Born in New York City to legendary actress Lee Grant and writer Arnold Manoff, writer and actress Dinah Manoff was destined for Hollywood. She's a Tony Award winner with numerous theater and some of the greatest TV credits under her belt. But it was probably her role on the big screen playing Pink Lady Marty Maraschino in the movie Grease that captured the hearts of millions. Her latest work is a fabulous fiction book, The Real True Hollywood Story of Jackie Gold , that she recently turned into an audiobook. Manoff says Jamie Lee Curtis describes it best as 'A brilliant rewinding of a life of Hollywood glitz, grit, gluttony, and nose jobs.' We agree, it is brilliant. Listening to her beautiful voice act it out with the equally fantastic cast of characters she brought on board to help bring a whole new perspective to the story, making it even more entertaining. And of course, hearing her act again makes it even more magical since, unfortunately for us, she stepped back from the scene several years ago. This is a LifeMinute with the amazingly warm-hearted, multi-talented, and funny human that is Dinah Manoff.
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00:00 Born in New York City to legendary actress Leigh Grant and writer Arnold Manoff, writer
00:07 and actress Dinah Manoff was destined for Hollywood.
00:10 She's a Tony Award winner with numerous theater and TV credits under her belt, but it was
00:15 probably her role on the big screen playing pink lady Marty Maraschino in the movie Grease
00:20 that captured the hearts of millions.
00:23 Her latest work is a fabulous fiction book, The Real True Hollywood Story of Jackie Gold,
00:28 that she recently turned into an audiobook.
00:31 We caught up with her from her home in Seattle to hear all about it.
00:34 This is a Life Minute with Dinah Manoff.
00:37 I had never really thought about doing this as an audible and I was approached by this
00:42 really nice distributor in Los Angeles.
00:46 And when I first sat down to do it, I thought, well, you know, I'll read the book.
00:50 And then as I was practicing, I realized I just don't have the chops to play 100 different
00:57 characters.
00:58 I have a whole other talent that I just didn't realize I didn't have.
01:02 So I asked him if I could, you know, just cast it and I would read Jackie Gold, which
01:07 I totally knew I could do.
01:09 And I brought in all these wonderful actors in my hometown that I've worked with and some
01:14 of whom are working actors.
01:16 And we recorded the book together and I think it came out really great.
01:20 I'm really pleased with it.
01:22 It really did.
01:23 It was really, really great.
01:26 And for those that haven't read the book, tell us, give us a quick synopsis.
01:30 The book is called The Real True Hollywood Story of Jackie Gold.
01:34 And it's the story of a very, very big movie star who is a tabloid darling in the 80s.
01:42 And she tells her story from the hospital bed where she's lying in a coma after jumping
01:47 off the balcony to escape the paparazzi.
01:50 And it is actually a pretty funny, dark comedy, or as Jamie Lee Curtis said, she gave me a
01:58 very nice blurb and it's on the cover of my book.
02:01 It says, "A brilliant rewinding of a life of Hollywood glitz, grit, gluttony, and nose
02:07 jobs."
02:08 That's the best description I can come up with.
02:11 That's great.
02:12 And tell us, why did you decide to write this?
02:15 I started it many, many years ago in a workshop and it was preceded by what happened to Princess
02:23 Diana, the horrible, really, you know, murder of her by the paparazzi chasing her into the
02:31 tunnel.
02:32 And right around the same time, I just had my first child and a guy, a paparazzi from
02:39 the Inquirer showed up at my front door to question his paternity, my son's, my brand
02:45 new baby infant's paternity.
02:48 And I started to scream.
02:52 I was in my pajamas.
02:53 I chased him off my property, called a lawyer.
02:57 And it was the first time that I really have felt for myself the invasiveness of these
03:04 people.
03:05 And so I started writing a story about, you know, what if there was this really big star
03:11 and this happened to her and it just evolved from that.
03:15 You know, it's still happening with Britney Spears and Meghan Markle.
03:19 And, you know, these people, they're relentless.
03:23 In my day, when I was an actor, we didn't have cell phones or TMZ or the internet or
03:28 any of that.
03:29 We just had the Inquirer and the star and they did tremendous damage to people.
03:36 Would you say there are any parts of Jackie that are you?
03:40 You know, I certainly drew from my life and my personality, I think, in writing Jackie.
03:47 You know, I drew from my childhood in Malibu, which is a very unusual and unique place to
03:53 be raised.
