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00:00 Asalam o alikum, program of the record. I am Sadaf Abdul Jabbar. I welcome you. The host of the program, Kashif Abbasi is on annual leave. He will join you very soon. So, as of today, the responsibility of hosting the program is on my shoulders.
00:24 So, let's move on to the program and as soon as the election date is there, then new alliances are being formed, news is also coming. But today, a big scandal has come to light, that of Farhat Shehzadi.
00:35 And if we say that it is a story of corruption, then it will not be wrong. The details that have come out about the assets of Farhat Shehzadi are that from 2017 to 2020, an amazing increase of 4520 million rupees has been made.
00:55 And according to the record of the SECP, Farah Gogi is a shareholder in eight companies. In 2018, with the approval of the chairman PTI, Farah Gogi also benefited from the amnesty scheme and millions of rupees of black money was made white.
01:12 The transfer posting of the government bonds has come to light. Farah Gogi's husband worked as a director in a company in Britain. This company was demolished on February 1, 2022. On February 11, 2022, the establishment of a second company was implemented.
01:28 The number of bank accounts in Pakistan has also increased and has been seen increasing from 2019 to 2021. So what will be the impact of this matter? Because Pakistan has also been a great contributor to the movement of justice.
01:43 So this news related to them is very important. The reaction came out on this. Let's see what the Muslim League's press conference did.
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04:09 These stories, these facts, these connections and the names of companies and bank transactions,
04:19 and then the details of the assets, those characters, having revealed them, as it has
04:25 been brought in front of the people, with facts, there is a narrative.
04:30 I see that a community that was raising slogans of cleanliness, transparency, justice, that
04:42 clean and transparent slogan attracted people, made many young people its host, and those
04:52 who were the supporters of this system, who were the supporters of this system, they joined
05:01 their hopes and their resolve to change Pakistan with this community.
05:06 Unfortunately, when I see it in detail, I remember that day when it was the election
05:12 of the Senate, and during the election of the Senate, I started getting calls from the media
05:17 because the nomination papers were being filed.
05:19 So they asked me, "Who is Farhat Shehzadi, who is filing the papers?"
05:24 And in reality, I did not know the name Farhat Shehzadi.
05:28 I only knew that the name of the candidate was Farah.
05:31 And who is Farhat Shehzadi, I don't know.
05:34 I said, "I don't know.
05:36 I will ask Ijaz Chaudhary.
05:37 It is possible that it is a dedicated worker, a woman, whom I am not familiar with, and
05:44 she is filing the nomination papers for the Senate."
05:48 So when I spoke to Ijaz Chaudhary, he said, "I don't know who Farhat Shehzadi is."
05:56 After two or three hours, I got to know that the woman who had gone to file the nomination
06:03 papers, she had withdrawn the nomination papers.
06:06 So this was another delusion that the media was first telling stories that Farhat Shehzadi
06:11 was fighting the election of the Senate, and then the media started telling stories that
06:15 she had withdrawn the nomination papers.
06:17 So when I probed her after six or seven hours of effort, I found out that the woman who
06:24 wanted to become a Senator was Farah, Farah Gogi, and her real name, her documented name,
06:32 was Farhat Shehzadi.
06:33 And with the name Farhat Shehzadi, the ID card and other documents, I found out why
06:41 she withdrew the nomination papers.
06:43 So I went to the returning officer and asked him to withdraw the nomination papers.
06:48 There was no date yet, they were just filing the nomination papers.
06:51 There was no date to withdraw the nomination papers.
06:53 So he said, "When they found out that you want to become a public officeholder, you
07:01 have to declare all your assets, you have to give details to your accounts, and you
07:09 have to declare your source public."
07:14 So as soon as he heard this news, his accountant, who was filling out the form, or filing the
07:21 paper, when he told him this story, he ran.
07:25 He said, "No, no, no, no, give me my papers back."
07:28 Now this was the situation that was a painful act for the people who wanted justice in Pakistan.
07:36 A woman whose existence was neither political nor social,
07:42 So you are saying that these questions were questions and not signs.
07:45 She came to this Jamaat for a purpose, whose purpose and priority was to loot the national treasury.
07:55 And to collect the stolen money and use it to join with the First Lady.
08:02 And to get all those things from Imran Khan's treasury, proves that this was done by my
08:09 devotion, or it was done by my own effort, or it was done by the effort of the princess.
08:14 Faisal Karim Kundi sahib, this was a setup that was very convenient and connected.
08:21 Which she was using to multiply her feelings as she moved forward.
08:27 Let me move forward, Firdaus Apa, I will include other guests as well.
08:31 Faisal Karim Kundi sahib, when we see press conferences like this,
08:35 everyone has this question in their minds, whether it is corruption cases of anyone in the past,
08:39 that they should reach a logical conclusion.
08:42 But unfortunately, this does not happen.
