War Thunder: Hungarian Tanks for a Hungarian Sub Tree

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Having looked at how Hungarian tanks could be added into War Thunder, preferably via a Hungarian sub tree, I’m now looking at the Hungarian tanks themselves in more depth, giving more information on the tanks themselves and how they will fit into War Thunder!

Update: The Hungarian subtree has since been added in the 'Sons of Attila' update, though some tanks will need adding at a later date.

Introduction: 00:00
39M Csaba: 00:40
V4 Straussler Tank: 01:57
38M Toldi I: 03:38
Toldi II: 05:17
Toldi IIA: 06:32
Toldi III: 07:58
40M Turan I: 08:52
41M Turan II: 10:30
Turan III: 11:18
44M Tas: 12:47
Toldi Páncélvadász: 15:39
43M Zrinyi II: 16:59
44M Zrinyi I: 18:17
Truck (38M Botond, Krupp Protze and others) mounted rockets: 19:10
Toldi II armed with rockets: 19:40
40M Nimrod armed with rockets: 20:00
44M Zrinyi I Rakéta sorozatvető armed with 6 x 43M rockets (Available via Summer Quest Event 2022): 20:48
D944 PSZH: 21:48
40M Nimrod: 23:20
Conclusion: 24:44

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Sources used:
Zaloga, Steven J.: Tanks of Hitler’s Eastern Allies 1941-1945. Osprey Publishing: Oxford, UK, (2013)
Bishop, C.: The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II. Amber Books Ltd: London, UK, (2016)
Bishop, C.: The Directory of Modern Weapons. Greenwich Editions. London, UK (1999)
Hogg, I,V and Weeks, John.: The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Military Vehicles.The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited. London, UK (1980)
Zaloga, Steven J.: The Anti-Tank Rifle. Osprey Publishing. Oxford, UK (2018)
https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/hungary/ww2_hungarian_tanks.php#google_vignette
https://hungarianweaponryww2.wixsite.com/hungarianmilitaryww2

