This week Chris Deacy is joined by Leroy Kincaide to discuss the films; American Beauty, The Family Man, Aliens, and The City of Angels.
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00:02 - Hello and welcome to Kent Film Club.
00:15 I'm Chris Deesey and each week,
00:16 I'll be joined by a guest from Kent
00:18 to dive deep into the impact certain films
00:21 have had on their life.
00:23 Each guest will reflect on the films
00:24 which have meant the most to them over the years.
00:27 And every week, there will be a Kent film trivia
00:30 where we quiz you at home about a film
00:32 that has a connection to the county.
00:34 And now let me introduce you to my guest for this week.
00:37 He is the founder of Kent-based Nocturnal Pictures
00:40 and has written and directed several short films
00:43 and music videos.
00:45 This includes his debut feature film, "The Last Rite,"
00:47 a supernatural horror movie which came out in 2021
00:51 and which saw him nominated
00:52 for the Screen International Genre Rising Star Award.
00:56 He is Leroy Kinkade.
00:58 - Hello, hello.
00:59 - Good to meet you, Leroy.
01:00 - Lovely to meet you as well.
01:01 - And I can't wait to hear about your first film.
01:03 You've chosen "American Beauty."
01:05 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06 This is quite a poignant film from like 2000,
01:10 I believe it was, '99, 2000.
01:12 It's one of the first films, weirdly,
01:15 that I remember just having a real deep
01:17 philosophical thought about.
01:18 And I mean, I'm pretty sure you remember
01:20 there's this moment with a kid with a camera
01:23 called his film in this paper bag.
01:25 You know, an epic score on that by Thomas Newman.
01:28 And I mean, that for me was probably what my earliest,
01:32 you know, I was probably about 16 at the time,
01:34 my earliest thought of how deep film could actually be
01:38 in terms of philosophy.
01:40 I thought it was quite a deep moment blowing around
01:42 in the wind, just watching this paper bag blow about
01:44 to this beautiful piano music.
01:46 - I remember when it came out,
01:47 'cause I saw it at the cinema
01:48 and there was so much riding on that.
01:49 And you mentioned that famous scene
01:51 and I saw "Empire of Light,"
01:52 which Sam Mendes made not so long ago,
01:54 which has a similar sort of component to it
01:56 about the beauty in the everyday.
01:58 But also a bit like "Sunset Boulevard," of course,
02:01 the whole, you know, afterlife,
02:02 the commentary from beyond the grave.
02:04 And although that's been done in other films,
02:05 "Reversal of Fortune" comes to mind as well.
02:08 That was a really fascinating
02:09 and it really resonated with people.
02:12 - Yeah, I think the thing is what I like about also
02:17 with "American Beauty" is it touches on a real tone
02:20 of like life, right?
02:22 So in a lot of the films that you'll hear about today,
02:25 apart from one of them,
02:26 there's a lot of resonance to me with regards to like life
02:30 and real life and life and death.
02:32 And I think like films that touch on that,
02:34 for me, are the ones that resonate most.
02:35 Yeah, I make horror films and action movies,
02:38 but a lot of the films that I would probably sit down
02:40 and watch and digest are more like along the vein of this.
02:43 So like this film just sort of shows a general guy,
02:45 nothing special about him going through his day to day,
02:48 but he's denying himself himself.
02:49 And I think if you look at how life ultimately is
02:52 for a lot of people, we do that a lot.
02:54 We deny ourselves who we are, who we could be,
02:56 just to sort of make do and to fit in.
02:58 And I loved that approach that this movie took,
03:01 where this normal guy had just got to a point
03:04 where he's like, "I've had enough
03:06 "and I'm gonna smoke a doobie
03:09 "or do whatever I'm gonna do."
03:10 Do you know what I mean?
03:11 And I thought that at the time
03:13 was a very interesting take on cinema
03:15 because there's nothing too unique
03:17 about the story ultimately.
03:18 But when you sort of dig deep to the subtext of it,
03:20 it's actually very, very deep and impactful story.
03:24 - Because even with some of those Marvel films,
03:25 you've got that notion of the everyday
03:27 that they try and make these characters real,
03:29 often for sort of wimpish or something about them
03:31 that's the opposite of the big,
03:33 almost like the supernatural figures that they are.