08:44 Do you think that this case will reach a logical conclusion?
08:48 Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.
08:52 Unfortunately, this is the reality of this country that there is no punishment or reward in this country.
08:57 When you are in government, all your sins are forgiven.
09:01 When you go to the opposition, your cases are opened.
09:04 For example, in the case of the lighter vote, when you are in government, the police are in front,
09:08 and when you are outside the government, the police are behind you.
09:11 See, these things have come today as well, Farah Gogi Sahiba, this is not a matter of today.
09:16 When there was the PTI government at that time, and we used to talk about this,
09:19 the PTI people would scream and call out to defend Farah Gogi Sahiba.
09:24 Imran Khan, the chairman of the PTI, who always told people to search, search,
09:30 now it is time for them to search themselves.
09:33 Farah Gogi is not someone who is just Farah Gogi.
09:36 Farah Gogi basically played the role of the front woman for them.
09:41 With the first lady at that time, with Bushra Bibi, whenever she was at an event,
09:46 or with her, this used to happen.
09:49 So, this is not something of Farah Gogi.
09:51 Farah Gogi has worked for them, and when the preparation for the unconfidentiality was gathered,
09:56 and they understood that the preparation for the unconfidentiality was going to be successful,
10:00 then the PTI chairman first of all got Farah Gogi out of the country.
10:05 And now I know that the PTI chairman did not defend his party people as much
10:11 as he defended Farah Gogi by making long speeches in press conferences.
10:16 So, this is not Farah Gogi, this is the story of the PTI chairman and his wife's corruption.
10:22 Ghazab Kahani is one of your anchors who always tells ghazab stories.
10:27 Tell them today that you also tell a strange story, and tell ghazab stories,
10:35 so that people know that you have heard a lot.
10:37 And there was also a person named Ittisab Akbar, where is he today?
10:40 Who used to pick up files and books and then press conferences on the PID.
10:44 Have you seen him today? Where is he? In which world is he?
10:48 How many files he used to pick up and bring?
10:50 Let's ask Barrister Saif, he is with us.
10:52 Let's ask him, obviously, what will he say about his party position in this regard?
10:59 Barrister Saif, your difficulties are increasing,
11:02 and do you think they should come back and face these cases?
11:06 Yes, Sadaf, the thing is that neither Firdaus Sahiba nor Faisal Sahab
11:22 have to tell us what corruption Farah Shehzadi did, why she did it, how she did it.
11:27 The government is there, the government needs it.
11:31 Faisal Karim Sahab was also talking about it a while ago,
11:36 because I find it very difficult when people talk about such topics in a talk show,
11:40 where you have to argue with others, because there is a mischief and mischief.
11:46 I try to avoid it, but now you have touched on such a topic,
11:50 I think it is a political topic.
11:52 Now, since this is a matter of direct accusation,
11:54 I think that the 17 months that the government has been in power,
11:57 it is also related to politics, obviously, this accusation was made by you,
12:02 Barrister Saif, for zero tolerance corruption,
12:05 today your community is being accused, so the question is with you.
12:09 Yes, I am answering, but I have made a little delay,
12:13 so what sin have I committed, I am answering you.
12:15 At least don't interrupt me.
12:18 I want to say that Faisal Karim Kundi Sahab stayed in power for 17 months,
12:22 with Pakistan Muslim League, with PDM.
12:24 So who stopped him, that he has fled from Pakistan to Farah Gogi,
12:29 and the chairman of the Judicial Committee made him sit in a plane and fled from Pakistan,
12:34 so he should have brought her,
12:36 started a case against her,
12:38 did something so that today instead of accusations, he would have given some answers.
12:42 And I will say that Farah Gogi had no relationship with PTI,
12:46 nor was she an officer of PTI.
12:48 If she had any personal relationship with anyone,
12:50 then in this way I also have personal relations with big people,
12:53 and this is also the case of Karim Sahab, and Faisal Sahab,
12:55 and then there must be big relations with Doa Sahiba,
12:57 with corrupt people who have committed corruption.
12:59 This does not mean that she or her party is involved in corruption,
13:03 in an organized manner.
13:04 The second thing is that I say that who has stopped her today,
13:07 to extradite Farah Gogi, wherever she is, in whichever country she is hiding,
13:11 from there, bring her to justice, present her in the court,
13:15 there are courts, there is FIA, there is NAB, everything is there,
13:18 you act against them, it is proven that they have committed corruption,
13:22 then they should be punished in Kalma Chowk, Lahore.
13:25 If you have made a point,
13:27 that the chairman is being accused,
13:30 if there is any evidence against him, then the chairman of the Rekhan Sahab,
13:33 as it is, is already in jail.
13:34 One more, after 200 cases, 200 cases,
13:36 Okay, your point has come,
13:38 Mr. Baisakh, let's see how this case goes ahead.
