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02:03 Welcome back to Season 3, Episode 7 of The Perimeter, sponsored by McGillivray Environmental.
02:09 Uh, feels good to be back, kind of, when it's freezing out. Obviously in this episode,
02:16 we're going to recap the Maui Invitation that was played in Honolulu. Fantastic tournament.
02:22 They did a good job of getting that thing off the ground. The venue was decent. The
02:29 Stan Sheriff Center was, I mean, it's not as good as the La Haina Center or whatever,
02:34 as far as atmosphere, but it was still solid. And then some really good basketball games.
02:41 Obviously the weather was beautiful. The water was beautiful. Food, all that stuff.
02:45 You know, coming back and it's what, 22 degrees out right now, something like that.
02:51 It's too cold. It's freezing. At least it's sunny, I guess.
02:54 I know. It's been a mild winter, but it's starting to get cold, which is normal, but
02:59 every year it happens. It just sucks. Did you spend Thanksgiving there? Yeah. And then,
03:03 did you come home like this weekend? Yeah, I came home Friday. Oh, nice. Friday night, I think.
03:09 But yeah, we did Thanksgiving after, you know, the games were Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
03:17 and we just had all day Thursday to do whatever and hung out at the beach and pool and, you know,
03:22 ate dinner and went to a restaurant with my kids and stuff. It was fantastic, but,
03:28 you know, first game that we played there was a really tough matchup. We talked about in the
03:33 previous episode about playing Purdue, probably the best team in the country. Zach Eadie, you know,
03:40 the Smith kids, a good player, lawyer on their perimeter who didn't have a good game against us.
03:44 But just how much of an opportunity and challenge it would be for our guys
03:50 to play in that game. I thought to start, the plan was way better than it was last year
03:59 defensively. We played, some of it has to do with personnel, but we played Eadie straight up,
04:05 one on one with Graham Ekay, and I like that strategy. And if you're listening, you're thinking,
04:10 you know, wouldn't that be at an extreme disadvantage not to double team him?
04:14 I like the idea of, you know, letting a guy maybe get 40, but nobody else touches it and
04:21 gets in a rhythm, you know, he's going to have to really beat you and that's hard to do.
04:24 And he started the game three for three, and it was kind of like, oh God, and it was 6-0.
04:31 And then we came down and banged in two threes and then got like a 14-6 run, went on a 14-0 run.
04:39 So I thought the game plan was good though, because we didn't over help when he got it in
04:44 the post. We didn't double team because he's too tall, I talked about that. He just sees right over
04:49 the top of it, and he's trained to, you know, hit a dive cut or, you know, dive cut from the weak
04:54 side and then a fill behind. So then the guy on the weak side has to guard two, and he's going to
05:00 smash the cutter. So then you end up giving up wide open threes, which in today's game is a no-no,
05:06 obviously. So putting Graham on him, I thought, was the right move, because he started, like I
05:15 said, I think he was three for three, but then I think he missed his like next four or five shots.
05:19 And it's not like, you know, Graham was playing the same defense, but it's not like he's, you
05:25 know, a perfect player or anything like that. So I think just the overall strategy to start the game
05:30 was much better executed than it was the year before in Portland. Portland, we tried to front
05:37 and double team. It's just you can't do that, because they'd flash and they hit them high, and
05:42 they're just trained to angle them. So, you know, to start the game, I was really impressed with,
05:50 you know, like I said, the plan, the execution was much better. And for the most part,
05:58 we controlled that first half. And if you want to be completely honest, there was a couple times
06:03 where I felt like we could have extended the lead beyond five. And there were some opportunities
06:09 where we didn't exactly make the right plays or right decisions or just had some silly turnovers.
06:16 And then obviously I'll get into it. The three-point shooting was absolutely horrendous.
06:22 I mean, just plain and simple. Like I think the last three that we made was at the 232 mark
06:29 when Dusty hit that corner three that bounced around forever.
06:33 In the second half?
06:35 In the first half.
06:35 Oh, in the first half. Oh my God, you're right. Yeah.
06:37 Yeah, and then we missed 16 in a row after that. We went 0 for 16 since,
06:41 which is crazy to even think about. So we were six, I think we were six for 16 at that point. Yep.
06:49 Yeah.
06:49 Or five for 17 or five for 15, six for 16 make, and then we ended up six for 32.
06:57 Yeah.
06:57 So we were getting great opportunities. It's not like they were all
07:03 completely wide open, but they weren't all like forces and they weren't early in the clock.
07:10 Was that a strategy that was Purdue's giving us the three?
07:16 Well, I think they were probably banking and just looking on percentage-wise.
07:21 Yeah.
07:21 Yeah. Like, I mean, Dusty's unproven as a shooter. Nobody knows Braden Huff. And I mean,
07:29 he obviously can make shots, but he's a freshman. And then they know Ben Gregg is a pick-a-pop guy.
07:35 That's obvious. Graham's shot made this first two. He was the one that scored the first six points,
07:41 but that's not his game.
07:44 No.
07:44 You know what I mean? It's one of those where I said it on the air,
07:47 where you dare a guy and you kind of hope he makes one or two, because then he'll keep shooting it.
07:53 Totally.
07:54 And it's not a knock on Graham, but he's better around the basket, and he'll tell you that too.
07:57 Yeah.
07:58 So he's improved that area of his game, but he needs to take two wide open ones a game,
08:03 and that's it.
08:03 Yeah.
08:04 You know what I'm saying? Not six or whatever he took. Yeah, he's two for six, and he missed his
08:07 next four. So going into that first half, up five, obviously felt good against the number one team
08:16 in the country, but you also were like, "Man, we could have extended that if we had strung
08:19 together shots," because they didn't play very good offensively. I mean, they shot 10 for 27
08:25 in the first half, one for six for three. So defensively, we were absolutely fantastic,
08:33 and on the glass. I mentioned it the year before at Portland, they went plus 15.