03:35 But "American Beauty" really worked
03:37 because it was that sense of kind of an ordinary guy,
03:39 but placed in a situation that through the everyday
03:42 became sublime, became transcendent.
03:45 And is this something that has impacted you at all
03:47 in your own filmmaking?
03:48 Is this one of the sort of films
03:50 that you would look at as something
03:51 that has maybe inspired what you've gone on to do?
03:53 - Yeah, I wouldn't say necessarily 100%,
03:56 but the vibe of what you just mentioned there
03:58 is definitely in a lot of my work.
04:01 So the anti-hero story usually is one
04:04 where if you look at it, you know,
04:06 like Superman was just born Superman, you know,
04:09 Clark Kent, Clark Kent's the veil, really,
04:11 but Superman is who he actually is.
04:13 But if you look at like "Spider-Man," Peter Parker,
04:14 he was a normal kid.
04:15 However, that got bit,
04:17 that then transcended into this new version of himself.
04:20 And I think our lives are very much like that.
04:22 You know, we have to transcend the veil
04:24 of who we are to be who we could actually be, you know,
04:27 because if we hold onto who we were
04:28 and we want different things,
04:30 then we're never gonna get what we want.
04:31 And I think that if you look at, again, this story,
04:34 you know, this gentleman that had gone
04:36 through his normal day-to-day life for many years,
04:39 sucking it up, doing what good people do,
04:42 just not really a lot, just making sure they get on
04:45 and, you know, get by, pay the bills,
04:47 starts asking himself a question, you know, like,
04:49 is there more for me?
04:50 And I think if you look at our day-to-day,
04:53 we generally do that anyway.
04:54 Now, what is quite strange about this film
04:56 is it's really manifest probably a relatable tone.
05:00 If you look at it today, by today's standards
05:02 for both men and women, quite easy to sort of look at it
05:04 and go, actually, I can see a bit of me in that character,
05:06 you know, a bit of me denying myself who I could be
05:09 just to make do.
05:10 - And that notion of transgression as well,
05:11 I saw it, I mean, "Basic Instinct,"
05:13 lots of films from that era, from the '90s,
05:15 and early 2000s, and that sort of sense that,
05:17 and "Fight Club," I suppose,
05:18 which came out in the same period is the same,
05:19 but dealing with that sense of what is the everyday,
05:21 the monotony of it, and then the idea
05:24 that something has to change, something has to give
05:26 because you're gonna be stretched to breaking point.
05:28 I think that's what really resonated with audiences.
05:31 - Yeah, I think, like, it resonates with people
05:34 because it's true almost, you know what I mean?
05:36 Like, when you look at sort of like
05:38 what your life structure is, you know,
05:41 you're pretty much born into a system of thinking
05:43 from day dot, you know, you go to school,
05:45 you do your normal stuff, you get to a certain age,
05:47 and then you end up predominantly going out there
05:49 in a big wide world, getting a job, and that's it.
05:52 That's your life ultimately done.
05:53 And if you look at this story here, it's like, you know,
05:55 obviously you've got other elements of the story
05:57 that makes it interesting, but the interesting part for me
06:00 is that it's so almost like inspired
06:03 by a true story to a sense, you know?
06:05 I mean, there's aspects of this film
06:07 that probably aren't so good and a bit darker,
06:10 but ultimately, if you look at it, you know,
06:12 this day-to-day life for this gentleman,
06:13 or could be a lady doing the same thing,
06:15 putting up with a certain type of male role model
06:19 in their life, you know, if you sit down
06:21 in front of the mirror and ask this question,
06:22 am I truthfully happy?
06:24 I think a lot of the time, we do that ourselves,
06:27 and we're like, we're not.
06:28 So we suck it up just to do the right thing.
06:30 And sometimes you have got to be a rebel, you know,
06:32 you have got to be a rebel sometimes.
06:33 - No, it's a film that has so many moments, as you say,
06:36 but it's time now to move on to your second chosen film.
06:39 Now you've gone for a film, I saw this at the cinema
06:42 on Christmas Eve in 2000, "The Family Man."
06:45 - "The Family Man," ooh, this one,
06:48 this one is a very powerful one for me,
06:51 this one is, specifically, because our lives are very much,
06:56 you know, I'm going to go quite deep here,
06:58 very philosophical about stuff, but if you look at things,
07:00 like our lives are very much, you know,
07:03 we have a short window of time,
07:05 and in our window of time in our lives,
07:07 we have dreams and ambitions and goals and desires.
