ITG 119 - Big Daddy Kicks Off Cincinnati Week
ITG 119 - Big Daddy Kicks Off Cincinnati Week
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00:00:05 In the gun, episode 118 here of your new favorite WVU football podcast.
00:00:09 It's time to recap a tough one, a big loss down there on the prairie against
00:00:14 the Oklahoma Sooners, 59 to 20.
00:00:16 The final score as the Mountaineers fall down in Norman.
00:00:20 We will discuss that.
00:00:21 We'll catch up with our buddy Big Daddy Mariner,
00:00:23 as we kind of recap everything that happened this past Saturday.
00:00:26 As always, I'm Wesley Uhler, best teammates in the business.
00:00:29 I've got the signal caller Jed Drenning and the runaway beer truck Big Owen Schmidt.
00:00:33 In this episode of ITG, brought to you in part by our friends at Bet Online,
00:00:38 pardon me, where the game starts.
00:00:41 Before we get into some of the things from the Mountaineer game, of course,
00:00:45 a headline as always to get us started.
00:00:47 Gentlemen, we are, what, in the second week of November here,
00:00:51 which means this is when some heads start to roll, if you will,
00:00:55 in terms of some people losing some jobs, some head coaches, some coordinators.
00:01:01 Penn State parting ways with their offensive coordinator after that abysmal
00:01:04 performance against Michigan.
00:01:05 Zach Arnett is out at Mississippi State.
00:01:09 And yes, I know if you're a WVU fan, you've heard this one discussed already,
00:01:13 but Clarksburg's own Jimbo Fisher is out at Texas A&M as well,
00:01:19 which was odd timing to me because they just had a big victory.
00:01:23 They just went and won by 30 points and then they fired the head coach afterwards.
00:01:27 I don't know, maybe wait till a different time to fire the head coach than after
00:01:30 a big four touchdown win.
00:01:33 But here we go, Jed, we got some coaching carousel getting going,
00:01:36 heating up, kind of as it always does this time of year.
00:01:38 >> Yeah, it does.
00:01:40 It might be the first time in history that you had a game play out like that,
00:01:44 a 51 to 10 game and both the winning and losing coach lost their job, right?
00:01:49 >> That's right, it was a 41 point win for A&M.
00:01:52 >> Yeah, highly irregular, but I mean, there's been chatter that some
00:01:57 people believe, this might be the time that Nick actually decides to step down.
00:02:03 This is his last hurrah and he goes off into the sunset with whatever plays out
00:02:07 here and if that's the case, the other blue bloods that are gonna make a change
00:02:11 wanna get out in front of Alabama before Nick does whatever he's gonna do.
00:02:15 First of all, I don't know that Nick's gonna do that, but
00:02:17 I've heard that kind of thinking going to some of the timelines on these decisions.
00:02:22 But you get situations playing out where boosters are intimately involved,
00:02:31 especially in places like Texas A&M, some more than others.
00:02:38 And they hear the talking heads on TV say one too many times, well,
00:02:44 we know for a fact you won't make a change there because you can't possibly afford
00:02:47 that $77 million buyout and finally it reaches the point, yeah, watch this.
00:02:53 We sure can afford it.
00:02:54 So Jimbo, all of a sudden, goes from being the head coach at Texas A&M to
00:03:01 having the best job in America and that's fired football coach.
00:03:04 So no offset in his contract.
00:03:07 Once again, Jimmy Sexton wins the day, his agent,
00:03:10 super agent who represents just about all these folks from James Franklin down to
00:03:13 Nick on down the line.
00:03:14 No offset in Jimbo's contract, which means he could take another job tomorrow.
00:03:20 And typically the way these contracts, or at least I didn't want to say typically,
00:03:23 there's no such thing as that anymore.
00:03:25 Traditionally, the way these contracts were structured was,
00:03:28 whatever the buyout might be and the payoff might be,
00:03:32 it could be offset by future earnings.
00:03:34 In other words, if you took a job at another school,
00:03:36 that would cut in to the money you were owed by your previous school.
00:03:39 Not the case with Texas A&M.
00:03:42 And that's not the only contract out there like this.
00:03:44 These are becoming more normal as the agents have gained leverage in these deals.
00:03:48 But so Jimbo could take another job tomorrow and
00:03:52 he's still owed the full 70 some odd million from Texas A&M.
00:03:55 And it's not gonna offset any of his earnings.
00:03:58 But I saw a tweet somebody had posted that said something to the effect of
00:04:04 Jimbo's first job at Sanford paid him 20 grand.
00:04:08 And now he'll make 26 grand every day for the next seven years.
00:04:11 And I said, well, first of all,
00:04:12 whoever wrote that doesn't know the situation.
00:04:14 Because I know for a fact Jimbo's first job, I played for him.
00:04:19 He got paid nothing.
00:04:20 He was a student assistant.
00:04:22 He was my quarterback coach not making anything at Sanford as merely a student
00:04:26 assistant before he even worked his way up to a full time member of Terry's staff at
00:04:30 Sanford.
00:04:32 But yeah, it's pretty remarkable.
00:04:35 The kind of money being tossed around.
00:04:38 And if you're in position and nobody's gonna dispute,
00:04:43 when you look at the kind of money that the oil giants at Texas A&M
00:04:49 can throw around and the endowment of that school.
00:04:53 It's more than the rest of the SEC just about combined or
00:04:55 maybe even combined as I understand it.
00:04:58 They have a ton of money.
00:04:59 So if you have the money to pay your head coach 70 some odd million dollars not
00:05:04 to coach, how much money do you think you have to toy with on the NIL front?
00:05:10 So that's what you're up against here.
00:05:13 If you're not one of those elite five or ten blue bloods,
00:05:16 that's what the rest of us are up against is that level of money.
00:05:19 And the situation, the play down at Mississippi State,
00:05:23 that's kind of a different animal.
00:05:25 You had kind of a disjointed, when Mike Leach,
00:05:28 God rest his soul, passed away last year unexpectedly.
00:05:34 His defensive coordinator was elevated.
00:05:36 They tried to do something within the air raid free from Seth Latrell on down.
00:05:40 This was like the fifth choice as their offensive coordinator,
00:05:46 the guy they got from Appy State.
00:05:48 So it just didn't work out.
00:05:49 And he was kind of put in a tough situation.
00:05:51 But on both ends of a 51 to 10 game, Mississippi State's loss to Texas A&M,
00:05:56 both coaches are jettisoned after the game.
00:06:00 And it's getting to that time of year where they're trying to jockey for position.
00:06:05 These people in these positions of power, Owen,
00:06:08 they know things that we don't know in terms of what's gonna happen elsewhere.
00:06:12 So when they do something, it's their best educated guess as to what they have to do
00:06:16 to jump out ahead of the posse or ahead of the pack.
00:06:18 And that's kind of where things are at.
00:06:20 But Jimbo Fisher now out there on the unemployment line is
00:06:26 one of only a handful of head coaches in the country that has won a national
00:06:30 championship, that's a very short list.
00:06:32 So here we are.
00:06:34 >> Yeah, I don't feel too bad for him, honestly.
00:06:38 >> [LAUGH] >> Hey, you could pay me $75 million,
00:06:44 $76 million to not work.
00:06:46 Where do I sign?
00:06:47 >> Yeah, I think he's getting somewhere around some 30 million up front.
00:06:52 And then he'll take roughly 8 million for
00:06:56 the life of the contract that was left or whatever.
00:06:59 >> I think it's 19 million after 60 days.
00:07:02 >> Yeah.
00:07:03 >> So I was talking to somebody about the timeline.
00:07:05 But and then at some point he becomes like the Bobby Bonilla of coaches and
00:07:09 gets like 7 million annually.
00:07:11 >> Yeah. >> Until 2032 or something.
00:07:12 >> 20, I think that's 2026 or something.
00:07:14 >> It's like- >> It's like jet, I wanna say.
00:07:17 >> Who knows what I'll do?
00:07:19 Maybe I'll take a year off.
00:07:21 Maybe not.
00:07:22 >> I can't imagine rushing back to work if I'm him right now.
00:07:27 >> It's like- >> I'm not saying he's gone forever, but
00:07:30 rushing back to work right now.
00:07:32 >> And his is- >> I'll say this.
00:07:34 I think Jimbo would be a guy who would fit well.
00:07:39 And at some point, I'll probably end up talking to him.
00:07:43 I know I'm gonna talk to those around him, cuz I always do anyway.
00:07:48 But I think he'd be terrific in a TV role to catch his breath,
00:07:54 get his feet back under him, remove the ridiculously intense pressure.
00:07:58 Involved, I mean, you're talking mafia money.
00:08:02 I mean, some of the stories, guys, I can tell you from an SEC job even 25 years
00:08:08 ago, when they were trying to oust somebody, this particular somebody that I
00:08:13 know that had an SEC job, every day when they reported to work to come to their
00:08:19 office, they had to have a crew sweep their office for electronic surveillance devices.
00:08:24 They had to debug their office.
00:08:26 This is 25 years ago, and a fraction of the money that we're talking about with
00:08:29 Jimbo at A&M.
00:08:31 So you're literally talking mafia level money.
00:08:34 So people do desperate, crazy,
00:08:36 intensely insane things when that kind of money's on the table.
00:08:39 So part of me as a lifelong friend of the Jimbo's,
00:08:43 I'm kinda happy to see him put this behind him and move on to whatever comes next.
00:08:49 But like I said, I think he should decompress, maybe jump into a TV spot.
00:08:53 He might like it more than he thinks, so I think he'd be a natural for it.
00:08:57 And then kinda recalibrate and see what he wants to do.
00:09:00 I mean, look at Gus Malzahn.
00:09:01 Gus did this, the biggest buyout previous to this, and it paled by comparison,
00:09:07 was Gus at what, what was it, Wes? 20 million, 21 million?
00:09:09 I think it was 20 something, yeah.
00:09:12 Yeah, 20 some odd million at Auburn.
00:09:14 Now, Auburn's still paying Gus, and Gus is, everybody around Gus,
00:09:19 whether it's Herb or anybody else, tells you how happy Gus is at UCF.
00:09:23 Now UCF was granted a G5 job when he took it, and
00:09:26 they've just recently jumped into the P5 level in the Big 12.
00:09:28 But it's not the same as being at Auburn.