08:40 We ended up going even for the game, but I think at halftime we were either even or minus one,
08:47 minus two, which obviously, basically a wash. So I was really, really pleased and
08:53 impressed with the effort, the execution of the game plan. I thought we did a good job on Eadie,
08:59 like I said, in the first half. Obviously, the three-point shooting, beyond that,
09:05 I got really stagnant, but there was just opportunities that, if you look back at that
09:11 game, especially in the first half, we didn't try to extend the lead. So like I said, you're up five,
09:18 okay, we feel pretty good. Purdue came out with a lot of energy early, and they had a lot of fans
09:25 there, and they played with a lot of grit, and they just kept itching the game along, itching
09:31 the game along. And I think there was a sequence, if my memory serves, yeah, but there was a sequence
09:41 where it was tied, or we were up two or down two, where the game was really close in the second
09:48 half, and we got two straight steals with Hickman, either a two-on-one or a one-on-one, and we didn't
09:55 convert on them, and then they extended the lead after that, and then it kind of got into
10:00 cruise control for them, where they controlled the pace. Eadie played much better in the second
10:06 half. He ended up eight of 16, 14 rebounds, 25 points. The biggest stat, though, nine for 10 from
10:14 the free throw line. 13 of 16 overall for Purdue, five of eight for us. So obviously it tells a
10:22 story. You could easily argue the whistle wasn't our way. I usually try to be as non-biased as
10:28 possible. I didn't think the whistle was that bad. They were just more aggressive. We were
10:32 shooting way too many threes. That was part of the game plan, too, though. It's not like, let's go out
10:37 and jack, but hey, we know there's a big kid around the rim that can block shots, so picking
10:42 pops and spacing them and spreading them gives you an opportunity to negate that, but if you miss a
10:50 bunch, then it can be really bad. So I think that second half, we just obviously missed 16
10:58 threes in a row, which is almost like historic, and I don't mean to be funny, but if you look
11:03 back, I think that's probably the all-time record of consecutive missed threes and maybe field goals
11:10 or whatever. Threes for sure for Gonzaga. I mean, I don't think there's ever been a game where he
11:15 makes 16 in a row. I mean, seriously. I guarantee there's not. Or you'd really have to search,
11:22 you know, like whenever. There's not even games where you can take 16 threes in general.
11:29 Yeah, that's true. From your perspective, were they tired?
11:35 Were they just taking bad shots? No, I think it was maybe a little bit of both. Okay, so
11:40 the shot selection was B+. It wasn't absolutely terrible, and at this level, you're going to take
11:47 quote-unquote some bad ones, and I know that sounds funny if people are listening like, "What?
11:51 What?" It's like, well, Division I players and not everything's going to be scripted. Like,
11:56 guys are, if they're good shot makers, they will take some quote-unquote bad ones, and sometimes
12:01 they go in. You know, you kind of have to let guys play that style, but also I think maybe there was
12:10 a, how do I say this the right way? When you use all your energy all at once, you know what I'm
12:19 saying? You don't get your second wind. Yeah. You know what I mean? So basically, I think our legs
12:24 looked a little bit heavy in that first game, which is, you know, jet lag or whatever you want
12:28 to call it. The time change, even though it's going backwards for us, it's not as big. Maybe
12:35 that could be an issue or blamed on the poor three-point shooting, but Purdue went 4-17 as well.
12:47 Yeah. So, you know, maybe it was a bad shooter's gym or the rims were tough or, I mean, seriously,
12:53 that's a real thing. The balls are pumped up. You know what I mean? Like, people laugh when I say
12:57 that. I'm like, you know, when they're in the NCAA tournament, there is a level that the balls have
13:02 to be inflated by. I mean, it's, you know, like it's a real thing. The refs have a monitor thing,
13:08 and then the rim tightness is measured, and they measure, they do it in the upper, like,
13:15 three-quarters of what it's allowed in the NCAA tournament, and you're always like,
13:19 "Hey, dumbasses, this is an entertainment product," and there's been data. The shooting
13:26 percentages go down like half, you know, probably like 5% per game, basically, overall. Like,
13:32 have you watched NCAA tournaments? Man, there's a lot of bricks. Part of it, I'm not even joking,
13:36 like, the rims are tight as shit, and they're brand new balls out of the package that are
13:40 inflated as hell, and you're always like, again, "Dumbasses, like, this is a viewing product. Do
13:46 you want the ball to go in the basket? Like, why would you do that?" Yeah, well, because, like,
13:49 yeah, because they measure it, and they have to tighten it, right? Yeah, they tighten it to a
13:54 certain, but they do it in the, there's a window you can have it, and I think they do it on the
13:59 upper three, you know, higher than it, or the lower end, I guess, which is dumb. It's a TV product,
14:06 right? Obviously, the NCAA, so anyway, that maybe felt, looked like it a little bit,
14:12 could have been part of it, but, I mean, at the same time, let's be fair, like,
14:16 and this is not just to knock guys, but they would say the same thing, like, "You just step up and
14:21 make a shot," and it's not like they missed them on purpose, or they weren't trying, it just didn't
14:25 go down, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, we ended up losing by 10. Purdue just made a bunch
14:31 of plays. That Smith kid, the point guard, number three, was 6 for 8, had a great game, 13 points.
14:38 We did an excellent job on the other guard, Lawyer, who killed us last year. He was 0 for 6,
14:43 only had 2, but the Jones kid from, I think he was from, like, Southern Illinois, transfer,
14:48 great transfer for them. Went 6-14, had 13, but it was just his athleticism and his pace and
14:55 defensive work kind of really hurt us, and then, you know, let's look down on our stats. I mean,
15:03 Graham was 6-10, played 27 minutes, played great, 14.7 rebounds. Anton didn't play great, 4-10,
15:11 8 points, 4 assists, only 2 rebounds, played 23 minutes. Nemhard played 39 minutes, 5-17,
15:21 11 points, 6 assists, only 2 turnovers, but didn't shoot it well, 1-9 from 3.
15:27 Let's look at Nolan's line, was 5-14, 11 points, 1 rebound, 4 assists, oh no, excuse me,
15:35 2 assists, 4 turnovers, so he didn't play good. So our backcourt goes 10-31 on 2-12 from 3,
15:44 bad. And then Stromer, I know he's a freshman, played 30 minutes, 3-7, 1-5 from 3,
15:52 9 points, 6 rebounds, so I mean, he's going to get better offensively, but that's,
15:57 I mean, he'll probably tell you that's not a great offensive game either.
