Off The Record | Kashif Abbasi | ARY News | 26th October 2023
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۔PTI leaders meet Fazal ur Rehman - Are JUIF and PTI going to do politics together?
۔Which political parties are getting level playing field? Important revelations
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۔PTI leaders meet Fazal ur Rehman - Are JUIF and PTI going to do politics together?
۔Which political parties are getting level playing field? Important revelations
۔PTI wafd ki Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman se kya guftgu hui? janiye
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00:00 Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Maria Maimon with the program Off The Record.
00:03 Kashif Abbasi is out of the country due to his two-week annual holidays.
00:08 That's why I am hosting this program today.
00:10 So, if you are getting any wrong news on social media, don't listen to them.
00:15 Kashif Abbasi is very much with ARY.
00:18 And after two weeks, he will come back here and host his program again.
00:22 Let's start with today's big news.
00:25 Election is a big topic. How will elections happen?
00:31 It's a level playing field.
00:33 Nowadays, the whole narrative is revolving around it.
00:36 Yesterday, President of Pakistan gave an interview to Hamid Mir.
00:40 When he was asked about the timing of the elections,
00:44 he said that he is not sure that elections will happen in January.
00:48 Let's listen to him.
00:49 Are you sure that elections will happen in the last week of January?
00:53 No, I am not sure.
00:55 I think that when the Supreme Judiciary has taken this into consideration,
00:59 then the decision will be very appropriate.
01:01 I appreciate that.
01:02 So, the President said that he is not sure about this.
01:07 Two important statements have been made in this regard.
01:10 First, the Election Commission of Pakistan responded to this interview.
01:13 They said that yesterday, on a private channel of the President of the country,
01:17 the impression given by the President was that elections will be postponed.
01:24 But, there is no possibility of this happening.
01:27 So, this is a very strongly worded opinion of the Election Commission.
01:31 They said that the Ferris wheel will also come by November 30.
01:34 The restrictions will also be completed.
01:36 And there is no possibility of the elections being postponed.
01:39 Similarly, today, a caretaker of the Prime Minister has also given an interview.
01:43 He has also rejected all these theories and said that elections will be held on time.
01:47 Yesterday, he asked another question.
01:48 What will happen to fair and credible elections?
01:50 Let's listen to what the President of the country said on this.
01:53 For the future of the country, it is necessary that the people who want it,
02:00 talk to them and get the situation that there should be fair and credible elections in the country
02:05 in which everyone gets a chance to participate.
02:10 In politics, it is said that nothing is finalized.
02:13 Neither the opposition nor the opposition.
02:15 And if we look at the approach of the PTI and People's Party,
02:19 there are very stunning similarities.
02:21 Now, the Pakistan People's Party is also saying that elections should be held on time.
02:26 They demand free and fair elections.
02:29 They also talk about the level playing field.
02:31 Let's listen to what Mr. Murad Ali Shah said.
02:33 The solution is only in the elections.
02:35 And the date of the elections should be announced as soon as possible.
02:38 If it is announced, the problems that people have will be solved.
02:42 The level playing field is also a demand of the People's Party.
02:46 Mr. Bilawar Bhutto has also held press conferences on this.
02:49 Yesterday, Mr. Saqdar gave an interview to the ARY, to Ms. Mehr Bukhari.
02:53 When she was asked about the level playing field,
02:56 she gave a very unique logic.
02:58 What does someone think? How does someone understand the level playing field?
03:02 This is a new logic. Let's listen.
03:07 Is there a level playing field today?
03:08 Why not?
03:09 What is the reason for not having a level playing field today?
03:10 They don't feel like it.
03:11 No one will feel like it in the elections.
03:12 You feel like it.
03:13 Even I don't feel like it.
03:14 I think no one will feel like it.
03:16 This is human psychology.
03:17 When Mr. Bilawar says that the level playing field is a demand,
03:20 then we also say that the level playing field is a demand.
03:21 When he says that elections should be held on time, then we want elections to be held on time.
03:24 This is not a matter of human psychology.
03:28 This is a matter of trust on institutions.
03:31 Elections are held all over the world.
03:33 Elections are held in our neighboring countries.
03:35 But the psychological disorder that Mr. Ishaq Dar has called the level playing field,
03:40 this is not the case there.
03:41 There is transparency.
03:43 The one who wins the election, wins gracefully.
03:46 The one who loses, accepts his defeat.
03:48 And announces himself, congratulates the winner.
03:51 So, this is just a matter of Pakistan.
03:53 If they say that there is a psychological issue,
03:55 this psychological disorder does not exist in the world's respected countries.
03:59 Before the program, we will talk.
04:01 Dr. Musadeq Malik is present with us in the studio.
04:03 We have with us Mr. Barista Mohammad Saif.
04:07 Through Skype.
04:08 Mr. Saif has also met with Mr. Moulana Fazlur Rehman.
04:11 We will talk in that context as well.
04:12 In a while, Mr. Nasir Hussain Shah from Pakistan People's Party will be with us.
04:15 And Ms. Arfa Noor will also join us.
04:18 Before everyone's permission, I would like to start with Mr. Barista Saif.
04:21 The meeting that took place with Mr. Barista Saif,
04:23 today with your Moulana Fazlur Rehman.
04:24 Although, according to your news, you went there to mourn.
04:29 But when politicians go somewhere, obviously, there is a political issue.