00:09:31 Yeah. I mean, the power brokers,
00:09:33 some of these higher tier, upper tier SEC schools,
00:09:36 it's off the hook.
00:09:38 The expectations come with the money.
00:09:40 So I can understand being happier at a place like UCF,
00:09:44 just collecting those checks from Auburn, right?
00:09:47 Yeah, I'm throwing a hypothetical in the mix here,
00:09:51 so we can have something to BS about.
00:09:53 Jimbo goes into a TV role, let's say a year or two.
00:10:03 And one odd coach from Sud, Mountaineer team-
00:10:09 No, I knew this was coming.
00:10:10 Gets let go.
00:10:11 Not for anybody mentioned it.
00:10:13 Does-
00:10:14 No one's talked about this yet.
00:10:15 Does Jimbo come out of that media role and
00:10:23 possibly coach Sud school?
00:10:26 I can't speak for Jimbo, but I'm not ruling anything out.
00:10:30 I mean, Jimbo's a West Virginia guy.
00:10:33 Yeah, sure.
00:10:33 But it's- I mean, first of all,
00:10:36 let's hope we never confront a situation like that.
00:10:39 That means good things came our way.
00:10:42 But Jimbo, I can almost assure you, is going to coach again.
00:10:48 He's too fiercely competitive not to.
00:10:50 As much as I'd like to say, hey, collect this money,
00:10:53 enjoy your life, jump into the media.
00:10:55 I think you'll like it more than you might think you'd like it.
00:11:00 You'd be a natural for it.
00:11:02 You'd settle right in.
00:11:02 And the next thing you know, you're not out there recruiting like a dog in the offseason.
00:11:07 But I mean, I'm not going to rule any job, including West Virginia, out.
00:11:11 I mean, I'm not.
00:11:11 It's like I put it to you like this.
00:11:13 He's a Harrison County guy.
00:11:14 You know, his brother runs three farms in Harrison County, you know.
00:11:19 So, yeah, you can't rule any of these scenarios out.
00:11:23 You really can't.
00:11:25 The only thing that I would rule out is if somebody says, no way,
00:11:28 Jimbo's ever coaching again.
00:11:30 I just can't bring myself to believe that.
00:11:32 Even if that's something I would perfectly understand if I was him.
00:11:38 But he's just such a--
00:11:39 you don't get to the station of being one of these guys, winning one of these titles,
00:11:46 without being so competitive.
00:11:48 It's not about the money.
00:11:49 I mean, you have to--
00:11:51 I could walk you through Jimbo's career.
00:11:53 And it took so long for him to earn any kind of money before things broke for
00:11:58 Terry and they took the Auburn job in '93.
00:12:02 He basically coached for free for the better part of five years.
00:12:06 So you don't get into it for the money.
00:12:08 But I do think at some point he will.
00:12:10 Yeah, you're not going to rule anything out.
00:12:12 You're not going to do that.
00:12:14 I mean, he's even said publicly that, you know, West Virginia's home.
00:12:19 Of course it is.
00:12:19 You know, he's a Harrison County guy.
00:12:21 He's a Glen Elk guy.
00:12:22 Or, you know, it's Glen Falls.
00:12:24 And when you come from Harrison County and have farms like that, he's home all the time.
00:12:31 You know?
00:12:32 So like I said, don't rule anything out, West Virginia or otherwise.
00:12:38 I do think at some point he's going to coach somewhere, much like Gus did.
00:12:42 I mean, Gus could have done the same thing and just retreated into the off inning and
00:12:46 had enough money to live happily ever after.
00:12:48 That's not what these guys do.
00:12:50 That's not what they do.
00:12:51 So.
00:12:52 I'll be interested to see what his next move is.
00:12:56 I mean, it's I'm completely with you, Jed.
00:12:59 Whether it's buyout with 70 something million or seven million, those coaches don't reach
00:13:05 that level of success in their business without being wired differently than the rest of us.
00:13:08 They're extreme.
00:13:10 They're extreme competitors.
00:13:11 And I mean, he's he is 58.
00:13:13 Right. So he's not 38 or he's not 45, but he's also only 58.
00:13:18 He's not 68 either.
00:13:21 It'll be interesting to see what his next move is, because I know I don't know what
00:13:25 A&M's thinking.
00:13:26 I mean, listen, just having stupid money doesn't make you a blue blood.
00:13:30 You know, like I don't care how rich you are.
00:13:32 You're not Alabama.
00:13:33 You're not Georgia.
00:13:34 You're not Ohio State or Michigan.
00:13:36 You're just not.
00:13:37 You're a good program and you've got a ton of money.
00:13:39 And that means a lot in the NIL age.
00:13:42 Certainly, it was 45 and 25 at Texas A&M.
00:13:46 He had a winning record, 27 and 21 in the hardest division in college sports, the SEC
00:13:51 West.
00:13:52 So international championships since the 1930s was.
00:13:55 Yeah.
00:13:56 I mean, I look at it again.
00:13:57 He's 45 and 25 at A&M.
00:13:59 I who am I?
00:14:01 I don't know squat about College Station.
00:14:03 I've never been there.
00:14:04 I'm not.
00:14:05 And I know, again, that they have stupid, dumb money.
00:14:07 But that doesn't make you a blue blood.
00:14:09 I think the expectations there are a little high.
00:14:13 I mean, he won nine games, eight games, nine games, eight games, and then had the five
00:14:17 and seven season last year.
00:14:20 I mean, in 2020, they were the first team out of the college football playoff.
00:14:23 Weren't they?
00:14:24 And they finished, finished, finished fifth in the college football playoff.
00:14:27 You know, conversation.
00:14:28 You really got here.
00:14:29 Yeah.
00:14:30 They were eight and one that season or whatever it was in the shortened covid year.
00:14:33 So he's a good coach.
00:14:37 And obviously, this will be something we keep an eye on because of the connections to West
00:14:40 Virginia, because of what's funny is that he's made in the past.
00:14:43 But every six weeks, I find myself in Salem and I know of Salem well.
00:14:51 But there's a clinic down there that I stopped in and I service those folks in that clinic.
00:14:58 And instead of just jumping off 50 right there, a couple hundred yards to pull into the clinic,
00:15:04 I was kind of go the back way because I spent part of my formative years in Salem because
00:15:09 I had some buddies that played at Salem when I was in high school and I spent a lot of
00:15:12 time down there on the weekends and watching those Salem Tigers games back when they had
00:15:18 a program.
00:15:19 And that's when I first met Jimbo.
00:15:20 I mean, I kind of revered Jimbo.
00:15:21 I was still in high school and I'm watching Jimbo just absolutely light it up at Salem
00:15:26 College.
00:15:27 I mean, he was special and I mean, he was he was something else.
00:15:30 So I still find myself going the back way through town and I still drive by old Tiger
00:15:35 Stadium there in Salem.
00:15:37 And I keep thinking to myself, that's the house Jimbo built, you know, and I used to
00:15:41 go to those mudslug games up there.
00:15:43 You know, but when Rich was coaching at one point, Jimbo was playing at one point.
00:15:47 So I have a lot of history there.
00:15:49 But yeah, you're going to Clarksburg and you see the sign as you as you get off the Pike
00:15:54 Street exit.
00:15:55 I don't know if you guys have done that, but it says home of Jimbo Fisher, 2013 national
00:15:59 champion.
00:16:00 That's the sign you see as you get off the Pike Street exit.
00:16:03 And so he's he's revered.
00:16:06 I mean, there's no doubt about that.
00:16:08 And, you know, he's been in my life a long time for a host of reasons.
00:16:12 But so is his family.
00:16:13 His brother was my roommate, Brian.
00:16:15 We call him Buck Henry.
00:16:17 But his brother was my roommate at Sanford.
00:16:19 And, you know, I've always been been pretty tight with the Fishers.
00:16:23 But but yeah, I just he's he's wildly competitive.
00:16:27 So something's going to happen and he's going to just like Rich did.
00:16:32 Rich stepped out for a year, you know, between jobs.
00:16:36 You know, he worked with CBS, kind of felt things out.
00:16:39 And even when you talk to Rich during that year, what it put him in a position to do
00:16:42 was he had a chance to visit other programs and kind of check out, oh, they're doing this.
00:16:47 They're doing that.
00:16:48 I like that idea, like this idea and harvest some of those ideas.
00:16:51 So that's the type of thing from a template standpoint that if I'm Jimbo, I'd like to
00:16:57 see him do that.
00:16:58 Take a deep breath, pump the brakes, enjoy your life for a little bit.
00:17:03 You know, your kid just accepted an offer to Sanford where he used to coach and enjoy
00:17:08 your life a little bit.
00:17:09 Maybe you'll watch him a time or two.
00:17:11 You have the rest of your life to get back into this.
00:17:13 Go jump into the media where you kind of it's a different animal, a different schedule.
00:17:17 It's not less labor intensive.
00:17:19 And I see where that goes and just let things unfold.
00:17:22 But but who knows?
00:17:23 Again, I can't speak for Jimbo.
00:17:25 You know, so that's just what I'd like to see him do.
00:17:29 I think that'd be best for him for immediately the best form, I should say.
00:17:33 Oh, and what I would like to see him do is cut a check to the end of gun podcast right
00:17:37 now for one million.
00:17:39 Yeah, yeah.
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00:17:58 All right, gentlemen.
00:17:59 We'll we'll we'll talk more about Jimbo in the future.
00:18:02 All right.
00:18:03 This story ain't going away, whether it relates to WVU at some point down the road or whether
00:18:06 he just takes another collegiate head coaching job.
00:18:09 We will discuss Jimbo.
00:18:11 This will not be the last of this story.
00:18:14 But now it is time to to get to a little meat and potatoes here.
00:18:17 Of course, we've got to talk that tough one on Saturday down on the prairie, Oklahoma,
00:18:22 with a fifty nine to twenty win and Jed.
00:18:25 I kept thinking about this.
00:18:27 You said this after we were recapping the TCU game, I believe you said when teams get
00:18:35 the ball to start the game and they go right down and I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but
00:18:40 they go right down the field and score a touchdown.
00:18:42 One of two things happens.
00:18:43 Either one, either one, they roll and it's an easy game and they win comfortably and
00:18:48 it's their day and they're on fire or you shot your wad or two.