16:00 You don't want Graham BK being your top 3-point shooter.
16:04 Yeah, exactly, that's nothing against Graham, but that's not his game.
16:07 You know, so we ended up, like I said, 6-32, that's a whopping 18.8%, and 37% from the floor.
16:17 So like, it's something, you know, we don't have to look up right now, but like,
16:23 when's the last time you've ever seen us shoot under 40%? Like, if we shoot in the 42s,
16:29 that's really considered like a really bad game for Gonzaga basketball. Not just on shot making,
16:33 but normally we create layups and easier shots, ankle baskets, you know, stuff that
16:38 you kind of manufacture. So all in all, tough game, it was a tough matchup no matter what,
16:45 I'd say that even if we won. Like, it was just a hard matchup. They're really good,
16:51 they're going to be tough in the tournament. The only thing that, you know, can be scary for them,
16:58 and they already know this, it happened to them last year, is if we make those threes,
17:02 they really struggle with, because they got to get E away from the basket, that's what happened
17:07 to them the first round, you know what I'm saying? And then if you can get him in foul trouble and
17:10 get him off the floor, obviously they're not as dynamic offensively. But when he's on the floor,
17:16 and when they're rolling and playing defense and flying around, they're really, really tough to
17:20 beat. I think Painter's a good coach, I think he's a good guy too, you know what I'm saying?
17:25 They kind of play the right way, not cheap, fans were nice, you know what I'm saying? Like,
17:29 some programs you're like, "I really don't want these guys to win," even if they're not playing
17:33 us. But Purdue seemed like they figured it out. Yeah, they're a good program, I feel like.
17:38 They are a good program, they just got to figure it out in March, and that's, everybody can say
17:41 that, but last year was a debacle. So, you know, for their, like, you know, the rise of their
17:48 program or the continued escalation, they need to have a good tournament run. Yeah, someone made a
17:53 good point in the broadcast saying that the year Virginia lost in the first round, they went and
17:59 won the national championship. It's possible, huh? Yeah, I mean, they looked apart. Absolutely,
18:06 I totally agree. So yeah, all in all, tough first game. The beauty of that tournament is,
18:12 it was such a loaded field that, you know, it was either Tennessee or Syracuse,
18:17 we were going to have an opportunity to play, and obviously we played Syracuse.
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18:51 All right, so obviously the Syracuse game was next. Loser of Syracuse-Tennessee. So
19:08 interesting matchup. It's a new staff. It's the first time Bayham, I think it was like 42 years
19:16 or something, it was a crazy stat, like since the 70s or some shit like that. I'm not even kidding.
19:22 I was like, when I heard that, I was like, oh my god. And that's not like making fun of me,
19:26 he's old or whatever. It's like, man, that guy coached there forever, ever, ever.
19:29 It's going to be Mark Few in 20 years, right? Yeah, exactly. It's like, holy smokes. Like,
19:34 so, you know, they're trying to create a program. They obviously have a national brand.
19:40 I had a tough year last year, I think they were like 18 and 15. I've got away from the zone,
19:47 which was weird seeing a Syracuse team not run the 2-3 zone, the patented 2-3 zone.
19:54 But I love the way our guys came out and played. Started the game off fantastic.
20:01 Graham was doing his work inside. And Syracuse just looked out of sorts. In the first half,
20:12 Syracuse shot 10 for 35, 28%, 3 of 14 from downtown. So they kind of had the same issue
20:19 that we did. Taking a lot of threes and not making them. And then we were running out and getting
20:24 layups and, you know, moving the basketball. So I was really pleased with our tenacity in
20:31 the second game, especially early. Anton was way better in that first half than he was against
20:40 Purdue. He's more productive, more active. 6-11 for the game at 13 rebounds, 4 offensive, 12 points,
20:46 3 assists. That's the type of games that he needs to have, you know, every single time out. Obviously,
20:53 we're going to talk about his UCLA game was fantastic, but he needs to be more productive
20:58 and active. It's not just scoring the basketball, but energy-wise. And he knows that. And he's a
21:03 senior. And me ranting about it, it doesn't, you know, everybody knows that. But I think he probably
21:09 watched the Purdue tape and probably got the message from the coaches like, "I can't play
21:13 without flying around and doing all those little things that he's so good at." So he really sets
21:19 the tone if he does that too, energy-wise, and helps our guys. You know, he creates just good
21:26 plays, steals, you know what I'm saying, and runouts and tip-ins and good defensive plays.
21:32 Like, all those things matter and they help you get some team confidence and some things of that
21:37 nature. So I was really pleased with how well our guys started that game. We ended up going up 14
21:45 and a half, really controlled the pace. Syracuse made a few small runs to try to get it within,
21:50 you know, seven or eight. And then we would, you know, make a couple threes or just runouts or
21:56 big-time plays. So I was really happy with, you know, the way that our guys responded,
22:01 especially there in that first half. You know, it's tough coming off a loss, but you can always,
22:08 you know, tell how good a team's going to be is how they respond to it. I know that sounds
22:13 cliche, but some teams, you know, sulk or they pull point fingers or, you know, that it'll buy
22:19 into the coaching and our guys don't do that. So it was a fantastic first half. Second half,
22:24 much of the same, we ended up winning 37-32 on the half, plus 19, 76-57 overall, but just
22:32 controlled the pace. There wasn't really much of a threat from Syracuse to come back in that
22:37 basketball game. Judah Mintz for them was fantastic, the little guard, 9 of 14, had 22 points,
22:42 scored the basketball, plays really crazy. It's kind of fun to watch, but it'd be hard to coach.