13:42 You gave everyone a chance, let me also talk completely,
13:44 my point has not come yet.
13:45 The second and last point I would like to say is that
13:47 I have a request from Faisal Karim Sahab,
13:49 that he should clarify the case of Asad Majeed,
13:52 that who was his relationship with,
13:54 whose bank accounts were seized on lakhs of crores of rupees,
13:56 and then I will request from Dost Apa,
13:58 that he should clarify the case of Jahangir Tareen,
14:00 who has been declared a thief by the certified Supreme Court,
14:02 and has been disqualified,
14:04 we will bring Farah Gogi to the court,
14:07 and I will stand against him as a lawyer,
14:10 don't worry about him.
14:11 Okay, okay, your point, I hope, has been completed.
14:15 I would like to move ahead,
14:17 because I have to cover many other topics in this program,
14:19 there is a lot of discussion about the level playing field,
14:21 when today, the PPPP's Ranuha Faisal Karim Kundi Sahab,
14:24 is a great vocal, and Bilawal Sahab is also talking a lot about this,
14:28 especially when Bilawal Sahab says that,
14:30 from the beginning, when Nawaz Sharif did not come,
14:32 he was also saying the same,
14:34 he will talk about that,
14:36 but Maulana Fazlur Rehman, who is talking,
14:38 Faisal Karim Kundi Sahab,
14:39 in which he says that,
14:41 the election campaign is not running,
14:43 because the situation is such,
14:45 so he is also saying the same thing,
14:48 that they are not getting the level playing field,
14:50 how valid are their concerns,
14:52 you are very well aware of the situation in those areas,
14:55 where Maulana Sahab is saying that,
14:56 they cannot run their election campaign.
14:58 On one hand, I directly fight the election against Maulana Fazlur Rehman,
15:04 and I second his words,
15:06 the situation of the people in our area is very serious,
15:10 you have seen recently,
15:12 that last Friday,
15:14 there was a bomb blast in Lijikhan,
15:18 ID attacks on the police,
15:20 on a daily basis,
15:21 on an average daily,
15:22 one day or the other,
15:23 someone is also attacking a police station,
15:25 that day, from the tour plaza of CPEC,
15:28 terrorists took money,
15:32 and martyred a police officer,
15:34 our army and police officers are being martyred,
15:37 our government officials are being polio,
15:39 these things are happening every other day,
15:42 not just once a day,
15:43 unfortunately,
15:45 our national media is not reporting these things,
15:47 our local media is reporting,
15:49 that today, an attack was done on this police station,
15:52 and the attack continues for 2-3 hours,
15:54 after that, the attackers run away,
15:57 and the next day, they go to some other place,
16:00 so this is absolutely valid.
16:01 Look at the level playing field,
16:02 today I got to see another news,
16:04 in fact, yesterday I saw on TV,
16:07 that Mr. Amir Nawaz Sharif,
16:09 with his brother Shabaz Sharif,
16:11 and his daughter, Mariam Nawaz Sahiba,
16:13 and his entire group,
16:15 went to the Governor's house,
16:18 and his family,
16:20 a while ago, when he passed away,
16:23 they took him to the hospital,
16:24 Mr. Amir was not present there,
16:26 after that, he also chaired a meeting in Boalpur,
16:28 so does this come under the Code of Conduct,
16:32 that in the Governor's house,
16:33 you chair a meeting of a district,
16:36 and distribute the details,
16:37 and hold meetings,
16:38 so these things,
16:39 I think,
16:40 that these activities are happening in the Governor's house,
16:43 so this is against the Code of Conduct,
16:45 and if you talk about the level playing field,
16:48 so these things,
16:49 I am not saying this,
16:50 I am just saying that,
16:51 there is no level playing field,
16:52 we did not get it in 2008,
16:53 we did not get it before that,
16:54 and we did not get it after that,
16:55 but we are still in the government,
16:57 and God willing,
16:58 we will still be in the government,
16:59 Firdaus Ashraf Khan's province is Punjab,
17:02 he knows more about the Governor's house in Punjab,
17:04 and what happened there yesterday,
17:06 and how many hours of meetings were held there,
17:08 so these things,
17:09 not only these things,
17:10 the other things that we had,
17:11 we told you earlier,
17:12 the things that we know,
17:13 we tell you,
17:14 that all the people of Pakistan,
17:16 should have the right,
17:18 to elect any of their representatives,
17:21 whether they vote for PMLN,
17:23 whether they vote for PTI,
17:25 whether they vote for OPPOS party,
17:26 but for whom they vote,
17:27 they should be counted,
17:29 the RTS system should not be installed,
17:31 there should be no noise,
17:32 there should be no elections,
17:33 and the votes that are put in the ballot box,
17:36 the party that is put in,
17:37 should be counted,
17:38 if this thing does not happen this time,
17:40 then those who will be selected,
17:42 then they will be responsible for it,
17:44 because these things,
17:45 will not last long.
