• last year
A little over a year ago, one of my good friends, Jean Hew, told me that she have been watching this very interesting expat who's posting about his life on YouTube and he happens to be showcasing some houses around my area. Which means, he lives just nearby!

I checked out his videos and his voice is angelic, it's super calming like Frederic Chopin's Andante Cantabile. I emailed him, and introduced myself, the formal and traditional way, as he's not very active on Instagram back then and we quickly became good friends, and neighbors since he just lives across the street.

In this episode of In The Spotlight, I'm truly honored to be featuring my very good friend Andrew Taylor ( @andrewtaylor4558 ) to share with us his story and experiences of navigating and living in Malaysia as an American Expat, and how social media, particularly YouTube, have changed his life for the better. Do check out his YouTube Channel too. It's super interesting. I bet you'll be hooked!

Be sure to like, comment, and most importantly share if you find this podcast useful. Thank you very much and advance and Enjoy the Show!

00:00 Intro
00:47 About @andrewtaylor4558
01:25 Anchor Point
02:05 Angelic Voice
02:34 How Did You Get Started?
04:20 What Inspired You?
05:28 How Did Andrew Taylor and Ray Mak became Friends?
08:55 VESPA and How Do You Get Around?
11:10 Is This Something That You've Always Been Passionate About?
13:24 Recording and Video Editing Process
14:32 Challenges of Being A Content Creator
19:12 Turning Point, Viral Moment
23:44 Income and Sponsorships
26:38 Burnouts and Stresses
28:14 Words Of Wisdom

About In The Spotlight

I have been a content creator for almost two decades now as I've had the privilege to have started when all these platforms started. Over the years, I've made many great friends and have also enjoyed the many blessings from the Internet.

In The Spotlight is a Platform where my amazing content creators friends share their precious experiences so we can all learn together as well. I really hope you like it too.

Last but not least, special thanks to my good friend @KevinChanBazi ( http://www.youtube.com/kevinchanbazi ) for being the catalyst, push, idea and brains behind In The Spotlight.

PS : Special thanks to Jean Hew for showing me Andrew Taylor's videos.

This podcast was recorded with the amazing new BOYALINK - All-In-One Design Wireless Microphone System from @BOYA-mic . They are so sleek and easy to use!