04:36 So, should we consider today's meeting as a purely personal meeting or was there a political context to it?
04:43 Basically, we went to mourn and to celebrate the death of the late Daman Sahiba.
04:56 And it was a social meeting.
05:01 The purpose of this meeting was not a political discussion.
05:08 But as you said, when the victory was won,
05:12 there was a discussion on politics in the General Conference.
05:16 And we spent a lot of time there.
05:18 We also offered Maghrib prayer there.
05:20 We sat there after that.
05:21 So, yes, the national political situation at the moment,
05:26 and especially the politics of Khair-e-Khutul Khan was discussed more.
05:30 Because in our time, most of the leaders of the Pakistan Parliamentary Assembly and the Subaay Assembly were leaders and speakers.
05:39 So, that's why Khair-e-Khutul Khan was focused more.
05:43 But yes, this was definitely discussed.
05:45 And I think Mr. Mughana also said something very important that all parties should get a level playing field.
05:52 Everyone should get a chance.
05:54 So, is there any discussion about a future alliance?
05:58 Is there any discussion about the political future of the UIFPTI in the election?
06:06 I think that such a thing is very much in the past.
06:14 The election has not yet been announced legally and legally.
06:19 The Election Commission has not yet given a date.
06:22 We are talking about the last week of January, but that is not a regular thing.
06:26 So, when a date will be given according to a regular calendar and the campaign will start, then we will see.
06:31 But the first thing is that I think that Khair-e-Khutul Khan and other leaders of Pakistan have a lot of acceptance of PTI by the grace of God.
06:41 And we may not need political preparation from anyone.
06:43 But in politics, nothing can be denied with certainty and certainty, nor can any opinion be taken about it.
06:50 I think that we will definitely have elections from different political parties.
06:57 Okay, it will be quick to say something now.
07:03 Mr. Ibrahim Bresta, stay with us.
07:05 We have to talk more in the context of Pakistan's justice.
07:08 We have joined Arfa Noor Sahiba with Mr. Musatakh Malik in the studio.
07:12 Thank you both very much.
07:13 Welcome to Off The Record and ARY.
07:15 Why is there a lot of anger?
07:18 People's Party is also angry.
07:19 Mr. Maulana is also talking about the level playing field.
07:21 PMLN says that no one in Pakistan ever feels that there is a level playing field.
07:25 Today, we feel that we may not feel it even after winning.
07:29 We never feel it even after losing.
07:31 This is a very philosophical answer.
07:34 Someone has lost even after winning.
07:35 He has won even after losing.
07:36 What do you say to such a person who has won even after losing?
07:39 What do you want to say?
07:41 I think that because elections are coming up, political heat is being created.
07:48 In political heat, it always happens that you start accusing the other party.
07:53 Otherwise, how will you go in the campaign?
07:55 What will you say in the campaign?
07:57 In other countries, you mentioned about developed countries.
08:01 There, the debate about policy is often held.
08:03 But here, the debate about policy is not held.
08:05 Neither is the debate held on TV programs.
08:07 You are also deserving of congratulations.
08:10 You sometimes talk about policy.
08:13 Madam also does it.
08:14 So, both of you are deserving of congratulations.
08:16 Otherwise, where would you talk about policy?
08:18 I don't get to hear it.
08:20 You talk about OAS.
08:21 You talk about Leda.
08:22 She said this.
08:23 What does it mean to say that?
08:25 This is not a policy.
08:27 But because our country has a political nature.
08:32 This is how the debate is held.
08:35 You mentioned about People's Party.
08:38 People's Party was a part of the un-level playing field for 16 months.
08:43 It is strange that for 16 months, you were a part of the Cabinet and Alliance.
08:51 Now, you are not a part of the level playing field.
08:54 I wonder what has changed.
08:56 Because of which it seems that there is no level playing field.
08:59 Whereas, Nawaz Sharif has come.
09:00 Maybe he should not have come.
09:02 People think that there is a level playing field.
09:04 Do you think there is a level playing field?
09:06 I am presenting the same thing to you.
09:09 You are worried.
09:10 I can see the impression on your face.
09:12 Your face is like this.
09:13 No, no.
09:14 Your face is like this.
09:15 Our faces are like this.
09:17 No, no.
09:18 You can correct it.
09:20 You are not giving me a chance.
09:23 You are trying.
09:24 I am trying a lot.
09:27 But you are a muslim.
09:29 It has been 24 years since 1999.
09:34 In 24 years, Mian Nawaz Sharif fought one election.
09:37 In 2013, he fought for 4 years and then he was removed.
09:41 He was out in 2002, 2008 and 2018 elections.
09:46 The jurisprudence is yet to be settled.
09:48 We will know where it will be settled.
09:50 So, why is everyone objecting to Mian Nawaz Sharif's coming?
09:54 Why did he come?
09:55 The level playing field is that Mian Nawaz Sharif should not come.
09:58 In 2002, Imran Khan was there.
10:00 Mian Nawaz Sharif was not there.
10:01 The level playing field was there.
10:02 In 2008, Benazir was not there.
10:05 Mian Nawaz Sharif was not there.
10:06 Imran Khan was there.
10:07 The level playing field was there.
10:08 He had boycotted him.
10:10 In 2013, Imran Khan was there.
10:13 Mian Nawaz Sharif was there.
10:14 So, that was a rigged election.
10:16 In 2018, Mian Nawaz Sharif was not there.