00:18:52 You kind of shot your wad and you had your best game plan and that was it.
00:18:57 But then now it's kind of all out there and you're not going to have a ton to go off of
00:19:02 that for that.
00:19:03 Unfortunately, I was thinking about that in the first half on on Saturday night.
00:19:10 I don't know where you want to start here.
00:19:12 I never know where to start in a game after that one.
00:19:16 So where tell us tell us where we begin here, dear signal caller.
00:19:19 I'm going to start with what I view as the obvious, and that is if you want to go on
00:19:25 the road into a venue like that against what is a blue blood brand, one of the 10, 15 blue
00:19:32 blood brands in college football under the lights, the most difficult circumstances possible.
00:19:39 They haven't played at home in a couple of weeks.
00:19:41 They haven't played under the lights in a while.
00:19:42 They're hungry for it.
00:19:45 They're ticked off.
00:19:46 They lost two in a row.
00:19:47 You better play your best game.
00:19:49 And then kind of hope for some help.
00:19:51 I don't know if you're if they play their best game and you play your best game.
00:19:54 I'm not sure.
00:19:55 West Virginia's roster versus their roster.
00:19:57 Best game versus best games enough.
00:19:59 You have to first play your best game and then hope for some help.
00:20:02 Well, let's start with this.
00:20:05 Oklahoma played their best game.
00:20:07 They did.
00:20:08 I've watched every game they played this year.
00:20:10 The coaches cut the checkerboard and then the obvious part, West Virginia did not.
00:20:16 We did not.
00:20:17 So it would have taken our best game to hang with them and have any kind of chance.
00:20:23 It really would.
00:20:25 And we didn't put that forward.
00:20:28 And you thought based on the last couple of weeks, how do you project this stuff?
00:20:31 Who knows?
00:20:32 But based on the way we played the last couple of weeks, we took care of business against
00:20:36 you know, what you know, you could say was an overmatched opponent against BYU.
00:20:41 We did what good teams do against a team like that.
00:20:43 BYU was on the road.
00:20:45 BYU was facing the tough circumstances.
00:20:48 But you know, I stepped into that stadium Saturday night and as kickoff approached and
00:20:55 the vibe started to build, we'd been out there.
00:20:58 That was our sixth trip and we played them early.
00:21:00 We played them in the afternoon.
00:21:01 We played them late and not every game's created equally.
00:21:04 I would even say that two years ago, under the lights was different than this game under
00:21:08 the lights.
00:21:09 That had a completely different vibe.
00:21:11 This had a vibe of 83,000 wildly hungry and desperate fans, a wildly hungry and desperate
00:21:18 team that was about to bring their premium effort.
00:21:21 And you better buckle up with your best effort.
00:21:24 And we didn't do that.
00:21:25 Despite the fast start, I more got the sense that maybe Oklahoma was feeling us out.
00:21:30 And the way they answered, it more intrigued me.
00:21:34 We came out swinging on both sides of the ball.
00:21:37 We came out swinging with the opening drive, drove down and took the lead.
00:21:41 And then we came out swinging defensively.
00:21:43 It just didn't work.
00:21:44 What I saw was Oklahoma, when they started the game, their first two snaps, they jumped
00:21:48 into empty.
00:21:49 And I was like, what's going on here?
00:21:53 That's a little atypical to start with.
00:21:55 You know, five receiver sets, their first two snaps of the game.
00:21:58 So they were trying to isolate some matchups.
00:22:00 Well, on the first snap, what we did was something we don't often do.
00:22:05 We went with a zero blitz.
00:22:07 We brought six and manned them up across the board, mashed heads and brought six.
00:22:12 I don't think Gabriel was expecting that, but he calibrates pretty quickly.
00:22:16 I don't think he was expecting that.
00:22:19 So we forced a premature throw.
00:22:21 Now second snap, once again, they went empty.
00:22:25 Now again, you're trying to keep him off balance.
00:22:27 The last thing you want to do against a guy like Dylan Gabriel is let him get a beat on
00:22:31 what you're doing.
00:22:32 So second snap, they go empty.
00:22:35 Now what do we do on the second snap?
00:22:36 Do we come out and do the same thing on the second snap so he can get a beat on it?
00:22:40 No, almost the exact opposite.
00:22:43 We parked too high.
00:22:44 We actually matched heads on the perimeter, all five wides with too high.
00:22:48 We left four in the box.
00:22:49 I was almost expecting, I think they're going to check into a quarterback draw, the five
00:22:52 on four.
00:22:53 Nope.
00:22:54 We dropped too high, dropped eight into coverage, rushed three.
00:22:58 Boom, he slices us.
00:23:00 They come back.
00:23:01 They go to the pro formation or pro personnel set.
00:23:04 They jump back into zero.
00:23:05 It was just back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
00:23:09 And when you watch that first drive, we gave him multiple looks and he just quickly adjusted,
00:23:14 quickly calibrated, found the hole, found the matchup.
00:23:17 There were matchups they were trying to isolate.
00:23:19 There were matchups that they liked and they marched down the field and they scored.
00:23:24 And even on the second drive after they stopped us, same type of thing.
00:23:29 We're throwing different looks at them.
00:23:31 I'm looking at the guys though and that we were rushing.
00:23:33 We brought six in the first half, then three, then five, then five.
00:23:36 We had a near sack.
00:23:38 In other words, they went with 10 personnel, a true Rip and Liz look, like twins right,
00:23:42 twins left.
00:23:43 We brought five, started him a little bit there.
00:23:47 I think what we did, Owen, we had a combo coverage behind it.
00:23:50 And basically when I watched what Oklahoma was doing, most of their routes were more
00:23:55 conducive to zone coverage and not match zone or match man.
00:23:59 And we caught him a bit off source.
00:24:01 Remember when we almost sacked him and he shook loose and rolled left and found the
00:24:04 tight end Stogner?
00:24:06 That's what happened there.
00:24:08 So we almost had him on that one because we confused them just a bit, but he was slippery
00:24:12 enough to get loose, break outside.
00:24:15 And then even on the sack with Sean, you know what we did on that sack that Sean Martin
00:24:19 had?
00:24:20 We brought three.
00:24:22 We dropped eight into coverage.
00:24:23 That wasn't because we outnumbered him, threw a zero blitz at no.
00:24:26 We were going back and forth with these different looks and trying to feel him out and confuse
00:24:31 him.
00:24:32 And the sack that we had early in the game on that second possession was a three man
00:24:35 rush because he wasn't expecting eight to drop into coverage.
00:24:39 But eventually they calibrated and eventually they started getting the matchups that they
00:24:43 wanted and isolating, whether it was a combination of one of our safeties on one of their slots
00:24:48 or one of our backers on one of their slot or tight end.
00:24:52 And there were just different looks.
00:24:53 They did a good job of then turning it into RPO.
00:24:58 And he read the RPO like almost impeccably and put us in conflict.
00:25:04 And then there were times that we would try and disguise our coverage.
00:25:08 And you know, we always call it a snitch in the coverage.
00:25:10 Is there anything on the back end that a really, really high end quarterback can identify?
00:25:17 That's why you watch the level of tape or the amount of tape that you watch.
00:25:20 You're looking for that snitch.
00:25:22 Who will snitch on that coverage and betray what you're trying to hide defensively and
00:25:26 tell the truth?
00:25:27 Right.
00:25:28 Well, sometimes we would go with a too high look and try and present to him some form
00:25:33 of either too deep or cover four quarters.
00:25:37 And we would roll from that post snap into a one high.
00:25:41 And there's reasons you do that.
00:25:42 If you show him pre snap and he's convinced that you're in a too high look, he might not
00:25:47 attack those scenes as aggressively from an RPO standpoint.
00:25:50 But if he knows you're in one high, he's going to split your safety with those scenes off
00:25:54 the RPO.
00:25:55 So there were a couple of times we tried to show that too high and we were just a touch,
00:26:00 touch early rolling out of the two shell into the one high look.
00:26:06 And guess who recognized that?
00:26:07 I would tell you, I bet you 10 out of 12 quarterbacks in the schedule, you'd get away with that.
00:26:12 Dylan Gabriel, you don't.
00:26:13 If you go just a slight beat prematurely and roll out of that too high configuration that
00:26:18 you're trying to trick him with into a one high look, boom, he finds a beat on it, RPO,
00:26:23 up the scene he goes.
00:26:24 And a couple of those that you saw like one missed tackle in a 50 yard game, that's what
00:26:28 was happening there.
00:26:29 I mean, again, 10 out of 12 quarterbacks on our schedule, you're going to get away with
00:26:34 that, but not him.
00:26:36 I mean, that guy can snitch out of coverage.
00:26:40 He's very impressive.
00:26:42 And he found the matchups that they wanted, they game planned as well.
00:26:46 And when I look at what they were doing to us offensively, because that's what you want
00:26:51 to start with when they dropped 59 on us.
00:26:54 When I look at what they were doing offensively, that's what I would start with.
00:26:57 And they mixed just enough in with the run game to keep us honest and aggressive with
00:27:02 that RPO element of what they were doing.
00:27:05 But Drake Stoops is an underrated asset.
00:27:07 I mean, you have to say that.
00:27:09 I mean, that kid was balling out.
00:27:10 I can't wait till there's no longer any Stoops associated with Oakland.
00:27:14 Yeah.
00:27:15 How many do they got?
00:27:16 How many do they got?
00:27:17 Good Lord.
00:27:18 Well, that's a 60 year.
00:27:19 It just seems like four of them.
00:27:21 But Nick Anderson's a player, guys.
00:27:23 That freshman they got, boy, he's going to be special.
00:27:26 And it's going to, strange to say, but it's going to cost them something to keep him,
00:27:30 which I think they'll reach into their pockets and find a way.
00:27:33 But Nick Anderson's a big bodied playmaker, that freshman they got.
00:27:37 And Stogner, credit to them.
00:27:39 You know, as I'm watching tape this week, or last week, I should say, I kept thinking
00:27:44 to myself, Stogner hasn't been activated in most of their game plans.
00:27:49 He really hasn't.
00:27:50 And even last year, their tight end/H backs were a bigger part of what they did with Jeff
00:27:54 Levy's scheme.
00:27:55 I mean, obviously they were a big part of what they did with Lincoln.