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Transcript
00:00 recent thing that I think I was afraid to mention or talk about is that I don't
00:05 really like Nasi Lemak. I went through a really painful breakup this year and it
00:12 was really hard to go on and keep producing content.
00:16 Hey! Hi! Hi! Welcome to another episode of In the Spotlight.
00:24 So In the Spotlight is actually a podcast or a platform that I've created recently
00:30 and a lot of my friends are actually content creators. So I showcase my
00:34 friends and I learn from them what they do and I get to learn more about them
00:40 basically. So yeah that's why I really like to do this and moving forward I
00:45 hope to get more of my friends to come in and today we have Andrew Taylor from
00:52 US. Today I'm going to showcase Chinese Malaysian cuisine and other Malaysian
00:58 cuisines too and explain why they confuse me so much. Sound interesting?
01:03 Stay tuned! Well today I have a rather somber topic to talk about. What happens
01:10 if you die outside your home country? It can be scary and you should be prepared.
01:15 Sound interesting? Stay tuned! Hi everyone I'm Taylor. I'm a Florida boy born and
01:22 raised there. I love Florida. Hi everybody it's Taylor. Welcome or welcome back to
01:28 my channel. I'm an American expat living in Malaysia and I like to share my life
01:32 and travels with you. That's how I always start my videos. I love that because it
01:38 really reminds me like every time I watch your video it's like an anchor
01:42 point. I think people find it comforting to have that have it the same. I've
01:48 asked people because I've thought oh maybe I should mix it up change it and
01:52 people like that that consistency and they like to see it you know the
01:58 same. It's just like I say it's like comforting to them. Yeah exactly I find
02:03 it really comforting as well. To me your voice is really unique so that's why it
02:10 it really keeps us drawn in you know whenever we watch your videos. I'll be
02:14 like thank you even even if I'm not watching like visually I would just put
02:20 it on my car and I'll be driving and I can I can see like visually in my mind. A
02:26 lot of my viewers say my voice is very relaxing. It is it is it's crazy. So I
02:34 remember I went through your YouTube channel and I go all the way down it was
02:39 like just some random stuff. So how did you get started? It was just pure boredom
02:46 on my part. I didn't I had moved to KL. I didn't have a lot of friends. I didn't
02:51 know what I was doing so I thought well I'll just start a YouTube channel. What
02:55 could hurt? I thought it would take you know years to get going but it didn't
03:00 and that's that was sort of shocking but rewarding because I don't know if I
03:04 would have hung with it for a long time like people have to do sometimes like
03:09 for over a year to get monetized or anything you know but mine took off so
03:15 yeah because I remember when I was first looking at your content the first one
03:22 was like in the cruise. I was like oh wow that is very amazing. It's like some it's
03:29 just a simple cruise video where you're watching some performance. What was
03:33 interesting is that it did become fairly successful very quickly and then I
03:38 was desperate for content you know and like everyone would be because you need
03:43 to get more stuff out there and so I just went through my old pictures of
03:47 vacations and made it like I had just gone on those vacations even though it
03:51 was like three years ago or something but but the information was timeless and
03:56 it didn't matter that it was old and it helped me fill in some slots. Yeah yeah
04:02 to me I feel the same. I have a lot of like college videos where I just bring
04:07 it back in and then it's really a lot easier like all this software is that
04:12 that makes it seamless for us to just edit the old videos and put it up and
04:17 it's timeless. It's timeless. Yeah. So is there anything that like inspired you to
04:25 start and then continue doing it? Well I don't think I knew what niche I was
04:33 going to be in really except like you said the first one I did was about a
04:38 cruise but then I think like the second or third was about retiring to Malaysia
04:43 and those were the ones that took off so I knew that was where I had to focus you
04:48 know and that it's been great. I can get off track from that now because I have a
04:54 following that is interested in just my life and stuff but and it's impossible
04:59 to talk about retirement every video. True true true. I mean that's that's actually
05:06 there's a lot of topics that we can talk about when it comes to retirement but I
05:10 mean it would be nice for people to get to know more about you when you talk
05:15 about like all the different aspects of things right? Yeah it's just a difference
05:21 of living in KL because I was in Penang for seven years and then moved to KL.
05:27 Maybe you can tell our audience how did we meet? Well I got an email from
05:35 Raymond he had discovered my channel somehow and I got a couple of other
05:41 youtubers that found me right away and contacted me and it was so nice and it
05:48 gave me such encouragement to have I mean someone like you with so many so
05:53 many subscribers that would be interested in little old me and then
05:58 what was funny is it turned out we lived like one block from each other. Yeah I know.
06:02 So and in KL that's like really weird you know because normally you could meet
06:10 somebody and they live like 45 minutes away but you know we just practically
06:14 live across the street from each other so we got together and we've been really
06:19 good friends ever since. Yeah so to me from my end what happened was I was
06:25 like going through like different videos and then one of my friends told me that
06:29 "Hey have you seen this guy? I always seen him around your neighborhood."