22:50 And, you know, or be a fan because he takes some wild ones, but he makes them, but some of them
22:54 were like, "Holy cramity." You know what I mean? Like, wow. You know, and then, so, you know,
23:00 like I said, Graham had 16 of 14, 50% from the field, only 27 minutes, that was fantastic. Anton,
23:07 13 rebounds, 12 points, great. Nembhard, a little bit better game, the 5 of 17, he has 4 of 9 in
23:13 the second one, 11 points, 7 assists, much better. Dusty only had a field goal. Nolan Hickman was way
23:22 better, did an excellent job of scoring at 7 of 14, 19 points, 2 rebounds, so much better game
23:29 for him. Still didn't shoot the 3 well, though, for as a totality, 7 of 20, so let's go, that's
23:37 13 for 52 in the last, in two games in a row, yeah, 6 of 3. What is 13 for 52?
23:44 - Oh my gosh, it's...
23:45 - I can't do that math, but it's got to be in the 20s, right?
23:49 - 25%, yeah.
23:50 - Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.
23:53 - Yeah, to put it in perspective, our percentage, well, yeah, our percentage for the year is
23:58 at 30%.
23:59 - Yeah, yeah. You want to be 40 is like the goal as a team, which that's really good.
24:06 If you're in the 35 plus, you can live with it, especially on the volume.
24:11 Obviously, that matters, too, how many you're taking.
24:13 But yeah, the 3-point shooting was a whoa in those first two games, but really pleased
24:23 with the effort. Our guys did an excellent job of responding, like I said. Massive number, too,
24:29 this stat, plus 20 on the glass against Syracuse.
24:33 - Oh, wow.
24:34 - Yeah, so absolutely killed them on the interior and took them to the woodshed.
24:38 17 assists, but a number that was kind of scary, and we saw it a little bit in the Purdue game,
24:44 18 turnovers. We had that same issue, remember last year?
24:48 - Yeah, at the beginning of the season.
24:49 - Beginning of the season, it was like...
24:51 - A constant thing that came up, and then it kind of went away.
24:53 - Yep. They had 14 in the previous game against Purdue, so that's a lot of turnovers. Obviously,
24:58 it's going to be something to keep watching, but it's something that I think
25:02 you can remedy as the year goes by and guys get more comfortable. Again, this is going to be
25:07 something that's new to maybe some Zag fans with the transfer portal and just new faces.
25:12 It takes a little bit of time to get your guys playing on the same page.
25:17 - Yeah.
25:17 - It's not an excuse. Also, our Division I basketball players take care of the basketball.
25:21 That's what probably the message is, too. But 18's obviously too high. If you have 12,
25:26 11, obviously under 10s, you're always your goal, but if you're the 10 and 11s
25:32 and they're all downhill turnovers, you're playing downhill and not bad runout turnovers,
25:40 is basically what I'm trying to say. You can live with some of them.
25:42 That's okay, but really pleased with the effort. The 19-point win, Syracuse would be hard to watch,
25:50 man. It looked like an AU game for them. I'm not kidding, man. This is not a knock. They're
25:56 a proud program, and that coach is going to turn it around. They have great recruiting and
26:01 great brand, but I mean, literally, they've run like five out or four out, and it's like
26:09 contested two, jump shot, and then nobody crashes a glass. It's like watching an AU game.
26:14 It's so hard to win that way, man.
26:16 - Yeah.
26:16 - They had a guy go Chris Bell, 2 of 18, 1 for 10. They just didn't obviously shoot the ball,
26:22 but some of them were just contested shots or hard shots to make. Nothing was easy, and that's
26:29 testament to our guy's defense, but that would be hard to watch every single night and then try to
26:38 coach those kids the right way through it. Obviously, it's new, but if they're receptive
26:44 to not playing that style of basketball, because it's hard to win that way, man. Everything's
26:48 contested, and if you don't make shots, you don't win. Even if you make shots, you're going to make
26:54 tough shots consistently. Just the law averages is not going to be on your side. So yeah, we get
27:01 into the championship game, and what do you know? It's UCLA. It's like we've played them four years
27:08 in a row now, I think, or three.
27:09 - Something like that.
27:10 - Yeah. I think it's three or four times. We've beat them the last four times, but I think we've
27:16 played them three years in a row. I think that's the one. Anyway, nobody even thought we were going
27:22 to play them because we were hoping they beat Marquette and somehow we'd play Marquette. That'd
27:26 be another good matchup.
27:27 - That would've been a great matchup, yeah.
27:28 - But just to have... Just because we've played them, it's not even to have to do with my stuff.
27:34 It's like, remember we played them in Vegas two years ago, and there was that mini-on-court thing
27:39 with Mick Cronin and his staff with a couple of our guys. And then, obviously, the Jalen Suggs deal,
27:48 and then that, and then last year. So it's just like we're sick of playing them, and they're
27:53 probably sick of playing us. Not just because they lose, because it turns into a rock fight.
27:58 We're just beating the crap out of each other. So going into that game, everybody's like, "Oh my
28:03 God." And it's so weird. At this tournament, I get why they do it for the TV slots, and it's a hard...
28:09 It's a weird TV slot day because it's the day before Thanksgiving, so you're kind of competing
28:14 with some stuff. We had to play that seven. We were the fifth, sixth place game. We had to play
28:18 the very last game of the night. So it was really weird doing that. Came on at nine o'clock back
28:25 home, and then like, whatever, 12th Eastern. So I'm like, "Well, nobody's watching this."
28:29 You know, so you're like, it's just a weird... But if you're ESPN or whoever did it for the
28:35 television side, they're probably happy because it's like, "Well, we got two West Coast teams,
28:39 and we can do the same storyline that we've done for the last six years or whatever."
28:45 For sure, yeah.
28:46 So yeah, it was funny because I know their radio guys, and I've seen their SID and stuff.
28:54 And they're just like, "Hey, man." It's just like, kind of both of us, like, "Here we go again."
28:59 You know, it's like, "Good to see you." But it's just like, I think we're tired of playing each
29:02 other. I think it's...
29:03 Well, they're definitely tired of playing us.
29:07 Well, I think there's... I think from what I heard, that was, there was supposed to be
29:12 a game that we play somewhere down there next year, like we restart a neutral site series
29:18 or something like that. And I think that might be off the table now. I don't know that for sure,
29:23 but I wouldn't be surprised if both clubs are like, just mutually be like, "Yeah,
29:26 let's not play each other. Let's figure this out."
