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00:00 [Music]

00:11 As-salamu alaykum, viewers.

00:12 Welcome to the program.

00:14 Viewers, today you are watching the news.

00:16 The interest rate has been kept at 22%.

00:19 So that the inflation in the country is controlled.

00:22 I was watching that the dollar is a little big.

00:26 But now it is under control. 281, 282 rupees are in the Interbank and open market.

00:33 The Punjab government has passed a budget of more than 2000 rupees.

00:38 Where will that budget be spent? We will talk a little about this too.

00:41 Along with this, we were seeing that in Gaza in relation to Palestine,

00:45 the ground assault, which is started by the Israeli forces,

00:52 what is the situation there, we will also touch on that in our program.

00:56 But the biggest story, viewers, today in Pakistan, our top story,

01:01 the illegal immigrants in Pakistan,

01:05 who are present in Pakistan from any part of the world,

01:10 the government of Pakistan has decided in relation to their immigration,

01:15 that those who are registered, who are in any part of Pakistan,

01:21 a foreigner is present and he has registration with the relevant police station,

01:27 with the interior ministry, he has applied for asylum in any place.

01:31 So in that regard, the policy of immigration is very clear.

01:36 The Foreign Office has also clarified that only those people are being taken out of the country

01:40 who have no legal basis in any way,

01:45 according to the laws of Pakistan, according to the international laws of Pakistan,

01:49 there is no basis to live according to them.

01:52 So they are only being taken out of the country.

01:54 And obviously, we saw from some close up that Pakistan was being targeted for criticism.

01:59 That the work that Pakistan is doing is against the international laws.

02:04 That Pakistan is working against the human rights of the people.

02:14 There is no such thing.

02:16 The government of Pakistan has clearly stated,

02:18 has stated several times that it is working against the illegal immigrants in Pakistan.

02:26 It should have been done long ago.

02:28 It is late, it is right, but it is a good decision.

02:30 We support it.

02:32 Pakistan has obviously been targeting illegal immigrants for 40 years.

02:36 We have kept a lot of water here.

02:39 We have forced them, but in the end, Pakistan had to suffer for it.

02:44 Therefore, it is a good decision.

02:46 Now, recently, there was a meeting of the Cabinet today.

02:50 This issue was also discussed there.

02:52 And our interior minister, Mr. Faraz Bugti, what did he say about this?

02:57 Let's listen to you.

03:01 We will not compromise on any kind of illegal immigrants who are living in Pakistan after November.

03:09 We are talking about illegal citizens who do not have any travel documents.

03:15 We will remove them in the first stage.

03:17 We have done geofencing.

03:19 We have identified where they are.

03:21 We are encouraging voluntary return.

03:24 Those who return voluntarily, will have less difficulties.

03:28 Those who we will take, will have difficulties.

03:31 Zulkarnain, our representative, covers the interior ministry.

03:37 He asks what is the status on the ground?

03:40 How many people have been outside the country on a voluntary basis?

03:44 How many people are being targeted?

03:46 The illegal immigrants will be dealt with from November 1.

03:52 And the latest decision that has been taken by the Cabinet, what is it?

03:57 How will the implementation proceed?

03:59 How will the law enforcement agencies be brought into action?

04:03 Obviously, because the international level is being kept in a special eye on this matter.

04:08 The World Cup is going on in India.

04:12 You saw what our Afghan friend, the young player of the cricket team, commented.

04:18 Thank you very much, Mr. Zulkarnain.

04:19 Tell us, how many people have been there?

04:22 And how many illegal immigrants are there in Pakistan?

04:26 The situation of those immigrants is on our radar.

04:31 And the interior ministry is leading it.

04:34 Yes, Mr. Zulkarnain.

04:35 Yes, Mr. Khabar, today the Cabinet meeting was held.

04:40 And a briefing has also been given.

04:42 We have made all our preparations.

04:44 All the foreign residents in Pakistan who are illegally coming here.

04:50 And they are the ones who are illegally coming here.

04:52 They have no documents of any kind.

04:55 There are some foreigners who have POCs.

04:58 Or they have been registered.

05:02 But these are the people who have no documents of any kind.

05:05 And among them are those who are involved in serious crimes.

05:09 Some are in jails, some are outside.

05:11 Cases are also being filed against them.

05:13 But today, in the Fakih Cabinet, the section 3 of the Foreign Act, 1946, has been implemented.

05:20 And all four provinces have been instructed to bring the holding centre in their presence.

05:27 In addition, they have been told that all the geomapping, geofencing, their details have been provided.

05:34 That has also been prepared.

05:35 Because now there is one day left.

05:37 The operation from November 1st to the end of November will be prepared.

05:41 Some provinces have also given their report that they have established a holding centre.

05:45 All those who are illegal will be arrested and kept in the centre.

05:49 Then they will be immigrated.