07:11 Along the journey of that,
07:12 sometimes sacrifices have to be made.
07:15 You know, this story, you know, the guy there,
07:18 our dear fellow, Nicolas Cage,
07:20 you know, he plays some outlandish roles,
07:22 but he plays some very, very strong roles,
07:25 and this is one of them for me.
07:26 You know, he chooses his career over the love of his life,
07:29 and over that process, obviously, he becomes highly
07:31 successful, gets all the money in the world, you know,
07:35 and this is to that notion, you know,
07:36 money doesn't buy happiness scenario.
07:38 He's very comfortable, but the money doesn't really buy
07:40 the happiness that he didn't realize he's missing,
07:44 and then I love the perspective of how he gets a glimpse
07:48 of what his life could have been like had he not gone
07:52 down the career path that he chose,
07:55 and actually decided to stay with his partner,
07:58 and I think the glimpse is really important,
08:01 because sometimes in our lives,
08:03 when we do different things, different career choices,
08:05 and different goals and ambitions,
08:07 what we get is we sometimes get a glimpse of success,
08:09 only for it to be taken away.
08:11 In the point of it being taken away,
08:12 we then have to define our character to just go,
08:14 okay, cool, this moment now is a glimpse of my potential,
08:18 so how far can I go if I keep pushing beyond that?
08:21 But it's a slightly different notion
08:23 what I've just said there, but the overall story
08:25 of what this does is it gives him a glimpse
08:27 of how happy he would have been,
08:28 and I think that, you know, there's a real powerful moment.
08:31 I watched this only a few nights ago, again,
08:33 'cause I wanted to tap back into it,
08:35 'cause it's been a while since I've seen it,
08:37 but there's a real powerful moment
08:39 that we can carry with us,
08:41 because when we go through life,
08:45 the longer we live, we have to accept,
08:48 life and death is both part of life,
08:51 so we have to let go of some things.
08:54 So he gets this glimpse of this life
08:57 that he never knew he wanted until he had it,
09:01 and then when he had it, he becomes so enthralled by it
09:05 that when he had to let go,
09:07 there's a moment where he wakes up
09:09 after all of the experience he's had,
09:12 you know, the family, the children, and everything,
09:15 where he sits up out of bed,
09:17 and he looks back to, he didn't like the noise
09:20 in the morning by the kids playing their little violin,
09:22 and, you know, his partner now being in bed with him
09:24 'cause he was so career-minded on his own,
09:27 and he sits on his bed, and he looks back,
09:30 and the bed's empty, the room's silent.
09:33 That silence is very, very powerful
09:36 because you start to realise that, you know,
09:39 money and acquisition of things
09:42 isn't all that life is about, you know, it's experiences,
09:46 and I think that this film resonates on,
09:48 okay, I could be here all night talking about this, but--
09:50 - I was just thinking as you were talking, though,
09:52 because I've always seen it as a bit of "Back to the Future,"
09:55 bit of "Groundhog Day," bit of "The Scrooge" narrative,
09:58 but also it connects with "American Beauty,"
10:01 your first choice.
10:02 I mean, as you were describing "The Family Man,"
10:04 you could almost have been talking about "American Beauty,"
10:07 which was released just a year earlier.
10:09 - Yeah, I mean, there's similarities in it.
10:12 Again, like, look, you know,
10:14 I predominantly make genre work, right,
10:16 so action, horror, sci-fi, all that sort of thing.
10:19 Obviously, these aren't nothing like that,
10:21 but the notes of tonality that goes between the characters,
10:26 for me, does influence my writing and my direction
10:30 because I'm always looking for the heart.
10:32 You know, every story has to have some heart in it somewhere
10:36 and, you know, if you look at "Family Man" as an example,
10:39 you know, you reference "Back to the Future"
10:41 and, you know, there's like this almost, it's not sci-fi,
10:45 but you could almost go, well, he time slips.
10:49 It's a bit "Freaky Friday" feeling, isn't it?
10:52 Whereas for me, what I see in it is I see the, you know,
10:56 somebody that has denied himself himself his whole life again
11:00 but finds a way to see the life he could have had
11:05 had he just not been so driven by the ego,
11:09 not been so career motivated, but actually had taken time.