17:47 Okay, very interestingly,
17:50 one of your group,
17:52 if we talk about the Noon League,
17:53 especially if I talk about the OPPOS party,
17:55 it is being said that
17:56 they are getting special treatment,
17:58 and we are not getting the level playing field,
18:00 but Javed Lateef Sahib,
18:01 he says,
18:02 because Nawaz Sharif Sahib has been bailed out,
18:04 he has not been punished,
18:06 he is saying that
18:07 the level playing field has not been completed for him yet,
18:09 and how can it be done,
18:10 let us see that.
18:11 I request the courts,
18:14 that the level playing field is,
18:16 that the pending case of Nawaz Sharif,
18:21 should be fixed on a date,
18:24 I say that Nawaz Sharif should also get justice before the elections,
18:29 and I say that the chairman of PTI should also get justice before the elections,
18:37 everyone should get the level playing field,
18:40 everyone should get the opportunity to take part in the elections,
18:45 but for God's sake,
18:47 the plant of democracy,
18:49 and the plant of 9th May,
18:52 both should not be looked at equally.
18:54 Mr. Barik Singh,
18:55 Javed Lateef Sahib,
18:56 who is talking,
18:57 he has also talked about your party,
18:59 and about his own party,
19:01 about the cases of Nawaz Sharif,
19:03 do you think he is explaining correctly,
19:05 that the level playing field is being leaked,
19:07 and we have not got the complete result,
19:09 which I am assuming from his words.
19:11 As far as we are concerned,
19:15 it is very clear that,
19:17 crackdown is going on against us,
19:19 we are being allowed to attend the Jalsa,
19:21 we are being requested by the High Court,
19:25 and DC has made another excuse,
19:29 and this is happening in almost all the districts,
19:31 yesterday our people were arrested in KP,
19:33 our wife Nawaz Aman,
19:35 who was MNA,
19:36 was arrested yesterday,
19:38 and with our leadership,
19:40 and with the party,
19:41 it is clear that we are not getting the level playing field.
19:44 Faisal Karim Sahib also talked,
19:46 he is saying the same thing as Kundi Sahib,
19:48 they also have problems,
19:50 Zardar Bilawal Sahib has also said that we are not getting it,
19:54 and as far as PMLN is concerned,
19:56 PMLN needs the level playing field,
20:00 where there is no election,
20:02 and they are directly taken to the PM's house,
20:06 and the PM is given the solution,
20:08 I think that is their demand,
20:10 and the rest is being facilitated in every way,
20:13 and the biggest regret is that,
20:15 the courts of Pakistan,
20:17 the way they have facilitated them,
20:20 and the way their cases are being forgiven,
20:23 and the inquiries of the SNAP are being finished,
20:25 so I think that the level playing field,
20:28 is not being given to any other party other than PMLN,
20:31 I think that the speech of Javed Latif Sahib,
20:33 that you have heard or talked about,
20:35 that is a formal process,
20:37 and they have taken the name of PTI,
20:39 but anyway,
20:40 to put the chairman of PTI inside,
20:43 to put restrictions on PTI,
20:45 to disqualify him,
20:46 these are the conditions on which they have come back to Pakistan.
20:51 Okay, Firdaus Ashik Awan Sahiba,
20:53 your party is obviously,
20:55 holding a lot of rallies,
20:57 Mr. Aleem Khan has said something the other day,
21:00 that if the party comes to this position,
21:02 that it can do something for the country,
21:04 then the Barsar Iqtidar will come,
21:06 and will pay at least 50,000 rupees,
21:08 and the electricity will be free up to 300 units,
21:10 petrol will be available at half the price,
21:12 and the petrol will be paid by the big cars,
21:14 before this,
21:16 the economy will have to stand on its own feet,
21:19 and Pakistan will have to get rid of the IMF,
21:22 then the people can get this relief from somewhere,
21:24 now all the conditions come from there,
21:26 and they are being implemented,
21:27 your approach is very unrealistic,
21:29 how will you be able to tell the people,
21:32 that we can really do something,
21:34 after all these things.
21:36 In the political level playing field,
21:43 you will see later during the elections,
21:47 the level playing field is being played,
21:49 so you should at least balance the time,
21:51 your approach should also be balanced,
21:54 these are natural things,
21:56 where the benefit is getting,
21:59 it is being played for you,
22:01 and the time is the time,
22:03 so the thing is,
22:05 what my two honorable colleagues are saying,
22:08 there is no doubt in the law and order situation,
22:11 that Pakistan is in a state of war,
22:13 and the current situation of terrorism,
22:17 has challenged the national security issues of Pakistan,
22:23 so no institution can win a war without the support of the people,
22:29 so this is a separate process,
22:34 against those terrorists,
22:38 Jihad is your due course of action,
22:42 and the link up with the election,
22:46 and this is a declaration.
