ITW de Douglas Murray, reporter de guerre en Israël
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00:00 reading your piece in The Spectator this week, Douglas, about the young of particularly this
00:04 country but of many other countries who have sort of joined in with this mass kind of hatred
00:09 of Israel. There's more Palestinian marches being made through the streets of Britain
00:15 over the course of this weekend. They're now saying, "Oh, well, this is not a ceasefire,
00:18 so we're still going to march until we get a ceasefire." You've got some interesting
00:21 things to say about that.
00:23 Look, I mean, these people marched from the day after the Hamas atrocities of October
00:31 7. They literally marched before Israel had done anything in retaliation for the murder
00:37 of 1,400 Israelis and the abduction of 240 civilians and the stealing of them into Gaza
00:43 in God knows what conditions. So these people who are marching on our streets in London
00:48 and around the UK were doing this from the start. They don't actually care about the
00:55 Palestinians. I'm very persuaded by this. I've covered a lot of conflicts, including
00:58 in this region. You know, there were no marches when Bashar al-Assad was massacring hundreds
01:04 of thousands of Syrians. There were no marches of this size in the UK. There were no marches
01:08 of this size in the UK when hundreds of thousands of Muslims were being killed in Yemen. These
01:13 people, including the Muslims and including the Daltish leftists and others who go along
01:18 with this, they don't actually care about the Palestinians. What they hate is Israel
01:25 defending itself. What they hate is the one Jewish state in the world defending its civilians.
01:31 They believe that they don't have the right to do that. And if anyone thinks that if Israel
01:37 somehow opened the borders of Gaza, that by the way, Egypt also closes, that this would
01:43 all be peaceful. Just look at what happened when 4,000 people flooded through the Gaza
01:50 into Israel last month. I've seen too many of the sites of what they did myself by now.
01:57 They carried out atrocities of a kind that we haven't seen since the Second World War.
02:02 We haven't seen atrocities like this since Nazi Germany. And these guys were so happy
02:09 when they were doing it. As they were massacring, we have the tapes, we have the evidence, by
02:14 the way, we've already got Holocaust denial in real time. We have the tapes of the people
02:19 who were being killed. We have their iPhone footage. We have the attackers' videos. They
02:24 were doing GoPro as they were going around house to house. We have the first responders'
02:29 videos. We have bodies in the morgue not far up from me still being worked on by forensic
02:35 pathologists to try and work out who, which sex these bodies even were, who these people
02:41 were in life, whether they were male or female, young or old. Why? Because the bodies were
02:46 so badly decimated by Hamas that even now, seven weeks later, the identities of some
02:54 of the victims are not known. And how dreadful is it to look back on the day itself and go
03:01 into Gaza and watch as you see people demonstrating, you know, cheering, shouting, you know, spitting
03:07 on the dead bodies of some of the victims as they were driven on the back of pickup
03:13 trucks. Melanie Phillips wrote an interesting piece earlier this week, Douglas, you probably
03:17 saw it, in which she said, you know, the secret that dare not speak its name is that there's
03:21 an awful lot more people in Gaza and the West Bank who support Hamas than we know. Oh, yeah.
03:28 Oh, yeah. I mean, people talk about this sort of idea. And it's a nice fiction that the
03:33 Gaza is sort of ruled by Hamas, who, of course, were voted in by the Gazans in 2006 and, of
03:39 course, never held another election. It's true that Hamas in Gaza has, among other things,
03:44 tortured and killed their Fatah opponents and members of other Palestinian factions.
03:48 Hamas has no particular love for the Palestinians either. If it did, it wouldn't have taken
03:52 all the millions and billions of dollars of international aid that British taxpayers,
03:56 among other things, sent them and built tunnels underneath Gaza and then used it for their
04:00 own wealth creation abroad and pumping it into foreign bank accounts. You know, happy
04:05 us, the British taxpayer, where our dollars went when they went to Gaza. But yes, I mean,
04:12 it's astonishing to me to watch what is happening back home. I tell you this, Mike, this is
04:17 the one thought I've had most since this all started was I'm pretty confident that -- and
04:23 having been in Gaza with the IDF embedded with them -- I'm pretty confident that Israel
04:28 knows what it needs to do to protect its civilians, its citizens. What I wonder here tonight in
04:33 Israel is, is that the case back home? As I look at the scenes in Ireland tonight with
04:40 riots in the streets after this terrible stabbing earlier, does Ireland know how to defend itself?
04:46 When I look at scenes like those in London where we see disgusting young men and women
04:51 praising a terror organization, and even the people who praise a group that massacred young
04:57 people at the kind of dance festival they themselves would go to happily in a normal
05:02 day, when I see that, I wonder, does Britain know what it needs to do to defend itself?
05:07 I wonder. I'm not so worried about Israel at the moment. I think Israel can defend itself.
05:12 I'm worried about Britain. Can we? Well, wait until you see what we've got later on in the
05:16 show which is a series of footage, pieces of footage from various mosques up and down
05:22 the country where openly it is being said that we should go out and kill Jews indiscriminately,
05:29 kill Zionists, quoting from the Koran, talking about, you know, let them come out behind
05:34 the Jew and kill him. Unbelievable stuff being said right out there in the open. They're
05:39 not even pretending anymore. No. That's, by the way, that last quote is a hadith from
05:46 Islamic scripture and it points to one of the sources of the problem. It's very, very
05:50 deeply embedded, this anti-Semitism that we're seeing at the moment. But no, I mean, the
05:56 situation we have in Britain, I mean, Mike, what are we going to do about these people?
06:01 Do we really want to live with Hamas supporters in the UK? We have them. There are people
06:06 like Mohammed Soualha who lives in North London in a flat he mysteriously managed to buy with
06:12 a lot of cash the other year. Britain gave him the ability to remain in the UK. You're
06:17 meant to sign a form when you become a British citizen saying you're a person of good character.
06:23 We knew that he was a Hamas commander, Mohammed Soualha, when he became a British citizen.
06:27 How can a Hamas commander be a person of good standing? This is something that the British
06:33 government needs to address. He should go. We should not want to be in the same country
06:38 as him. No, you're absolutely right. And he even came in on a fake passport. Douglas,
06:42 fantastic to talk to you.
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