Game: War Thunder
Transcript
00:00Hello everybody, Toreno here and today I’m going to talk a little bit more about Hungarian tanks.
00:06In my last video I looked at how 
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00:31suggesting work has already been done on some of these vehicles, which can only be a good sign.
00:36So, without further ado lets have 
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undefined:undefinedand rear hatch mounted machine gun.
01:28Armour was thin at 9mm, and its crew complement of 3 consisted of a driver, commander and gunner.
01:34As expected of an armoured car it has a high speed of around 65kmh or 40mph. With its small
01:41calibre gun and thin armour, it is more likely to find success in “shoot and scoot” situations  
01:46or as recon for more capable tanks, 
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undefined:undefinedand in a hint to what was to come in the future,  
02:12the V4 was supposed to be amphibious, though 
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02:48so although I haven’t found any 
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03:05When added to War Thunder, I think it should be 
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undefined:undefinedand just before or after the IIA, though this  
03:28may cause some confusion, as indeed these were 
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undefined:undefinedmainly to do with the armament.
03:48The Toldi I has 6-13mm of armour,  
03:51a max speed of 50kmh or 31 mph and a 
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undefined:undefinedpenetration isn’t completely awful the weapon  
04:14itself is semi-automatic and fed from 4 or 5 
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04:34which would likely have been better in 
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undefined:undefinedwhich would likely have taken up too much time.
04:53Surprisingly the choice of radio antenna could 
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undefined:undefinedit at reserve or battle rating 1.0.  
05:13Ultimately it just seems too much of 
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05:32In order to fix this issue, when producing 
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05:50I think the confusion comes about 
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06:07It also had a simpler antenna mounted 
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undefined:undefinedthe same 20mm anti-tank rifle as the Toldi I,  
06:27which just doesn’t cut it for 
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undefined:undefinedvehicle that resulted from this, the Toldi IIA  
06:43is already in War Thunder, although 
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07:07though the APHEBC will still give you 
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undefined:undefinedthis is the extent of the improved armour.  
07:31Some vehicles were given skirt armour 
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undefined:undefinedable to take some hits from the front, though the  
07:53rest of the armour remains at only 13mm, meaning 
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08:12with the big difference being improved armour, 
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08:31With its improved armour and decent gun, I believe 
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undefined:undefinedone of the best light tanks Hungary can field.
08:52Moving on from the Hungarian light tanks we can 
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undefined:undefinedor T-22, which would then become the 40M Turan.
09:13The Turan I was armed with a 41M 40mm cannon,  
09:17firing the same shell as the Hungarian produced 
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09:41to create plates of sufficient thickness, it 
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09:59As with the Toldi, these tanks were sometimes 
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10:22gun performance while sporting greater 
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10:44giving poor penetration with its regular 
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undefined:undefined27mph. Crew complement is still 5.
11:12Overall, its current battle rating of 2.3  
11:14would be a good place for it to be 
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11:35forcing the commander to have to 
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11:58Its armour was supposed to be 13-75mm, though 
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12:17Max speed would again be reduced from the 
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undefined:undefined3.7 is a good place for the Turan III,  
12:39as it has a good gun with thicker 
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12:58having been quoted a price for license production 
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undefined:undefinedthough other similar guns were in development.
13:26However due to delays it was chosen to fit the 
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undefined:undefinedother vehicles, delaying their construction.
13:44Work was carried out on two prototypes, 
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13:59Work was being carried out on the mild steel 
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14:19so will have the same performance as on them. 
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undefined:undefinedcausing them to be weaker than 1 solid plate.
14:38Speed was supposed to be about 45kmh or 28mph, 
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14:56but on the off chance it is I would 
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undefined:undefinedvehicle. Ultimately it will probably go about 5.0,  
15:19though honestly, I don’t see a huge 
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15:39So, with all of the tanks out of the way, 
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undefined:undefinedHungary to produce its own cheap tank destroyers,  
15:56with converting its existing Toldi I’s 
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undefined:undefined75mm Pak 40/2 taken from a Marder II, though  
16:17presumably it would have used a Hungarian weapon 
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16:39its pre conversion state and while the exact crew 
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undefined:undefineddestroyers, the 44M Zrinyi I and 43M Zrinyi II.
17:06Paradoxically we will start with the Zrinyi II, as this has a 40/43M 105mm howitzer, while the Zrinyi  
17:14I has the same 43M 75mm gun as on the Turan III and Tas. The reason for the swap is that  
17:22as mentioned earlier, there was not enough 75mm guns, so the Hungarians went ahead with production  
17:27of the howitzer version, which is why despite being the 2nd variant it has a 1943 designation.
17:34I’ve not been able to find any concrete 
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17:54speed is 40kmh or 25mph and it’s served by a crew 
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undefined:undefinedthough I might be wrong on those stats.
18:17The 44M Zrinyi I has somewhat similar 
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18:39again making them an almost 
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undefined:undefinedtrucks converted to mount the Hungarian made  
18:57100m 44M Buzogányvető or “Mace Thrower” rockets, 
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19:21This gives the trucks a surprisingly heavy punch, 
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19:45the engine deck behind the turret. From the 
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20:05This would have increased speed, as I 
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undefined:undefinedquite broad, but honestly, it’s all dependent  
20:24on the rockets and how they perform, as they 
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20:48There was also at least one attempt of fitting 
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undefined:undefinedrockets as on the 15 cm Pz.W.42  
21:13already in game as a German premium, 
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undefined:undefinedthe gun it would have to be higher, but of course  
21:35it would probably be at such a battle rating 
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undefined:undefinedanti-aircraft vehicles, of which we have 2.
21:53The first of these is the D-944 PSZH, also 
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22:12Armament consists of one 14.5mm KPVT heavy machine 
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22:43Armour is relatively thin, 
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23:10or very possibly 2.7 would be the best place for 
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23:33cover it in the SPAA section. The Nimrod is armed 
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23:56This could only be used once but would 
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24:16Armour is thin much like the Toldi chassis it’s 
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24:39good damage to enemy aircraft but also to any 
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24:57some hope for this, as this shows Gaijin has 
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