10:18 But the level playing field was not an issue.
10:20 The level playing field is not only there when Mian Nawaz Sharif comes.
10:26 Khwaja Saad Rafiq was in jail for 3 years.
10:29 He was in jail for 2.5 years.
10:30 Salman Rafiq was in jail for 2.5 years.
10:32 Khwaja Asif was in jail.
10:35 Ahsan Iqbal was in jail.
10:37 Abasi was in jail.
10:39 Kamran Michael was in jail.
10:42 Hanif Abasi was sentenced to death.
10:44 It was a level playing field.
10:47 There was no issue.
10:48 You may remember that Nawaz Sharif was dragged to the hospital at 2 am.
10:59 He could have been taken in the morning.
11:02 But he was dragged to the hospital.
11:03 But it was a level playing field.
11:05 Those people who attacked on 9th May,
11:09 if they are put in jail or people are being investigated,
11:13 then the level playing field is over.
11:15 I told you that if Mian Nawaz Sharif comes in the elections,
11:22 then the level playing field is over.
11:24 If Mian Nawaz Sharif comes in the elections,
11:26 but people do not come out.
11:28 The level playing field is for everyone.
11:30 PTI can object to some extent.
11:36 Which party should we ask?
11:38 Let's ask Nasir Hussain Shah.
11:40 I did not take the name of any party.
11:43 PTI has a problem.
11:45 I am telling you that JUIF has a problem.
11:47 People's Party has a problem.
11:48 I am asking you that if something is happening
11:50 that all other parties are being stopped,
11:53 then we can understand something.
11:56 PTI understands that their people are being arrested.
11:59 They have a lot of objections.
12:02 I understand something about them.
12:03 But I do not understand anything about other parties.
12:06 All these things have happened.
12:09 It was a part of it.
12:10 Let me ask them.
12:11 But before that, Arfa Sahiba,
12:13 People's Party PMLN is a political statement.
12:16 They are okay with it.
12:19 Nawaz Sharif has to come back.
12:20 So, they have not shown any objection to the People's Party.
12:24 They have said that there is less space in our Sidh.
12:27 This is political rhetoric.
12:29 If they do not give this statement before the elections,
12:31 then what political statement will they give?
12:33 I think maybe it is a little bit of both.
12:35 Doctor Sahab has also said that
12:37 the people's party is crying for Nawaz Sharif.
12:42 It is not that he is...
12:44 But what is it? Tell us.
12:46 Sir, he has already said it.
12:48 You also tell us.
12:49 You do the analysis every day.
12:51 So, tell us what has happened.
12:53 We have been in power for 16 months.
12:56 All these policies are made by all of us.
12:59 So, what has gone wrong?
13:01 Because of which the level playing field has gone bad.
13:03 If I give an example of an English medium,
13:07 there are many American films with proms.
13:10 Proms.
13:11 Girls in high schools.
13:13 In our country, proms are not allowed.
13:15 There is a queen bee in a very cool prom.
13:17 So, the queen bee should be made.
13:20 And then you know that on the prom night,
13:22 they will get the crown of the queen.
13:25 So, the rest of them will be angry.
13:27 There was anger in 2018 also.
13:30 Doctor Sahab will not agree.
13:32 That anger is still there.
13:34 Now we can talk only about this.
13:36 I would like to say one thing.
13:38 Yes, sir.
13:39 It was written at one place that
13:41 yesterday night there was a robbery in the KGB office.
13:44 And those who did not get the election,
13:46 they stole their results and took them.
13:48 That is amazing.
13:49 The election has not happened.
13:50 And you put the crown on our head.
13:52 You said that because you are a prom queen,
13:54 because you were given the crown,
13:56 that election...
13:57 That 2018 Deja Vu,
13:58 when the PTI people used to say exactly this.
14:00 And we used to say that you...
14:02 This is the situation.
14:03 Look, your...
14:04 I said, Doctor Sahab will not agree.
14:06 It is not taunts, sir.
14:07 My memory has been activated again.
14:09 That was in 2018.
14:10 I will agree to that also.
14:11 Your taunts, that is why I am taunting your taunts.
14:14 The question arises that
14:16 what is the thing at the moment
14:19 because of which you are saying that
14:21 the election has been held and you have won.
14:23 If you tell that,
14:25 then we can talk about it.
14:27 I have told you and
14:28 I have requested you properly
14:30 that this has happened because of Mian Nawaz Sharif.
14:33 If Mian Nawaz Sharif does not come,
14:35 as he was not there in 2002,
14:37 2008, 2018, 2013,
14:39 then everything was fine.
14:41 What is the problem?
14:42 Let's ask Nasir Sahab.
14:43 Nasir Sahab, look,
14:44 the election has not happened.
14:45 And till now,
14:46 no result has come.
14:47 Nawaz Sharif has come back
14:48 and your level playing field has been ruined.
14:50 Because of one person,
14:51 this crown has been disrupted
14:54 and has been tilted to one side.
14:57 In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful.
14:59 Allahumma Salli 'Ala Muhammad wa 'Ala Muhammad.
15:03 Look,
15:04 this is being taken from another way,
15:08 the level playing field that has been discussed.
15:10 We welcome Mian Sahab
15:13 and his magnificent reception,
15:16 the Jalsa,
15:17 on that we have also congratulated the Muslim League.