00:27:59 You know, from Mark Andrews on down the line when Lincoln was out there.
00:28:02 But even last year, they used the tight end and H back more.
00:28:05 But this year, they hadn't used Stogner much.
00:28:08 And that was the extra wrinkle.
00:28:09 You're always wondering, what are they going to throw at us that they haven't thrown at
00:28:12 anybody else?
00:28:13 And that's where the wrinkles.
00:28:14 So credit to them.
00:28:16 But they protected us just well enough.
00:28:19 But this was one of those games, guys, that, yeah, I credit their offensive line for a
00:28:23 great job at pass pro, even when we brought zero blitz.
00:28:26 But when you face a quarterback who's a master within his scheme, very comfortable with his
00:28:32 quick answer throws, understands the big picture of what they're trying to do, and maybe it's
00:28:37 just the quarterback in me that's always seen this.
00:28:39 When I hear defensive coordinators talk about attacking someone and being aggressive to
00:28:45 rattle a quarterback, I'm like, well, that works against most quarterbacks.
00:28:49 But if a quarterback reaches a level of comfort in his scheme, where he understands the quick
00:28:54 answer throws, I mean, I used to think to myself, I was like, man, I hope they come
00:28:58 out with a lot of zero today.
00:28:59 I really do.
00:29:00 I just not because I was exceptional, but because I knew my quick answer throws that
00:29:05 well, you were not going to get to me with that free rusher before the ball was gone.
00:29:09 I'll trade that shot for that throw every time.
00:29:11 And Dylan Gabriel was way beyond that.
00:29:14 And he played as a bigger role in his own protection, as did his own line.
00:29:18 And that's what was impressive about it.
00:29:21 We didn't bring our best effort defensively.
00:29:24 We didn't tackle well.
00:29:25 We didn't play well in space.
00:29:27 We didn't play well in positions of conflict when the RPO is.
00:29:30 That was the biggest thing I noticed.
00:29:33 And against playmakers like that, you can't play like that against a team like that when
00:29:39 they're playing their best, which it turned out they did.
00:29:42 This wasn't the effort they brought against the central Florida, the UCF team they played
00:29:46 in Norman.
00:29:47 It wasn't the effort they brought the two losses the last couple of weeks on the road
00:29:51 in a different environment.
00:29:53 They bounced back.
00:29:54 I've seen him play like this before, but it had been a while.
00:29:58 Maybe not this year.
00:29:59 I'd seen him play like this before.
00:30:01 And they brought the best that they can bring.
00:30:04 And defensively, we didn't have the answers.
00:30:07 We weren't playing well enough to have the answers.
00:30:09 But we threw a lot of looks at him and tried to keep him off balance.
00:30:14 So it wasn't for lack of effort.
00:30:17 It wasn't getting home.
00:30:19 And it wasn't confusing him.
00:30:20 We weren't tackling well enough.
00:30:21 We weren't shedding blocks well enough.
00:30:23 And that's what I saw when they had the ball.
00:30:26 Yeah.
00:30:27 I just didn't think we made him uncomfortable enough.
00:30:31 Yep.
00:30:32 So you know, that was kind of our one of our keys to victory anyways.
00:30:36 But that's a bummer.
00:30:40 We took a we took an arse beating there.
00:30:42 Our cheeks are definitely sore.
00:30:44 I'm sure.
00:30:47 It's unfortunate, man.
00:30:48 I mean, you're gonna take looks like that.
00:30:49 It's just it's tough taking one that bad knowing that, you know, I don't know.
00:30:57 This league is crazy this year.
00:30:59 I mean, you're right.
00:31:00 It's crazy.
00:31:01 But I thought I thought we can't let those guys sneak into the Big 12 championship game.
00:31:06 Oklahoma State, Kansas State, do your part.
00:31:08 All right.
00:31:09 We cannot let this frickin Sooners sneak into the big.
00:31:11 Well, buddy, that's what I'm saying.
00:31:13 Like how you know, I'm thinking Ali Gordon in Oklahoma State's gonna roll UFC.
00:31:22 You are a USF or UCF and UCF comes out with SpaceX uniforms and blows them out of the
00:31:31 water, holds them for 50 some yard.
00:31:34 I mean, who would have thought that you really think that was going to happen?
00:31:38 Who saw nobody?
00:31:39 Nobody.
00:31:40 Like, I'm like, what smells on it's like that.
00:31:47 What the hell?
00:31:48 Gandhi got a Grundy, son.
00:31:50 Well, you guys real quick.
00:31:52 Did you see what Gandhi did today for his press conference?
00:31:55 I did not.
00:31:56 He showed up with his two dogs to his press conference today.
00:31:59 Oh, wow.
00:32:00 And he goes up to the podium and he goes, I figured you guys were going to crush me
00:32:04 and grill me today.
00:32:05 So I brought my two dogs as a as a as a buffer for a little human shields.
00:32:12 Canine shields.
00:32:13 Yeah.
00:32:14 Well, how about that?
00:32:15 Well, sometimes, guys, and I've heard this said many times through the years by someone
00:32:18 much wiser than me, many people much wiser than me.
00:32:21 Sometimes you football's a simple game and sometimes you can simply reduce it down to
00:32:25 look, it's about how simple can I make life for my quarterback and how difficult can I
00:32:31 make it for yours?
00:32:33 And if you can achieve both those things, you're going to want a lot of football games.
00:32:36 And it was pretty clear to anybody watching that game Saturday night.
00:32:40 Life was pretty simple for Dylan Gabriel.
00:32:43 And life was supremely difficult for Garrett Green.
00:32:47 That's kind of what it felt like when we had the football.
00:32:50 Again, it it didn't feel like we ran for one hundred and seventy six yards.
00:32:54 I think it's because, first of all, that's way more than Oklahoma's allowing this year.
00:32:59 But it's just we've set a standard with that offensive line that to watch them be something
00:33:04 short of dominant, much less than lose at the point of attack.
00:33:09 You're not used to seeing that.
00:33:10 And there were some things we didn't respond well to.
00:33:12 We got out leveraged.
00:33:14 I think a lot of times they won with their pad level.
00:33:17 They had a certain quickness to them in their front seven that that I don't think we reacted
00:33:23 to well when they were playing their stunt game on.
00:33:26 And I mean, they had disruption.
00:33:28 It's almost like sometimes matchups are bad.
00:33:32 And even when you look last year, he's what what they do in Brent Venable's defense.
00:33:36 They're highly aggressive.
00:33:38 They roll the dice and they shoot gaps.
00:33:41 Sometimes they miss those gaps.
00:33:43 And in the quarterback run game, that's part of what Garrett was saying after the game
00:33:46 last year.
00:33:47 One of the big differences was they weren't as gap sound and they lacked gap and gap integrity
00:33:51 when they shot those gaps last year, even though they were disrupted.
00:33:54 But last year we allowed outside of the Oklahoma game last year.
00:34:00 For TFLs per game.
00:34:04 And even in the game, when we beat them, we allowed 12.
00:34:08 It was a bad matchup.
00:34:09 But again, we offset that with the big plays when they weren't gap sound this year outside
00:34:15 of the Oklahoma game.
00:34:16 We're allowing about four and a half TFLs a game.
00:34:19 They had eight.
00:34:20 The difference this year was, yes, they were disruptive.
00:34:23 Yes, they were knocking us backwards, unlike anybody this year so far has.
00:34:27 But we weren't offsetting it with those big plays, those 10, 15, 20 yard plays because
00:34:32 they they had better gap integrity this year.
00:34:35 That's one of the things I noticed and some guys that I was impressed with.
00:34:39 Kendall Dolby, a strong safety, played a heck of a game.
00:34:42 Billy Bowman.
00:34:43 I mean, there were some things we tried to do against him in coverage, but just as a
00:34:46 well-rounded football player, I was impressed by him.
00:34:50 Woody Washington really held his own out there on the perimeter at corner.
00:34:54 But the guy that jumped out at me, and he only had eight tackles.
00:34:57 It's not going to jump off the stat sheet at you, but it's just he was always around
00:35:01 the football.
00:35:02 Danny Stutzman.
00:35:03 I mean, that linebacker, he's been banged up.
00:35:06 He missed some time.
00:35:07 That contributed to kind of their stagger in recent weeks.
00:35:11 He was back and we kind of wondered if it was going to be a game time decision, right?
00:35:15 While I was talking to Drew Favionich on the field, and I said, "What do you think, Drew?
00:35:20 I think you think he's going to play?"
00:35:21 And he said, "Jed, he has three braces on.
00:35:23 He's playing.
00:35:24 You don't put three braces on to go through pregame and not play.
00:35:27 He has an elbow brace, a knee brace.
00:35:28 He said he's playing."
00:35:29 And, you know, Drew, he's been around long enough.
00:35:31 Of course, he nailed it.
00:35:33 And Stutzman came out and he played and played full speed, played lights out.
00:35:37 I mean, he's just he's what I think Ben Cutter can become in three years.
00:35:42 That's what I think you're looking at.
00:35:43 And Stutzman's there.
00:35:45 And he's just the emotional leader for that defense.
00:35:48 So they were charged up to finally get him back in the lineup.
00:35:50 I mean, there were so many different things that was a recipe for disaster.
00:35:55 And we had to bring a premium effort to offset the shot that Oklahoma was going to deliver.
00:36:02 And we didn't bring that premium effort.
00:36:04 And like I said, even the premium effort would have been tough to still be standing after
00:36:08 what they were going to bring.
00:36:10 But we'll never know because we didn't bring that kind of effort.
00:36:12 We didn't bring that kind of efficiency.
00:36:15 We were a flawed football team with a lot of holes on both sides of the football.
00:36:19 But yeah, that's frustrating, the struggle.
00:36:22 I mean, Garrett was out of sorts.
00:36:25 I mean, he even admitted he's like, look, to some extent, looked like there were bodies
00:36:29 everywhere.
00:36:30 And that kind of had him seeing ghosts because we talked last week how critical it was to
00:36:34 stay out of third and longs.
00:36:35 Well, one of the reasons you got to stay out of third and longs is because that's when
00:36:38 he starts dialing up.
00:36:40 That's when Venable starts dialing up these creative simulated pressures.