06:35 I'm like "Oh I'm interested let me go see." Oh that I like immediately I'm hooked
06:40 maybe because of your voice that is like really calming and I'm like wow I've
06:45 never seen someone talk about my neighborhood in such like passion and I
06:52 remember you were talking there are some videos you were talking about some very
06:55 nice mansions oh and there are some videos that you also talk about some
07:01 house that were abandoned and they became like ghost house so I'm like wow
07:04 it's like a totally different energy so I really become I'm drawn in to try to
07:12 get to know you and I try to look at like all the different sources where I
07:16 can talk to you and during that time you were not very active on Instagram and I
07:22 am still not yeah I mean now you at least you will check your inbox or
07:28 something yeah oh that's right at first yeah at first I don't know I had set up
07:34 my I made a special email for my channel and I had set it up incorrectly so I
07:40 thought I was checking it and I thought no I'm not getting any email and it went
07:46 like two months and I'm like why is no one emailing me somebody surely must
07:52 have and then a friend of mine looked at it and said you're not even signed in to
07:57 your email account so I got I got signed in and I had this avalanche of emails
08:05 and I had to go through and write everybody and apologize that I hadn't
08:10 gotten back to them and stuff you know but now now I'm pretty pretty on top of
08:16 those I get a fair number of emails but I try to respond to all of them yeah
08:23 then then I feel really lucky to be like some like among all the the emails that
08:30 you get you saw my famous oh no don't say that I'm like wow you saw my email
08:39 and then we we connected and went out yeah I still remember you were talking
08:43 about like the fluffiest roti canai which is just up the street yeah it's
08:49 just outside our house well I just like I said I was always just searching for
08:54 content and it's funny because a lot of the my viewers who come to visit KL and
08:59 then they try to sort of see where I was filming and the places I was filming and
09:06 they all and a couple of them have said oh my god it's all just within one
09:10 kilometer of your house I said yeah I'm not actually just going all over KL
09:15 doing filming you know it's I'm keeping it close to home because it's easy for
09:19 me yeah and and you go around in your like is that like a scooter the best but
09:24 you know Vespa a West Park yeah so I'm like wow yeah that's sort of different
09:30 for someone my age I guess but and that's still going fine I don't feel any
09:34 need to get rid of my Vespa I certainly don't want to drive here it's so much
09:39 easier to get around on the true true yeah around the bike is a lot easier so
09:44 that's that's why when when you're on a West Park it's very easy I mean you
09:49 would definitely film something that is around the area because West by you
09:52 wouldn't like go to like for example all the way to Subang well I wouldn't know
09:56 how to get there for one thing but I I mean I would like to do more somewhere
10:02 but I don't know how to get there and it's I don't like to take my motorcycle
10:07 on the two far on the highway I only went once on that road that goes straight
10:12 from here to KLCC and I didn't like it yeah traffic was going too fast yeah so
10:21 usually when you are to travel a bit further you use grab yeah yeah like when
10:27 I filmed at publica it's a grab there yeah and I did dumb and sorrow Heights
10:33 someone actually drove me there but it's funny there's still plenty of stuff
10:38 nearby I mean when I found out about UK Heights which is just right behind where
10:44 I live and it is the most charming neighborhood and I got a really good
10:48 video out of that and I only found it because some friends of mine were
10:51 staying there yes you guys for information is actually quite near here
10:55 as well it's located at the back it's like a mountainous area where there's a
11:00 lot of very cozy old houses very posh yeah very posh yeah it's old and posh
11:09 whatever that you're doing right now is it something that you have always been
11:14 very passionate about like like all this technology and all this like video you
11:20 know well it's interesting because I think a lot of people would be
11:23 surprised that someone my age I believe 70 and in March I'm fairly good with
11:29 technology but I'm very very good well it's because I worked in an office as an
11:36 office manager for 10 years from 1990 to 2000 so that was like computers were
11:45 going crazy then and I took you know I learned a lot my employer sent me to a
11:51 lot of computer training classes and stuff and so that really helped and then
11:55 we did newsletters and so I was I'm I was just used to working on a computer
12:02 and manipulating stuff so and frankly the software is so easy now you know I
12:08 started with iMovie but I quickly switched to CapCut but which is I think
12:13 a little bit easier yeah so that's why because I noticed a lot of people who
12:20 are above like even above 50 they find it very hard to like cope with things
12:26 like technology because for the past few decades things has been moving so fast
12:32 like I I personally have seen tapes have you guys seen tapes you know cassette
12:38 tapes and then I've seen it change to CD and DVD Blu-ray and you know yeah and
12:45 you have you have even seen more than like even before tapes you know so so
12:49 yeah yeah I don't know it's I try to keep up but I find that anytime I don't
12:57 know how to do something I can just Google it and there'll be a YouTube
13:01 video about how to do it you know exactly and that makes it so easy I don't
13:07 know I mean I've learned a lot though and now I've got now I get sort of
13:11 critical when I watch other people's videos and I'll say that why aren't you
