the new facilities.
01:15 Serving the busiest shipping lane in the world,
01:22 the Port of Dover now wants to become one of the greenest.
01:27 A feasibility study into establishing a green corridor
01:30 of the short straits between Dover, Calais, and Dunkirk
01:34 has begun.
01:35 It was presented today to this consortium.
01:38 What we want to do is really get together
01:40 with the three operators, the three ports in question,
01:43 and experts from within the maritime field
01:45 to develop a technological solution
01:48 that will allow us to transfer the amount of power
01:51 that we need, which is quite large,
01:53 in the short timescales available
01:55 and dealing with all the nuances of the sea swells,
02:00 weather, et cetera.
02:00 And how quickly could this become
02:02 one of the greenest ports in the world?
02:05 So that is really difficult to answer
02:06 with all of these challenges.
02:08 We really need help from, you know,
02:10 whether it be legislative,
02:12 whether it be government support.
02:13 The port handles millions of passengers
02:17 and freight vehicles every year,
02:19 with cross-channel ferries and cruises.
02:22 These ships mostly run on diesel,
02:25 a relatively high carbon industry.
02:27 P&O have just introduced a hybrid vessel
02:31 in a bid to reduce emissions.
02:33 However, the port currently doesn't have the facilities
02:36 to charge the battery-run vessels.
02:39 It would require a connection to the national grid.
02:42 The challenge with Dover is the intensity.
02:44 We've got 13 vessels.
02:46 They're only alongside for 40 minutes.
02:48 And the amount of energy we need
02:50 is approximately electrical energy,
02:52 30 times the energy that's supplied into the port today,
02:55 just to get that into perspective.
02:56 So the port really becomes an energy provider
02:59 as well as a transport provider.
03:01 So yes, space is really tight here in the port, as we know.
03:05 So we've got to put in new electrical infrastructure.
03:08 That also needs to be considered
03:09 in that overall land use project.
03:11 The Port of Dover does say it will be many years
03:14 before the passage turns greener,
03:17 but they hope port vehicles
03:18 will be able to go low carbon before the end of the decade.
03:22 Gabriel Morris for Caine TV in Dover.
03:25 And I caught up with Gabriel earlier
03:27 to get a few more details.
03:30 Gabriel, what's this going to mean
03:31 and look like for the consumer?
03:33 Well, it will likely add a cost to the consumer,
03:37 and that will come from the operators themselves.
03:39 Irish Ferries, DFDS, and P&O all operate
03:43 out of the Port of Dover
03:44 alongside some cruise companies as well.
03:48 It will be the Port of Dover
03:49 who are implementing these changes.
03:51 They're going to have to bring in electrification,
03:53 put in batteries and new facilities
03:55 such as hydrogen trucks to deal with the logistics sides
03:59 on at the port itself.
04:01 And although this is going to all come into place
04:04 by hopefully 2040, they say this obviously will have a cost.
04:07 It's going to be expensive.
04:08 These facilities aren't in place.
04:10 It's going to be replacing,
04:12 I guess you could say outdated equipment
04:14 and replacing it with this new equipment
04:16 to take it forward into the second half of this century.
04:21 Now, it will be spread out over a number of years.
04:23 So some might say actually the cost will only be small
04:27 on the consumer, the passengers travelling from the port.
04:30 But I would imagine there will be some form
04:33 of a cost increase to passengers in the coming years
04:36 as these come into place.
04:38 You mentioned some of those issues there with cost,
04:41 but is this just a really hopeful dream?
04:43 There are going to be some huge challenges here.
04:45 No, there will be huge challenges.
04:47 The number one issue is space.
04:49 Geographically, the port of Dover is a very small area.
04:52 The footprint is a lot smaller
04:54 compared to other ports across the UK.
04:56 The white cliffs of Dover don't help that one bit.
05:00 And this is the busiest passenger port in the UK.
05:04 And it is one of the most important gateways
05:06 through to Europe.