05:52 And in this regard, the anti-human cell of the FIA will be activated.

05:57 Their centres will also be made.

05:59 And a suggestion has also been given that instead of making centres outside,

06:04 either the holding centres will be made and their camps will be brought in place there.

06:08 Or they will be sent to jail for being arrested under the Foreign Act.

06:12 So their immigration process should start there.

06:16 So that after that, they can be...

06:18 Okay, Mr. Dhruv Karnan, so far, how many people have voluntarily been introduced by the government

06:25 that those who will reveal themselves, they will not be subjected to any legal proceedings.

06:31 They will be allowed to go.

06:32 They have gone.

06:33 And what is the government expecting?

06:35 What is the number game we have?

06:37 How many such illegal, unauthorised people are there in Pakistan

06:40 who are being removed by the government or who are being removed, we are asking for.

06:44 Look, 92,928 have gone so far.

06:49 And in yesterday's date, 6,382 people have gone,

06:53 of whom 1623 are men and 1594 women are included,

06:57 while 3,165 children are also there.

07:00 So a total of 223 families are made, which have been transported there by 271 vehicles

07:06 and have been sent back.

07:09 So this number is increasing day by day.

07:11 Tomorrow, because it will be the last day,

07:13 it is also being said that the number is increasing a lot.

07:18 People are trying to leave as soon as possible.

07:22 Mr. Dhruv Karnan, please tell us that the prisoners in the jails

07:27 were living in Pakistan illegally and they have been arrested for this crime.

07:32 So has the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the government of Pakistan given any policy for them?

07:37 And if they have committed a crime,

07:39 in other words, if they have committed a crime and it is a minor crime,

07:43 then is there any way to forgive them for their death or for their punishment?

07:49 Especially for women and children, what is the policy for them?

07:53 Please shed some light on this.

07:55 The decision that was made to those who wanted to leave or who are living here

08:01 was that women and children will not be arrested.

08:06 The decision that was made regarding those who are in jail

08:10 is that they will not be sent back.

08:13 The trial of those who have been punished and those who are facing charges will be completed.

08:18 And after that, a separate policy will be prepared.

08:21 One more important thing to tell you is that those who are living here

08:25 and those who have identification cards but are Afghani,

08:28 the government has also decided that their proper family,

08:33 the family in which they were added and made their ID cards,

08:36 their DNA will also be done.

08:38 A separate policy will be prepared in that regard.

08:42 Now, because it is being said that those who are living here illegally,

08:46 those who do not have any kind of document,

08:49 will be sent to the first phase.

08:51 Then in the second phase, they will be rectified

08:54 that those who have made their identification cards,

08:56 which families they have entered and made their ID cards.

08:59 Whether they are really Pakistani or they are foreigners.

09:03 That will be verified with the family tree, right?

09:05 With Nadra, it will be verified with the family tree.

09:07 But there is one more thing.

09:09 If Mr. Chaudhary allows me, I will ask one more question.

09:12 The question is that the people, the women who married the men of Pakistan,

09:18 their status was automatically converted.

09:21 But the Pakistani women who married the Afghans,

09:25 I remember that Mr. Ali Khan said that they will not get the nationality of Pakistan.

09:30 So are there such women that they will have to go to Pakistan, their husbands too?

09:38 Yes, this question was also asked by the Minister of Interior, Mr. Faraz Bugti.

09:43 He has made it clear that the government has not made any changes to its policy.

09:48 That if a woman has married a foreigner, then she should also get nationality.

09:55 This is not the case.

09:57 If a Pakistani married a foreigner, then he can get nationality.

10:01 Yes, the woman can get it.

10:03 Yes, the woman can get it, but the man will not get it.

10:05 This has been made clear.

10:07 And there has not been any suggestion in this yet,

10:10 that this policy should be changed, nor does the government seem to have any intention of considering this policy.

10:15 This is a very important matter.

10:17 But in this regard, it has been said that they will also be considered as foreigners here,

10:22 until they get nationality.

10:24 And nationality will be in the same situation that if they are Pakistani men and married a foreign woman,

10:32 then they can get it.

10:34 Yes, Mr. Chouhi.

10:36 Mr. Chouhi, let's come to you.

10:38 First, tell us the situation in Lahore.

10:40 In which area of Lahore is there more concentration of foreigners?

10:42 And if you have any other questions, you can ask them.

10:45 No, in all these closed roads, in northern Lahore and in the poor areas,

10:52 there is more concentration of foreigners.

10:54 But there are many businesses doing business.

10:56 But I need answers to four questions.

10:58 First, will we be successful in getting rid of all these illegal foreigners in Pakistan?

11:08 Number one.

11:09 Number two, those people who have made fake Pakistani documents and are taking bribes here,

11:15 are you seeing any great success in getting rid of them?