00:36:43 So in other words, they're only bringing four, but it seems like they're bringing six because
00:36:48 they convinced the O-line, this guy's coming, this guy's coming.
00:36:50 Or next thing you know, they don't.
00:36:51 They bail on the wrong four come.
00:36:53 And you're outnumbered and out leveraged to one side.
00:36:55 And you're wasting half your assets on the other side.
00:36:58 And he's under pressure.
00:36:59 He's under scramble and he's looking to throw into a seven man coverage when it feels like
00:37:03 there are six guys blitzing.
00:37:04 And that's not the case.
00:37:05 So when you fall behind the sticks, we said it all week, guys, if they win the TFL battle,
00:37:11 that's what they do.
00:37:12 They get you into third and seven or longer 57% of the time.
00:37:16 That's why those TFLs matter.
00:37:17 They led the conference in TFLs.
00:37:20 They were among the national leaders in TFLs.
00:37:22 That's why we had to win that battle.
00:37:24 And we didn't.
00:37:25 We got knocked off schedule.
00:37:26 We got knocked off script.
00:37:28 The next thing you know, we're not stopping them.
00:37:30 And they keep separating more and more and more.
00:37:32 It's 17 to seven.
00:37:33 And we have to go for a fourth and two in our own territory because it already felt
00:37:37 like that type of game in the second quarter.
00:37:40 We don't get it.
00:37:41 Now it's 24 to seven.
00:37:42 Now all of a sudden, as Neil talked about, now we have to throw it more than we intended
00:37:45 on throwing it.
00:37:46 Now we're kind of off, so we're out of sorts offensively.
00:37:49 So all those things kind of contributed just to a nightmare of a night.
00:37:55 And I mean, I didn't understand even toward the end, but hey, more power to it reminded
00:38:00 me of the DB2, you know, scoring with six seconds left up 31 to 15.
00:38:05 I was saying, why are you with your star starting quarterback up 32 points in the fourth quarter
00:38:13 with six minutes to go?
00:38:14 Why are you running him?
00:38:15 What are you doing?
00:38:17 Are you that?
00:38:18 And part of me thought, look, Jeff Levy's, in my estimation, it's not fair.
00:38:22 He's done a great job out there.
00:38:23 And last week going into the game, that there are more on offense in the big 12 from a scoring
00:38:27 standpoint, yardage standpoint, but the fans were still giving him the business, the offensive
00:38:31 coordinator out there.
00:38:32 So I almost got the sense like, are you so desperate to have Dylan Gabriel set a school
00:38:39 record by accounting for eight touchdowns?
00:38:42 That was six minutes to go in a game that has long since been decided.
00:38:46 You're going to run him and subject him to vicious shots going down the field, just so
00:38:50 you can get that record and shut everybody up about this.
00:38:52 Hey, Lincoln Riley never did this.
00:38:54 Eight touchdowns by one.
00:38:55 Really?
00:38:56 I can't come up with another reason.
00:38:58 I mean, I even had somebody in the postgame press where I was talking to one of the beat
00:39:01 reporters when I brought that up.
00:39:02 He's like, well, they wanted a red shirt Jackson Arnold.
00:39:04 I'm like, look, did I say I have a problem playing Dylan Gabriel?
00:39:07 Or did I say I have a problem running him and subjecting him to shots with six minutes
00:39:12 left, which they regularly would do?
00:39:13 That just to me, that wasn't smart on their part.
00:39:16 I mean, more power to them, score eight, nine touchdowns.
00:39:18 It's our job to stop them.
00:39:19 But if I'm Oklahoma, he's on the sidelines getting ready for next week because they're
00:39:23 still in the thick of trying to get to Jerry world and win this league.
00:39:27 But I think he's going to be an instrumental part in that.
00:39:29 But I could not have been more impressed than I was by what Dylan Gabriel did.
00:39:34 Oh yeah, he was pretty good.
00:39:39 We said our best guys had to play their best.
00:39:42 That number, that number eight unity really made some plays out there.
00:39:45 He was thrown it to 12 unity.
00:39:47 He was handing it off to unity.
00:39:48 He was no, not thumbs up.
00:39:50 You stupid zoom thumbs down.
00:39:51 All right.
00:39:52 Yeah.
00:39:53 And Jed, you know, you mentioned some of the, like I, I wrote all this down.
00:39:59 Would it have mattered?
00:40:00 Would it have mattered?
00:40:01 I don't know.
00:40:02 Right.
00:40:03 But you score the touchdown on your opening drive.
00:40:05 Great.
00:40:06 Can't have a better start than that.
00:40:07 Oklahoma comes back and you've got a big opportunity early, right on a third and goal to hold them
00:40:14 and they ended up kicking a field goal or maybe they ended up going forward on fourth,
00:40:17 who knows?
00:40:18 That was a big moment.
00:40:20 Dylan Gabriel scores the rushing touchdown.
00:40:22 Oklahoma gets the ball back.
00:40:24 They're driving down the field third and 11 in the red zone, third and 11.
00:40:28 And you let them convert that.
00:40:29 And then they convert another third and goal on a Dylan Gabriel touchdown.
00:40:32 And all of a sudden it's 14 seven when you've had some opportunities to get off the field
00:40:36 or at least hold them to field goals.
00:40:38 And then what happens?
00:40:39 You get the gift of all gifts, right?
00:40:41 You get a muffed punt.
00:40:44 It dropped right in your lap and perfect field position.
00:40:47 And you go three and out and you miss the field goal.
00:40:49 And at that moment, it felt like the game was over.
00:40:52 It was only 14 to seven towards the end of the first quarter, but it felt like the game
00:40:56 was over because you had so many opportunities there to do something and you didn't take
00:41:01 advantage of any of them.
00:41:03 The two third and goals, the third and 11 from the red zone, the muffed punt.
00:41:07 And again, who knows if it matters?
00:41:09 All those things go your direction and you still end up losing by 20.
00:41:12 So Wes, how many times after the Oklahoma state game did we hear, I've never in my life
00:41:18 seen a player run into their own punt returner.
00:41:20 Well, three weeks later you saw it again.
00:41:22 So it does happen.
00:41:23 But to me, the game in microcosm was the goal line stand by Oklahoma.
00:41:29 That was the game in microcosm.
00:41:31 In other words, we weren't able to do that on the other, on the other end.
00:41:34 That's right.
00:41:35 If our offensive line being the offensive line that it has been all year, can't move bodies
00:41:41 to get that final yard, whether Garrett got in on first down or not.
00:41:47 We had, we had three more cracks from the one and we couldn't move their bodies to just
00:41:53 out leverage.
00:41:54 They out leveraged us.
00:41:55 So when they got better pad level, they shot the gaps, they penetrated, uh, they disrupted.
00:42:01 I mean, when we ran that shovel pass, Neil said it was a bad call, but I'm telling you
00:42:06 what I was standing on the goal line.
00:42:07 I mean, he said it was a bad call on his part.
00:42:10 He said, I wish I'd have called something different.
00:42:11 Well, let me tell you, we had the jet, jet sweep action.
00:42:15 When I saw Garrett flip that thing, I thought for a fleet second, Oh man, CJ is going to
00:42:19 walk in and then boom, here's this penetration.
00:42:22 It just, because Tony was asking me as they reviewed it, because I'm literally on the
00:42:26 goal line.
00:42:27 He said, Jed, how did it look to you?
00:42:29 We got a shot here.
00:42:30 I was like, there is no way in the world that ball was even close to the goal line, not
00:42:34 even close.
00:42:35 They just had too much penetration.
00:42:37 So the whole night was represented to me in that one sequence.
00:42:43 That was the night in microcosm that they could do that against our offensive line.
00:42:47 Nobody's done that.
00:42:48 Penn state didn't do that.
00:42:50 So that kind of spoke to what played out for the balance of 60 minutes.
00:42:56 I think that about sums it up.
00:42:58 All right, gentlemen, what do you say here?
00:43:00 We get to a break.
00:43:01 We'll bring him big daddy to close this thing down on the other side.
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00:44:55 Let's go, Mountaineer fans.
00:44:58 You're tuned in to In the Gun with Wes, the runaway beer truck and the signal caller.
00:45:08 Back in the gun here.
00:45:09 It is time to wrap up this Oklahoma recap and the best way to do so is with our handsome
00:45:14 tubby man of gold, our friend, your friend, the mayor of Morgantown, Mr. Big Daddy, Sean
00:45:20 Mariner.
00:45:21 Now, Sean, let's just cut and dry here.
00:45:24 Okay, I am counting on you to just tell us something funny, a story, an anecdote, something
00:45:30 that happened.
00:45:32 Can you make me laugh, funny guy?
00:45:34 All right, because it's been a depressing episode here.
00:45:38 Surprisingly, I'll go right to food.
00:45:40 I know none of you would have guessed that.
00:45:42 Two words, Torchy's tacos.
00:45:45 There's one across the street from the hotel.
00:45:49 When I tell you that in my email, I'm like, "This is where I'm going for breakfast.
00:45:53 I'm getting my breakfast tacos."
00:45:55 I go over there.
00:45:56 There's already seven mountaineers there.
00:45:59 The state troopers came in after us.
00:46:01 Eight more people came in after them.
00:46:03 And then I took a phone call from Tony Caridi when he and his gang went over there to tell
00:46:07 them.
00:46:08 Like, that's-
00:46:09 I was part of that gang.
00:46:12 Torchy's is awesome.
00:46:13 I'm telling you, Norman, where we stay, the amount of food and everything right around
00:46:18 is heaven on earth.
00:46:19 Like, I'm going to miss going to Oklahoma just for the hotel and the location alone.
00:46:23 That area has boomed.
00:46:25 Hasn't it, Big Daddy?
00:46:27 It's one of those weird things, Jed, where it's like we get to watch it grow.
00:46:31 We were the only hotel.
00:46:33 There was one place across the street when we started going there in like 2013.
00:46:36 And now 10 years later, it's a metropolis.
00:46:39 And I feel like a proud parent every time we're around.
00:46:41 We were sitting there eating tacos at lunch.
00:46:43 Because they got that West Virginia money, you know?
00:46:46 Everything's more Norman than sitting there eating at Torchy's Tacos and hear the tornado
00:46:51 siren, you know, blare over top of everything at high noon.
00:46:55 Right?
00:46:56 How could you hear the tornado siren over Boomer Sooner?