03:54 I'm very fond of saying no one really grows up in Malibu, but I was raised there.
03:59 You know, I come from a Hollywood background or a show business background, really.
04:04 My mother is Lee Grant, who's still the incredible force that she's always been at 98 years young.
04:11 You know, I had those experiences to draw from.
04:15 And you know, they say, write what you know.
04:17 This is this is what I know.
04:19 There's some parts of it that are so vivid, the descriptions, the nose job, Al.
04:24 How did that come out of that?
04:27 Being a young actress in Hollywood, you know, there was always, particularly when I was
04:35 a young actress, the pressure to be pretty.
04:38 And I was more of a character actress.
04:41 And you felt like you had to pass in order to get cast.
04:45 You know, that meant doing what you had to do to dye your hair blonde or get a nose job
04:51 or starve yourself skinny, all of which I did in order to get cast and to be, you know,
04:58 passable.
05:00 They didn't want you to look Jewish, which I am.
05:03 They didn't want you to look ethnic.
05:05 They you know, they wanted a certain Hollywood type.
05:09 And so I put a lot of that into Jackie, into her story.
05:13 What about Marilee?
05:14 Where did she come from?
05:16 Jackie's mother, Marilee, is nothing like my mother.
05:20 My mother was a show business mom.
05:22 I mean, she worked a lot and, you know, she was an incredibly famous and well-respected
05:27 actress.
05:28 But Marilee, I based very loosely on a story I had heard when I was a kid in the colony,
05:35 Malibu colony, where I spent a few years of my childhood and where Jackie did as well.
05:43 There was this waitress at the colony coffee shop, which no longer exists.
05:50 And this very wealthy guy who lived in Malibu colony left his wife and married this very,
05:56 very young waitress.
05:58 And I don't know why that just stuck with me for years.
06:02 So Marilee became that waitress, you know, that that girl who was plucked out of the
06:08 coffee shop into this other life where, you know, she she couldn't fit in.
06:13 I don't really know whatever happened with those people, but that was my inspiration.
06:19 And what about Al?
06:20 Did that happen to you?
06:22 Al date rapes Jackie in the story when she's 14 and he's 20, probably 22.
06:31 Did that happen exactly?
06:32 No.
06:33 Were there situations that I was able to draw on for writing that portion of the book?
06:39 Absolutely.
06:40 It was so vivid and even more so when you actually said it.
06:43 I worked really, really hard on that section with my editor because it was so necessary
06:51 to make it real and to make it terrible, but also to make it something Jackie would allow
07:00 herself to go through to justify at the time, you know, to not run screaming, but to justify.
07:08 And what is it that in your young psyche as a young woman lets you let yourself be in
07:14 that situation, which I certainly did.
07:17 Did you find it difficult when you did the audio book?
07:20 Like, was there anything different than you discovered from it?
07:23 Or, you know, was it hard to read those lines and those difficult lines?
07:27 Or how was that different than writing?
07:29 I loved acting this part in the audio book.
07:32 You know, I don't act anymore.
07:35 So for me, it was like such a ride to jump on, you know, to jump on board this trip that
07:43 Jackie takes.
07:44 And because I wrote it and it really is in my voice, it was an easy place for me to operate
07:52 from.
07:53 Yes, it was hard to read that scene.
07:55 It was very gratifying to read it because I could say it just the way I felt it, exactly
08:02 the way I felt it.
08:04 And the wonderful actor, Chris Soldevia, who read not just that part of Al so brilliantly,
08:11 but also read the boyfriend and also read a couple of other parts.
08:15 He's such a talented actor.
08:16 Did you have to change it at all?
08:18 Did you change the words or anything like that?
08:20 Or you just, you know, strangely enough, as we were reading through the book, I came back
08:25 and I came up on tons of typos that I never saw just reading it with my eyes.
08:31 But saying it, I would go, "Oh my God, this is terrible.
08:33 I have to, you know, the next printing, we have to fix this."
08:37 And yes, there were parts reading the book where I said, you know, "This doesn't work
08:41 reading.
08:42 We have to cut this or add this or, you know, to make it clear, you know, to say she said
08:47 or, you know, it was, it was different."
08:49 But mostly, I mean, I would say 97% of it is the same.
08:55 Will there be another book on the horizon, you think?
08:58 I don't know.
08:59 You know, I'm working on writing something right now that doesn't have a form yet.
09:04 Something that I've been wanting to get out of my system.