11:21 And how many people will Pakistan leave in this process?

11:26 And will the wave of terrorism in Pakistan increase further as a result of these steps?

11:36 Mr. Chouhi, you have talked about the conspiracy.

11:41 So, let me tell you that a group was caught from Islamabad in the past few days.

11:46 And they were Pakistani.

11:48 One became their father and the other became their uncle.

11:50 They talked to them for three lakh rupees.

11:52 And then they made a document and gave it to them.

11:56 They became a certificate and went to Nadra.

11:58 When they went to Nadra, there was verification.

12:00 Then it was found out that all this was happening through conspiracy.

12:03 So, this is very easy for Nadra.

12:05 The reason for this is that this campaign started in the past in the era of Chaudhary Nisar.

12:09 So, at that time, it was also revealed that the Afghans,

12:12 especially those who are Pakistani,

12:15 join the Nadra officers in those families.

12:19 After which they joined your family.

12:22 And then their Pakistani identity was revealed.

12:24 Let's go with this question.

12:26 We will talk to Zia ul Haq, our Peshawar bureau chief.

12:30 Because this is a big business.

12:32 It was used a lot on the Peshawar side.

12:36 And people have done this illegally.

12:38 How many foreigners are in Pakistan now?

12:41 Now, how many numbers have been given?

12:45 1.7 million.

12:47 1.7 million, which is the official figure.

12:51 Okay, Mr. Zia ul Haq, tell us,

12:53 obviously, more focus is in Peshawar.

12:57 There are border areas in different parts of Pakistan.

13:00 How is the border crossing done?

13:02 How is it illegally given?

13:05 What kind of environment are you seeing there?

13:08 And what kind of steps is your provincial government taking?

13:12 What has been decided today?

13:14 Have they prepared a groundwork?

13:18 Or are we seeing that,

13:20 like in the past, we saw that such campaigns were started.

13:23 But we saw it only as far as the news.

13:27 No such thing has happened in the past.

13:29 So it's a follow-up.

13:31 Yes, Mr. Zia ul Haq.

13:35 I will continue to tell you that the difference between the past and the current action

13:39 is very clear in this regard.

13:41 This time, all the agencies,

13:43 including NADRA, FIA, Special Branch, Intelligence Bureau, Police,

13:48 the Maqmad Entry, and our Pak Army,

13:52 are all on the same page,

13:54 are all looking at the return of the volunteers with a common goal.

14:00 And let me also tell you that the people who are going back,

14:04 usually it was seen that when it was winter,

14:07 the migrant workers would try to stay in Pakistan.

14:11 Before that, they would go back voluntarily,

14:15 or those who were caught, those who were arrested in crime,

14:18 they were forcibly sent across the border.

14:22 But they would try to save themselves in the winter.

14:26 But this time, we have come to see

14:28 that they have made a holding camp in Khyber,

14:30 in the district of Khyber, and in Peshawar.

14:32 So there we saw some families

14:34 who have thanked Pakistan formally

14:37 that they have made a holding camp in Pakistan,

14:40 they have hosted them, they have taken care of them,

14:43 and now they are going back.

14:45 Some people have also prayed for Pakistan.

14:47 As Mr. Chaudhary said,

14:49 people here have problems, who have businesses.

14:52 So in terms of business,

14:54 the way there is a seriousness in the operation,

14:57 seeing that seriousness,

14:59 some migrant workers who have a huge investment

15:02 in different places in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa,

15:04 they are selling their property at high prices.

15:07 Because they feel that if this deadline is over,

15:10 then the way the arrest will start,

15:13 they are understanding that they will be harmed,

15:16 and will be defamed, and will be sent forcibly,

15:20 and then they can be blacklisted.

15:23 Now, the holding camp has been made there,

15:26 and the people who are going back voluntarily,

15:29 they are being monitored, they are being checked.

15:32 And the way Mr. Hassan asked,

15:34 the people involved in crime,

15:36 their records are being checked.

15:38 And those who are involved in ordinary crime,

15:40 they were sent before, from jail,

15:42 to cross the border.

15:44 But those who are in terrorism,

15:46 their entire record is being checked.

15:49 And there was a threat here,

15:51 that the people involved in terrorism,

15:53 they could also run away in the name of this,

15:55 those who are in need of the government of Pakistan.

15:57 So, for them also, they are being screened,

15:59 and they are being checked.

16:01 That's why this holding camp is being made.

16:03 They are given a stay here,

16:05 they are given food, water,

16:08 and all registration points are made here.

16:11 Mr. Jawla, please tell us,

16:14 you said that people have a huge investment.

16:18 So, these 17 lakh illegal immigrants in Pakistan,

16:22 whether they are Afghani, or African,

16:24 they belong to any country,

16:26 so when they are illegal,

16:28 so that investment,

16:30 if they have purchased properties,

16:32 or opened a business,

16:34 is it in their name?