15:19 And from the beginning,
15:21 Pakistan People's Party has been saying
15:23 that Mian Sahab should come to the country
15:25 and do politics.
15:27 And whatever political activity he has,
15:29 should continue.
15:31 So, from Mian Sahab,
15:33 everyone is saying that
15:36 this is not possible because of Mian Sahab.
15:39 Now, the level playing field,
15:41 what the chairman said,
15:43 there were two CEC meetings,
15:45 in which one was in Karachi,
15:46 and the other in Lahore.
15:48 When everyone comes to the country,
15:50 and tells everything,
15:52 when there were shared discussions,
15:56 it was said that,
15:58 I am giving you an example,
16:01 in Punjab or in the Federal,
16:03 the nominations of the ministers,
16:06 or the bureaucracy,
16:09 on that, many people,
16:11 the recommendations of the Noon League,
16:15 or some affiliation,
16:17 and there are new schemes coming,
16:20 and we talked about it,
16:22 that if the government,
16:25 the Pakistan People's Party,
16:27 gets a chance,
16:28 they have given the name of a person,
16:30 who is completely impartial,
16:32 who has a clear past,
16:34 and the Chief Justice of Sindh,
16:36 and the Justice of India.
16:38 If I note it down easily,
16:40 Sir, one second,
16:42 one of the biggest objections,
16:44 the biggest objection is that,
16:46 the caretaker set up,
16:48 in the union,
16:49 there is no level playing field.
16:51 Second, you are saying,
16:52 this is a scheme.
16:53 No, no, no, listen to me,
16:55 she has been misinterpreted.
16:57 We are saying this,
16:59 when I was coming,
17:00 that at some place,
17:01 the caretaker set up,
17:03 new schemes are being announced,
17:05 this is not the mandate of the caretakers.
17:07 And on the other side,
17:08 in the other province,
17:09 the Pakistan People's Party,
17:11 the base is where it is more strong,
17:13 there the budgeted schemes,
17:15 which the assembly has passed,
17:17 have been passed on the budget,
17:19 they have also been stopped,
17:20 that they are not there.
17:21 They have said that,
17:23 everyone should get a level playing field,
17:25 and in which,
17:26 it was not just about the People's Party,
17:28 I will also make this a part of the record,
17:30 that Pakistan People's Party,
17:32 has never,
17:34 in any election,
17:36 taken any kind of,
17:38 or any kind of thing,
17:39 nor do we want it.
17:40 Mr. Nasir,
17:41 I want to correct this record a little bit.
17:43 The coalition government,
17:45 which was ours,
17:46 we were all together in this,
17:48 we are all responsible for it,
17:50 and in a very good way,
17:52 whatever happened,
17:53 obviously,
17:54 the government of unfaithful,
17:56 PTI,
17:57 which made the IMF agreement,
17:59 and other things,
18:00 if that government,
18:02 the alliance,
18:04 the coalition,
18:05 if they had not made these decisions,
18:07 which were very difficult,
18:08 unpopular decisions,
18:09 they had to make,
18:11 they gave importance to Pakistan,
18:13 they did not give importance to politics,
18:15 so all these things were together.
18:17 Now, level playing field,
18:19 should be the same for everyone.
18:21 Sir, one more question,
18:22 one more minute,
18:23 the level playing field,
18:24 please elaborate on this a little bit.
18:25 Now, in Karachi,
18:26 the mayor's election took place,
18:27 one group, MQM,
18:28 they did not take part,
18:29 they were not happy with the restrictions at that time.
18:31 They sat down,
18:32 Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
18:33 their own complaint,
18:34 that our members are being broken,
18:36 Jamaat-e-Islami,
18:37 till the last moment,
18:38 they and PTI,
18:39 wanted to make a mayor by uniting,
18:41 they did not make it,
18:42 they managed it politically.
18:44 But sir,
18:45 level playing field,
18:46 at that time,
18:47 when there was a special vote,
18:49 for People's Party,
18:50 that was fine,
18:51 because all your contenders,
18:53 they were saying that there is no level playing field.
18:55 There, we did not see so much,
18:57 of your protest.
18:59 You were enjoying the perks of level playing field,
19:01 at that time, sir.
19:02 It was not like that.
19:05 When the elections of Baldayat took place,
19:07 one phase took place before that,
19:09 which had four divisions,
19:11 at that time,
19:12 it was the government of Doh Khan,
19:13 in the federal government.
19:14 But that was sweeped by People's Party.
19:16 Then, here,
19:17 what you are saying,
19:18 PTI,
19:19 see,
19:20 after 9th May,
19:21 Sir, why did you sit down?
19:22 PTI's situation was like this.
19:23 After 9th May,
19:24 the big parties of PTI,
19:27 they left them.
19:28 These were UC,
19:29 chairman sahibs,
19:31 who took their own decision,
19:33 and they did not take part in the voting.
19:36 There was no pressure on anyone,
19:37 or later,
19:38 if such a thing had happened,
19:39 then all the things would have been revealed.
19:42 It is not like that.
19:43 Level playing field,
19:44 I think,
19:45 we believe,
19:46 till we are not getting it,
19:48 like,
19:49 if someone else takes away the level playing field,
19:51 and we get it,
19:52 then we do not care about the level playing field.
19:54 It is a selective level playing field.