05:06 And we know that the port of Dover
05:08 are considering reclaiming land,
05:11 although not actually necessarily at a moment
05:13 for to increase the space to build batteries,
05:15 but rather for the enhanced passport checks,
05:19 which are coming into place to be able to process,
05:23 have more space to be able to process passengers.
05:25 However, when I was speaking to the port of Dover yesterday,
05:27 I said, well, if you're going to be reclaiming land,
05:29 this could this help an area to space batteries.
05:33 And they said, actually, this could be part of the solution.
05:35 So there are going to be lots of challenges on the way.
05:37 We're in very early days at the moment.
05:39 We don't know too much other than as you say,
05:41 the dreams of the port to have batteries
05:44 and hydrogen trucks at the port.
05:46 - Next tonight, a quarter of the waste generated
05:50 by our hospitals in Kent is plastic.
05:53 And that could be because we're using
05:54 our recycling equipment within the NHS
05:56 may not be safe or sanitary.
05:58 So what is our health service here in Kent
06:01 doing to be more sustainable?
06:03 Well, Dan Wright, Head of Sustainability
06:05 at Kent Community Health NHS Foundation Trust
06:07 joins me in the studio now to answer that very question.
06:10 So Dan, thank you so much for coming in.
06:12 - A pleasure.
06:13 - Lastly, how do you prioritise sustainability
06:16 in a service as huge as the NHS here in Kent
06:18 while also prioritising our health and wellbeing?
06:22 - Certainly, well, it's a wonderful question
06:24 and it comes down to sustainability making sense.
06:27 So through sustainability, we're really looking
06:30 at resilience of the health service.
06:32 So that way we can ensure that we can continue
06:34 to provide healthcare of the very highest quality,
06:37 not just today and tomorrow, but for decades to come.
06:41 That way we can use sustainability
06:43 not as just another buzzword,
06:44 but instead this can really be something
06:46 that motivates our action
06:49 and has a factor in all the decisions that we make.
06:52 - And we heard in my sort of introduction there
06:54 that perhaps some of the plastic that is used in the NHS
06:59 or instead of recyclable, reusable materials
07:02 is just because it's not safe, it's not sanitary.
07:04 We can't reuse some of those key medical products.
07:07 So how do you get around that?
07:09 - So it all comes back to decision-making.
07:11 So by informing and having an evidence-based decision process
07:16 when it comes to deciding what products are chosen
07:20 for what reasons, it means that we can make
07:23 a much better decision when it comes to understanding
07:26 what's gonna happen when this product
07:28 ceases to be functional.
07:29 Can we recycle it?
07:30 Does it need to go straight in the bin?
07:32 In many cases, does it instead need to be incinerated,
07:35 which as I'm sure you've come across is very, very bad
07:38 for the environment.
07:40 So instead, one, it's a case of understanding
07:43 how can a product be better designed and better procured
07:47 to ensure it has a longer life
07:49 and can be usable for longer.
07:51 And also, in some instances,
07:54 products do need to be disposable.
07:56 How can we ensure that we're disposing of them
07:59 in the right way to make sure they are recycled
08:02 and can be reused within a circular economy sort of format?
08:07 Do you see a lot of sort of plastic then at the NHS
08:11 wasted and thrown away?
08:11 We heard that 25% and that's of hospitals waste in the UK.
08:16 How much of that do you see that is being thrown away?
08:19 How much of a change I suppose have you seen
08:21 in the last few years of actually bringing in
08:23 more reusable, recyclable products?
08:27 So post pandemic, we, as you might have come across the NHS,
08:32 still continuing to have that legacy of a pandemic mindset.
08:36 So there are many processes that we still have in place
08:39 which are based on that quick action
08:42 that needed to take place
08:43 to ensure that everything was sanitary, everything was safe.
08:46 One of those processes was ensuring
08:47 that mask changes were much more frequent,
08:51 glove changes much more frequent,
08:53 and that generates a lot of waste.