16:36 And if they have,

16:38 if they have made properties,

16:40 then under which law have they purchased properties?

16:42 I don't understand this.

16:44 Yes, this is through third parties,

16:48 mostly through Pakistanis,

16:50 the investment is made.

16:52 Like, if you go to Arab countries,

16:54 there also,

16:56 there is a huge investment in the name of Pakistanis.

16:59 And those who have a card,

17:01 they were allowed to do business for themselves.

17:05 Because they were internationally declared refugees,

17:09 they were allowed to do business.

17:11 So, in that context, they did their business.

17:13 But now, this is being withdrawn,

17:15 the facilities are being withdrawn permanently.

17:17 Because the UN is still saying that

17:19 the status of refugees is still there.

17:22 You cannot forcefully send them.

17:25 So, that's why,

17:27 the voluntary people who are going,

17:29 all their data is being recorded.

17:31 And those who have a business,

17:33 all the details are being compiled

17:35 regarding their business.

17:37 And when they are going back,

17:39 all the things are being revealed,

17:41 that whether they were doing business

17:43 through the Pakistani national,

17:45 or if they have done business,

17:47 then how was their identity?

17:49 They were doing business based on their identity.

17:52 Absolutely right.

17:54 My colleague has clarified this.

17:56 The people who will be doing business in the first phase,

17:59 they have no documentation of any kind.

18:01 We will go to Karachi now,

18:03 but before going to Karachi,

18:05 I have a small question for you.

18:07 The border area where we had put the barbed wire,

18:09 we received news recently

18:11 that it was completely destroyed.

18:13 The movement across the border,

18:15 in some areas,

18:17 there is a check-in process.

18:19 To end that,

18:21 are you seeing any steps being taken on ground?

18:23 No, the barbed wire that has been put,

18:28 it was being told earlier also,

18:30 that it is difficult to put barbed wire in all areas.

18:32 There are some areas,

18:34 where it is very far away,

18:36 and there are mountainous areas,

18:38 where barbed wire cannot be put.

18:40 People used to infiltrate from there.

18:42 But now, this situation has been managed a lot.

18:44 And in most places,

18:46 check-ins have been made.

18:48 And the deployment from our side,

18:50 to the border,

18:52 is a critical point.

18:54 Of course,

18:56 the Afghan government

18:58 will also have to support us in this regard.

19:00 We are doing a legal work.

19:02 The movement across the border,

19:04 has been born in both directions in the past.

19:06 And it is very important to stop it.

19:08 Let's go to Karachi.

19:10 Our relatives are present there.

19:12 Karachi is also a big hub.

19:14 And the lawless foreigners are also present there.

19:16 Thank you very much.

19:18 Please tell us,

19:20 what kind of people are present there?

19:22 Are they Afghans?

19:24 Or are they other nationalities?

19:26 Of course,

19:28 we have been reading some news,

19:30 that in a good number,

19:32 some people from Bangladesh,

19:34 they also have some documents.

19:36 They are also present there.

19:38 They will also make their claim,

19:40 that we should get citizenship.

19:42 Please tell us,

19:44 what nationalities are present in Karachi?

19:46 What is the big issue?

19:48 Which segment is involved in which kind of crimes?

19:50 And what is the on-ground situation,

19:52 in the current government's decision,

19:54 in its response?

19:56 Yes.

19:58 Thank you very much.

20:00 As far as Karachi is concerned,

20:02 in a large number of places,

20:04 there are non-national historians.

20:06 There are a large number of Afghans.

20:08 And among them,

20:10 there is a large number of Afghans,

20:12 who are also citizens of Karachi.

20:14 They speak Farsi, the local language.

20:16 Along with that,

20:18 there are a large number of Bengalis.

20:20 In the 80s and 90s,

20:22 people from India also came here.

20:24 They are also citizens.

20:26 Similarly, people from Iran,

20:28 they also live here.

20:30 And some people from African countries

20:32 also live here.

20:34 So, there is a large number of people,

20:36 who are citizens of Karachi.

20:38 And the details of this,

20:40 have been told to us by the Ministry of Interior.

20:42 According to that,

20:44 from the night of October 31,

20:46 that is, when the 1st of November will begin,

20:48 all those areas,

20:50 where the non-legal historians of the country live,

20:52 have been identified.

20:54 And now, the plan will be that,

20:56 the law-enforcing institutions,

20:58 police, rangers, FIA,

21:00 and Nadra's authorities,

21:02 will reach there,

21:04 the areas that will be cordoned off.

21:06 And the documents will be checked.

21:08 And the residents,

21:10 who will not have any documents,

21:12 will be taken to a point called

21:14 Haji Camp in Karachi.

21:16 And then,

21:18 their documentation will be completed.

21:20 It is a new software.

21:22 Their data will be compiled.