19:56 See,
19:57 I will tell you one thing,
19:58 like,
19:59 the important role of our institutions,
20:02 and you saw,
20:04 how PTI was given the government,
20:06 in 2018,
20:07 and whatever happened,
20:09 and even later,
20:10 their quorums were completed,
20:13 all their allies,
20:14 they were all against them,
20:16 they were only,
20:17 when they became apolitical,
20:19 everyone left them.
20:20 And that no confidence was political.
20:23 Right.
20:24 Sir,
20:25 now it does not feel like,
20:26 like it was happening in 2018,
20:27 now you do not have that kind of fear, right?
20:31 See,
20:32 we want this,
20:33 chairman,
20:34 that such a feeling,
20:35 should not be felt.
20:37 Right.
20:38 And this misunderstanding that is being created,
20:40 that we are a very,
20:41 a very,
20:42 a drain,
20:43 of Mian Sahib's,
20:45 coming,
20:46 or his,
20:47 it is nothing like that.
20:48 We welcome them.
20:49 But you are feeling that,
20:51 this is some situation of 2018,
20:54 now as of now,
20:56 when we are talking,
20:57 people's party understands this?
20:59 See,
21:00 in 2018,
21:02 a very,
21:03 a very strange situation was there.
21:06 Our people were being filed cases,
21:09 some jails were closed,
21:11 many were declared unqualified,
21:13 so that they do not take part in the elections.
21:16 And then,
21:17 a strange kind of environment was there.
21:19 At this time,
21:20 no such situation.
21:21 Okay,
21:22 I have to go on break,
21:23 when we come back,
21:24 we will continue the show from here.
21:25 Stay with us.
21:26 Welcome back,
21:27 thanks for coming back to the program.
21:28 With us is Barista Mohammad Saif,
21:29 who is also present.
21:30 We met Maulana Fazur Rehman Sahib,
21:32 and obviously,
21:33 the political scene that is to be created,
21:35 for that,
21:36 this is a good gesture,
21:39 that Maulana Fazur Rehman and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab,
21:42 have been very strictly,
21:43 against each other politically.
21:45 And we have seen in the near future,
21:47 in the past,
21:48 what kind of language was used,
21:52 how intense was the political dialogue,
21:54 the temperature has dropped.
21:56 It would have been better,
21:57 if we had not allowed these issues to come here,
22:00 and if we had kept a place of coexistence,
22:03 in the politics.
22:05 If we could have sat together,
22:06 it means that throughout,
22:07 we could have sat on the issues.
22:09 Yes, absolutely, Maria,
22:12 I agree with you 100%.
22:14 This should have happened,
22:16 and it should have happened.
22:17 But,
22:18 in going and being actual,
22:21 you know that there are many factors,
22:24 and I think that,
22:25 definitely,
22:26 there were complications in the past,
22:28 and not only Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaab,
22:30 and JUI,
22:31 or any other party,
22:32 but all the parties,
22:33 you will remember those statements,
22:35 that I will tear the tree,
22:36 and take out the wealth,
22:38 which has been stolen,
22:39 and everything has happened in the past,
22:42 this is a unfortunate chapter of our history.
22:44 So,
22:45 definitely,
22:46 but,
22:47 whatever it is,
22:48 putting the past aside,
22:50 see,
22:51 if you,
22:52 you make mistakes,
22:53 but if you learn a good lesson from the past,
22:55 and plan for the future,
22:56 and plan in light of that experience,
22:59 then, I think,
23:00 things can get better in the future.
23:02 We also started,
23:03 we went to Maulana Sahib's Fatihah,
23:05 Khujdam-an-e-Fatihah,
23:07 and from this point of view,
23:09 that the talk should end,
23:10 and we should disagree politically with each other,
23:13 by having personal differences,
23:15 in a continuous manner.
23:16 And,
23:17 the second thing is that,
23:18 our,
23:19 I would like to comment a little,
23:21 the two things that my friends talked about,
23:24 definitely,
23:25 the level playing field issue is also ours,
23:27 and,
23:28 I think,
23:29 the biggest political reformer in Pakistan,
23:30 is Pakistan's Tehreek-e-Insafi,
23:32 the rest are all political Brahmins,
23:34 and the Brahmins,
23:35 are,
23:36 are,
23:37 are getting entangled with each other,
23:38 but,
23:39 the real problem is with us,
23:40 our colleagues are in jails,
23:41 hundreds,
23:42 not just our colleagues,
23:43 our women,
23:44 workers,
23:45 they are also in jails,
23:46 and their cases,
23:47 are not being presented in the courts for discussion,
23:50 whereas,
23:51 one Sahib,
23:52 we welcome him in Pakistan,
23:53 it is a very good thing,
23:54 Pakistan came back,
23:55 after four years,
23:56 he thought of this country,
23:57 it is a very good thing,
23:58 but the way he came,
23:59 the way his biometric was done,
24:02 at the airport,
24:03 Nadra's team went,
24:05 the way the courts are waiting,
24:07 for justice to be given to them,
24:09 I wish these courts,
24:10 were in the jails of Pakistan,
24:13 innocent,
24:14 poor,
24:15 oppressed,
24:16 for those people,
24:17 if they had expressed so much indifference,
24:18 then today,
24:19 I would not have had any problem,
24:20 at least,
24:21 I would not have talked about the level playing field,
24:22 today,
24:23 in the reference of Al-Azizia,
24:24 the Naib has openly said,
24:25 that we do not want Nawaz Sharif Sahib,
24:28 so,
24:29 if he had said this,
24:30 he would have said this about other accused,
24:32 who after years of being beaten,
24:34 die,
24:36 and after 20 years of their death,
24:38 the court thinks that they are innocent,
24:40 so,
24:41 if this was for everyone,
24:42 it would have been for us too,
24:43 we are political Shudders,
24:44 I will use my own terminology,
24:47 but the Shudders,
24:48 the Brahmin,
24:49 they keep changing,
24:50 in 2020,
24:51 I remember,
24:52 I was watching the news today,
24:53 they were making a plea,
24:54 from the side of the Naib court,
24:55 that present Nawaz Sharif Sahib,
24:57 so,
24:58 in 2-1.5 years,
24:59 time changes,
25:00 so,
25:01 maybe tomorrow you will be a Brahmin,
25:02 like you were a Brahmin earlier,
25:03 was there any other Shudder?