09:07 But I don't know if it will be a book or some other, some other form of entertainment.
09:16 Whatever it is, it'll be something good.
09:18 Teaching acting in prison.
09:20 I didn't know about this.
09:21 Tell us about that.
09:23 I think I told you on our last interview together that I lost, we lost our oldest son coming
09:29 up on seven years now, Dashiell Mortell.
09:34 And after Dashiell died, I was non-functional, as you would expect.
09:41 And I wanted to become a person who could survive and function and thrive after a loss
09:48 that had broken me.
09:50 And what I knew from my experience in life was that the best way for me to function was
09:57 to figure out a way to be helpful to someone else.
10:01 And that's just, you know, not because I'm a good person.
10:04 It's just I really know how it works from my experience.
10:08 And so I'd always had this idea in the back of my head to go into a women's prison and
10:14 bring in acting classes.
10:15 I thought that would be really inspirational for me as well as for them.
10:20 And so I found a women's prison not far from us.
10:25 And I pitched myself as a teacher.
10:30 They liked that I was free.
10:31 You know, they have to pay me anything.
10:34 I would volunteer.
10:36 And I started this acting and improv class at the women's prison with my friend and teaching
10:42 partner, Michelle Allen.
10:44 So once a week, we would go in and we would teach to these women, some of whom could have
10:50 cared less about us being there, some of whom were thrilled to have us there.
10:54 But for two hours a week, I was okay.
11:00 And that was why I did it, because I knew that I would be out of myself for that period
11:05 of time.
11:06 So it was my bridge back to being okay, really.
11:10 And I taught there for three years and started a writing program there and started an art
11:17 program there.
11:19 And I called myself the Dean of Fine Arts at the Women's Correctional Institute.
11:23 For a girl who never graduated, I thought that was pretty darn good.
11:30 And then COVID hit.
11:31 So I've never been back because they still haven't allowed back in.
11:37 There were times when we would be laughing so hard in class that the guards would come
11:41 to see if everybody was okay.
11:43 That's amazing.
11:44 Yeah.
11:45 What made you think of doing that?
11:47 I think of myself as a recovering bad girl.
11:50 And I like bad girls.
11:53 I relate.
11:54 I've always said there, "But for the grace of God, go I."
12:00 And I felt like I would be very comfortable there.
12:03 And I was.
12:04 I was not intimidated.
12:05 I told them exactly what my credits were, by the way.
12:09 Don't think I went in anonymously.
12:10 I said, "Did you see the movie Grease?
12:12 Have you watched?"
12:13 They'd ask, "Well, this is who I am."
12:16 And they would be like, "What are you doing here?"
12:18 And I would say, "That's beside the point.
12:20 I am and I'm here to teach you."
12:23 And so they kind of went, "Okay."
12:26 And so I knew how to take my power.
12:31 And of course you mentioned growing up in showbiz.
12:33 Your mom is the legendary Lee Grant, of course.
12:36 And your dad was in the biz too.
12:38 But yet you had a lot of auditioning and rejections.
12:42 Tell us all about that.
12:43 What was it like growing up as you?
12:45 And how did you get into it?
12:47 When did you make it?
12:48 My mother was a really respected, popular actress.
12:55 She had come through the blacklist, so she had also suffered a great deal.
13:00 And all of that I found very intimidating as a young actress, that she was so serious.
13:08 She was a serious actress.
13:11 And I was kind of a screw-up.
13:13 I stumbled into acting because there really was nothing else I was qualified to do.
13:19 I wasn't educated.
13:20 I'd grown up on the beach.
13:23 I always knew I could act because I'd been cuing my mother on scripts from the time I
13:27 could read.
13:28 So I knew I could get away with it.
13:29 I went through what many young actresses go through.
13:32 I went through, you know, the odds are you get like one in every 25 auditions.
13:37 I had a nice niche there for a while, playing the best friend.
13:41 I was dependable as being funny and quirky.
13:45 And then I was really lucky enough to land some really great jobs.
13:50 Grease, soap, being on the series Soap was, you know, I didn't know how lucky I was.
13:55 I mean, I look back now and I go, if only I'd known how lucky I was.
13:59 Then I was just like, this is a gig, you know, I mean, this is a great gig, but it's a gig.
14:04 Little by little, I trained myself.
14:07 You know, the rejection part of being in the business, it's really terrible.
14:11 I cried after every single audition I ever went on.
14:15 I never had thick skin.