21:24 And this data will be connected

21:26 with the border security.

21:28 And then,

21:30 they will be sent to the security

21:32 via buses to Jacobabad.

21:34 And then,

21:36 they will be sent to the Chaman border.

21:38 And those citizens,

21:40 who have any immigration card or documents,

21:42 will be checked and verified.

21:44 And then,

21:46 they will be allowed to do their work,

21:48 according to their means.

21:50 So far,

21:52 the Afghan citizens who have returned from Karachi,

21:54 who have voluntarily gone to the camp,

21:56 approximately,

21:58 18,000 citizens have gone.

22:00 And now,

22:02 the second phase will start

22:04 from November 1.

22:06 And those who do not have documents,

22:08 will be sent immediately.

22:10 Because earlier,

22:12 those who did not have documents,

22:14 were arrested and put in jail.

22:16 And there were cases.

22:18 Do you have any data on how many people

22:20 are present in Karachi,

22:22 and how many have voluntarily returned,

22:24 and what is the outcome?

22:26 I am thinking about that.

22:28 See, those who have voluntarily returned,

22:30 according to different sources,

22:32 approximately 18,000 people

22:34 are Afghan citizens,

22:36 who have gone through the Chaman border.

22:38 However, a large number

22:40 are still living here.

22:42 Different numbers are mentioned in this regard.

22:44 Approximately 5 lakh citizens are also mentioned,

22:46 who live in Karachi.

22:48 And along with that,

22:50 a limited number of them are also present in some cities of Sindh.

22:52 But most of the citizens live in Karachi.

22:54 And they do different work.

22:56 They do business, they do labor.

22:58 And in Karachi, there is a large network

23:00 of garbage collection,

23:02 which is also included among the Afghan citizens,

23:04 who collect garbage from their homes.

23:06 So, there are different jobs,

23:08 which are done in the city.

23:10 Mr. Faizullah, tell me,

23:12 there is the Saffron Ministry,

23:14 and in its own Zilli institutions,

23:16 there is the chief commissioner

23:18 of Afghan refugees,

23:20 and there are four commissioners.

23:22 So, many people are registered with them.

23:24 But, in all these matters,

23:26 is there any intervention in the operations?

23:28 Are these people also doing some work,

23:30 or not?

23:32 And if they are doing, then what are they doing?

23:34 Look, all the institutions are on board.

23:36 The operation that is taking place in Karachi,

23:38 I have told you that there is Nadra,

23:40 FIA, Special Branch,

23:42 Police, Rangers,

23:44 and the Afghan commissioners,

23:46 they are also being helped.

23:48 Here, one issue is being created with the Afghan citizens.

23:50 There are many such citizens,

23:52 who have their identity documents,

23:54 but because of their illegal background,

23:56 they have not been able to get

23:58 their women's documents documented.

24:00 That is, if a man has documents in a house,

24:02 his wife does not have them.

24:04 So, this will be a very big problem for them,

24:06 because the one who does not have the documents,

24:08 will be sent back to Pakistan at any cost.

24:10 So, this situation will also have to be seen,

24:12 because the center that has been created

24:14 in the Haji camp,

24:16 now all the illegal immigrants

24:18 will be taken there in the first stage,

24:20 and all their data will be collected there.

24:22 And all the illegal citizens

24:24 will be sent back to Afghanistan.

24:26 Or if they are African citizens,

24:28 then they will be contacted by the consulate,

24:30 and they will be sent there.

24:32 But most of the citizens,

24:34 because there are Afghans in Karachi,

24:36 so they will be sent there.

24:38 The situation you are telling us,

24:40 means that there will be complications,

24:42 there will be complications,

24:44 which are apparently being done.

24:46 Like everyone is listening,

24:48 there will be complications,

24:50 which are apparently being done.

24:52 Like everyone is listening,

24:54 there will be complications,

24:56 which are apparently being done.

24:58 See, this was a difficult decision,

25:00 we had to do it,

25:02 we should have done it long ago.

25:04 Viewers, now the break is coming,

25:06 after the break we will take you to Toyota,

25:08 and our representatives in Peshawar

25:10 and Karachi will talk to us

25:12 on this issue.

25:14 Obviously, we have accepted this challenge,

25:16 and we have to go to the final stage.

25:18 [Music]

25:20 [Music]

25:22 Welcome back, viewers,

25:24 now we will take you to Quetta,

25:26 our Bureau Chief is present there,

25:28 he knows that Quetta,

25:30 especially the border areas,

25:32 what is the situation there,

25:34 which is in the non-national Tariq-e-Nawaz-ul-Pakistan,

25:36 which is in the non-national Tariq-e-Nawaz-ul-Pakistan,

25:38 regarding their situation.

25:40 Yes, Mustafa, thank you very much.