25:04 Agreed Maria,
25:05 but I will repeat the same thing,
25:08 that past experiences should not affect the future,
25:13 with those past experiences,
25:15 the future should be made pleasant,
25:18 and that is why,
25:19 most of the parties,
25:20 except the Muslim League,
25:21 are talking about the level playing field,
25:23 that there are situations,
25:24 where they have to say this,
25:26 and I understand,
25:27 what we spoke to Moulana Fazl Rahman,
25:29 this is what was discussed,
25:31 that everyone should get a chance,
25:33 and the one who is accepted,
25:35 who has strength,
25:36 who has majority,
25:37 according to him,
25:38 he should be a politician.
25:39 Why does Moulana Sahib feel,
25:40 that everyone is not getting a chance,
25:42 because the caretaker set up of KP,
25:44 later on,
25:45 by telling the election commission of Pakistan,
25:46 the cabinet had to be changed,
25:48 because at that time,
25:49 a governor was related to JOIF,
25:52 a sizable cabinet of people,
25:54 was related to JOIF,
25:56 now what do you think of JOIF,
25:58 why is the level playing field not visible,
26:00 you are an ally,
26:01 what do you convey,
26:02 what is the conversation you have?
26:04 I will present 3-4 points in front of you,
26:07 in many things,
26:08 I will have to repeat it,
26:10 first I will request you,
26:12 that the caretaker government,
26:14 was made with everyone's cooperation,
26:16 everyone is responsible for it,
26:18 everyone was sitting,
26:20 everyone agreed,
26:22 agreed and suggested,
26:24 that these are our candidates,
26:26 the Prime Minister,
26:27 whatever decision he will make,
26:28 we will all accept it,
26:29 we will vote for him,
26:31 and after 3-4 days of consultation,
26:33 this decision was made,
26:35 now if you have made a decision,
26:37 then you will have to take the same responsibility,
26:40 as other Jamaats will have to take,
26:42 of the caretaker government,
26:43 this is the first point,
26:44 the second point is,
26:46 when you talk about the level playing field,
26:48 then who are you demanding from?
26:50 From us?
26:51 You are demanding the level playing field from PMLN,
26:54 so how will we do the level playing field for you?
26:57 If the election commission does not give a date,
27:00 then PMLN is responsible,
27:03 if the President,
27:04 who is related to PTI,
27:06 and he was hesitant to take an oath,
27:10 and whatever he did,
27:11 he probably should not have done,
27:13 if they do not give the date of the election,
27:15 which the Supreme Court has also said,
27:16 then Mr. Nawaz Sharif should go to them,
27:18 to give the date,
27:19 and if schemes are going on,
27:22 which you think are illegal,
27:23 and Mr. Shah said a very appropriate thing,
27:25 I am with Mr. Shah,
27:27 and if there are really such schemes going on,
27:29 which are not in the purview of the caretaker,
27:32 then it should be stopped,
27:33 and for that there is a way,
27:34 or the election commission,
27:35 or the court,
27:36 PMLN is not a court,
27:37 that PMLN will go and stop the schemes,
27:40 so when it comes to the level playing field,
27:43 then you have to think about it,
27:45 that who you are going to ask for help,
27:47 how?