22:49 Mr. Firdaus, your voice is not coming out properly,
22:51 and the viewers are not getting it,
22:53 so let us connect you again,
22:55 and take your version,
22:57 what will you say on this,
22:59 I will take a break,
23:00 and will be back after the break.
23:01 Welcome back once again,
23:07 Mr. Faisal Kareem Kundi,
23:09 I will come to you,
23:10 and the biggest issue of all political parties,
23:14 is that when you go to the people,
23:16 and it is time to go to the people,
23:18 and tell them what you will do,
23:20 then you will have to tell them,
23:22 what will you offer them,
23:26 which we could not do in the last 16 months,
23:28 I hope I have a connection with Faisal Kareem Kundi,
23:31 Mr. Balistri, I will come to you,
23:37 tell me, what is the party doing,
23:41 obviously everyone wants to run an election campaign,
23:43 regarding the election campaign,
23:45 regarding the candidates,
23:47 because many people left your party,
23:49 what is your position in KP,
23:51 if I talk to you now?
23:53 Yes, as far as the candidates are concerned,
23:57 I want to make it clear,
23:59 that in Pakistan's theory of justice,
24:01 the people have no importance,
24:05 we do not need electables,
24:07 we believe that,
24:09 by the grace of Allah,
24:11 the people of Pakistan are with us,
24:13 and Imran Khan is the most popular leader of Pakistan,
24:15 that is why our strategy is that,
24:17 the party will give tickets to the people,
24:19 to the workers, to the sincere people,
24:21 and we believe that the people will vote for them,
24:23 it does not matter if the people of the party,
24:25 or the leadership,
24:27 are arrested,
24:29 or they are kept in captivity,
24:31 so even before in 2018,
24:33 the slogan was the same,
24:35 but the government was made,
24:37 on the basis of electables,
24:39 and the parties,
24:41 this time,
24:43 your electables have left all the parties,
24:45 and gone to the other parties,
24:47 Ulam Sarwar Khan has also joined the Istihkaam party,
24:49 so tell me,
24:51 do you have a schedule for the Jalsa Jaloos,
24:53 and in the coming days,
24:55 have you made a program,
24:57 regarding this?
24:59 Yes, we are making our programs,
25:01 as far as possible, we are doing it,
25:03 we have a Jalsa in Lahore,
25:05 the High Court has given us permission,
25:07 may Allah make sure that the administration,
25:09 does not put any restrictions on it,
25:11 we are doing it in KP, in Karachi,
25:13 you know yesterday we had a press conference,
25:15 and our party officials were arrested,
25:17 from the press club,
25:19 so these problems are with us,
25:21 but despite that,
25:23 the party will take a full-scale election,
25:25 InshaAllah,
25:27 we will be in the jail,
25:29 but if we are not,
25:31 we will be in the jail,
25:33 and we will run our election campaign from the jail,
25:35 and I am telling you,
25:37 that the question you asked,
25:39 to Faisal Kundi,
25:41 I am telling you,
25:43 that we should not ask this question to PTI,
25:45 because we say,
25:47 that if you come to the field,
25:49 the people will vote for you,
25:51 and PTI,
25:53 we are saying with a challenge,
25:55 that the people will vote for us.
25:57 Firdaus Hashikawan Sahiba,
25:59 before going to the break,
26:01 you were saying,
26:03 that you will complete that,
26:05 secondly, tell us,
26:07 that Chaudhary Ghulam Sarwar,
26:09 has joined the party today,
26:11 so it seems that your party's
26:13 entire focus is on the electables,
26:15 so how much margin do you think you will get from this,
26:17 how many seats will you be able to get,
26:19 what position will you get?
