"Hum chand par isliye nahi pohnche kyukay hum ny chand charhaye hain Pakistan par...," Ather Kazmi
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00:00 We are used to writing the book ourselves.
00:03 We are used to making assumptions.
00:05 We sometimes expect this, sometimes we expect that.
00:08 We are talking about things like we are sitting in South Sudan,
00:11 there is no mirror, there is no food war,
00:14 there is a problem, what is the neighbouring country doing?
00:16 There is no such thing.
00:18 50 years ago our elders had settled some principles.
00:22 It is so difficult that why should we go for something new?
00:25 That Chief Justice will give us this, he cannot give us anything.
00:29 The law that is there, the one that our elders, the politicians gave to this country,
00:34 we should make it work.
00:36 How will that happen?
00:37 No, Mr. Bhandayal will say while leaving that the court has been disrespected.
00:41 With due respect, sir what did you do to stop that disrespect?
00:45 Okay, the 17 judges who were sitting that day,
00:48 they did not let us speak a second time.
00:51 The judges were fighting the case,
00:55 and the kind of attitude they had, they did not let us speak.
00:59 If in every case the full court is made, nothing will work here.
01:02 We need full commitment,
01:05 with the law and the constitution, whether it is of the political parties or the media.
01:08 Okay, let us discuss this.
01:10 If you want to follow the law and the constitution,
01:12 it is not possible that two political parties give up
01:16 and say, keep the law and the constitution aside,
01:19 and deal with us.
01:21 It always happens that one party stays in the opposition,
01:24 and two parties make their own game.
01:26 But only the political parties.
01:28 No, the political parties have also given up.
01:30 I have always said that my expectation is from the political parties,
01:35 that if this law is enforced,
01:38 the way you heard the discussion in this parliament against the court in the last 16 months,
01:43 you saw the legislation,
01:46 you passed a law against the disrespect of the parliament.
01:50 Why don't you do the same for the constitution?
01:52 No, that is the issue.
01:54 If everyone says, there will be a law that says the constitution.
01:57 It is an easy way.
01:58 Why don't you say?
01:59 We don't say because of our interests.
02:01 Power game?
02:02 Exactly, it is a power game.
02:04 But the problem is that the whole world is in a power game.
02:07 But there is no principle compromise in the world.
02:09 What we used to say here,
02:11 we used to say that we cannot get elections in two provinces.
02:14 Because God knows what will happen,
02:17 elections are not happening in Wafaaq.
02:19 Today it is happening in Gujarat, tomorrow in Punjab,
02:22 day after tomorrow in UP,
02:24 after that in Nagaland.
02:25 Every state has its own.
02:27 This is Wafaaq.
02:28 Sir, the argument is different.
02:30 They have reached the moon,
02:32 or they have reached the default.
02:33 There is a big difference.
02:34 The argument that is given to us,
02:36 that we don't have money.
02:38 Why didn't we reach the moon?
02:39 We didn't reach the moon because we have climbed the moon in Pakistan.
02:42 If we had followed the law,
02:44 we would have at least been able to see the moon.
02:47 If we had reached there,
02:49 we would have seen it.
02:50 No, our Mullahs have seen it.
02:51 No, not everyone can see it at one time.
02:53 Some can see it, some cannot.
02:54 The issue is that we are back to basics.
02:57 We blame the politicians a lot,
02:59 that the politicians are bad, this is this, that is that.
03:01 But the shoulders that come forward and backward,
03:03 those shoulders should also be relaxed.
03:05 Everyone has their own role,
03:07 whether it is Adaliya.
03:08 Why will the shoulders relax themselves?
03:10 If you yourself go and be a politician,
03:13 then that system will continue.
03:15 Sir, I am asking you an argument.
03:17 You are answering me that I have a right,
03:19 which I have been exercising for many years.
03:22 Why would I give it up?
03:24 You have to take it away.
03:26 The problem is that with change,
03:28 you have to evolve with it.
03:31 If you don't evolve, then you are finished.
03:34 Whether it is the political party,
03:35 whether it is the state,
03:36 whatever it is.
03:37 The era we are going through now,
03:39 this is the course correction that should be done in the country in the 1990s.
03:44 If a leader had stood up in that era,
03:46 and taken a stance,
03:48 believe me, we would not be having this debate today.