14:17 You know, I always felt that I was, you know, to this or not enough that or, you know, I
14:23 never had the thick skin.
14:25 But some actors have, I didn't have it.
14:28 And I think, you know, one of the reasons I love not acting now is I'm not nervous.
14:34 You know, I was nervous all the time.
14:36 I was nervous, I was insecure, I didn't want to look in the mirror, I was worried about
14:39 my weight, about my thighs, about my talent.
14:43 You know, I don't live that anymore.
14:45 You know, pretty happy.
14:47 So, you know, I don't think I can be an actor and not be that as well.
14:52 I really tried, you know, 25 years of therapy, and I was still just as nervous as when I
14:58 walked into therapy the first day.
15:00 Was that why you quit?
15:01 I wouldn't say you quit, however.
15:03 You didn't quite quit, did you?
15:05 You know?
15:06 I moved away.
15:07 I moved, you know, to the Northwest with my family.
15:10 And I chose a very deliberately a very different life.
15:14 And I chose not to audition anymore.
15:17 I was lucky I was able to do that because my husband was still working.
15:21 And, you know, I had put my money away, and I was able to walk away on my own terms.
15:26 But the fact was, it was like walking away from a lover who really already didn't want
15:31 you so much anymore.
15:32 He was like, "I'm walking away!" and I'm going, "Yeah, go, go already!"
15:42 The very last audition I went on, and this was what made my decision not to audition
15:47 anymore, I went on audition for a HBO show, and I walked in.
15:51 It was an okay part.
15:53 And I walked into the room, and there were like 20 other actresses all there for the
15:58 same role, all of whom I knew, all of whom were fabulous talents, all of whom would have
16:05 been right for the same part.
16:08 And I thought, "I just can't anymore."
16:15 I spent two hours getting ready, learning my lines, driving from the studio, getting
16:22 myself up.
16:23 And I just went, "I just like myself too much now."
16:28 But, you know, that's what happens.
16:29 I mean, at a certain age, you're not the little wonderkins anymore.
16:33 You're just another 45-year-old actress competing with all the other 45-year-old actresses because
16:40 the parts have shrunk to this by the time you're 45.
16:44 So we're all, you know, like, "Give me!
16:47 Give me!"
16:48 - And look at now with the strike.
16:49 I mean, I guess it's over now, but look how long that lasted.
16:52 - Yeah.
16:53 I mean, it's, you know, and I had the best years of television.
16:56 You know, I got paid a lot.
16:59 I got to really have a lot of fun, you know, when I did Empty Nest and worked with fabulous
17:04 people.
17:05 But business has changed a lot.
17:07 And you know, my friends, my women friends who are acting, are acting for very little
17:12 money just to pay their health insurance.
17:14 And it's, you know, so I say, you know, adios and thanks.
17:19 It was a great ride.
17:20 - Right, right.
17:21 Smart.
17:22 - Now I'm going to be a writer.
17:24 - Maybe that'll be a movie someday.
17:25 - I hope so.
17:26 - But I don't know if you'll play.
17:28 Maybe you'll play Mary Lee or something.
17:30 - Oh, no.
17:31 I would just play, you know, staying home while the movie's on.
17:35 - Director.
17:36 - Don't even want to direct it.
17:38 - Writer.
17:39 The writer.
17:40 Who are your favorite people to work with?
17:41 - Oh, God, so many.
17:42 I mean, Richard Mulligan, you know, played my father on Empty Nest and was in Soak.
17:48 I treasure Richard.
17:50 I loved working with the Grease cast and we still see each other.
17:53 You know, we go around these comic cons and do autograph signings together.
17:57 - Oh, wow.
17:58 - The T-Birds and the Pink Ladies, some of us.
18:01 And Randall Kleiser, the director.
18:03 We just got back from Scotland and every time we see each other, it's just such a love fest.
18:08 You know, we have so much history now.
18:10 - It's so iconic.
18:12 Do you think most people can remember you from that role over other things?
18:16 - Yeah, I do.
18:17 I mean, fans, they just keep, you know, giving birth to more fans.
18:21 Keep going.
18:22 - They don't ever.
18:23 If you're going to do something, that's certainly the one to do.
18:28 - Yes, so, you know, at the time it was, you know, just it was a really fun movie to make
18:32 and it got lukewarm reviews when it first came out.
18:35 It was not a blockbuster.
18:36 - Really?
18:37 I didn't know that.
18:38 - The reviews were like, "Oh, it's too camp."