11:14 It's almost the opposite of "American Beauty."
11:17 If he'd taken the time to actually go, do you know what?
11:19 What's more important in this moment is that I have health,
11:23 love, and the wealth comes from that, you know,
11:26 but his pursuit of happiness was about the money.
11:29 - Brilliant, well, that's about all the time we have
11:31 for this first half of the show.
11:32 However, before we go to the break,
11:35 we have a Kent Film Trivia question for you at home.
11:38 Which of these thrill-filled horror films
11:41 utilised the Sandwich Discovery Park for some scenes?
11:45 Was it A, "The Unfamiliar," B, "World War Z,"
11:49 or was it C, "Slumber?"
11:51 We'll reveal the answer right after this break.
11:53 Don't go away.
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11:57 Hello, and welcome back to Kent Film Club.
12:07 Now, just before that ad break,
12:09 we asked you at home a Kent Film Trivia question.
12:12 Which of these thrill-filled horror films
12:14 utilised the Sandwich Discovery Park for some scenes?
12:18 Was it A, "The Unfamiliar," B, "World War Z,"
12:22 or was it C, "Slumber?"
12:25 And now I can reveal to you that the answer
12:27 was in fact B, "World War Z."
12:31 The film used the offices and laboratories
12:33 to shoot scenes where Gerry Lane, played by Brad Pitt,
12:36 tries to find a cure for the zombie pandemic.
12:40 Did you get the answer right?
12:41 Well, it's time now to move on
12:43 to your next chosen film, Leroy,
12:45 and why have you chosen "Aliens?"
12:48 - Well, why not?
12:50 Right, "Aliens," any filmmaker,
12:52 anybody that grew up in the '80s,
12:54 "Aliens" is probably top of their list.
12:58 It ticks all the boxes.
13:02 It's got horror in it.
13:03 It's got action with guns in it.
13:06 It's got trepidation in it as well, and uncertainty,
13:09 and a little bit of doubt thrown in to boot.
13:11 Now, for me, this film was probably one of my
13:15 first proper horror films that I watched next to "The Thing."
13:19 You know, my earliest childhood memories of horror movies
13:22 and that was definitely "Aliens" is in there.
13:24 And I just love the fact that you've got a group
13:28 of professionals that go into somewhere
13:30 that have absolutely no idea how to handle
13:32 or deal with what they're actually going in to deal with.
13:34 You know, there's a lot of secrecy,
13:36 there's a lot of mystery around what they're there to do,
13:40 because what they think they're there for
13:42 and what actually happens is obviously not what happens.
13:45 And I just love the tone of the film
13:48 in terms of the score, very powerful score, very nice.
13:53 The look of the movie itself
13:56 in terms of the darker elements in there.
13:59 You know, a lot of my work works with light and dark,
14:02 but I love the tone of this film
14:05 because it works a lot between light and dark
14:07 and sometimes in the shadows.
14:08 It's not really about what's in the shadows.
14:11 It's sometimes being lit and not seeing
14:14 completely everything, but seeing parts of it.
14:16 And I think that was one of the things
14:18 that James Cameron sort of used on this movie
14:20 was because of the time with CG not being such a big thing.
14:24 Back in the days, I think they used a lot of light and dark
14:28 to sort of like a jello effect on the alien
14:30 to sort of use aspects of light
14:32 that accent elements of the outline.
14:35 And I just remember actually a lot of the aliens
14:38 coming out of the shadows, just phenomenal film.
14:41 - And I'm guessing that it's maybe in a way
14:45 that's different from the other films
14:46 that we've just talked about.
14:47 It's a film that has inspired your own filmmaking
14:49 because "The Last Ride" for example,
14:51 is a film that perhaps is closer in genre to this.
14:54 But would you say that "Aliens"
14:56 has been an influence on your filmmaking?
14:58 - Yeah, yeah, it definitely has for,
15:01 in terms of it being a big influence for me.
15:03 I would say much more about the aesthetic
15:06 and the vibe of the density of the atmosphere.
15:10 I think atmosphere is really important in a film,
15:13 especially if you're trying to tell the story
15:15 as best as you can.
15:16 You have to be able to believe the world
15:18 that these characters exist in.