29:29 So anyway, we get into that game. They have a totally different lineup
29:35 than years before. Missing Jaquez, Tiger Campbell, the other kid that was,
29:41 Juzang, but that was two years ago. So like, it was the UCLA rivalry, but it was like,
29:47 only Anton, Nolan, because Bona didn't play against us last year. They're a great inside guy.
29:57 So like, Huddy had the stat. It was like three, only three guys total, or maybe four from both
30:04 teams scored a basket or played any meaningful minutes in the last year's game. So it was kind
30:09 of like two new teams in theory, right? Totally, yeah. So that part was kind of funny. It was like,
30:14 it's a huge rivalry, but they've never played against each other. You know what I'm saying?
30:18 That's what, I mean, we're not natural rivals. We're only rivals because we've played each other
30:22 so much. Like, the rivalry does not make sense. Like, it doesn't, it wouldn't make sense,
30:26 I think. No, I agree. So we knew going into that game, it was going to be a fistfight. We know
30:33 that Cronin likes to call a lot of sets. They don't play with a lot of flow. Very good defensive
30:38 team. They're always tough. He's a good coach. He likes to get on his guys and they get after it.
30:46 So you know going in, it's going to be a physical battle. You're going to have to
30:49 defensively get through some of your secondary actions and your pressure releases. And then
30:57 on the other end, defensively, you're going to have to play them for, you know,
31:01 25 seconds on the shot clock. Like, you have to play through the whole deal.
31:05 So starting that game, I was really pleased with our attention to detail defensively,
31:12 our ability to play at our pace. We were playing faster and that you have to do it against them.
31:20 You have to really push the pace. And then Anton had the half of his life and then ended up being
31:27 the game of his life in the Gonzaga uniform. It was absolutely fantastic. In 29 minutes,
31:32 he ends up going 14 for 15. 3-3 from downtown, only goes 1 for 4 from free throws. That's fine.
31:39 7 assists, drew 8 fouls, 32 points, 2 assists, 2 steals, 1 block. Just couldn't miss and really
31:48 carried us in that, especially that first half. We didn't really have like a great flow. Graham
31:53 was 0 for 6 totality in the game, but didn't play a good first half, obviously. But Anton just got
32:00 hot and I think it kind of surprised him. They knew he was a good player, but they probably
32:03 didn't think he could get a 30-piece like that. But it's a 30-piece with such high efficiency,
32:10 you know, field goal percentage-wise. So really pleased how he played the game.
32:16 And he started, like I said, really carried us. We go up 4 at half and it was one of those kind
32:25 of like the Purdue deal. Like, shoot, I think we could be up 10 or 12, you know what I mean?
32:30 But that's the product of a well-coached team and a well-coached strategy and tough players
32:38 that UCLA has. They're going to fight and claw and they can get back into basketball games.
32:42 They can muck it up a little bit and then slow it down and get you out of your rhythm and then make
32:47 little 4-6-0 runs. And then you look up, you're like, "Oh, shoot, we're only up 7. Oh, shoot,
32:51 we're only up 4," you know what I mean? When you feel like you've controlled the game
32:54 for that first half in totality, like, man, we could be up 15. But like I said, that's what
33:00 good teams do. So up 4, Anton's really carrying us. We did a great job in the first half against
33:08 Adem. Is it Adam with an E? Is that how you say Adem?
33:12 - Adem, yeah.
33:12 - Yeah, Adem. Bona, who's a fantastic player, sophomore, huge physical presence inside.
33:18 Got him in foul trouble, got him off the floor. We had a good defensive package against him. We
33:23 kind of swarmed a little bit. We didn't full double-team the whole time, but I like swarming
33:29 and then rotating out and contesting shots, making it really difficult for him inside.
33:36 So I thought that was a great strategy, and it was executed perfectly, because that's,
33:43 you know, on the radio broadcast, that's why I said one of the keys of the game is you can't let
33:47 him play well, because he was like a, I think he was a 19 and 8 type of guy, but could get 30 and
33:54 15 type of player. He reminded me of, it's a big Kentucky kid that we played. I can't remember his
34:03 name, but he had the same body type and same deal where he could really punish you inside. It was a
34:11 Kentucky kid last year. - I'm trying to think.
34:15 - Shibwe. - Shibwe, yeah.
34:16 - Oscar Shibwe. He's exactly like that. Like, that's what he felt like, where just body type,
34:20 power around the rim, foul pressure, all those things. Double-teaming where you can really
34:28 disorganize your defense if you don't do a good job on them and stay in front and then wall up
34:33 and make tough, contested jump hooks over the top of you instead of angle layups or dunks.
34:38 So I was really pleased with that, and then that second half just really got into,
34:42 you know, a good back-and-forth game. It was a little bit sluggish. There were so many whistles.
34:48 Let me see the foul. There was 51 fouls called. - I was going to ask about that. Well, there was
34:52 a ton called in the first half. - There was a ton, and to be honest, I think
34:58 the refs probably got like a B, B or B minus, so it wasn't completely terrible. Because they were
35:05 calling some random ones, but also that's the game that's kind of how UCLA plays, and that's not like
35:11 a knock. It's their style, though. They play really physical. They push you around, and
35:16 eventually, sometimes, the refs don't call it, and if they're used to that style,
35:21 they'll just let you play that way, and it makes it really difficult for teams to function.
35:24 And then obviously, we were probably doing the same thing on the other end. Just some of the
35:30 random ones were weird, though, like on box outs. It's like, dude, we've been fighting the whole
35:35 game, and then all of a sudden, you want to call this. You know what I'm saying? Like, let both
35:38 guys battle for it unless it's completely obvious. Like that stuff, I think you got to let go,
35:44 because it just disrupts the flow of the game. There's a lot of stoppages. So, you know, we
35:49 really couldn't flow offensively. Like I said, Anton goes 14 of 15, carried us again in the
35:55 second half. Nemhard struggled again. Three of 12. 12 points, four assists, five turnovers. Dusty
36:05 scored, didn't make a field goal. 0 for 5, 0 for 3 from downtown. Nolan played a little bit better,
36:14 4-9, 11 points. But obviously, it's Nemhard, Watson, and Hickman are the only three guys
36:21 in double figures. But hey, that's how it's got to be sometimes. And that's not a knock on anybody.