00:47:02 Hadn't started yet.
00:47:03 That's a low, slow arriving crowd.
00:47:05 So it was still early in the day.
00:47:07 See?
00:47:08 Look what you did.
00:47:09 Look what you did, you little jerk.
00:47:10 Falling down behind me.
00:47:11 Look what you did, you little jerk.
00:47:12 How are you Friday night, Big Daddy?
00:47:13 It's a nice home alone drop by.
00:47:14 Friday night, Big Daddy.
00:47:15 It's a nice home alone drop by.
00:47:16 Friday night was saltgrass steakhouse.
00:47:17 It's just a chain, but it's a Texas chain.
00:47:20 And it's akin to a longhorn.
00:47:21 And I had me a good time.
00:47:23 I saw our dear buddy, Angelica Trinone, dear jelly.
00:47:28 She posted a-- Jed, I should have taken a screenshot of it.
00:47:32 Because it's one of those Instagram stories that's only there for 24 hours, and then it's
00:47:35 gone.
00:47:36 Yeah.
00:47:37 She posted a picture, her and Big Daddy at dinner, of Sean with his plate and everything
00:47:41 in front of him.
00:47:42 And our guy Sean just looked like the happiest man in the world in that moment.
00:47:45 Please, just punch.
00:47:46 You should have screen grabbed that.
00:47:47 Please, just punch.
00:47:48 Creole, eight ounce top sirloin with some fried crawfish tails, a little lemon butter
00:47:53 and green onion.
00:47:54 Get out of here.
00:47:55 We did Vans pig stand Friday night.
00:47:56 You look like a darn king over there.
00:47:58 Your fat buddy knows how big it happened on the road.
00:48:01 You've been to Vans, Big Daddy?
00:48:03 Never been.
00:48:04 Just because if I am in Oklahoma and/or Oklahoma City, I'm going to Joe's.
00:48:10 And well, there's a couple places in downtown OKC that were good that we would go to for
00:48:18 barbecue.
00:48:19 Everybody's always talked about Vans, but I heard it might not have been the best that
00:48:23 evening.
00:48:24 The brisket, the brisket, everybody was saying the brisket was kind of, by the standards,
00:48:28 we're used to the Southwest on these trips.
00:48:30 But it wasn't up to par.
00:48:32 But I thought the pork barbecue was good.
00:48:34 I thought that the chicken strips were like the grilled chicken strip.
00:48:38 But anyway, we had a nice little feast.
00:48:41 At least we got something out of the trip Friday night.
00:48:43 But Big Daddy, what I wanted to tell these guys about, you and I on the sidelines talking
00:48:47 after the extravaganza that was the field entrance, right?
00:48:52 So you get to stand there in the hole.
00:48:54 Now, first of all, it's changed.
00:48:55 And I've talked about this before in the 10 years or so we've been going out there.
00:49:00 They used to put you in this holding cage outside in the tunnel, outside your locker.
00:49:04 And you'd be held there waiting to come onto the field surrounded by Sooner fans over top.
00:49:09 Well, now it's more of an NFL field.
00:49:11 You come down a corridor, a giant opening into the stadium in the corner of the end
00:49:16 zone, and they hold you there.
00:49:17 But now you get to watch the Sooner entrance video and the light show and the noise and
00:49:24 just all the extravaganza of that.
00:49:26 And I told Big Daddy on the sidelines, we thought this was a good sign, not a bad sign,
00:49:30 right?
00:49:31 And when I was sitting there watching all of us take that in, you know, the Mountaineer
00:49:36 team, even the Mountaineer mascots right in front of us and the cheerleaders, we all felt
00:49:40 like we were like Ivan Drago getting ready to fight Apollo Creed.
00:49:44 Remember, Drago was just staring like, what is this nonsense?
00:49:47 All the flashy lights and he's screaming, you know, singing "Living in America's Playin'."
00:49:51 That's what it felt like.
00:49:52 Oklahoma was Apollo Creed coming into the ring.
00:49:55 And we were just standing there like Ivan Drago, like, what is this craziness?
00:49:59 Can we just play the football game?
00:50:01 Literally didn't know we were going to be on the business end of it.
00:50:04 And then first drive, we're kind of looking around like, yeah, here we go.
00:50:07 I think that's when I said that to you.
00:50:10 Here we go.
00:50:11 Yeah, yeah.
00:50:12 We didn't know we were Creed.
00:50:13 Yeah.
00:50:14 Well, and I was super jacked up after that video y'all made.
00:50:18 Well, well, there's a reason, Owen.
00:50:21 And you say y'all, that was Andrew.
00:50:23 And that was because they got the one, the only Owen to voice it over.
00:50:27 First of all, I wouldn't know.
00:50:29 How did Owen, I mean, how did you not, you kept that one in your front pocket there.
00:50:34 I mean, you weren't spilling any beans.
00:50:36 You weren't putting any teasers out there.
00:50:38 You just quietly going about your business, big O.
00:50:41 I mean, that's kind of how it was.
00:50:42 They asked me and then I didn't forget.
00:50:45 I just, I didn't get to it.
00:50:48 You always got to love, I swear I didn't forget, guys.
00:50:51 I didn't.
00:50:52 I didn't forget.
00:50:53 You know, on my list of, on my busy week, you know, that narrating the WVU hype video
00:50:58 was just a, it slipped my mind.
00:51:01 And he's like, Friday night, the guy that made that video.
00:51:06 No Andrew makes it, Andrew makes the hype video.
00:51:10 Oh Andrew made it.
00:51:13 He called me Monday or he popped his head in Monday when we were over, last Monday,
00:51:16 we were over at the presser and he goes, Hey, putting the video together.
00:51:19 And I'm thinking like Oklahoma, fiesta bowl.
00:51:22 Do you think Owen would, would do it?
00:51:24 I was like, dude, we, we used Owen a couple of years ago for video.
00:51:27 It was great.
00:51:28 He was really good at it.
00:51:29 And he asked me a couple more times during the week.
00:51:30 And then when we got on the plane Friday, he goes, I got really worried.
00:51:34 We used Blaine too.
00:51:35 I was like, well, that's, I mean, that's obviously good to stew speech and his son.
00:51:38 That'll be incredible.
00:51:39 And he goes, yeah, well, Owen didn't get it back to me until a little later.
00:51:42 So I was nervous and then I opened it and listened to it and I was like, Oh my God,
00:51:45 I was like, yeah, I, the guy knows how to do this.
00:51:48 Like it'll be okay.
00:51:49 It was good.
00:51:50 It was good.
00:51:51 They said, go ahead on.
00:51:52 No, no, no, you're good.
00:51:54 I was going to say, they said they intended to use you.
00:51:56 This is what they told me at dinner Friday night.
00:51:58 They said, look, one way or the other, it was either going to be Cincinnati as an old
00:52:02 big East foe or Oklahoma, but you were going to be used.
00:52:05 You were, you were, you were on the itinerary at some point in the coming weeks on the itinerary.
00:52:10 What I love to Wes, our magic didn't work, dude.
00:52:14 Then it didn't, it didn't translate to Norman.
00:52:17 This is what I love.
00:52:18 We weren't at that game.
00:52:19 So the record still, still rolls.
00:52:21 I didn't narrate the video with you.
00:52:23 Go back and listen again.
00:52:25 Owen's been chatting with us this whole time.
00:52:27 Go back and listen again.
00:52:28 And Owen goes into his D he goes into, he goes, he goes, Jeff Bridges in the hell or
00:52:33 high water.
00:52:34 Who are going to go deep?
00:52:35 I was just thinking, man, I wonder what this video is going to be like, dude, I gotta get
00:52:43 fucking hell.
00:52:44 You know what he, you know what it reminded me of?
00:52:46 You know what the Jeff Bridges in hell or high water is a great shout by you to fantastic
00:52:49 movie for those who haven't seen it, by the way.
00:52:52 It reminded me of the Sam, his last name's escaping me, but the cow in big, in big Lebowski
00:52:58 at the end, just make you feel better.
00:53:04 There's a dude out there who hated to see Donnie go, but on good authority there, there's
00:53:09 a new little Lebowski on the way.
00:53:11 I had a no country for old men vibe.
00:53:14 Oh, big time.
00:53:15 Big time.
00:53:16 Yeah.
00:53:17 No, that was fantastic.
00:53:19 That was well done.
00:53:20 It was tough too, because I didn't do it on my mic.
00:53:23 I just did it on literally a iPhone headphone jack deal.
00:53:27 So it was, it was really distorted when I tried to kind of get gritty with the voice.
00:53:36 So I was like, listen back.
00:53:37 Cause I, I, I did it about three times and I was like, ah, I got to switch it up.
00:53:42 And I kind of got, I kind of had to mess with where I was putting it.
00:53:46 But the third time I was like, yeah, that wasn't bad I guess.
00:53:49 Look at, look at audio file Owen over here, like turning into a tech marvel, editing just
00:53:55 everything.
00:53:56 Well, I wanted it to sound good, dude.
00:53:58 He downloaded, he's coming off the scholar job.
00:54:04 He downloaded audacity onto his computer.
00:54:06 Just mix it.
00:54:08 Look at this effect.
00:54:09 What does this do?
00:54:10 What if I fade this in and fade that out?
00:54:11 I wish I had some effects.
00:54:13 I would put a little verb on there.
00:54:15 You know what I mean?
00:54:16 A little on the ones, on the ones and twos.
00:54:18 The old whip it, the old whip it reverb.
00:54:20 Oh, and next time do it through one of your guitars and bust out the wall pedal there.
00:54:26 Yeah, that would be cool.
00:54:29 Two positive stories from the sideline during the game of, of which not a lot of positive
00:54:34 happened.
00:54:35 Jed and I were talking Beanie chasing down.
00:54:37 It was Dylan Gabriel, right?
00:54:39 Right Jed chased him down.
00:54:41 It was a wide receiver.
00:54:42 He had two.
00:54:43 He's the one that made the tackle on the five on the 50 yard catch.
00:54:47 But he did 17 to seven.
00:54:49 Yeah.
00:54:50 What's the first thing I told you after the field goal?
00:54:52 A hundred percent.
00:54:53 I said that was a four point tackle by Beanie.