25:42 Tell us a little,

25:44 that the whole issue of Peshawar,

25:46 and the situation in Karachi,

25:48 is also in front of you.

25:50 So, in this regard,

25:52 what steps are being taken in Quetta,

25:54 obviously, there too,

25:56 in a large number of countries,

25:58 there are illegal immigrants,

26:00 so regarding them,

26:02 when the government announced this announcement,

26:04 decided to leave by November 1,

26:06 so how many people have gone so far,

26:08 and how many people's fate,

26:10 in the coming days,

26:12 you see that the government is thinking.

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26:18 Thank you, Mr. Khawar,

26:20 if we see the situation in Balochistan,

26:22 the Afghan immigrants living here,

26:24 or we categorize them,

26:26 the non-legally living Afghans,

26:28 the number of them is very high,

26:30 but if we see the situation

26:32 of the last 28-29 days,

26:34 as the government announced on October 3,

26:36 that the non-legally living Afghans,

26:38 the non-legally living Afghans,

26:40 are not allowed to enter the country,

26:42 and the non-legally living Afghans,

26:44 are not allowed to leave the country,

26:46 and then we see the situation,

26:48 that our border,

26:50 the Chaman border,

26:52 there, by the way,

26:54 in the last 28-29 days,

26:56 more than 26,000 people,

26:58 have gone back to Afghanistan,

27:00 whereas,

27:02 if we see the situation today,

27:04 the number of people going back,

27:06 was the highest,

27:08 even now, the information is that,

27:10 the international border,

27:12 has a large number of caravans,

27:14 going towards the Afghan border,

27:16 towards the Bab-e-Dusti,

27:18 and it is possible that,

27:20 the number of people going back,

27:22 will be the highest,

27:24 compared to the last month.

27:26 Similarly, the Barab-Chah border,

27:28 from Darbandin,

27:30 has also been reported,

27:32 that a large number of people,

27:34 are going back to Afghanistan,

27:36 whereas, the border of Shorawak,

27:38 is being crossed by caravans,

27:40 to reach Afghanistan.

27:42 Now, we will have to see,

27:44 that the way the government,

27:46 had decided, and later,

27:48 it was categorized,

27:50 that the illegal Afghan citizens,

27:52 will have to go back,

27:54 so the illegal Afghan citizens,

27:56 have started to go back,

27:58 but we are also seeing,

28:00 that the Afghan immigrants,

28:02 who had come out of the camp,

28:04 and had come to the cities,

28:06 and if this situation continues,

28:08 then we can say that,

28:10 even though the deadline will be over,

28:12 but this situation is being seen,

28:14 that the number of Afghan citizens,

28:16 who are going back,

28:18 will increase daily,

28:20 and during the next week,

28:22 this number,

28:24 can go up by a lot.

28:26 Okay, Musfa, tell us,

28:28 that the news that we read,

28:30 in Zahra, in Islamabad,

28:32 or in other parts of Pakistan,

28:34 in terms of the border with Iran,

28:36 and the smuggling,

28:38 so since the government,

28:40 has decided,

28:42 do you see any effect,

28:44 on the smuggling activities,

28:46 that are being done illegally,

28:48 and the illegal activities,

28:50 that are being done illegally,

28:52 so do you see any positive,

28:54 or negative effect on that?