36:26 Sometimes that's how the game goes. Braden didn't get much burned. Six minutes. Ben
36:32 Gregg played all right. Made a big free throw down the stretch. 17 minutes. June actually made
36:40 a good play early in that first half. Then he knocked down a three. I was happy for the kid
36:44 to have something go right for him, so then maybe he can get some more minutes. You could see the
36:49 weight lifted off his shoulders. There was a play in the first half where he rotated at the rim
36:54 and did a vertical contest. And it was a good play. It was the right play. And then he came
36:58 down and knocked down the three the very next sequence. So you could see how happy the bench
37:03 was. And it's just nice, because then you kind of get that out of the way. You can be like,
37:06 "All right, I can play." But defensively on our side, we did an excellent job. Bona only had 11.
37:13 Talked about how dynamic he was. Only played 21 minutes. Got him in foul trouble. Dylan Andrews
37:19 for them really struggled. 2 of 15. Only had 5. Stefanovich played okay. Had 16 on 5 of 11. And
37:25 then Mack, their other guard, 4 of 10. Had 16. But for the most part, we played excellent defense.
37:32 Again, shooting wasn't great. 6 of 16 from downtown. 37 percent. Not terrible. But we only
37:39 shoot 43 percent for the game. And on the flip side, UCLA shoots 35 percent. So all in all,
37:50 another good win. I think UCLA is going to end up being a top 25 team. They'll figure it out.
37:55 And they'll make the NCAA tournament. So it's going to be a good win for us is what I'm saying.
37:59 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's going to be a resume-type win. So yeah, I thought it was a great
38:06 tournament. Like I said, you want to beat Purdue and have a chance to play Kansas or Tennessee,
38:10 but tough matchup. Purdue ends up winning it. There was a really good Kansas-Marquette game
38:17 that was fun to watch there. But I thought all in all, we kind of find out what our guys can do.
38:23 I know it's still early, but obviously shooting might be an issue for us. Maybe we get it
38:29 together. We string something together. And that's not the end of the world.
38:33 But if we want to be fair, this team is way, way more tougher defensively than we were last year.
38:39 That's true. It's not even close. Grittier, rotating hard, a team want to on the glass,
38:46 diving on the floor, all that stuff. We weren't soft last year, but we had Drew's FDS. I'm going
38:52 to go down and score 25. Julian, same thing. I was the same way when I was like, "I don't want
38:57 to dive on the floor." I got to go score 30 on the other end to win. And that's what Drew was
39:03 saying and Julian. So it's not a complete, just being lazy. It's like, "Well, I'm on the floor
39:09 for 38 minutes. I got to manage my way through this game." But we have guys that are willing
39:16 to rebound. We were only minus, or actually plus two against UCLA, which is a tough-dosed rebounding
39:22 team. They were, I think, plus six on the season. So that was a huge win for us on the glass.
39:27 Yeah. I mean, free throw shooting wasn't great. 17 and 29, that's going to improve.
39:34 But all in all, I thought it was a great tournament. Anton, I think, was the MVP overall.
39:40 I mean, he had two good games. Not a great Purdue game, but two good games in a row.
39:45 One really fantastic one. Solid. But if you were coming back from that and you were
39:52 coaching the team, what would you focus on working on? Obviously, easy answer is shooting,
40:00 but that's an individual thing. So you'll do it in practice. That's no question.
40:04 But maybe try to figure out finding better ways to get easier shots.
40:11 And that's kind of a process thing, and that's kind of a...
40:13 How do I say this? You're at the Division I level, you're going to make a shot.
40:18 And our guys will. It was a three-day tournament in a row that wasn't a great shooter's gym. No
40:25 team shot good. So I really think some of that, what we discussed earlier, was part of that.
40:29 I was going to ask, very few times in NCAA players' careers, they play three games in a row.
40:38 Yeah, it never happens.
40:40 You just gassed after the third?
40:42 Yeah, I remember when we played, I was...
40:45 Well, we played a triple overtime against Michigan State and won that game. But
40:50 hydration's a real thing. When we went over there, we weren't allowed. Well, we were not allowed,
40:59 but it was highly encouraged not to be out on the beach the day of the game or the day before.
41:03 I mean, even if you're maybe an hour and that's it. You can get sun-beached,
41:10 and then you're walking on the sand and you lose your legs and stuff like that.
41:13 So that's a real thing. I think it's easy to fall into like, "Oh, we're in Hawaii. It's so nice,"
41:20 which it is. So yeah, I think that has something to do with it. And you'll never play three games
41:27 in a row or even two anymore in any tournament. Oh, the West Coast Conference, you will. Excuse
41:33 me. But the NCAA tournament doesn't do that. So these tournaments are obviously good for preparing
41:39 short scouts for your staff and your team. And we obviously show we can execute a game plan.
41:45 I think Dusty has looked good at times. He's got to score the basketball more, which he will.
41:52 But defensively, he's been fantastic, especially for a freshman and on the glass. He's super
41:56 athletic. I really like his game. I think the offense will come. I thought Graham looked good
42:01 in stretches. I think Braden looked good in stretches. I think he needs to play more. That's
42:07 just my personal opinion. He'll fit. The Phewey and the staff will get him more minutes, but he
42:11 can't play six minutes at UCLA game. There must have been a reason why. But he's too skilled.
42:15 He'll play more. The minutes played, like Nimhard, Stromer, Hickman, 40-40.
42:22 Yeah. I know. They played the whole game, obviously.
42:25 I mean, Phewey likes solid guards. He's obviously not going to put Luca in there yet. He's not going
42:36 to put June in there yet in that position. And then he's probably not going to—you know, that's it.