26:21 You talked about Mansoor,
26:23 and it is impossible,
26:25 first of all,
26:27 it is unrealistic,
26:29 so if there is something unrealistic,
26:31 then you point it out,
26:33 but what I am trying to say,
26:35 you listen to it,
26:37 that the resources of Pakistan,
26:39 can you deny this,
26:41 that in Pakistan,
26:43 in the name of BSP,
26:45 people get billions of rupees,
26:47 deserving and non-affording people,
26:49 through data bank,
26:51 and the most non-affording,
26:53 deserving community is identified,
26:55 and you have to channelize that,
26:57 and pull it up,
26:59 and you have to reset
27:01 and redefine its priorities,
27:03 secondly,
27:05 on this,
27:07 the petroleum levy,
27:09 and on that,
27:11 per litre,
27:13 diesel or petrol,
27:15 whatever the petroleum commodities are,
27:17 so the state,
27:19 or the government,
27:21 can compensate that fund,
27:23 in some other way,
27:25 it can never be that,
27:27 the affording and non-affording,
27:29 for them,
27:31 the same policy,
27:33 whether it is electricity,
27:35 petrol or other commodities,
27:37 for the non-affording class,
27:39 you have to separate,
27:41 the difference between privileged and unprivileged,
27:43 by keeping it separate,
27:45 you have to earn from the rich,
27:47 and spend on the poor,
27:49 so this is your way forward,
27:51 there is no key,
27:53 or any other thing,
27:55 that the people cannot solve,
27:57 the problem is that,
27:59 the salary class,
28:01 gives more tax than the rich class,
28:03 the one who is poor,
28:05 or the one who is under the burden,
28:07 that tax,
28:09 this is disparity,
28:11 this has to be converted into parity,
28:13 this is your,
28:15 balance in the balance,
28:17 you have to bring balance in this,
28:19 the second thing you were saying,
28:21 in politics,
28:23 there is no doubt,
28:25 that in the elections,
28:27 all political parties,
28:29 should get a level playing ground,
28:31 but tell me,
28:33 in the whole world,
28:35 every game,
28:37 has some rules,
28:39 some rules,
28:41 similarly,
28:43 there is a red card,
28:45 any player,
28:47 who is popular,
28:49 if he fouls,
28:51 during the game,
28:53 does the referee,
28:55 allow him to show the red card,
28:57 or not,
28:59 and he is sent out of the ground,
29:01 if PTI has fouled,
29:03 in a political ground,
29:05 on 9th May,
29:07 how do you expect,
29:09 that he is allowed to play,
29:11 even if he has fouled,
29:13 despite this,
29:15 we want,
29:17 that the people involved in the foul play,
29:19 who have been shown the red card,
29:21 should stay out of the ground,
29:23 the people with the yellow card,
29:25 who for some reason,
29:27 are rich or not,
29:29 are not involved in the game,
29:31 if they get the chance,
29:33 they should fight in the elections,
29:35 and we should compete with them,
29:37 in a political ground,
29:39 we never wished,
29:41 that PTI should be,
29:43 minused in the elections,
29:45 because,
29:47 if you win,
29:49 by competing with the powerful,
29:51 then it is a different game,
29:53 we are not saying,
29:55 that you should fight weakly,
29:57 second thing,
29:59 that Kundi sir said,
30:01 misuse and abuse,
30:03 of the governor house,
30:05 in Lahore,
30:07 this is a bad luck,
30:09 that here,
30:11 superman,
30:13 hijacks the weak system,
30:15 and Pakistan,
30:17 has created superman,
30:19 and this superman,
30:21 or super personality,
30:23 this weak,
30:25 system of ours,
30:27 has been molded,
30:29 in its favour,
30:31 now the time has come,
30:33 that in this country,
30:35 your system should be so strong,
30:37 that it should,
30:39 make the powerful,
30:41 to submit to it,
30:43 and the powerful,
30:45 should be brought in the law,
30:47 this PMLN,
30:49 this mischief,
30:51 is a very irresponsible,
30:53 thought of theirs,
30:55 that without a mandate,
30:57 without a public office holder,
30:59 you should go to the government,
31:01 and meet the people,
31:03 and support the governor house,
31:05 which is a public property,
31:07 and all this,
31:09 you can ask this question,
31:11 if they were there,
31:13 then your point has come,
31:15 Faisal Kareem Kundi sir,
31:17 Rana sir says,
31:19 if Zardari sir can stop,
31:21 that the PM should not be made,
31:23 then stop the way,
31:25 and show it,
31:27 now you people have to show,
31:29 with the votes of the people,
31:31 that we should not be allowed,
31:33 to vote,
31:35 even if it is Punjab,
31:37 in Sindh, your government is formed,
31:39 so you are taking this statement,
31:41 as a challenge,
31:43 will you answer it?