08:55 And especially many of the masks, many of the gloves
08:58 were being thrown through a clinical waste processing route,
09:01 which is a lot more intensive
09:04 when it comes to the energy requirement to dispose of
09:07 compared to an alternative,
09:08 perhaps not using a one use plastic,
09:11 but instead there's lots of excellent work
09:13 going on up North around washable face masks
09:18 as opposed to disposable face masks.
09:20 And suddenly you have masks that can be used 50, 100 times,
09:23 which has a benefit for the pocket
09:26 and also a benefit for the environment as well.
09:28 And something we've probably all got knocking about
09:30 in our attic is crutches.
09:32 You know, you've been to the hospital,
09:33 you sprained your ankle, you've hurt your ankle,
09:35 and you take a crutch home
09:36 and whether that gets returned or not
09:38 sometimes is a question in itself,
09:40 but you've actually worked on a scheme
09:41 to reuse these crutches.
09:44 Certainly, so this is one that Shirley Rashid and her team,
09:47 so Shirley is our clinical lead for occupational therapists
09:50 at Kent Community Health NHS Foundation Trust.
09:53 And she piloted a project
09:55 together with the integrated care board,
09:58 NHS Kent Medway, that looked at instead of each time
10:02 you needed some crutches, a crutch, let's say,
10:05 needing to buy that fresh from a supplier,
10:08 instead to have a supply in-house
10:11 that could then be lent out instead
10:14 with the communications, with the understanding
10:17 from the patient that if we can get it back,
10:20 this would be great because then we can clean it,
10:22 we can recondition it, and we can use it again
10:24 for the next patient.
10:25 And that's been extremely successful.
10:27 So Shirley's nominated for a prize on that work
10:31 because it's, again, it's sustainability makes sense
10:34 because it's money that is invested
10:37 and then money that is recouped
10:39 because you don't have to buy it new again.
10:40 We've invested that money up front
10:42 and then we can get the savings that we achieved
10:45 from not buying again and again and again and again.
10:48 Amazing, and just very, very quickly,
10:51 something else you're doing,
10:52 solar panels at Deel Hospital.
10:54 We've not got long at all,
10:55 but tell me a little bit about that.
10:56 Certainly, so solar is a huge one for us as a trust
11:00 and a huge one for the NHS.
11:01 Mostly because we look at how solar
11:03 can make buildings more resilient.
11:05 Solar is an aspect that we've covered Deel Hospital.
11:10 So Victoria Hospital over at Deel
11:12 is now covered as much as we can
11:13 because we know that if we can generate more on-site,
11:17 it means we're not so reliant on the grid,
11:19 which is absolutely perfect for should anything happen,
11:23 we want to be a resilient service.
11:24 Amazing, Dan, thank you so much for your time.
11:26 Very interesting topic to talk about.
11:28 I'm sure we can talk about that in more detail
11:29 in Ken on Climate episodes to come.
11:31 Thank you so much for your time.
11:32 Thank you.
11:33 Now, just before we take a quick break,
11:35 it's time for Kent's Climate Conundrum of the Week.
11:38 How much does the health service contribute
11:51 to total UK carbon emissions?
11:54 Find out the answer after this very short break.
11:56 See you then.
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15:07 - Hello there and welcome back to Kent on Climate
15:12 live on KMTV.
15:14 Now just before the break,
15:15 I asked you Kent's climate conundrum of the week.
15:18 I asked how much does the health service contribute
15:21 to total UK carbon emissions?
15:24 Well, what do you think?
15:25 Did you get it right?
15:25 Well, you would be right if you said between four and 5%.
15:30 According to the British Medical Association,
15:32 the health service contributes around four to 5%
15:35 of total UK carbon emissions.
15:37 NHS England alone in fact is responsible for 40%
15:41 of the public sector's emissions.
15:43 Well, that's this week's Kent climate conundrum.
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15:49 Did you get it right this week?