42:40 And then there's no steal. So it would have been steal, and then Dusty would have split those
42:45 minutes with maybe those other three counting steal. So that's where it gets kind of wonky
42:52 if you're looking at the minutes. And fans—I've had people ask me, "Do you need depth?" And I'm
42:57 like, "Yeah, you do, but it's not as important as you think, but it's also nice to have."
43:02 That makes sense. So yeah, overall I was impressed. Not just because we won two games. It's how we
43:08 battle against Purdue, and I really mean that. Much better game plan. They're obviously
43:14 beatable. Everybody is, but they're a team that you can get. But the game plan was way better,
43:22 and the focus was way better than it was last year. And then the Syracuse bounce-back game
43:27 was good. It was a get-right game. And then UCLA. I mean, that's always going to be a hard-nosed team.
43:34 Mick Cronin, man, he chews those kids out of the sideline, man.
43:40 I was going to add, but are you close to the—
43:42 I'm a lacrosse, so I could see—I have a perfect view of it. I'm not going to—yeah, I'm not—I
43:51 can't hear what he's saying, but I know he's getting on his guys, but that's how he coaches,
43:56 and they obviously get good players to go there. And I'm not going to kill his style because he
44:00 wins, but holy smokes, man. Some of those are like—
44:05 There was a time—
44:06 There was some F—
44:07 Yeah, they just had the camera right on him, and he was just like chewing out one of the players.
44:10 There's F-ball, and it's not like yelling. It's yelling and F-U, M-F-U. It's, in Europe,
44:19 a soft person, but the slang word for that, inappropriate one, you know what I'm saying?
44:25 We got good sponsors. We've had them in the past, but we're not going to cuss as much, so
44:29 you know what I'm saying? But yeah, so anyway, great tournament. It was fantastic. Obviously,
44:37 for me personally, I took my two youngest kids there. We had a blast
44:40 sitting on the beach and all that stuff. It's fun, man. I love going there. And again, hats off to
44:46 everybody getting that accomplished because after the Lahaina stuff, it was dicey, and it's one of
44:54 those deals where you don't want to—nobody's going to be like, "We need to still play basketball."
44:59 It's like, "Hey, man, what do we want to—what do we do here?" And whatever you guys think is—
45:02 you know what I'm saying? You're in that position where you obviously want to go,
45:06 and you want to support, but if just going over there, offensive as well, you know what I'm saying?
45:11 Yeah, for sure.
45:12 People just died and then lose their whole everything, and then you're just like, "Hey,
45:16 can we just play basketball and go chill on the beach?" You know what I'm saying? So you have to
45:20 make sure that your attitude's the right way.
45:23 I think one of the reasons why they couldn't even move it in Maui is because I think all the—I
45:28 mean, the place they usually play it is currently being used by first responders, and then I think
45:35 the other place in Maui is also being taken over. So there's this—you couldn't do it in Maui this
45:41 year. It'll be back there.
45:43 Yeah, good job, though, by the tournament. And again, I think it was very positive for us.
45:52 I think we'll continue to get better. Three-point shooting is obviously—it's going to be a
45:58 question mark, and we've got to watch it as the season progresses, and there's not a quick fix
46:03 to it. It's just guys got to step up and make shots. I say it all the time on the air. You've
46:08 probably heard me—I've probably said it in one of these episodes. There was an NBA term, and they
46:12 still say it's a make-or-miss league. What it is is every team and every coach is pretty good at
46:18 running actions, and everybody runs kind of the same stuff. You get the wide-open shot, you look
46:23 really good as a coach if they go in. If they don't, "This guy sucks. Why does this team suck?"
46:26 It's just make-or-miss. You know what I'm saying? And I think, especially that Purdue game, if you
46:31 watch the tapes, like, "OK, guys, those are pretty good shots," and they just didn't go down.
46:36 Yeah, and you make three of those that we missed. It's a one-point game.
46:41 Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
46:43 I didn't feel—I, as a fan, I did not feel upset about losing that game. They looked gassed. They
46:49 couldn't find the threes, and that's just going to happen sometimes. And it's better to happen now
46:54 than in March.
46:56 Exactly. We don't want that to happen in March. Do we got a listener question?
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47:33 So you're heading down to Vegas this week for USC.
47:36 Yes. Should be fantastic. Vegas is great for Gonzaga. We've had, obviously, the tournament
47:45 there, and it's great for people to—quick trip and all that stuff, and Vegas is fun. I think
47:50 USC is a great team. Ken Palm ranking is 33, so just outside the top 25. If you get a quad one
47:58 win—I think it's quad one is top 50 or something like that. I'll explain that one of these episodes
48:04 before the NCAA tournament, but I'll get really dialed in for people to understand. But the Ken
48:08 Palm is like the old RPI, so 33 is good. So if you win that game, it's going to help you no matter
48:15 what, even if they're outside the top 25. They've had a good win against Kansas State. They're
48:20 playing Bakersfield, who we play tonight. I'm not even going to talk about them. They're not very
48:23 good. Brown and Seton Hall have lost to UC Irvine. That's a bad loss in their eyes, and then Oklahoma,
48:29 you can flip a coin. Yeah, Oklahoma just got in the top 25 in the AP poll, so they're a good team.
48:36 I guess there's not really much to talk about in this game. I think what everybody wanted to talk
48:42 about in this game is Bronny James. The news from that camp is that he's now practicing with the
48:49 team. He's in warm-ups. There's no news if he's going to play against Kansas. I doubt it. I doubt
48:56 it. And here's what I would say about that, too. Obviously, he comes from a good family and smart
49:03 people and people around him. There is literally zero rush for this kid to get back. Why? Just
49:11 give the context to the listeners. You didn't know. He had a heart attack, wasn't it? He had a
49:16 heart issue. Yeah, no, it was a heart attack. He had a heart attack. Now, if I'm not completely
49:21 right, but it was a heart issue during a workout where he, I think, was administrating CPR.
49:26 Obviously, that's scary. He's a healthy kid, but then you find out quickly how healthy you are.