13:16 cutting this why why isn't that why is this part so long nobody wants to see
13:20 you walk down this entire hallway you know exactly so so you when you are
13:25 cutting your videos you even know the psychology behind the people who are
13:30 watching your videos like what what do you think they would like what do you
13:33 think they don't like I don't think I actually think about that but it's it's
13:37 just what feels right to me and I like to keep things moving I have very very
13:45 little dead air on my videos I talk almost from start to finish occasionally
13:51 I'll do a photo montage with music but yeah I try to keep it moving and I think
13:57 that's important because people get bored so easily now yeah like exactly if
14:02 you pause like too long you know people I mean when I'm editing yeah I was just
14:07 doing some editing from an interview yesterday and I have to take out all
14:13 their ah you know and it's people can't tell you've done it and it's just it's
14:21 seamless and it just makes it seem so much more professional to have people
14:25 not saying all the time exactly exactly I find I find that the same as well what
14:32 about some challenges that you have faced along the way like especially when
14:38 you were starting up like challenges of video editing and all those things and
14:42 and what about your fans you can tell us a bit of challenges that you face when
14:47 doing content well it's interesting at the I'll start talking about I prefer to
14:52 call them viewers than fans although sometimes they term themselves as fans
14:56 mm-hmm but interestingly enough when I first got started I got a fair amount of
15:02 hate and that I am I'm a very sensitive person and it's really easy to hurt my
15:10 feelings who would hate you I don't know but I mean I got a fair amount of hate
15:14 and it was interesting because after I reached a certain point it just sort of
15:21 stopped I mean I virtually get no hate anymore you know I think what people
15:27 find that see you're successful they don't bother with you anymore you know
15:32 but when you're starting out is yeah they pick on you when you're new I think
15:38 but so I'm I'm good with that I mean occasionally still somebody says
15:44 something mean but I really keep on top of the comments on my channel and you
15:50 know it's just really simple to delete a negative comment you know that's I
15:55 sometimes leave some in I think but now I'm more more often than not I'll just
16:00 go that's not very nice and I'll just delete it you know that's yeah but but
16:06 sometimes when we don't delete our comments like let's say if it's a hate
16:09 comment our fans or our viewers will sometimes just come in and help us and
16:15 defend us it happens they will but I just sometimes just prefer to just like
16:22 for if people make overly political comments you know I just get rid of
16:28 those certainly about anything about Malaysian government you know that's
16:31 yeah I don't talk about that yeah true yeah a lot of Malaysians when it comes
16:36 to like all these government stuff they are very vocal about this so they just
16:40 go into comment section and they try to stir things up well I think that
16:46 Malaysians are very vocal mm-hmm but I have found that so many people don't
16:54 want to go on camera and say stuff that's you know I was trying to find a
17:00 insurance agent to interview and I had to back out but the third one I thought
17:07 was all lined up and then her company said no she couldn't be on camera and I
17:12 get so I get a lot of that I just met a realtor recently who I thought oh great
17:17 I'll interview this realtor he said oh well my company's gonna be worried about
17:20 what I say and you know and I just don't get that I don't think that people in
17:26 other countries maybe are that worried about that sort of thing but here
17:31 definitely they're just like oh I don't want to get in trouble you know yeah I
17:36 think it's a very Asian thing as well like to to first of all appear on the
17:41 camera Asian are generally like more shy you know like and then there are also
17:48 some people who are afraid of getting in trouble because you know like especially
17:52 Asian parents are like no no like everything no you know don't don't get
17:56 in trouble yeah so yeah yeah they are worried that they're gonna say something
18:00 controversial and then like I said with the challenges of the technology when I
18:06 started I mean my you just get better as you go along you get better editing you
18:13 get smoother transitions you learn how to do it and how to do it so it you know
18:19 a lot of people think when they see my videos that I'm just sitting there and
18:22 talking for 20 minutes and they don't realize that almost every sentence is a
18:28 separate cut you know so because I don't and plus I make mistakes all the time
18:34 and I sometimes it takes me five takes to say one sentence correctly without
18:38 stumbling over words or something you know but and so I did I think I think
18:44 it's interesting when people do bloopers and stuff from there I never have done
18:49 that well for one thing that I sometimes say bad words so and that's bad for
18:55 YouTube you know YouTube nowadays they can like just detect but but they're not
19:00 so harsh with some bad words yeah they are quite okay no I've seen you know
19:05 you're here bad words all the time but I I try to keep them out of my videos
19:09 family-friendly is there any like viral moment like kind of like a turning point
19:17 video that makes you like even more interested in continue to do this well
19:22 interestingly it's and I'm sure you go through this too but you have your ups
19:27 and downs you feel like oh is this even worth it what am I doing I you know I
19:33 can't I'm not inspired I can't think of anything but then things happen like you
19:40 contacting me my friend CK another Malaysian youtuber he contacted me and