15:58 Be sure to let us know on social media.
16:00 Next, a threat to public health.
16:02 That's how the campaign group SOS Whitstable
16:05 has described the discharge of sewage into the sea.
16:08 It comes as a government watchdog has found regulators
16:11 may have breached environmental laws surrounding
16:14 the discharge of sewage water
16:16 outside of exceptional circumstances.
16:19 Such discharges are only meant to take place
16:21 after periods of unusually heavy rainfall.
16:24 That's to prevent flooding.
16:26 Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
16:29 says it's taking comprehensive action
16:31 to tackle the volume of sewage being discharged.
16:34 But some in Kent say action needs to be taken now.
16:37 First of all, there's a harm to public health.
16:40 And I would include mental health in that as well
16:42 with open water swimming and cold water swimming
16:44 having had such a positive impact on community
16:48 and people's kind of ability
16:49 to get access to nature for free.
16:51 Secondarily, I think Whitstable's definitely suffered
16:55 a kind of reputational damage from the sewage releases
16:58 and that's affected our local economy.
16:59 So especially the oysters and fisheries industry,
17:02 which are really struggling to,
17:04 well, having to spend a huge amount of money additionally
17:07 to kind of make sure that oysters are clean and safe to eat.
17:10 And finally, it's a bit more difficult to track,
17:12 but there's a biodiversity impact
17:14 to ecosystems under the water.
17:16 Next tonight, Kent wildlife charities
17:19 are celebrating a year since a baby bison was born in Bleen.
17:23 And in fact, the first of her kind born here
17:25 in thousands of years.
17:27 It's part of Kent Wildlife Trust
17:29 and Wildwood Trust's rewilding project.
17:32 They brought bison to Canterbury
17:33 as nature's very own engineers.
17:35 There are now five bison in West Bleen and Thorndon Woods,
17:38 including the surprise edition this time last year.
17:41 I spoke to Paul Whitfill,
17:42 the director general of Wildwood Trust on Kent tonight
17:45 on the baby bison's birthday.
17:47 The idea was always to form this sort of,
17:50 this new breeding herd of bison within the Bleen woodland.
17:54 And so we brought in two young females,
17:57 an older female and a bull to do that.
17:59 But we had a lucky surprise
18:02 that one of the young females that came in
18:04 was actually pregnant with this absolutely beautiful calf.
18:07 Sort of beaten to the mark already.
18:09 You had your sort of breeding and population of them
18:12 as it began.
18:13 Now remind us why the bison are so special in particular.
18:16 I mentioned they're nature's engineers.
18:18 What does that mean?
18:19 Yeah, absolutely.
18:21 I mean, if you look at the size of them and their horns
18:24 and that really thick fur that they've got,
18:26 just by moving through the woodlands
18:29 and browsing and eating as they do naturally,
18:33 they change the environment around them.
18:35 So they create gaps within thick woodland
18:39 that allows the light to reach the ground.
18:42 They eat things like bracken and brambles.
18:45 They trash rhododendrons.
18:47 They ring bark some trees,
18:49 which creates standing deadwood,
18:51 which is perfect for insects and bats and woodpeckers.
18:54 So they create these dust beds,
18:56 dust sort of bowls where they roll around in the dust.
18:59 And everything that they do in that way
19:02 creates little niches and little spaces,
19:05 little tiny micro habitats.
19:06 That's what other species need.
19:09 And so just by living in the woods,
19:11 they create complexity and space
19:12 for thousands of other species to thrive
19:15 and to really expand and become abundant
19:18 within the bleen woodland.
19:19 - Now, what's it been like watching this baby?
19:21 You have to tell me its name as well.
19:23 I don't know what it's called,
19:24 but what's it been like watching it over the past year
19:27 grow up in this environment
19:29 it knows no other environment, I suppose?
19:32 - Yeah, it's actually been really wonderful
19:35 to watch her sort of grow and develop.