49:33 You didn't maybe do an echo check, echo test. I think every major program does it now because
49:42 it's just liability-wise. But that's just a scary proposition. Position of where your family is or
49:52 not, that's still scary. Even if his dad wasn't LeBron James and his dad wasn't worth a billion
49:57 dollars and he's going to have a great life, you know what I mean? Your health matters. So sit out
50:03 a year. I wouldn't be surprised if he waits. He's going to have every opportunity to play in the
50:08 NBA. He's good enough, I think, right now from what I've seen. I know it sounds funny in high
50:15 school, but body movement and style of play, it's like, "Okay, he can play in the NBA just off that
50:22 and not right away, but he's on the right path," is what I'm trying to say. So it would have been
50:29 cool to see him play, obviously, because I've kind of watched him from afar and he seems like a really
50:33 nice kid and a good player. But unfortunately, he's not, I assume. But this is still a really
50:43 good tournament for a non-conference game for us and Vegas is always fun. So we do that Saturday
50:50 and then we'll come on back. So we've obviously played Bakersfield tonight. It's going to be aired
50:57 later on the podcast, so I'm not even going to talk about it. They're not very good. So we'll
51:02 recap the USC game and look ahead towards the UW game. And then UW in Hec Ed. That'll be fun.
51:12 We rarely play there. It's been a while since we played there. It's kind of cool, like I've
51:19 talked about in the past, that they've brought this rivalry back. It's good for both programs,
51:22 good for the state. Yes, we do have a couple of listener questions. The first one is,
51:27 and I'm glad you wore the hat today, is where'd you get that hat? We've had like five messages.
51:31 Yeah, I get it. People ask me all the time. I got it at the bookstore. Oh, yeah. And it's a 47 brand.
51:38 Yeah. So I've told people like 47 brand, go on the line and people mess back like I can't find it.
51:43 Did you buy it this year? I'm probably going to go back to the bookstore and buy like two more
51:48 just to have. I used to have one that was like, you know the USA basketball, that USA basketball
51:54 symbol? It said Zags and then like Gonzaga under it. Yeah. And it was awesome hat, but I'd never,
51:59 I can never find it again. And it looked like that. Yeah. And I was like, why didn't I buy two
52:03 of them? You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to put one away. Put one away. So, but I'm not
52:09 even joking. Like I had somebody yesterday just walking randomly down a hallway at a high school
52:13 game. He's like, where'd you get that hat? You know, he's like, stop me. I wasn't wearing it.
52:16 He's like, where did you get your hat? I've had like five, 10 people, same thing. Wow. Random.
52:22 Hey man, really big fan dot, dot, dot. Where'd you get your hat? 47 brand man. Right. Yeah.
52:29 That's awesome. The other, I mean, the only other listener question I have was,
52:33 how much do you watch the NBA? And like, are you watching Chet Holgengren?
52:37 I keep up with it. I don't watch it religiously and it's kind of sad now. Everything's a highlight
52:43 deal. So like you can feel like you're still in it and just maybe it's positive, but you consume it
52:50 and watch like 30 seconds. And I think that's a problem is, you know, I'm not trying to turn
52:55 this around, but a problem for a lot of young basketball players are like, Oh, I watch hoops.
52:58 Like, but did you watch just the highlights or did you watch the whole game? Right. You know
53:01 what I'm saying? But yeah. So I've been following him. He's playing, playing fantastic. I predicted
53:05 that. I've said that to people too, last year, like when he got hurt, I was like, this actually
53:10 might be a blessing in disguise. He gets one year to work on his body. He has put on weight and I
53:15 know people laugh when you say that, but like, if you just look at his face and his shoulders, like
53:20 you look, he looks like he's put on like 10, 15 pounds. Good for him. You know what I'm saying?
53:24 That's that's a, with his body type, that's as big as he's going to get, or maybe a little bit
53:29 bigger, but like, it's just his body type. He was always tough. He was an excellent shot maker.
53:36 So like at that level, like those things really matter. It's perfect. And he's playing with an
53:42 all-star SGA, that giddy kid, but I don't want to talk about him with all that weird stuff that
53:49 was going on. But to have a good team is what I'm trying to say. And him being like the third option
53:56 is unbelievable. Like perfect. Like he, I think he's at 50, 40, 90 pace right now. So 50% field
54:02 goal, 40%, 3, 90 from the free throw line. Only a few guys, Larry Birdstone, I think Steve Nash
54:09 has done it. I know Steph Curry's done it. It's like, I think Durant did it maybe or been close.
54:13 That's like the benchmark of a really good, especially if you're shooting volume,
54:17 or a shooter, you shoot over 50%, 40 from three and then 90 from the line.
54:21 He's trending at that right now. So he's had a fantastic year, man. And like I said, the reason
54:28 I say I predicted that, some people were like, "Is he going to go and score 25?" I'm like,
54:33 "No, he's not." And that's, you got to, and then wait for the end of my response. Like,
54:38 he's going to be like in a spot, if he goes to like Oklahoma City, where he's the third option,
54:42 and he gets the space, the floor, and like cut and all that stuff, like, he'll get you 18 a night,
54:47 16-18 his rookie year, it'd be completely fine and help that team win. And then he'll have 38
54:53 like he did against Golden State and made that three, you know what I'm saying? But like,
54:56 having a fantastic season. - Yeah, it's fun to watch. And it's true,
55:00 though. It is like very much a highlight. I've watched a couple of NBA, like parts of NBA games.
55:05 - Yeah, but it's hard to sit through. - It's hard to sit through. Even my son,
55:08 like my son loves NBA and loves watching it, like the clips. And then we sat down and watched a game
55:13 the other night. He's like, "Dad, these guys don't play defense." He's like, "It was just funny to
55:20 get like an eight-year-old's perspective on NBA basketball." - Yeah, no, I watch just enough to
55:26 keep up. But I think probably like everybody, besides American football, is you tune in,
55:34 but then playoffs when you watch full games. - Yeah, exactly.
55:36 - That's how I am with pretty much every sport. So yeah, good episode. Thanks for helping out.
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55:52 and HDG Architecture. Join us again next week. Like I said, we'll recap USC.
55:58 Then we'll talk about the upcoming schedule against UW and UConn and some of the meat of
56:04 our non-conference fun games coming up. But thanks for tuning in. Thanks for listening.
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