28:56 Yes, of course,

29:02 the smuggling activities,

29:04 will have a lot of effect,

29:06 and they have had an effect,

29:08 if we look at the last 15 days,

29:10 then we can see,

29:12 that the ratio of smuggling,

29:14 has decreased,

29:16 but here, we have to state,

29:18 that the smuggling,

29:20 is not only done by the Afghan citizens,

29:22 who are coming illegally,

29:24 but the locals,

29:26 who are here,

29:28 are also involved,

29:30 and the smugglers,

29:32 and the smugglers,

29:34 are definitely worried,

29:36 that the ratio of smuggling,

29:38 has suddenly decreased,

29:40 and the situation is,

29:42 that there is no smuggling,

29:44 but this is a good thing,

29:46 that the people of North Baluchistan,

29:48 are coming here,

29:50 and the smugglers,

29:52 are also involved,

29:54 and the smugglers,

29:56 are also involved,

29:58 so is it true,

30:00 that some people are coming here,

30:02 and you have received some information,

30:04 because we have heard,

30:06 about the old area of Fatah,

30:08 and Baluchistan,

30:10 that people are coming here,

30:12 illegally,

30:14 so can you tell us,

30:16 if you have received any information,

30:18 or you have received any information,

30:20 or you have received any information,

30:22 regarding this matter,

30:24 yes, Mr. Khawar,

30:26 we will tell you,

30:28 and our observation is,

30:30 that after the government announcement,

30:32 and the administrative action,

30:34 of all the districts,

30:36 and the administrative action,

30:38 the result of that action,

30:40 is that in the last 29 days,

30:42 26000 people have returned to Afghanistan,

30:44 so we can say,

30:46 that on a daily basis,

30:48 if we add the ratio,

30:50 no, no, you didn't understand my question,

30:52 Mr. Mustafa, I am talking to you,

30:54 that people are returning from Pakistan,

30:56 are they entering Pakistan,

30:58 illegally,

31:00 or not,

31:02 when that path has been blocked,

31:04 yes, I am telling you,

31:08 that the administrative action,

31:10 that has been taken,

31:12 not only the people,

31:14 who were illegally,

31:16 the people of Afghanistan,

31:18 have started returning,

31:20 and their number has reached 26000,

31:22 they are returning,

31:24 because the administrative action,

31:26 and the government action,

31:28 is observing the situation,

31:30 so on this basis,

31:32 Mr. Ghulam Sain,

31:34 you should also join us in the discussion,

31:36 and Mr. Chaudhary,

31:38 you can ask questions,

31:40 and Mr. Mustafa,

31:42 you can also comment on the dollars,

31:44 that are being spent,

31:46 Mr. Chaudhary, you can ask questions,

31:48 the people who are returning,

31:50 are they poor,

31:52 or are they business people,

31:54 who have a lot of money,

31:56 and they are going back,

31:58 and how is the Afghan government,

32:00 taking all these actions,

32:02 do you have any negotiations,

32:04 with them,

32:06 because they were very bitter,

32:08 in the last few days,

32:10 they,

32:12 a few Khawar government,

32:14 tried to send a truck,

32:16 for their earthquake,

32:18 Mr. Khawar, you were with us,

32:20 so,

32:22 so,

32:24 as a Pakistani,

32:26 I don't see anything good,

32:28 but,

32:30 is there any problem,

32:32 is there any negotiation,

32:34 or are you just doing one sided,

32:36 negotiations,

32:38 Mr. Mustafa, the question is,

32:40 when they go from the border,

32:42 are they being sent there,

32:44 or are they,

32:46 forced to go back,

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32:50 [Arabic]

32:52 [Arabic]

32:54 [Arabic]

32:56 I have a question for Mr. Chaudhry. There are people who are returning to their country. Are these people also Afghans or are they poor?

33:11 The answer to your question is that we can see that the poor people who have no means of transportation are returning to their country.

33:26 Not only the illegal Afghan people, but also the Afghan immigrants who were living here despite having legal documents, a large number of them have also joined this process and are returning to their country.

33:40 It is not possible to say what the Afghan government is planning to do with them. But it is clear that they are returning to their country and will be living in their own areas.

33:56 It is a matter of time before we know what their citizenship will be or what facilities they will be provided.

34:10 The smuggling ratio has decreased in the last 25-26 days. The smuggling agencies have also started their operations. The smuggling ratio is very low.

34:30 Mr. Khawar, you know that the registered Afghan population is 3 million plus and the unregistered population is 1.7 million.

34:44 If they are also returning and the figure of 26,000 is the same, then the number of people who have been smuggled is not a big number.

34:53 This is a strange thing that Mr. Mustafa Tarim has said.

35:00 When the consolidated data comes, the government is looking at the whole situation and how many have been smuggled and how many have been stopped.

35:09 Mr. Mustafa Tarim, thank you very much. Let's come to you. Especially, this is a matter of dollars. Since the KTK government has come, there has been a lot of work on it.

35:22 We are seeing that the dollar has come down a lot in comparison to the rupee.

35:27 What are the things going on in your area, where you can see smuggling of dollars?

35:36 The way this illegal smuggling is being operated against the refugees, the same way the dollar is being operated against the refugees,

35:48 all the agencies are in a loop and are being operated against them through coordinated efforts.

35:55 The main hub is Chowk Gyaadgaar, where most of the dollars were illegally sold.

36:06 It has been controlled to a large extent and all the agencies have played their full role.

36:11 You have also asked this question, and so has Hassan Bhai. The question that was raised about the people in the jails,

36:20 about 500 prisoners are still in the Peshawar jail, and it has been decided that those who have been arrested illegally will be sent to Afghanistan by 31 October.

36:32 And there is no problem for those who are living legally. And along with this, I would like to say that Pakistan has also taken some good steps in this regard.

36:41 Right now, a large number of our children are studying in our government schools, who are living legally.

36:49 And the way Hassan asked, are the refugees coming back? They are definitely coming, who have valid documents.

36:55 The valid documents are coming and they are also taking residence here.

37:02 And for them, as it is being said that there are about 9 lakhs in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, the Agwan Commissionate,

37:08 Hassan also asked what is the role of the Agwan Commissionate? The most important role at the moment is that of the Agwan Commissionate.

37:13 Because they monitor all the camps built here through them and they have the data.

37:19 And based on their data, all these proceedings are being carried out.