15:20 And I think "Aliens" for me is one
15:22 that very much lives within that.
15:25 There definitely is an atmosphere there
15:27 that's very palpable
15:29 and the characters react very heavily to it.
15:32 So for me, I look at a lot of my worlds
15:35 that I build in terms of story as like,
15:38 can I pepper a little bit of that "Aliens" feel
15:42 to that world in terms of making it very believable?
15:46 Because you don't never watch "Aliens" and think,
15:48 oh, I don't believe Sigourney Weaver
15:50 would hold the gun like that.
15:51 She's somebody who's never held a gun
15:53 or anything like that before,
15:54 but she's dealt with this unknown entity on this planet.
15:58 And I think that somebody that doesn't have an ability
16:02 that grows and gets an ability
16:04 that moves forward into their world and kicks butt,
16:07 I think is absolutely powerful.
16:09 So I use a lot of that.
16:11 - And I've used books with my own students
16:13 as part of my teaching in which encompasses film,
16:16 where we use this image.
16:18 This image has appeared on the cover of the books.
16:20 And also thinking as well that Sigourney Weaver
16:22 got an Oscar nomination for this.
16:23 I think the only one in her career,
16:25 not for the ice storm or anything
16:26 that's more obviously story-based.
16:28 So when you said that about,
16:29 can you believe that she would hold a gun in that way?
16:32 Well, in a way it's very iconic.
16:33 It was seen that way back in the '80s when it was made.
16:36 But also I think if you look at the time,
16:38 I think she was the first version of a female action hero,
16:43 like in terms of the Hollywood action hero
16:47 as we know it today.
16:48 I think she, Sigourney Weaver, that took on that role.
16:53 At the time, women weren't really put in those roles
16:57 like that.
16:58 It was usually seen as a damsel in distress.
17:00 Well, she wasn't.
17:02 And as a man, I get behind that.
17:07 I do champion a lot of strong female characters
17:10 in my work anyway.
17:11 And I do think that that probably is partly inspired
17:15 potentially by the effect that "Aliens" probably had on me
17:18 as a young child that's still with me to this day.
17:21 'Cause I do believe that if you've got the right character
17:24 that takes the right action in the right circumstances,
17:28 everybody and anybody's almost believable.
17:30 I think that for me is where "Aliens" really ticks
17:33 a solid box.
17:35 It's a very believable, obviously, "Aliens" excluded,
17:40 it's a very believable approach to the genre.
17:45 For me, I'm completely sold by it.
17:46 - And is this a film that you've seen on the big screen?
17:49 Is this something, 'cause I saw it at a cine world
17:52 in Ashford not too long ago, I saw it on the big screen
17:55 with a very packed audience.
17:56 And considering the film is nearly 40 years old,
17:59 that was quite an achievement.
18:00 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:01 So I watched it, I think it was a couple of months ago
18:03 as well when they had the anniversary re-release
18:06 and that and I was like, I cannot not see this film.
18:09 There's a couple of films that I've had to do that with.
18:11 One was "The Exorcist", one was "The Shining"
18:14 and this was the other one, but this was the one.
18:17 So any popcorn that was crunching around in the audience,
18:20 I was like, keep an eye on it because I'm trying to enjoy
18:23 cinema, certain films you've got to see in the cinema.
18:27 - And that certainly is a way to spoil a film.
18:29 - Absolutely. - Yeah, absolutely.
18:30 Well, it's time now, Leroy, to move on
18:32 to your final chosen film and you've gone for
18:35 "City of Angels".
18:36 - Yep, another Nicolas Cage film.
18:39 Again, he does crazy films today,
18:42 but he's done some very beautiful films
18:44 and this for me is probably, "Next to Aliens",
18:48 probably my top favourite film.
18:51 I think, just what a beautiful story.
18:55 An angel that decides to fall from grace for love
19:00 and that's ultimately the story,
19:01 but the reality of it is that we live in a world where,
19:06 so a lot, you'll see this statement a lot in my work
19:08 as a writer and as a director, but we live in a world
19:11 that's based on duality, both life and death.
19:14 So he gets born into this life because he fell in love
19:18 with this lady, played by Meg Ryan there,
19:21 and he ends up getting a taste,
19:25 he gets the glimpse of the life,
19:27 as I mentioned on the other film,
19:29 he gets a glimpse of that life
19:31 and then as soon as he gets the glimpse, he's taken away.