19:48 interviewed me and then recently I'm sure most people have seen I was just
19:53 interviewed by Max Chernoff who is a huge Singaporean youtuber and that
19:59 video is just a little over a week and it's gotten over 200,000 yes he's very
20:04 famous I watch him too so I've gotten a lot of new subscribers from that I would
20:10 think more than I've gotten would be but I would prefer it was more than I've
20:16 gotten because out of 200,000 views you would think I'd get more than like a
20:20 thousand new subscribers but I'll take a thousand new subscribers too yeah true
20:27 but but it is also the call to action so if let's say if there's a very strong
20:33 call to action in the front of the video it may entice people to subscribe I know
20:38 you've always gotten after me about that yeah very bad about it because I'd like
20:42 to low I'd like to low play it and please subscribe please subscribe I see
20:50 people doing that too much and I think that people know that they should
20:55 subscribe so I just have it once at the end yeah maybe I should do it I have
21:02 noticed like when I talk about I'm get about to hit a milestone like 15,000
21:09 subs celebrate subscribers and then if that sort of just mentioning it boosts
21:15 the subscribers you know you're right you know just talking about it so but I
21:22 have also just I'm not like I don't want it to be a full-time job and it's
21:29 basically I've gotten so much better at it and it doesn't take as much of my
21:33 time but it still probably takes about 15 to 20 hours a week to do one video
21:39 between planning shooting and editing you know it's just but at first it was
21:46 taking me 30 or 40 hours so now it's way way better yeah way better I still
21:54 remember when I first learned about video editing and all those things I
21:59 started editing my videos in 2016 so I actually sat down and I was asking all
22:05 the different youtubers you know my friends to come over and teach me how to
22:10 do it because I back in those days there are not that many videos on YouTube
22:15 about all this how to edit how to do this kind of thing so they're not that
22:20 many so my friends would just come here and they would just show me oh how to do
22:24 it so those days for me to create one video it takes like a week because it's
22:30 so difficult now it takes like half an hour well and I did I do all my editing
22:36 on my phone yeah this is everything for me and I'm just sitting there on the
22:43 sofa editing I have the TV on you know it's not it's not that hard for me now
22:49 although yes when I do interviews it's sometimes hard to find a appropriate
22:56 place to cut people sometimes talk too long and I try to tell them to keep
23:03 things short but because sometimes they just go on and on and on you think oh my
23:07 god where am I gonna cut this exactly so but that's yeah I'm getting better at
23:15 that too but some sometimes we may not know when we cut out something that's
23:21 important you know because well I think I'm pretty good at that yeah and the
23:27 people that I interview once they see it they don't act they never say oh you cut
23:32 out something very important they don't even notice yeah they wouldn't know it
23:36 just looks good to them and they're like oh wow that's good
23:39 you made me look good yeah true true true since you are already doing this do
23:44 you see yourself doing this for some income and for some sponsorship kind of
23:50 thing maybe you can yes I would I mean I've had a couple of sponsors I say no
23:55 all the time if I don't think whatever the sponsor is promoting is has any
24:01 application to the people who watch my channel I don't yes you know I'm not
24:05 gonna advertise a rice cooker you know even though I do sometimes cooking on my
24:10 on my channel but no and I don't want I don't want someone else to be telling me
24:19 what I have to do and so I I just try to do it as simple as possible and
24:24 otherwise it's gonna become too much like a job yeah I am retired I don't
24:30 want it to be like a job you know and in fact I was that I was thinking of taking
24:37 a few weeks off for Christmas this year but then this video came out with Max
24:41 and it's it's I can't take time off now so yeah it's a it's never seems like the
24:50 right time and I feel like I don't know I feel like it's an obligation to a
24:54 certain extent to my viewers that they expect me to have a video every week and
24:59 if I don't they notice yeah they know this not not even they they would notice
25:05 directly but even the YouTube algorithm would kind of like notice as well so one
25:11 video a week I think it will be a lot healthier yeah yeah yeah I'm but I'm
25:18 always thinking of what I'm gonna do and I have a whole list in my phone ideas
25:23 and then each week well I was just thinking before I came over here what am
25:27 I gonna do next week and I don't know yet I'm editing this week's now but which
25:33 is an interview but next week I don't know what I'm gonna do I think it's
25:37 gonna have to be something holiday related because we're getting so exactly
25:40 this and then I'm going to Penang next weekend and I think I can get a video
25:47 out of that some friends of mine are just moving here from the US and they
25:53 got a big fancy house and I'm hoping to be able to film it oh yeah I I think
25:59 that would be very interesting because like usually at the end of the year
26:03 people would be thinking of holiday of getting out of their house doing things
26:08 you know recently I've been seeing a lot of videos of winter because I love
26:13 winter so the algorithm would kind of bring all this winter videos to me so I
26:18 like to see watch videos that are people making camps in the winter and then
26:25 they eating like inside or outside their camp yeah so it makes me feel hungry and
26:30 then like cozy kind of feeling yeah yeah well it's easy to make people hungry