27:48 you tell me,
27:49 the three people who are being mentioned,
27:51 who are being accused of PMLN,
27:53 the schemes of Punjab,
27:55 the beneficiary of all of them,
27:56 No, no,
27:57 see,
27:58 wait,
27:59 if the caretaker gets credit at this time,
28:01 then PMLN will not get it,
28:03 PMLN will get credit,
28:05 gold,
28:06 16 months of credit and burden,
28:07 and if we had a personal talk with you,
28:09 then everyone would have said,
28:10 you have taken the burden,
28:11 you have given the answer of 16 months,
28:13 and because of this,
28:14 we went to the streets,
28:15 I was in the prison,
28:16 I was going to the prison everyday,
28:18 for 6 hours,
28:19 to request people,
28:21 to keep my record in front,
28:23 what did we do to tell,
28:24 so people mobilized,
28:25 otherwise,
28:26 if before that,
28:27 if we had a talk of drawing rooms,
28:29 then 500 people should not have come out,
28:32 so the thing is,
28:33 whoever will work,
28:34 will get the credit,
28:35 if the caretaker does a great job,
28:37 then the credit will go to the caretaker,
28:38 and if she is doing an illegitimate job,
28:40 then the court and the election commission,
28:41 should take notice of it,
28:43 we have that burden of 16 months,
28:46 whose work we have done,
28:48 for the 4 years of our partnership,
28:50 from 2013 to 2017,
28:52 keeping it in front of people,
28:54 and the stabilization we tried to do in this,
28:57 we try to make people listen to us,
29:00 now this is a very unjust thing,
29:02 second thing,
29:03 what Barrister sir said,
29:06 Shah sir said a very good thing,
29:08 Barrister sir said something about polarization,
29:10 which is absolutely right,
29:11 you must remember,
29:12 Bilawal Bhutto sir,
29:13 stood on the floor of the assembly,
29:15 and said,
29:16 Imran Khan,
29:17 we are with you,
29:18 and Imran Khan stepped forward,
29:19 you must remember,
29:20 Shahbaz Sharif sir said,
29:22 we want to sit with you and write the charter of economy,
29:25 so Imran Khan wrote it,
29:26 he is saying,
29:27 for the record,
29:28 this is the wing of PGI,
29:30 Barrister sir,
29:31 including Ali Muhammad,
29:33 Asad Qaisar,
29:35 who are in front of the debates,
29:37 see the thing is,
29:38 it becomes a little what aboutery,
29:40 that this is what you should say,
29:42 this is not done,
29:43 this is what is called what aboutery in English,
29:45 he is saying that he has learnt from his mistakes,
29:47 I am also agreeing,
29:48 I am saying that come and sit,
29:50 the problem is that Khan sir does not agree,
29:53 whenever someone has tried,
29:55 that someone sits and without any misunderstanding,
29:58 without any abuse,
29:59 if something happens,
30:00 then in a little while Khan sir gives a statement,
30:02 that this is NRO,
30:03 I will remove him from the party,
30:04 I will do this,
30:05 I will do that,
30:06 so depolarisation,
30:07 we are ready,
30:08 but there is some responsibility,
30:10 on the leadership of PTI,
30:12 now the second thing,
30:14 that he just said,
30:16 that a person came from outside,
30:18 and today you heard about the case of Evanfields,
30:23 and when Maryam Sahiba's decision was coming,
30:26 the talks about Evanfields,
30:28 all those programs were run today,
30:31 and today when he was asking again and again,
30:33 that he was asking about Maryam Sahiba,
30:35 and today he was asking about Mian Nawaz Sharif,
30:37 and if he got to know about his relationship with Evanfields,
30:39 then what were these programs for?
30:41 Doctor sir,
30:42 today when he was asked in the NAB,
30:44 that are you,
30:45 I am not talking about NAB,
30:46 I am talking about judges,
30:48 I am agreeing with you,
30:50 he is saying that there should be no arrest,
30:52 he is saying that the state should step back,
30:54 I am just telling you,
30:56 that you read Maryam Sahiba's decision,
30:58 of the court,
30:59 and read the comments of today's court,
31:01 leave the lawyers,
31:03 they are all associated with us,
31:05 or our lawyers are associated with us,
31:07 and others are also associated with us,
31:08 the judge is also kind to us,
31:10 that is in the case of Evanfields,
31:12 if any evidence,
31:13 when the evidence was being collected,
31:15 was it PMLM's government or caretaker?
31:17 It was Imran Khan's government,
31:19 12 boxes came,
31:20 the judge was sitting,
31:21 the supervisory judge was sitting,
31:22 the judge was sitting under him,
31:24 so after all this,
31:25 if today it is being said that
31:27 there is a paper of Nawaz Sharif,
31:29 is there a paper?
31:31 Sir, all this was before the government of 2018,
31:34 you have complaints about it,
31:36 but now you don't want to go to that side,
31:38 to ask your government,
31:39 all those matters you have left to Allah,
31:41 all those matters you have left to Allah,
31:43 See, this country does not need any doubt,
31:45 there is no need for healing,
31:47 there is no doubt in this,
31:49 and now all these grudges,
31:51 which you have to address,
31:52 you have left those matters to Allah,
31:54 I am talking about equality,
31:56 you are talking today,
31:58 do you remember when Khan sir gave a speech,
32:01 that I will remove his fan,
32:03 I will remove his cooler,
32:05 I will put him in the death cell with a moustache,
32:08 today treadmill,
32:09 listen,
32:10 treadmill has gone to jail,
32:12 cycle has gone to jail,
32:14 to make Khan sir's room bigger,
32:16 the walls of jail have been broken,
32:18 that jail is equal for everyone,
32:21 and this is a jail,
32:22 there is no drawing room for anyone,
32:23 where did those things go?