00:54:56 So what I had to do was score him and Beanie flew across the field from the backside, made
00:55:02 that tackle inside the five and that kind of effort again in a game like that or not,
00:55:07 it's not lost on, you know, people paying attention that that saved us four points.
00:55:11 They're in the sixties if Beanie doesn't make that tackle.
00:55:14 So Beanie makes her hold him, hold him to a field goal.
00:55:17 Sean Martin's coming off and I'm just kind of, I've got my camera up seeing if I can
00:55:20 find anything.
00:55:21 Sean Martin starts to come off, stops, turns around and goes over to Garrett who's warming
00:55:26 up on the sidelines and just talked with him, dap them up, hug them.
00:55:30 And I'm like, okay, like legitimately you see the, the older, the leaders, like they,
00:55:35 they care about each other.
00:55:36 I told you the story before, like Frazier came off and asked me a couple of games ago,
00:55:39 is Sean okay?
00:55:41 Like they care about it.
00:55:43 Third quarter, Oklahoma scores, right?
00:55:46 So we're playing catch up once again, the entire offensive line is coming over.
00:55:50 I'm standing where they're going to take the field once the kickoff is done and all of
00:55:55 them, all 10 of them are just talking to each other.
00:55:58 Like, okay, here we go.
00:56:00 Business as usual, like pumping each other up.
00:56:02 Jaquay, he's a talker and Quay's trying to get everybody going and motivated and we're
00:56:08 down.
00:56:09 Things are not looking great, but it's still like, I took note of that.
00:56:13 Like these guys are still like, they're, they're not, they're not really shaken.
00:56:17 They still maintain calm and focus and, and it just didn't, nothing just produced that
00:56:23 night from it.
00:56:24 You, Big Daddy, did you bump into Garrett's family at the hotel?
00:56:27 No, I didn't get to see them there.
00:56:28 Their Friday night.
00:56:29 Yeah.
00:56:30 I got to hang out with her a few minutes when, with Garrett, but yeah, but his parents were
00:56:34 there, his brother was there.
00:56:35 So it was cool to see them come into, again, all these things just afterwards you reflect
00:56:39 on it.
00:56:40 You're like, man, it's just so.
00:56:41 There's so many reasons to wish that would have gone differently.
00:56:45 Like if it goes differently, the stories that we get, like, this is a much more jovial,
00:56:50 like even the dumbest thing is just like, Oh, wasn't that great?
00:56:55 If we would have somehow won Saturday, I'd be doing this episode with no pants on right
00:56:59 now and doing, and doing Nana, Nana, boo, boo to the Sooners about beating them twice,
00:57:04 right.
00:57:05 As they backed or out to the sec, baby.
00:57:08 That's the fine line.
00:57:09 We've been making fun of how, how undisciplined Oklahoma was for a guy running into their
00:57:13 partner and fumbling.
00:57:14 Yeah, exactly.
00:57:15 Like it just fell down behind me.
00:57:16 Right.
00:57:17 My towing receipt from the, from the pit game.
00:57:19 It's like we talk about the, the margins of happiness and, and, and, and ecstasy.
00:57:23 Right.
00:57:24 I mean, we lose that pit game and back in September and my car gets towed and I look
00:57:28 like it's the worst weekend ever, but you know, that's just a lie, man.
00:57:32 You're doing this episode without your pants on.
00:57:34 Anyway.
00:57:35 Yeah.
00:57:36 The pants are already.
00:57:37 Yeah.
00:57:38 Yeah.
00:57:39 Yeah.
00:57:40 Yeah.
00:57:41 What?
00:57:42 And another, another sad thing from it is the, the Oklahoma folks, the digital team
00:57:44 and their video board folks with Sooner Vision are some of our absolute best friends in the
00:57:49 industry.
00:57:50 Like my guy, Theron took a picture with me pregame on the field, like, and I'm bummed
00:57:55 and he's their basketball guy and Oklahoma is not coming to Morgantown this year.
00:57:59 So that's the last time I'm going to get to see him until like our conferences in the
00:58:03 summer.
00:58:04 Where we used to see each other at least once or twice a year.
00:58:06 Now it's like, I'm not going to get to see Max and Jacob and Theron and those guys like
00:58:11 I did.
00:58:12 So that was kind of sad, but they, you know, losing is far, far sadder than like, okay,
00:58:17 I'll text you guys later.
00:58:18 I'm going to go cry in the locker room a little bit.
00:58:20 So are you in the media room?
00:58:21 Big daddy.
00:58:23 When that beat reporter was trying to defend Dylan Gabriel running the ball.
00:58:28 Well, we want to register Jackson.
00:58:29 I'm like, what does that have to do with running?
00:58:32 Gabriel, we, we see Jed a little energetic here and he can get on a soapbox just to touch.
00:58:38 I have never seen someone sandpaper, his butt cheeks the way that that reporter post game
00:58:45 was because he was, it was Oklahoma.
00:58:47 It was a student reporter.
00:58:49 He started by telling us about how he's a Kentucky man and he doesn't really even like
00:58:52 Oklahoma in the room shut down immediately, but then was not listening to the actual words.
00:58:58 Jed was saying, and was just trying to defend Oklahoma, regardless of whether the situation
00:59:03 might be apt or not.
00:59:04 You already got the win.
00:59:05 We can talk about the minutiae here and you can be in a person and discuss it.
00:59:10 And Jed was just like trying to nail this kid and was getting so frustrated.
00:59:15 Like I could feel you shaking the table underneath.
00:59:17 I'm just like, all I was saying, I thought Brent Venables was smarter than to do something
00:59:24 like that.
00:59:25 That was stupid.
00:59:26 You're up by 32 points.
00:59:27 You're in a title run and you're running your starting quarterback for no reason at all,
00:59:32 other than to score eight touchdowns and silence the fans about your OC.
00:59:36 I'm like, what you're bigger than that.
00:59:37 You're better than that.
00:59:38 What are you doing?
00:59:39 Oh, well, we want to register Jackson Arnold.
00:59:41 What does that have to do with anything?
00:59:43 At one point you yelled, we don't have any, you don't have any other quarterbacks.
00:59:46 You don't have any other quarterbacks.
00:59:47 And for that matter, I don't even care if Dylan Gabriel is playing.
00:59:51 I don't even care if he's going to play action and get the ball out fast.
00:59:54 He's running down the field, taking shots.
00:59:56 What are you doing?
00:59:58 And the kid doesn't know Jed was a quarterback.
01:00:00 He doesn't know the credentials.
01:00:02 So he's just, he doesn't know the credentials.
01:00:05 People are just like boiling in the room.
01:00:10 Anyway, I just thought, oh my goodness.
01:00:16 That's okay.
01:00:17 One more thing before we, before we wrap this up, I need your guys' opinion on this.
01:00:22 You could tell me if I'm wrong, cause you were there and maybe it's different in person,
01:00:26 but I think that cut in the lights thing after touchdowns is so dumb.
01:00:29 NFL teams are doing that now.
01:00:31 College teams are doing that now.
01:00:33 One, it's dumb because you can't see what's happening on the field.
01:00:36 Like, and I, and again, I know that that's for the in stadium atmosphere.
01:00:40 So you can tell me if it's cooler in person, but two, like, I don't know.
01:00:45 I don't know if I'd love that if I was in the stadium either.
01:00:47 I mean, I'd probably love it in the student section.
01:00:48 Cause I'd be pushing people over and stealing beers and stuff.
01:00:51 But like, if I'm an adult, I don't know if I love that in the student stadium.
01:00:55 I thought it was cool, but it's dumb.
01:00:57 In other words, how did that pass muster with the attorneys?
01:01:01 Somebody's carrying a, you know, a drink carrier full of beers down the steps and all of a
01:01:05 sudden the lights go out.
01:01:06 I mean, how did the attorney say this is a good idea?
01:01:10 It goes, you've got a lot of elderly people who go to those football games.
01:01:14 Like yes, again, I'm sure if I was in the student section, I would have loved it.
01:01:18 Cause I'd have been slapping all my buddy's asses.
01:01:20 Who was that?
01:01:21 Who just grabbed your ass?
01:01:22 Who was that?
01:01:23 And the light was in the dark.
01:01:24 It was in the dark.
01:01:25 Yeah.
01:01:26 That too.
01:01:27 Like it is cool.
01:01:28 It is.
01:01:29 It's cool.
01:01:30 It is cool.
01:01:31 And they did a fourth quarter, like heading into the fourth quarter, did a light show.
01:01:33 I appreciate the technology.
01:01:35 It really is, is kind of cool and neat.
01:01:37 It's very expensive.
01:01:39 Like I get that.
01:01:41 I agree with you guys.
01:01:42 Would they score the first touchdown?
01:01:43 Let's do the light show or fourth quarter where we announced like, Hey, we're going
01:01:46 to do a light show here.
01:01:48 I do think you need to be a little situated.
01:01:51 And this is just me being a bit of a prude with how we have to do game management up
01:01:54 top too.
01:01:55 I think you have to be situational.
01:01:57 You know what I mean?
01:01:58 Like when BYU against BYU says, I didn't get to talk to you guys.
01:02:02 Everyone thought I was too good for you.
01:02:03 When that player went down in the BYU game, it took up an entire TV timeout because he
01:02:09 was injured and he was hurt and down the whole time.
01:02:12 We had three things we had to do that break, including a recognition for WVU children's
01:02:17 medicine that we had to break and scramble for the next 20 minutes.
01:02:20 I was on the radio with our marketing folks trying to reorganize everything because there's
01:02:25 a player down on the field.
01:02:27 That's the game.
01:02:28 We do not want to get on and be like, all right, fans, get on your feet.
01:02:30 It's time for the WVU medicine.
01:02:32 Like that's unbelievably rude.
01:02:35 When you see a situation like Drake Stoops is tits up on the ground, we don't know if
01:02:41 he's hurt.
01:02:42 We don't know what's going on.
01:02:43 And then Wilson's going off.
01:02:44 Maybe I don't press the light, go black.
01:02:46 Let's go party button.
01:02:47 Maybe I wait for a second just to see.
01:02:49 We just don't do it for that.
01:02:50 Have a sense of the moment.
01:02:51 Have a sense of that.
01:02:52 That was the only thing where I was like, let's just, we can do it situation.
