Illegal Migration: How can Ghanaians, other Africans be saved from illegal travels abroad? - The Big Agenda on Adom TV (21-12-23)
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00:00 and
00:15 we're going to talk about the DBS industry. So, DBS industry. So, DBS industry. So, DBS
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01:01 - Alright.
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01:13 - But all the same.
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01:19 Nana Jemfi, our Executive Director
01:38 at the Black Alliance for Just Immigration.
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01:43 Welcome.
01:44 - Thank you.
01:45 (speaking in foreign language)
01:48 - Abina Abraham, she's an immigrant justice activist.
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01:57 Alright, (speaking in foreign language)
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03:10 - Take some food, take some water,
03:12 I will get the life vest now, okay?
03:15 - So when the federal police came,
03:19 I don't even know where I was.
03:21 Number one, I don't even know where I was.
03:23 So the federal police came and they asked,
03:27 do you know where you are?
03:29 I said no.
03:31 This is Brazil.
03:32 That was the first thing they said, this is Brazil.
03:35 I said wow, this is Brazil?
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04:05 - Alright, (speaking in foreign language)
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04:35 - That's a case of (speaking in foreign language)
04:59 - (speaking in foreign language)
05:03 - The country is hard.
05:13 I don't have a job.
05:14 I want to go and seek for greener pastures.
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05:37 - (speaking in foreign language)
05:50 - Because migration.
05:51 (speaking in foreign language)
05:55 - Okay?
06:05 - Yeah, yeah.
06:06 - Free, okay?
06:08 So we're free, Great Britain, France, Canada.
06:11 (speaking in foreign language)
06:12 No problem.
06:13 (speaking in foreign language)
06:18 - Africa, Caribbean.
06:20 (speaking in foreign language)
06:24 - Work or prison, straight away.
06:27 (speaking in foreign language)
06:31 - 100,000 Irish people to (speaking in foreign language)
06:47 - How many papers?
06:49 (speaking in foreign language)
06:50 100,000.
06:52 (speaking in foreign language)
06:56 - Is it because of their color?
07:00 - Ah, absolutely.
07:02 (speaking in foreign language)
07:06 - So what's your statistics?
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07:13 - Statistics, yeah.
07:14 (speaking in foreign language)
07:17 - Statistics.
07:18 - Ah, okay.
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07:20 (speaking in foreign language)
07:24 - 78% (speaking in foreign language)
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07:38 It's less than 10%.
07:40 (speaking in foreign language)
07:42 - Less than 10%.
07:43 (speaking in foreign language)
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07:54 - Yes.
07:58 (speaking in foreign language)
08:02 - Purely racism.
08:04 (speaking in foreign language)
08:08 - 100,000 Ukrainians.
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08:12 America, in four months.
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08:16 100,000.
08:18 (speaking in foreign language)
08:22 Government, US government,
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08:41 40,000 Ukrainians.
08:44 (speaking in foreign language)
08:48 - So what's the right channel?
08:54 (speaking in foreign language)
08:57 Doesn't have the money to pay.
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09:08 - Well, it's by design that the process is difficult
09:12 for people to get to the United States.
09:14 So first of all, the asylum law states
09:17 that you must be at a United States port to seek asylum.
09:21 So there's really no proper channel
09:23 that people can utilize to get to the United States
09:26 because you can't go to the US embassy here in Ghana
09:29 and say that my life is at risk,
09:31 I meet the categories for which I can seek asylum.
09:34 You must be within the United States.
09:36 So if you can't afford a plane ticket,
09:37 you can't afford the process to try to attempt
09:40 to get a visa, we're not even talking about the fact
09:43 that you must get approved for the visa in the first place,
09:46 there's really no option or an alternative way for people
09:49 than to take this dangerous journey.
09:51 And we know that people are taking this journey
09:53 because the United States' hands are in Ghana's business.
09:57 They are a part of the destabilization of the economy.
10:00 They are a part of the reason why Ghanaians cannot live
10:04 and thrive in this country, right?
10:06 When we look at the anti-LGBTQ bill that's--
10:09 - So in fairness, you are saying they are part of our problem?
10:11 - Yes, of course, because--
10:12 - They are the root of the problem?
10:13 - They are--
10:14 - They are the root of the problem.
10:15 - Yes, like I was gonna reference the LGBTQ bill
10:18 that's moving right now in Ghana.
10:19 That's 100% being funded by forces in the United States
10:23 that want to seek to destabilize.
10:25 If Ghana is great, that's a problem for the United States.
10:30 - So in this case, are you saying those trying to go
10:35 to the United States through Storway are kind of justified?
10:40 - Look, everybody has the freedom to movement.
10:45 Migration is the right of every human.
10:47 You can get up and go to Ivory Coast today.
10:49 You can go to the United States.
10:51 You can go anywhere.
10:52 It's our right as human beings to move, right?
10:54 And so if conditions are not suitable for people
10:57 to live in their home countries, they must move.