26:36 here do you have like any so since you're doing so many things right now
26:43 do you feel like there's a time where you have a burnout I do get burned out
26:48 another thing that people don't really talk about but you notice it here and
26:53 there if you follow certain youtubers you're bound to come across something in
26:59 their life that has gone wrong or has upset them but they don't really talk
27:04 about it out in the open like I went through a really painful breakup this
27:11 year and it was really hard to go on and keep producing content but I did and I
27:18 didn't miss a week and and it's funny because I've seen other people talk
27:23 about it too and I didn't really talk about it much but I have talked about it
27:27 since then and I saw there's this one guy I watched that he does a design show
27:33 he's Canadian and I don't know his furniture changed in the room and he
27:39 didn't really mention it and then months later he said I don't know you guys
27:43 probably don't know this but my partner and I broke up earlier in the year you
27:49 know and that's why the furniture is different but he didn't come right out
27:52 and say it at the beginning so it's I think people do follow you for you and
27:59 for interesting things in your life I think probably I could talk about more
28:03 personal things than I do but I try to keep my more information oriented yeah
28:11 so Wow for some of the new content creators who are who are also thinking
28:18 of doing this especially for for you your demographic would be people from
28:23 the US or or people who want to retire if they want to do this too is there any
28:29 advice maybe you can give us like three advice that you can give to them well
28:34 I'd say you have to have a topic that you're at least interested in and that
28:41 will interest other people yeah you said a lot of my viewers are from the US and
28:47 more of them aren't all the time but it's only about 20% and about 50% of my
28:55 viewers are Malaysian and it just depends on where you're you're doing
28:59 your videos but in Malaysia you have a built-in audience because Malaysians
29:05 love to see foreigners say nice things about their country
29:10 exactly yeah it's about 50% Malaysians now but but every time I have a big
29:18 interview like the max turnoff interview I pick up a bunch of more US viewers
29:25 yeah I think because it's a it's a cultural thing like Malaysians Filipinos
29:32 we are the people that are really we kind of like have this identity oh we
29:38 are Malaysian we are proud even Filipinos are like that yeah so yeah
29:45 yeah that's so true Malaysians are fiercely proud of their
29:49 country but what I've done too is that I've at the beginning I would hardly
29:57 ever say anything negative about Malaysia and but now I feel like as
30:03 people have gotten to know me and they like me they allow me to criticize a
30:10 little more than you know I've done a video not too long ago about things that
30:14 irritate me here in Malaysia and I'm gonna tell you the things that irritate
30:18 me about Malaysia today I wouldn't have done that at first and now I didn't get
30:24 any pushback really I mean I've got a little but mostly people were saying oh
30:29 we agree with you those things irritate us too but until that they feel like
30:34 you're a part of their community they're not gonna accept criticism very well you
30:39 know but once they already like you and they agree with you and other things
30:43 they're gonna say oh yeah he's right about that yeah it is I watched that
30:48 video as well and and to me it was super relatable yeah yes yes I've yes I agree
30:57 I felt that too you know yeah this this this kind of thing oh and then the most
31:03 recent thing that I think I was afraid to mention or talk about is that I don't
31:08 like really like Nasi Lemak no and that's like I don't know I mean I
31:13 expected death threats over that but I did get a really funny comment last
31:19 night who said that I was gonna be arrested soon because of that but they
31:23 were just joking but yeah I mean people people understand that I don't like it
31:29 because there's fishy taste to it and I don't eat fishy things yeah so but it's
31:34 still that was I've thought oh gosh am I gonna get in trouble for saying I don't
31:39 really like Nasi Lemak. I think they understand because you you explain like why you
31:43 didn't like it it's not just because of the spices but it's more because of the
31:46 the fishy in the sambal and the fishy taste in the fish the anchovies you know
31:52 and I had it someone I think yesterday just send me a comment that was telling
31:57 me where I could get it that wasn't made with fish paste and where the sambal
32:03 wasn't fishy and that they left off the ikan bilis and you know so I might check
32:11 that out because I think I like it better yeah and now nowadays we have the
32:17 vegetarian kind of Nasi Lemak. Yeah someone said something about that too
32:20 yeah in fact one of the my favorite versions of Char Kway Teow is vegetarian
32:27 with just tofu in it and I think that's really good yeah otherwise there will be
32:32 like clams and and prawns. I don't mind clams and prawns. I mean it's just the fish. I just don't like fish but but I still I really I had it once in Penang and the
32:46 vegetarian Char Kway Teow and I just really liked it I wish I could get it
32:51 more this place there's a vegetarian place in my building that seems to have
32:55 gone out of business. Oh gone out of business? Well they've been closed for months. Wow okay
33:03 I thought they'd still be there. It's still there everything's on the still there on the inside but
33:08 there's like a note on the door saying yeah maybe something happened you know
33:12 yeah someone might have died or something. Yeah to the owners. So it was family brought in.
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