31:45 See, what President Zardari sir,
31:47 or Bilawal sir,
31:49 and the Pakistani bus party,
31:51 we always say,
31:53 that the one who has more numbers,
31:55 has the right to not to vote,
31:57 the 2008 Pakistani bus party,
31:59 we formed the government together,
32:01 even today we have worked on this,
32:03 and we will form the government,
32:05 with our allied parties,
32:07 if our number game is more,
32:09 then we will tell our friends,
32:11 that our number game is more,
32:13 we have the right to become the PM,
32:15 and every party has the right,
32:17 if IPP, PTI, PMLN has more number games,
32:19 then they have the right to become the PM,
32:21 this is based on number games,
32:23 but what Firdaus sir said,
32:25 see the problem with us,
32:27 we are not talking about the strength of the institutions,
32:29 we say that all the institutions,
32:31 that are weak,
32:33 should follow our orders,
32:35 and when we come to a position,
32:37 we say that the institutions should be strong,
32:39 because our opponents,
32:41 are using the institutions,
32:43 whoever gets the chance,
32:45 they always used the institutions,
32:47 through remote control,
32:49 so we say that the 18th amendment,
32:51 which was done by the Pakistani bus party,
32:53 or President Zardari gave his authority to the parliament,
32:55 if the institutions were strong,
32:57 then we would not complain about the institutions,
32:59 if the election commission was strong,
33:01 then we would not complain about them,
33:03 but I will disagree with Firdaus Ashikawan,
33:05 a player is shown the red card,
33:07 we say that in the 9th May,
33:09 the judges will decide,
33:11 what is their future,
33:13 in this game,
33:15 there is ball tempering,
33:17 match fixing, and many other things,
33:19 so we have to see,
33:21 if the match is fixed,
33:23 or the players are playing,
33:25 we have to see what they are,
33:27 and what they are doing,
33:29 but the problem of our judicial system,
33:31 is that years pass,
33:33 and decisions are not made,
33:35 then a musical chair is played,
33:37 sometimes a patriot is made,
33:39 sometimes a traitor is made,
33:41 then after 2-3 years,
33:43 someone is made a patriot,
33:45 and they say that this was wrong,
33:47 I have seen some communities in the past,
33:49 they were banned through press conference,
33:51 they have permission,
33:53 we were told that they take funding from India,
33:55 and they were telling state channels,
33:57 and today they are fine,
33:59 so this is a problem of this country,
34:01 that everything is like this,
34:03 and when PTI was there,
34:05 we also said that,
34:07 I have also said,
34:09 that we have always said,
34:11 that there are some politicians in Pakistan,
34:13 who go to different parties on deportation,
34:15 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:17 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:19 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:21 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:23 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:25 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:27 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:29 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:31 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:33 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:35 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:37 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:39 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:41 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:43 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:45 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:47 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:49 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:51 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:53 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:55 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:57 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
34:59 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
35:01 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
35:03 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
35:05 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
35:07 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
35:09 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
35:11 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
35:13 and they are not allowed to go to the court,
35:15 and they are not allowed to go to the court.
35:17 I don't know such deep things,
35:19 I don't know such deep things,
35:21 you are telling me.
35:23 I am asking, many journalists have the opinion,
35:25 many journalists have the opinion,
35:27 that when Bilawal sir gives a statement,
35:29 in which he is repeatedly mentioning
35:31 that level playing field will not be available,
35:33 or he is saying that the Prime Minister will not be from Lahore,
35:35 then his statement should not be taken so seriously,
35:37 because the real decision has to be taken by Asif Ali Zardari sir,
35:39 and there is no such statement from his side,
35:41 and there is no such statement from his side,
35:43 but when the Noon League PMLN, MQM and PMLN met,
35:45 but when the Noon League PMLN, MQM and PMLN met,
35:47 they formally welcomed this alliance,
35:49 that we will compete,
35:51 we should win by competition,
35:53 so is this a good cop bad cop situation?
35:55 Absolutely, there is no good cop bad cop in Pakistan,
35:57 these are such things,
35:59 we welcomed,
36:01 if there is a very big group of PMLN,
36:03 they say that we are going to clean sweep,
36:05 then why are they taking support from other groups,
36:07 then they don't take any step,
36:09 now they will go to GDA,
36:11 then they are going to other groups,
36:13 but the PMLN was so strong,
36:15 so many people are dying for them,
36:17 that they will put votes in their boxes,
36:19 then why are they taking support,
36:21 they know what our position is,
36:23 for election delay,
36:25 they never said that elections should be held on 9th,
36:27 and this is their story,
36:29 that Zardari sir says one thing,
36:31 Bilawal sir says another,
36:33 then what was the story of Maryam Nawaz and Shahbaz Sharif,
36:35 what was the story of Hamza sir and Maryam Nawaz,
36:37 when stories are created in every Jamaat,
36:39 then there are some,
36:41 who give their own opinions,
36:43 then there are 4 opinions in PMLN,
36:45 Shahbaz Sharif and Hamza are on one side,
36:47 Maryam Nawaz and Nawaz Sharif are on one side,
36:49 these are the things,
36:51 we have welcomed PMLN on one point,
36:53 on every seat of Pakistan,
36:55 PMLN can fight elections,
36:57 POSPATI can fight,
36:59 PTI can fight,
37:01 IPB can fight,
37:03 every Jamaat can fight,
37:05 every one has their own country,
37:07 every one has their own Pakistan,
37:09 no one can go against the copyright of any one province,
37:11 we have welcomed PTI,
37:13 we welcome them again today.
37:15 Ok, Baris Hussain sir,
37:19 political alliances are formed,
37:21 election alliances are formed before elections,
37:23 is there any scope of PTI election alliance,
37:25 because Parvez Khattak sir
37:27 has separated from your party,
37:29 then Ali Im Khan sir has formed a separate party,
37:31 Jahangir Tarim sir has formed his party,
37:33 so if your alliance can be formed,
37:35 then what are the options,
37:37 if we talk about KP or Punjab?