19:34 And we live in a world where I believe very much
19:37 it's better to have loved and lost
19:38 than to never have loved at all.
19:40 So the theme in this film about how far would you go
19:45 for love and what does it actually mean
19:48 to the individual that is experiencing the love,
19:51 well, he decided to fall from grace for it.
19:55 And I think films, again, have a heart resonance to them
19:59 where it's great to paint pretty pictures and stuff,
20:03 but it's about finding what's the thing
20:06 that's gonna resonate?
20:08 And the thing that really resonated with me with this film
20:11 is weirdly, actually, the part where they,
20:16 you've seen this film, obviously, right?
20:18 - I saw it when it came out
20:19 and I was actually just gonna mention as well
20:20 about the Wyn Wenders, I would say the original,
20:22 but the Wings of Desire, which I saw after City of Angels.
20:26 So that's an interesting slant as well
20:29 that this is a remake of a film that--
20:32 - So I didn't know that.
20:33 - Right, so I'm intrigued that you put this on your list.
20:37 - Yeah, so it's like, again, that theme of life and death,
20:41 light and dark, finds its way into all of my work.
20:43 But probably the most memorable moment of this
20:45 is actually the bit where she shows,
20:49 when he's formed in human form,
20:52 she shows him about small things.
20:55 Taste is an experience.
20:58 Touch is an experience.
20:59 She wants to show him, like, "Oh, welcome to Earth.
21:04 "This is what I wanna do for you."
21:06 And then in a process of going out
21:08 to show him what she wants to show him,
21:12 she's on her bike and she's enjoying a moment.
21:15 And there's this weird dichotomy
21:18 between us all as people,
21:19 where we have an innate connection,
21:22 be it, call it psychic power,
21:24 or be it something where we can sense
21:26 that something's not right.
21:28 We just, we have it in us, entwined in there.
21:31 Well, this happens when she's on the bike
21:33 as she's sailing down, so no spoilers, guys.
21:36 Well, there's gonna be a big spoiler.
21:38 She's going down on the bike, she puts her hands out,
21:42 and then the truck backs out on the road.
21:45 It's all slow motion, but in the house
21:48 where Nicholas cages, there's a candle, and it blows out.
21:53 And you don't see her get knocked off the bike,
21:55 but you know her flame's been extinguished,
21:58 but he senses something's not right.
22:00 That moment there is really powerful, I think,
22:04 because for me, there is a connection between us
22:08 and, if some people believe in it, like, you know,
22:11 spirit, call it God, or whatever,
22:13 that sort of unified energy.
22:15 And I think if we listen to our hearts enough,
22:18 we can feel moments like that
22:21 when something's just not right.
22:23 And I think that, for me, is just probably
22:24 my most powerful moment of the whole movie.
22:27 - And what I like about the choices
22:28 that you've made so far, because I introduced you
22:30 by saying that you've recently made
22:32 a supernatural horror film.
22:33 You've chosen three supernaturally themed films
22:36 and a horror film.
22:37 So there's a clear link.
22:39 I'm not sure if that's something
22:41 that you're consciously aware of.
22:43 For example, when you selected your films.
22:46 - No, no, I selected my films based on,
22:50 it's the most obvious thing,
22:52 is that it just being put like exorcist up there,
22:54 but, you know, Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
22:56 and just go mad with all that stuff.
22:58 But believe it or not, like,
22:59 films that I would actually sit down and watch
23:01 and properly digest are more like this.
23:04 They're more at peace.
23:05 And yeah, they will have maybe
23:07 a supernatural element to them.
23:08 I didn't think too much about them all having it,
23:11 but I guess in a way, they do.
23:13 You know, making me think about it now even a bit deeply.
23:17 They do have that connection to something
23:20 where there's a bit more than just about simple life.
23:23 So yeah, so thank you for that bit of awareness there, mate.
23:26 - Well, it was a brilliant selection,
23:28 but I'm afraid that that's all the time we have for today.
23:31 So many thanks to Leroy Kinkade for joining us
23:34 and being such a brilliant guest.
23:36 And many thanks to you all for tuning in.
23:40 Be sure to come back and join us again
23:43 at the same time next week.
23:44 Until then, it's goodbye from us.
23:46 Goodbye.
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