19:38 You know, I've got loads of photographs of her
19:40 also all through the year
19:42 as she sort of slightly changed colour
19:45 and her little horns have grown.
19:46 She's got quite a good little set of horns on her now
19:49 and it's started out with just little nubs
19:50 that you could see growing.
19:52 And it's just been, yeah,
19:53 wonderful to watch her grow and develop.
19:56 But what's amazing is, as you said,
19:58 she's the first bison born in a wild situation
20:02 in this country for literally thousands of years.
20:05 So she's not had any treatments.
20:09 She's not been fed anything artificial.
20:11 Everything she's eating is what her mum
20:14 and the other females are showing her
20:15 what to eat out in the woods.
20:17 So she's got the most natural organic diet in the universe.
20:20 It's exactly as it should be.
20:23 And so the fact that she's thriving
20:25 and a year on is so strong and healthy,
20:27 it's just wonderful to see.
20:28 It really is amazing.
20:30 But in terms of names,
20:31 we took a decision not to name any of the bison
20:34 out in the project.
20:35 They're supposed to be as wild as they can possibly be.
20:38 So we didn't name them.
20:40 Some local people have nicknamed the calf Liz
20:43 because of when she was born
20:44 just after the passing away of the queen.
20:47 But she officially has no name.
20:50 Amazing.
20:50 And very, very quickly, we don't have long left.
20:52 Are there any more baby bison coming our way?
20:56 Oh, we hope so.
20:58 They're very good at hiding the fact that they're pregnant,
21:01 hence us not knowing that one of the females
21:03 was pregnant when she arrived.
21:04 So we could be having the arrival of baby bison
21:07 any time now, or we might be waiting till next year.
21:09 It's very exciting waiting to see.
21:12 But they will absolutely be breeding out there
21:14 and creating a bigger family herd.
21:16 Liz, the baby bison there, how interesting.
21:19 Next tonight, littering fines have amounted
21:21 to more than 4,000 pounds in Medway.
21:24 Together, 17 people were fined 4,318 pounds
21:28 for failing to pay fixed penalty notices for littering.
21:32 The offences took place between January
21:34 and February this year.
21:35 The Environmental Protection Act allows officers
21:38 to issue these fixed penalty notices
21:40 on any land the public has access to.
21:43 Medway's council's litter enforcement agents
21:45 patrol the high streets, green spaces like these on screen,
21:48 supermarket car parks, and other areas
21:51 which have high levels of littering.
21:53 Councillor Tris Osborne, Medway's council's
21:55 portfolio holder for covering enforcement,
21:58 said we won't let the small minority of people
22:00 ruin the hard work others put in to keep Medway tidy.
22:04 And they'll continue to issue fines to anybody
22:06 who is caught littering in Medway.
22:07 Next, rejected recycling in Maidstone
22:11 has cost taxpayers in Kent 25,000 pounds
22:15 in two months, according to the council.
22:18 Maidstone Borough Council say if their refuge collectors
22:20 can see the wrong materials in green recycling bins,
22:23 they will not empty them.
22:25 They're leaving red stickers like this on bins,
22:27 which mean the crews have not emptied it
22:29 as your waste is contaminated.
22:31 They say dirty nappies, black sacks, and plastic bags
22:34 are the most common items.
22:35 Residents are urged to throw them into the main household
22:38 black bin for items that cannot be recycled.
22:41 Food waste is also a big problem in the area,
22:43 as it needs to go in the separate food bin
22:45 for weekly collection.
22:46 Now, we're sadly out of that sunny September spell
22:50 that prompted a UK-wide heat health alert too.
22:53 It seems autumn is in full swing,
22:55 so let's take a look at the next few days for us in Kent.
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23:01 Looking fairly mild this evening,
23:06 highs of 16 in Dover, lows of 13 by Tunbridge Wells.
23:10 Tomorrow morning, a bit of sunshine, highs of 19.
23:13 A mix of cloud, lows of 18 by 4 p.m. in the afternoon,
23:18 warming up to 23 in Chatham and Dartford.