32:24 Okay, Doctor,
32:25 now the matters that were before,
32:27 if I ask you Mr. Virdas,
32:29 today the election commission of Pakistan,
32:31 has released a press release,
32:33 in which they have said,
32:34 that the President says tomorrow,
32:35 that maybe the elections will be postponed,
32:37 this does not happen,
32:38 the comments that were given,
32:40 this is wrong,
32:41 that they are rejecting,
32:42 because the People's Party is talking about the date again and again,
32:44 and is asking for a date,
32:46 after today's statement,
32:48 at least you people are satisfied,
32:50 before this,
32:55 if we listen to Kakar sir's statement,
32:57 then Nasir sir will ask you about the date of the election,
32:59 Yes, Nasir sir,
33:13 what do you think,
33:14 today the election commission of Pakistan,
33:16 after this press release,
33:17 the People's Party is sure,
33:18 that the date of the election will come,
33:20 that your concern,
33:21 that will be somewhat removed,
33:23 after this press release,
33:25 see,
33:26 we consider this statement positive,
33:28 we have,
33:29 we have,
33:30 this is our opinion,
33:31 that it should be 90 days,
33:33 but if there is delimitation,
33:34 and other issues,
33:36 then it should be 100 days,
33:37 or 120 days,
33:38 but the election schedule should come,
33:41 like till 30th November,
33:43 they have said,
33:44 that the whole process of delimitation,
33:46 appeal,
33:47 everything will be done,
33:49 so we want,
33:50 that the schedule should come now,
33:52 what is the need to wait for it,
33:54 that it will come after 30th November,
33:56 so till the time the schedule doesn't come,
33:58 till then we will have,
34:00 we will have questions,
34:02 that how will the elections be held,
34:05 because we want the elections to be held soon,
34:08 and then the people who decide,
34:10 whoever they bring,
34:12 whoever they bring,
34:14 the people of Pakistan should decide,
34:16 they should not do experiments,
34:18 one experiment we have seen,
34:20 how it was done,
34:22 and how it was brought,
34:24 now the people of Pakistan should decide,
34:26 for whoever,
34:28 whoever they bring,
34:29 so you are saying,
34:30 that the date should come,
34:32 what is the reason,
34:33 you are saying,
34:34 the schedule should be announced,
34:35 why it is not happening,
34:36 why,
34:37 what is your opinion,
34:38 why the people's party is not being announced,
34:40 see,
34:42 the election commission has said,
34:44 that it will be done after 30th November,
34:46 when all this delimitation will be done,
34:48 but we are saying,
34:50 do it now,
34:51 and more people will be satisfied,
34:53 that from 1st December,
34:55 the nomination forms will start getting,
34:57 till 4th or 5th,
34:59 they will have to fill,
35:01 then whatever,
35:02 the whole process,
35:03 even if the date they have given is January,
35:06 it should go till that,
35:08 but the schedule should come,
35:10 our opinion is simple,
35:11 so Nasir my question is this,
35:13 what is your opinion,
35:15 why this schedule is not coming,
35:17 now this is not coming,
35:19 on this only,
35:21 there are if and buts,
35:23 for which the chairman has also said many times,
35:25 that the election delaying,
35:27 should not be towards the election denied,
35:31 so that is the only solution,
35:33 that the election schedule should be given,
35:35 so on this only,
35:37 it is said,
35:39 that we,
35:41 our opinion is clear,
35:43 that the punishments given to Mian sir,
35:45 are wrong,
35:47 that he did not get his salary from his son,
35:49 or the other one,
35:51 he got the right to appeal,
35:53 we have no objection on this,
35:55 they should face the law,
35:57 but the impression that is being given,
35:59 that has been said here,
36:01 that is wrong,
36:03 on which if our people talk,
36:05 then it is said that he is not happy with Mian sir,
36:07 or with Muslim League,
36:09 it is not like that,
36:11 we want that his big party,
36:13 should say that,
36:15 whatever results are coming tomorrow,
36:17 we are very happy,
36:19 if the people's party will give you a surprise,
36:21 what should happen if the impression is to be finished?
36:23 Announce the election schedule,
36:25 immediately,
36:27 so after that,
36:29 there will not be an impression,
36:31 that they are getting special treatment,
36:33 it is just a matter of date announcement,
36:35 yes, because a process will start,
36:37 then the election commission,
36:39 and everything,
36:41 it is a matter of date,
36:43 then are you saying that if the date comes,
36:45 then the level playing field will come?
36:47 I don't know what is being understood,
36:49 about the level playing field,
36:51 that the level playing field is,
36:53 that our chief minister should be appointed,
36:55 our ministers should be appointed,
36:57 all the bureaucracy should be ours,
36:59 we can take anyone we want,
37:01 or whatever, it is not like that,
37:03 the one,
37:05 who listens to the chairman,
37:07 whenever he has spoken,
37:09 everyone should get a chance,
37:11 we will understand,
37:13 the people of PTI,
37:15 the extremists,
37:17 who are facing cases,
37:19 like Imran Khan sir,
37:21 who incited people on 9th May,
37:23 but the people who are arrested,
37:25 who are women, children, elders,
37:27 they should be given token punishment,
37:29 the real mindset should be held,
37:31 who has proved people wrong,
37:33 we cannot talk to them,
37:35 but we cannot talk to Khan sir,
37:37 who has proved people wrong,
37:39 the kind of mindset he has,
37:41 but there are many other people,
37:43 who have left him,
37:45 who have made these new parties,
37:47 you are saying good PTI,
37:49 bad PTI, we can talk to good PTI,
37:51 good, bad, better, worst,
37:53 whatever we say,
37:55 we will never talk to that mindset,
37:57 neither now nor later,
37:59 who are responsible for 9th May incident,
38:01 who have made people believe this,
38:03 so many hateful statements in politics,
38:05 so many people have left him,
38:07 he himself has come and told,
38:09 that Khan sir was there,
38:11 and some other people were there,
38:13 the rest of the people,
38:15 who are sitting here,
38:17 Barrister sir, he is a clean man,
38:19 we can talk to him,
38:21 it is a good thing,
38:23 that is why I think,
38:25 Maulana Wazir Rehman sir
38:27 has also talked to him,
38:29 Barrister sir,
38:31 after today's election commission
38:33 has given his final statement.
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