37:25 The Minister of Saffron is absolutely right.

37:30 And the government is not only facilitating them, but also giving them money.

37:37 And I think in a very good way, all these matters are moving forward.

37:41 Thank you very much for giving time.

37:43 Now let's go to the break and after the break we will talk.

37:49 All this process has been started. It was long overdue and it should have been done.

37:54 Now, what effects have been seen on the economy of Pakistan so far?

37:58 What effects will be seen in the coming days?

38:01 Mr. Farhan Bukhari will be with us. We will talk to him. Stay with us.

38:10 Ladies and gentlemen, you remember that across the border, smuggling of dollars, wheat, sugar,

38:17 whenever there is a shortage of anything, it is a big challenge for us to stop smuggling on the border.

38:26 Mr. Farhan Bukhari is with us. Mr. Farhan, please tell us.

38:30 This decision should have been taken long ago. It's good that it's done.

38:35 So, what are the effects of this on the economy of Pakistan in the coming days?

38:40 Because there is a formal economy and an informal economy.

38:43 And people like you who are watching, they say that the magnitude of the informal economy is very high

38:50 with the border region, Iran, Afghanistan.

38:54 Now, will this decision really affect it or will we see these things on paper?

39:03 Thank you very much, Mr. Ghumman.

39:05 One has to admit that the good effects that have been in recent days, the money has been better.

39:14 This has proven that in the past, if the governments could not do this, then the real loss was of intention.

39:22 There was no talk of capacity in it.

39:24 They could have done it, but due to various reasons, that decision was not made.

39:30 So, it's a good thing that it's been made.

39:33 Now, the economy of Pakistan, the State Bank has also reported in recent days.

39:39 It is also evident from other places that the economy is in a state of sluggishness.

39:45 And it is said that if the rate of growth increases by 3% in the current financial year,

39:52 by next June, then it will probably be a good situation.

39:57 It is obvious that there are many problems in the economy.

40:01 And until you solve these problems, you have improved the currency,

40:09 but to improve it further or to stop it at the current level,

40:15 you need to increase your exports.

40:19 And you should try to make the same things in your country.

40:29 Now, this is a solution that people have talked about for a long time in the past,

40:39 but it does not happen because a big policy change is needed for it.

40:43 Mr. Farhan Bukhari, you are a big critic of the Pakistani economy.

40:49 You should acknowledge that the state institutions under the leadership of Army Chief Asim Muneer

40:54 and Anwarullah Khakhar's KTKR government have created an environment

40:59 where the dollar has come down by 50 rupees today.

41:04 And it is expected that it will come down to 250 rupees if this trend continues.

41:11 This is a major achievement.

41:13 Secondly, the price of petrol has also decreased and there is a possibility of increasing.

41:19 You are absolutely right.

41:21 And that is why I am telling you that you need to handle these matters and end the uncertainty.

41:28 Because there are no surpluses in the country at the moment.

41:30 And the leaders who have been credited, I think the biggest credit is of General Asim Muneer and his team.

41:39 Because, you see, the previous government of Mr. Shabaz Sharif for 16 months,

41:44 the situation of the rupee was so bad, and despite that,

41:48 even then, the leader used to say a lot that I will bring it to 200 rupees.

41:52 That did not happen, but the opposite happened.

41:54 So, the character of the civilian government that has been in place for years is not very good.

42:01 Thank you very much, Mr. Farhan Bukhari.

42:03 The topic will continue with you.

42:05 We have seen that the Supreme Court decision was challenged in the NAB.

42:11 In that regard, Hassan, what are you seeing?

42:13 Tomorrow, I think, there is a hearing for this.

42:15 And what is your opinion on this?

42:17 First of all, let me give you a piece of news.

42:19 The news is that the Supreme Court decision against the military courts,

42:23 tomorrow, the loyal government is going to appeal against it.

42:27 And in which, basically, a short order has just come.

42:31 And in that regard, the opinion of the loyal government has come forward.

42:35 They are saying that this decision is a threat to Pakistan's national security.

42:41 And its fundamental reason is that many civilians are working in the armed forces.

42:48 If someone spies, then their case will go to the military courts of the CRPC instead of the military courts.

42:57 So, this thing is a big concern for them.

42:59 This is contrary to the national interest.

43:01 That is why it is being challenged.

43:03 And tomorrow, I hope, the application will be released.

43:06 Yes, yes.

43:07 Yes, Judge Sir, your comment on this, Sir?

43:09 No, let the Supreme Court decision come first in both the issues.

43:13 We will talk about it in detail.

43:16 Whatever work is done against national interest, we have no objection to it.

43:21 Absolutely.

43:23 Ladies and Gentlemen, we will meet again tomorrow, InshaAllah.

43:25 Allah Hafiz.

The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman & Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain | ARY News | 30th October 2023

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