23:21 A bit of cloud though, a mix.
23:23 And the next few days look like this,
23:25 spots of rain on Saturday and Sunday across the county,
23:28 a mix of sun and cloud too.
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23:33 Well, I'm pleased to say joining me on the line now
23:40 is Stephen Wall, a Kent weather specialist.
23:42 Thank you so much for joining me, Stephen.
23:45 It's certainly not looking as sunny
23:47 as it was a couple of days ago.
23:49 We fully back into autumn now?
23:51 - We are, just for a couple of days,
23:54 but it's still warmer than average.
23:56 I think even today, we still managed 21 or 22,
23:58 and the average should now be around about 17 or 18.
24:01 So not as hot, but yeah, still quite warm.
24:05 - And I wanted to ask you the reason
24:06 why we saw this hot weather.
24:08 It was all the talk about the jet stream.
24:10 Can you very briefly explain what that is to us?
24:13 - Yeah, really briefly.
24:14 So it's a parcel of air.
24:16 It's where the polar maritime
24:18 and the tropical maritime air masses meet
24:21 about nine kilometres high,
24:23 and they get steered sort of by the Coriolis effect
24:26 around the Northern hemisphere,
24:27 and they steer all the areas of low pressure.
24:30 And yet last week, the jet stream was a long way
24:33 to the North and a long way to the South.
24:35 And if you can imagine high pressure like pebbled
24:37 in a stream just stopped all the fronts coming over,
24:39 and we just got hotter and hotter.
24:42 - Many say that these fluctuations
24:44 can actually be fairly normal.
24:46 Temperatures and weather patterns differ over the years.
24:50 We saw sort of weather similar to this years and years ago.
24:54 So actually, perhaps it's not so much of a shock
24:57 that actually this isn't different
25:00 to what our climate should be doing.
25:02 - No, in fact, looking back at the records,
25:05 the warmest ever September day was back in 1906.
25:09 It's like 35.6.
25:11 So we have had these spells of very hot weather in the past.
25:14 And you've got to think we're only a few sort of a week
25:17 or two out of August.
25:18 So yeah, we've just slipped into September.
25:20 So yeah, it is, you know, it's fairly common,
25:25 but I think just the longevity of this one
25:27 was a little bit normal than what we would normally expect.
25:30 So yeah, that's what kind of made it
25:33 a bit noteworthy this one.
25:35 - And I think that longevity is also
25:36 what prompted this heat health alert.
25:38 We saw those records break for those consecutive few days
25:41 that we had sort of temperatures in the 30s.
25:44 How much danger were we actually in your opinion
25:48 of the temperatures on us as sort of as humans?
25:51 What temperature could we get to
25:52 before it really is life threatening?
25:56 - I think it depends on the individuals.
25:58 Most normal, healthy, fit people wouldn't, you know,
26:02 wouldn't be affected by it.
26:03 I think we all know our own sort of thresholds
26:05 when we start to feel uncomfortable
26:08 and you know, and unwell,
26:09 but it's a different story for, you know, the vulnerable.
26:12 So that's your elderly people, people in hospitals,
26:15 you know, on ventilators and things like that.
26:17 That's where, you know,
26:19 this really does start to affect them.
26:20 And this is where these, you know, these alerts,
26:23 they're really targeted at, you know, at those people.
26:27 - And very, very quickly, any more heat waves coming?
26:29 - Well, yeah, this weekend is looking a bit warmer again.
26:35 We could be getting up to around about 27,
26:37 possibly 28 degrees again, just over Saturday.
26:40 But I think by Sunday,
26:42 the next sort of push of sort of unset weather
26:45 will be coming in.
26:46 And this could mean going bang
26:47 with a few thunderstorms later on Sunday.
26:49 - Thank you for your time today, Stephen.
26:51 Sorry, we've run out of time on Kenton Climate.
26:53 See you again next week.
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