01:02:56 When you're scoring your seventh and eighth touchdowns of the game, do you still need
01:02:59 to black the place out?
01:03:00 At that point, fans were just like, yeah, yeah, the lights.
01:03:03 Okay.
01:03:04 Yeah.
01:03:05 Yeah.
01:03:06 You're like, golly.
01:03:07 You're right, big daddy.
01:03:08 The entrance part of it.
01:03:09 When you're, when you're in the tunnel coming onto the field, I mean, it's a very different,
01:03:13 it's almost like you feel like you're, they're showing off that they can turn their lights
01:03:16 on and off and be at full power so quickly.
01:03:18 It's like, yeah, I'm like, doesn't it take you like two hours to warm those lights back
01:03:21 up?
01:03:22 You can snap a finger and boom, the right back.
01:03:24 Yeah.
01:03:25 It's pretty impressive.
01:03:26 I mean, it is really impressive for, for an intro, for a team intro that really adds something
01:03:30 to it.
01:03:31 And then the fireworks and everything else, of course, they stand out to the backdrop,
01:03:35 but, but I agree with you pick your spots.
01:03:37 And for all the video nerds out there, I know it drives like when we, we sometimes we do
01:03:42 black everywhere for country roads at basketball and some of our video folks are like, can
01:03:46 we not do that?
01:03:47 Because then that changes what the court looks like while we're trying to film.
01:03:50 And obviously football, a full stadium going dark, the lights are at least still on in
01:03:54 the Coliseum, a full stadium going dark.
01:03:56 If you're trying to get reacts or anything, you're, you're, it's all kinds of technical
01:04:00 stuff.
01:04:01 Trying to get like celebrations on the sideline or something.
01:04:03 Yeah.
01:04:04 Yeah.
01:04:05 So I know, I know video folks don't love it that much, but all it takes is one person
01:04:10 out of 83,000 be stepping down a step, carrying food or beer or, and, and just miss the step.
01:04:17 I can't believe the attorneys NFL and otherwise have been cool with this.
01:04:21 That's the part that surprises me in this litigious world that we live in.
01:04:25 That's the part that surprises me.
01:04:27 Part of the game experience, man.
01:04:29 And you know, too, it's when you get your ticket stub, well, I guess now most of the
01:04:33 tickets are digital, right?
01:04:35 But whatever, when you read the verbiage on there, I'm sure it says we cannot be held
01:04:39 liable for if you fall down the stairs, when we turn the lights off, that's on you.
01:04:43 And then let me tell you something that's, that's going to hold as about as much water
01:04:47 as my attorney buddies tell me that the signs at Walmart, not responsible for items stolen,
01:04:51 not respond.
01:04:52 He said, yeah, let's find out.
01:04:53 Let's something gets stolen.
01:04:54 Let's something hit your car and see how much that sign's worth.
01:04:56 Yeah.
01:04:57 Yeah.
01:04:58 Well, hopefully it won't be any of us who ever have to find that out and we will not
01:05:02 be going to the prior palace on the Prairie, at least anytime soon.
01:05:06 Smell you later.
01:05:07 Sooners.
01:05:08 I wish I could say it's been fun, but it hasn't.
01:05:10 I mean, yeah, I've not had a good time.
01:05:13 I've not had a good time.
01:05:14 I've not had a good time.
01:05:15 I've had a good time.
01:05:17 Sooners not a good time.
01:05:18 Well, let's let me tell you something in closing here.
01:05:22 This is, this struck me in the 12 years since we joined the big 12, we've lost by 17 or
01:05:32 more points 24 times.
01:05:36 In the previous 12 years in the big East, we lost by 17 or more points seven times.
01:05:45 Four of those were Miami who left the league in '04.
01:05:49 So three times after two, from 2004 to 2011, did we get beat by 17 points.
01:05:56 These types of games in this type environment, again, the margin for error is so slim, you
01:06:02 better show up and bring it.
01:06:04 And we've talked before how difficult it is to weekend week out, get your kids to bring
01:06:10 their best effort.
01:06:11 Well, you could be Oklahoma State, who's a ranked team and on a hot streak.
01:06:15 And if you don't bring your best, you don't get beat 17 to 10 by UConn or you're down
01:06:20 at halftime by a field goal, whatever the case might be at a South Florida.
01:06:24 No, no, no.
01:06:25 You could be 45 to three.
01:06:26 You get embarrassed.
01:06:27 If you don't bring your best in this league, they leave you behind.
01:06:32 They blow your doors off.
01:06:34 And that's what stood out.
01:06:35 It's just I'm tired of games in that building all the way back to really our second trip
01:06:40 there feeling like that one the other night felt.
01:06:45 The pettiness of Oklahoma, not towards us, the amount of times they showed Oklahoma State
01:06:51 versus UCF highlights and the score on the big board.
01:06:55 Sean, Sean, I did like it a little bit because that's us with Pitt.
01:07:00 We do put the Pitt score up there just to get people to boo.
01:07:03 But when they just beat us the week before, that's now that's there's the other one.
01:07:07 I was like, I did respect it like, OK, man, they're really they're digging in here.
01:07:13 And they and they think that the big 12 refs are so out to get them because it's all my
01:07:16 goodness, they miss it.
01:07:17 But like Oklahoma never got a favorable call over the last couple of decades.
01:07:22 Sean, I said this on the preview show last week that the Oklahoma Sooners or the Boston
01:07:29 Red Sox.
01:07:30 Yeah, like, yeah.
01:07:32 Texas is the Yankees, but you're still the Red Sox.
01:07:36 Like we don't like you either.
01:07:37 You're insufferable as well, too.
01:07:39 You've become just as bad as they have overall because of all the success you've had in the
01:07:43 last two decades.
01:07:45 Like they they think that they're like one of the little guys fighting the fight and
01:07:49 the big 12 hates us.
01:07:51 And Texas is the worst.
01:07:52 And no, you are the Boston Red Sox, the New York Yankees.
01:07:55 OK, and I am so glad that I don't have to deal with those.
01:07:59 Did you hear the story that Big Daddy told about the reporter telling us he was from
01:08:02 Kentucky, yada, yada, yada.
01:08:05 Here's how that started.
01:08:07 When we were in the postgame press room.
01:08:10 They're sitting there and you could tell they were Oklahoma beat reporters, right?
01:08:12 One of them came in late.
01:08:13 The other two were sitting there.
01:08:15 And I asked one of them, let me ask you something.
01:08:17 Would you have rather one last week in bedlam and lost 45 to three today?
01:08:23 Would you trade places with Oklahoma State?
01:08:27 And that's when the guy I'm not even from here.
01:08:28 I'm a Kentucky fan.
01:08:30 That's all it started.
01:08:31 You know, and even the other Oklahoma writers were looking at him like, who the hell is
01:08:34 this guy?
01:08:35 We're not we're not with him.
01:08:36 We're not with that guy.
01:08:37 Yeah, yeah.
01:08:38 Well, they would probably say no, because we don't care about Oklahoma State, even though
01:08:42 we played their highlights 57 times on the Jumbotron and, you know, won't shut up about
01:08:47 how much we got robbed in that game on one pass interference call that wasn't thrown
01:08:52 at the very end of the game.
01:08:53 Like the previous 58 minutes didn't matter or anything like that.
01:08:56 And like, I don't know.
01:08:57 Like, I still don't have nightmares about TJ Simmons in excessive blocking in 2018.
01:09:01 And we've seen that called so many times since then.
01:09:04 Haven't I?
01:09:05 I like West kind of like how that was actually a backward lateral, not a forward pass against
01:09:10 Green Bay on Sunday.
01:09:11 You are 100 percent correct.
01:09:12 You are 100 percent correct.
01:09:14 It's fine.
01:09:15 I'm fine.
01:09:16 Packers probably win if the right calls made there.
01:09:17 I don't know about that, but oh, boy.
01:09:19 But you know what you're not going to do, Sean?
01:09:21 You're not going to sit on Twitter for an entire week and bitch moan and complain about
01:09:24 it, are you?
01:09:25 No.
01:09:26 I'm an old man.
01:09:27 You're a victim of sideline Canada.
01:09:30 You better believe it.
01:09:31 I got sideline Canada.
01:09:32 The first two drives, I was just like, here it is.
01:09:35 This is sideline Canada day in Pittsburgh.
01:09:37 Listen, listen.
01:09:38 The only NFL talk that we have on this program, all right, is about our Lord and Savior, Eugene
01:09:43 Geno Smith, who did it once again and somehow has those Seahawks tied for first place in
01:09:49 their division.
01:09:50 All right.
01:09:51 That's career.
01:09:52 Selling the farm for him, baby.
01:09:53 He's going to the Pats.
01:09:54 Him and Will Greer at the Patriots.
01:09:56 Let it begin.
01:09:57 You see that game winner?
01:09:59 Low and away.
01:10:00 Perfect ball placement.
01:10:01 That was just a thing of beauty.
01:10:03 I can't wait to buy one of those Geno Smith Seahawks throwback jerseys when I'm out in
01:10:08 Seattle in about six weeks.
01:10:09 I just can't wait for it.
01:10:12 All right.
01:10:13 This has been fun.
01:10:14 Not really.
01:10:15 I mean, it has with you, Sean, because it always is.
01:10:17 But yeah.
01:10:18 Tough couple of days.
01:10:19 Tough couple of days.
01:10:21 The good news is we roll along.
01:10:23 We'll have your week 12 pick 'em tomorrow.
01:10:25 We will have the what is it?
01:10:27 Cincinnati preview on Thursday.
01:10:29 And of course, Phil Steel on Friday.
01:10:31 So we'll roll along together.
01:10:32 A lot in front of you still go win these last two games, finish eight and four.
01:10:37 And and maybe this one won't sting nearly as much.
01:10:39 Don't let this type of game beat you two weeks in a row.
01:10:42 That's the mantra going forward.
01:10:44 The one thing we ask of you is always as we get out of here is to be in here and telling
01:10:46 you about your new favorite WVU football podcast.
01:10:50 Big thanks to Big Daddy.
01:10:51 Big thanks to Skyler for putting this all together.
01:10:54 For Jed Drinning and Owen Schmidt, I am Wesley Uhler.
01:10:57 Thanks for listening.
01:10:58 We'll talk to you again soon.
01:10:59 You've been in the gun.
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