"We had concerns about Bajwa, Faiz but...," M. Zubair's big statement regarding Qamar Bajwa
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00:00 There was a hero in Pakistani films who never did anything wrong and did good work all his life.
00:08 And the villain could never do anything good.
00:11 There are no such characters in real life.
00:13 So, in any appointment, in any position, the person does good work and bad work.
00:21 It is not necessary to do bad work or good work, but the record is always mixed, generally mixed.
00:28 And the recent history of Pakistan's politics in the last 5-7 years is similar.
00:34 If we have concerns from the establishment, from General Bajwa or General Faiz Ameed,
00:41 especially with regard to General Bajwa, then where his credit was made,
00:46 like you said that Prime Minister Shibaz Sharif gave him credit,
00:50 so there his credit was made, but there was no overall statement that
00:56 he was a stellar performer in the last 6 years of General Bajwa.
01:00 Whether it was in the blacklist, or in the fat-off, or in the improvement of him,
01:06 or if he played a good role in many other issues,
01:10 then I think, whether you are a political opponent or whatever, you should appreciate that.
01:16 Pakistan's politics is so polarized that you take a one-sided view of anyone.
01:21 So, where we have concerns, and serious concerns, because when Nawaz Sharif talks,
01:27 he talks about the period from 2017 to the elections and after the elections,
01:35 the one-page system of supporting Imran Khan, we talk about that, and we are still in existence.
01:44 Imran Khan was selected by the selectors, and of course, General Bajwa did this project,
01:51 but he was not the initiator of this project.
01:54 Of course, for many years, General Shuja Pacha, Kiani, and all the people were involved.
01:59 So, they were the enablers, if you can call them enablers.
02:02 But, Rana Sinhaullah specifically talked about the change of the vote,
02:10 and the change of the vote, and the change of Imran Khan's government.
02:14 Is he right? Is this the right understanding? Will you endorse this statement?
02:19 I think, the statement you gave about Khwaja Asif was more relevant,
02:25 in which he acknowledged, I think you said,
02:29 Yes, the blank check one.
02:30 Yes, the school said that the blank check was given by Nawaz Sharif,
02:33 which we endorsed and voted for.
02:37 So, I think, yes, we should acknowledge this.
02:40 Whatever was the background, but we try to deny this many times,
02:45 that we were supporting the constitutional amendment.
02:49 No, we were supporting the extension of General Kamar Javed Bajwa.
02:53 It was very clear.
02:54 So, sir, in return, there are no free lunches in the blank check, right?
02:58 So, if you want to make your political opponent run, that's a pretty good deal.
03:03 So, after that, did we see that the matter went that way?
03:06 No, I am not endorsing Rana Sinhaullah's statement,
03:11 I am talking about his statement, Khwaja Asif's statement.
03:14 Rana Sinhaullah, in which background, I think,
03:17 yesterday, in some show, Rana Sinhaullah tried to explain it.
03:21 But I think he is the best person to explain.
03:23 Sir, what is the blank check in politics, Mr. Zubair, if you have not given it?
03:27 How do you interpret it?
03:29 I don't interpret it like you are doing.
03:34 The blank check means that, as Khwaja Asif said,
03:37 we knew that we would support this bill,
03:41 so in return, General Kamar Javed Bajwa will get a three-year extension.
03:46 If we had not done it, it would not have happened.
03:48 So, sir, what will you get?
03:49 This is absolutely correct to this extent.
03:51 What will PMLN get?
03:52 What will we get?
03:53 PMLN did not get anything.
03:56 What did they get?
03:57 This is the matter of November 2019.
04:00 So, you tell PMLN that after November 2019,
04:04 2020 has passed,
04:06 and what did they get in the last 9-10 months of 2021?
04:09 They did not get anything.
04:10 The policies were running in the same way.
04:12 General Bajwa was supporting the government of Imran Khan in the same way,
04:16 despite the fact that the government of Imran Khan had very severe weaknesses,
04:20 in terms of economy, foreign policy, and other issues.
04:24 But General Bajwa was standing alongside Imran Khan.
04:28 This interpretation of yours will be a little different from the one of Mr. Tehreek-e-Insaab.
04:32 For example, if I am correct,
04:35 you have misled the government of Imran Khan,
04:38 and then you have agreed to it.
04:39 Then you misled the government of Imran Khan and then you have come back to the PDM-Ittihad,
04:43 because all these claims are made by the political forces.
04:46 So, you have done the right thing.
04:48 No, I will tell you that.
04:50 I will tell you that and clarify it.
04:52 If we acknowledge something, we do it.
04:56 Please try to understand this thing.
04:58 Our stance from the first day was that the government is standing on the support of the establishment.
05:04 And Imran Khan himself, after being separated from the government,
05:08 acknowledged one thing in an interview,
05:11 that when we used to get votes in the parliament, we used to take the support of the agencies.
05:16 Our stance was that the PDM-Ittihad is a political opponent.
05:21 Let us compete with them in the political field.
05:24 You move back, the establishment.
05:27 You remove the ladder that you have put.
05:30 And after that, let us see what happens.
05:32 After that, how much strength do we have?
05:35 How much dent can we put from the coalition partners?
05:39 This is our right in the parliamentary system.
05:41 And what happened in the end,
05:43 that the NPM and the Baab party,
05:45 they had voted for Imran Khan in 2018.
05:48 In 2022, they moved towards us and voted for him.
05:52 When you give an example of the NPM and Baab party,
05:56 you are not making your case so strong.
05:58 You can mention other parties, but when you give a vote to the party,
06:02 the impression…
06:03 No, no, this is the reality.
06:04 How can I deny?
06:06 This is a reality, a historic reality.
06:10 That in 2018, the Baab party and the NPM supported Imran Khan.
06:14 Because the wind was there.
06:15 When the wind was towards you, they voted for you.
06:18 I am saying this.
06:19 No, no, no, the wind was not there.
06:22 In 2018, the wind was clearly towards PTI.
06:26 And in that, obviously, it could have been,
06:29 or rather, as you are saying,
06:32 the establishment may have told them.
06:35 But in 2022, the wind changed because,
06:39 it did not change because the NPM and Baab party,
06:43 they had a great rethinking.
06:45 They had seen Imran Khan.
06:47 They had seen Imran Khan's performance.
06:49 They had their own political compulsions.
06:51 That if they continue with Imran Khan,
06:53 then they will lose in the next election.
06:55 So this was their own political compulsion,
06:58 and then there was no pressure on them.
07:00 And they came to us.
07:01 In this, I think, we read too much into it.
07:04 Okay, in regards to Nawaz Sharif's return,
07:07 what's the plan?
07:08 Will he get down at the airport like before,
07:10 and then there will be rallies,
07:12 and then he will go to Minari Pakistan like that,
07:14 or the new statement you must have heard,
07:16 of Javed Latif,
07:17 now it will be just a rally at Minari Pakistan.
07:20 So has your strategy been finalized,
07:22 in this regard?
07:24 Shahid Kaka Anabasin had said in an interview,
07:29 that Javed Latif knows everything.
07:32 So, as far as I am concerned,
07:35 the plan has not been finalized.
07:36 Okay.
07:37 We, as far as Sindh is concerned,
07:40 I have been given the responsibility,
07:42 that we are making a lot of arrangements,
07:45 to welcome him.
07:47 Whether it will be in Minari Pakistan,
07:49 in regards to the Jalsa,
07:50 or in regards to the rally,
07:52 so when it is finalized,
07:53 I think everyone will know.