37:39 First of all,
37:43 I think the basic question is
37:45 about the election,
37:47 and to make the election
37:49 transparent, free and fair,
37:51 is the basic issue,
37:53 we are demanding,
37:55 because if the election is not free and fair,
37:57 then whether
37:59 there are election alliances,
38:01 or political alliances,
38:03 the public or the democratic system will not benefit,
38:05 there will be instability,
38:07 I think as far as PTI is concerned,
38:09 we are not talking about
38:11 any alliance with any party,
38:13 nor do we have any intention,
38:15 in the near future,
38:17 what situation has arisen,
38:19 what design does the election campaign go on,
38:21 but I think if free and fair elections happen,
38:23 and the public has the right
38:25 to use their vote,
38:27 and the power is
38:29 in a good and transparent environment,
38:31 then PTI has no problem
38:33 winning the elections,
38:35 although if there is engineering,
38:37 political engineering,
38:39 electoral rigging,
38:41 then there will be problems,
38:43 but it will affect the system,
38:45 we do not think that there is
38:47 any need for an election alliance
38:49 with any political party,
38:51 nor are we talking about it now.
38:53 Interestingly, you seem very confident,
38:55 Firdaus Apa, what do you think,
38:57 will the national government be formed
38:59 as a result of the elections,
39:01 or will they do what no party has done,
39:03 whether it is the Noon League,
39:05 or the People's Party,
39:07 what do you think?
39:09 I think that
39:11 in our political scenario,
39:13 the claims are different,
39:15 and the action will be different,
39:17 the thorns will not rain,
39:19 and the ones who are
39:21 climbing the trees,
39:23 and are throwing their thorns,
39:25 and are trying to win,
39:27 will not be able to win,
39:29 because the facts will be
39:31 opposite to what they are saying,
39:33 because I do not see any party
39:35 taking an absolute mandate,
39:37 because it is a split mandate,
39:39 and the different parties
39:41 have to win on the basis
39:43 of their own candidates,
39:45 and ultimately the parties
39:47 will help and support them,
39:49 but the main thing is
39:51 that the candidate's
39:53 own candidate will win,
39:55 and the candidates will
39:57 conduct themselves,
39:59 and will keep in touch
40:01 with the people,
40:03 and the public
40:05 will pay back for the public
40:07 dealing with them.
40:09 The second thing is that
40:11 the situation in Pakistan
40:13 cannot afford a political
40:15 spread, the political
40:17 chaos has already taken over
40:19 Pakistan, the entire society
40:21 is a victim of polarization.
40:23 After the elections,
40:25 if the polarization
40:27 that is happening in Pakistan
40:29 and the political seeds
40:31 of hatred are sown,
40:33 if they continue,
40:35 will the situation
40:37 in Pakistan
40:39 improve?
40:41 Will the election results
40:43 ultimately make Pakistan
40:45 stable?
40:47 Will the challenges
40:49 on the economic front
40:51 be reduced?
40:53 Because until all
40:55 these political parties
40:57 unanimously
40:59 have a long-term sustainable
41:01 continued economic
41:03 and political
41:05 dialogue,
41:07 whether you go to the elections
41:09 or win your own seats
41:11 in the elections,
41:13 but even sitting
41:15 in this parliament,
41:17 with consensus,
41:19 the formula to move
41:21 forward is unity.
41:23 And until
41:25 this unity does not come,
41:27 neither the elections
41:29 nor any such
41:31 declaration of victory
41:33 can give Pakistan a chance.
41:35 I have a very short time,
41:37 I want you and Mr. Baisa
41:39 to answer in 30 seconds,
41:41 how important it is that
41:43 the issues that Firdaus
41:45 is pointing to, be solved
41:47 before the elections,
41:49 see if the political parties
41:51 do not believe that
41:53 if the election commission
41:55 and institutions do not believe
41:57 that there are free and fair elections,
41:59 if there are no free and fair elections
42:01 and there is a selection, then there will be
42:03 no economic stability in Pakistan in the future.
42:05 Your political parties will not sit with the government,
42:07 they will be on the streets.
42:09 So for economic stability, free and fair elections.
42:11 How important do you think
42:13 everyone's consensus is?
42:15 I also second
42:17 this point.
42:19 The basic responsibility of the election commission
42:21 and Pakistan is to have free and fair elections.
42:23 If there are no free and fair elections,
42:25 then the issues that Firdaus has pointed to,
42:27 will increase further,
42:29 and the issue will not be solved.
42:31 And there will be no political stability in Pakistan.
42:33 Thank you so much,
42:35 Mr. Baisa, Firdaus, Aashiq Awan, Faisal Karim Kundi.
42:37 We will take a break here, we will be back after the break.
42:39 (upbeat music)
42:42 [inaudible].
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