11:00 And when we look at the history of this continent,
11:03 because of Western forces coming in
11:05 and destabilizing our home, we've had to move.
11:09 We've had to find other means to be able to survive
11:12 and take care of ourselves.
11:13 - But the means is awful.
11:15 And people are dying through the means.
11:16 - Yeah, I mean, such is the time,
11:18 such is the condition, right?
11:19 Like, the United States has never made it easy
11:22 for anybody to migrate.
11:23 There's risk in migration.
11:25 Whether you take a plane and have a visa
11:28 to go to the United States, there's so much that you face
11:31 as a black immigrant that we're just seeing one part,
11:35 which is dangerous, Darien Gap, Amazon,
11:38 walking with the cartel situation.
11:39 But once you actually get there,
11:41 that violence that you face is so small
11:44 compared to everyday life in the United States.
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12:11 - Yeah.
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12:19 - See how the place is crowded.
12:27 So if they are to open, say, oh, people can just come.
12:32 I don't think (speaking in foreign language)
12:35 - Yeah, they better come to Oklahoma.
12:37 But there's, it's two sides of the immigration coin, okay?
12:42 One side, first of all, America, (speaking in foreign language)
12:47 it has space.
12:49 Don't think it's no space.
12:51 It has space.
12:52 Plenty space.
12:53 - That space to accommodate a lot of people.
12:56 - They accommodated 100,000 Ukrainian blooms
12:59 in four months.
13:02 - Okay.
13:02 - Okay, (speaking in foreign language)
13:03 in nine.
13:04 So they have space.
13:06 If they say (speaking in foreign language)
13:11 Okay?
13:12 So that's the first thing.
13:13 The second thing is, yes, we also have to look
13:18 at how America benefits from this visa thing, okay?
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13:29 13,000 people apply for visa, 13,000 (speaking in foreign language)
13:35 13,000.
13:36 - 13,000 within what space of time?
13:39 - Fiscal year 2022.
13:39 - Fiscal year 2022.
13:41 - Okay, so within a year, 13,000 people.
13:44 - 13,000.
13:44 - And how many people are granted visa?
13:47 - 13,000 Ghanaians were granted.
13:49 - Were granted, okay.
13:50 - Were granted, okay?
13:51 So I don't know if you wanna translate that
13:53 because this is important.
13:54 13,000 people.
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14:01 So that was a little less than 50%,
14:06 43% of the people who applied received it.
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14:13 57% did not get it, okay?
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14:29 If 13,000, if you take the 26,000
14:33 and you multiply it by 300,
14:36 you are now getting into like $6 million.
14:38 - Okay, that's a visa fee.
14:42 - That's a visa fee.
14:43 - Not fees.
14:44 - So this is US dollars.
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14:57 Six million in one year.
14:59 - Just like that?
15:01 - Just like that, just like that.
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15:08 Like every twice a year, (speaking in foreign language)
15:12 to submit to be rejected.
15:15 - You have like six months to reapply.
15:17 - And they go back.
15:18 So imagine, Jeremy, how much money these people are making,
15:25 which they are keeping that money.
15:27 If they open it and make it easy,
15:30 they won't get that money.
15:31 They're not getting that money from Britain.
15:33 - There is a deliberate attempt to
15:35 siphon, for want of a better word,
15:42 money through this process of granting visas and all that.
15:46 - Yeah, I mean, migration is the most profitable business
15:49 in the United States.
15:51 Every other government entity gets money
15:53 from the government to keep running,
15:56 but our United States citizenship
15:57 and immigration services is self-funded
16:00 because of the fees, right?
16:01 And the statistics that we just gave you
16:03 are just for B1, B2 visas,
16:05 so we're not talking about all the other visa categories
16:08 for which people are applying for.
16:10 So this is a money-making scheme.
16:12 And so the United States is not going to make the process
16:15 easy for anybody to get there
16:17 because you're cutting off their money source, right?
16:20 And so people need to understand
16:23 that the US isn't this nice opening the door
16:28 to welcome people because they're benefiting
16:29 more than we're benefiting.
16:31 We're staying near the US embassy.
16:33 You see people waiting early in the morning, all night.
16:37 - But the alternative is scary, so what do we do?
16:40 - Well, this is why we're here to educate people
16:42 because it's important for Ghanaians to know
16:45 what to expect when they get to the United States
16:47 because the work that we do, our people get there,
16:50 they have these high expectations
16:52 that when I get to the US, I'm gonna find a job,
16:54 I'm gonna make $20,000 in one month,
16:56 I'm gonna change the life of my family,
16:58 and we're here to let people know--
16:59 - You have some seconds to go, so your last words.
17:01 - Yeah. - Yeah.
17:01 So we're gonna be going to the Stoneboy concert.
17:05 We're gonna be there on Friday, tomorrow.
17:07 We'll be there at two o'clock
17:09 and we'll be sharing information
17:11 on the pathways to the United States
17:13 that do not include the stowaway in the ship
17:16 and the practical realities for black migrants
17:19 about what happens when you take on coming to the US.
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