03:50 And this course correction,
03:51 we don't need to go too far.
03:52 You look at your region, you look at Taiwan,
03:54 look ahead and look behind.
03:55 You will find many such examples.
03:57 So, the politicians have to decide,
03:58 the Adaliyas have to decide,
03:59 everyone has to decide what to do.
04:02 Law and the constitution, back to basics.
04:04 Don't force it.
04:05 By the way, the small thing about this is that,
04:06 I will take a break.
04:07 Yes, this is about the shoulders.
04:09 When two parties, after Ghalam Guloch,
04:11 and then the Saqib democracy,
04:12 realized that instead of using their shoulders,
04:15 they are trying to make decisions.
04:17 So, they created a Khilendra, a Ladla,
04:21 in the form of a crowd,
04:22 and destroyed Pakistan.
04:23 They brought him,
04:24 and he still doesn't believe that you can take back your love from me.
04:28 He still wants the same.
04:29 He didn't believe it before,
04:30 he got his love back,
04:31 he will give it back.
04:32 No, no, I am saying,
04:33 if he understands,
04:34 he will put a Ladla.
04:35 That is the thing.
04:36 You will have to bring,
04:37 Aditya Bose,
04:38 Aditya Bose,
04:39 and everyone else.
04:40 The military,
04:41 everyone,
04:42 everyone will have to bring him.
04:43 Listen, listen,
04:44 I agree with you,
04:45 I agree with you,
04:46 what happened in the last five years?
04:48 The anger of Mr. Mian was also the same,
04:50 that you will bring him and leave me.
04:52 And when the matter was decided,
04:54 then there was a discussion on No Comment.
04:55 This is acceptance.
04:56 No, no,
04:57 this is our...
04:58 No, no, no,
04:59 this is not that simple.
05:00 This is so simple, sir.
05:01 No, no, no,
05:02 when in 2014,
05:03 a candidate came,
05:04 and you put protests on him.
05:05 You did wrong.
05:06 And the audio of that protest,
05:07 should be played to the PM House,
05:08 to that Army Chief,
05:09 and he will say,
05:10 I didn't know this was happening.
05:11 I mean,
05:12 this is what we were doing.
05:13 I agree with you.
05:14 Then,
05:15 you and I will have to bring him.
05:16 If you come and sit in public,
05:17 If a protest comes in 2014,
05:18 then we have to sit and do it.
05:19 If a protest comes in 2019,
05:20 then we have to sit and do it.
05:21 If a protest comes in 2019,
05:22 then we have to sit and do it.
05:23 If a protest comes in 2019,
05:24 I am saying,
05:25 then where is the way?
05:26 Then you have to bring him in 2014.
05:27 You cannot bring him from Nisabi.
05:28 Quickly,
05:29 quickly,
05:30 see, we are a security state.
05:31 We are not a democratic state.
05:33 And in security states,
05:35 this is what is happening here.
05:37 We have to change our identity.
05:39 If we have to change the identity of a security state,
05:41 then like brother was saying,
05:42 we have to follow the rules.
05:44 We have been given the way.
05:45 The interference in politics,
05:48 that today I will support this,
05:49 tomorrow I will oppose that,
05:50 I like this,
05:51 I don't like this,
05:53 I will remove this.
05:54 This matter,
05:55 it is costly.
05:56 I think we need another Charter of Democracy.
05:58 But this time,
05:59 everyone has to say,
06:00 we have to make it first.
06:01 If we want a Charter,
06:02 we will have an economy.
06:03 Once these political things are agreed,
06:05 we will not be like this.
06:06 You have to agree on everything at once.
06:08 If you want a Charter,
06:10 then you need a Charter for Pakistan 800.
06:13 That today we are 76 years old,
06:15 after 23 years,
06:16 when we will be 100 years old,
06:18 then we will ensure that
06:20 we are not sitting and talking,
06:21 we are not doing this,
06:22 our children are not doing this.
06:23 And we have put the country on a track.
06:25 So we have to do this.
06:27 And now,
06:28 Kashif bhai,
06:29 the cost has gone up so much,
06:31 today,
06:32 because of the security state,
06:34 all these interference are going on.
06:36 But today,
06:37 India's defence budget,
06:39 is more than the total budget.