18:40 And it gathered its own steam over years and years and years and keeps doing so.
18:46 - Of course, you lost Olivia.
18:48 - I was really lucky to get to work with her and to know her a little bit.
18:52 That was really my experience with her was on "Grease."
18:55 I had a little exchange with her a few years ago.
18:59 You know, Olivia truly was who you think she was.
19:02 She was the warmest, sweetest, most generous, big-hearted lady.
19:09 - I'm just playing Sandra Dee.
19:13 - When we did Sandra Dee at a scene in "Grease," we had so much fun shooting that scene, all
19:20 of us, the pink ladies and Olivia.
19:22 And I like to tell the story that Olivia really was a good girl.
19:28 And we pink ladies really were sort of bad girls in real life, too.
19:33 I mean, there was an us and them.
19:36 So getting to act out that scene where we were torturing her and getting her drunk and
19:41 singing a mean song about her, it was so much fun.
19:46 And she was such a good sport.
19:48 And yeah, so I'm lucky.
19:52 I'm lucky that I got a little piece of that relationship with her.
19:57 - That's great.
19:58 - I can tell you about my mom, who is at--
20:01 - How is she doing?
20:02 90, 98?
20:03 - 98.
20:04 - Amazing.
20:05 And I'm so glad she's not Merrilee.
20:06 - I know, she's nothing like Merrilee.
20:07 - I was just like, I didn't ask the first time.
20:08 I'm like, gosh, I hope Lee Grant's not Merrilee.
20:11 I like her in any way.
20:15 - Well, I can tell you, there's definitely another book there, but she's not Merrilee.
20:20 No, she's great.
20:22 She's still getting up and doing Pilates and walking the dog and living in her apartment
20:28 with her younger husband of 83, his twin sister.
20:32 And she's great.
20:34 She's amazing.
20:35 - What does she say about your book?
20:37 - Oh, she loves it.
20:38 - The audiobook.
20:39 - She hasn't heard the Audible yet.
20:41 Because I'd have to go set-- you have to set it up for her because she doesn't know how
20:45 to work anything.
20:46 She never knew how to work anything.
20:48 I mean, that's just who she always is.
20:51 She never typed.
20:52 - She never had to.
20:53 What has the day been like for you when you're not working?
20:56 - I think I may have told you before I ride horses.
20:59 That's my passion.
21:01 I've been riding dressage for about 15, 16 years now.
21:06 I'm still not very good at it, but I really love doing it.
21:10 And so I just keep plugging away at it.
21:13 I ride like three to four times a week.
21:15 I have a horse near my house and a trainer that I love and work with.
21:21 And that's my sanity.
21:23 That's my therapy.
21:24 I'm a happy little homebody.
21:26 You know, I like to make soup and fold laundry and, you know, and feed the hummingbirds and,
21:34 you know, garden a little.
21:36 I really like my home life, you know.
21:39 Like, I like my husband a lot, which is really good.
21:42 You know, we've been married a long time.
21:44 My boys are at college now, so my twins.
21:48 So, yeah, it's sweet here.
21:50 - It's great to go through what you guys went through.
21:52 That's rare that a lot of marriages don't last, you know.
21:55 - Yes.
21:56 Well, our marriage has, in fact, become closer.
22:00 It was always close.
22:01 But, you know, Arthur and I really clung to each other, you know, and to our other boys.
22:08 And, you know, I'm happy to say that, you know, when I went off to teach at that prison to save my own life,
22:17 to be able to move forward, you know, I do thrive and I do have joy and I am happy.
22:26 You know, not that I am not always missing my oldest son always.
22:33 But I'm lucky in that I have been able to, you know, really come back into living life fully,
22:42 which I didn't know if I would.
22:44 I didn't know if that was possible.
22:46 - You're Jewish, of course.
22:47 Do you want to say anything about what's going on?
22:50 - Do you want me to get into it?
22:51 I mean, here's the deal.
22:53 Me, I'm wearing a peace sign again.
22:55 I haven't worn a peace sign since I was like 17, you know.
22:59 This is my prayer.
23:01 My prayer is for peace.
23:04 I understand the meaning of never again.
23:08 I understand it really fully.
23:11 I understand that Israel is at war and that along with war comes unspeakable, horrible results.
23:20 I understand that.
23:23 And I also feel very strongly that when the war is over and won, that the head of the government in Israel has to go.
23:34 He has to go in order for there to be a peace process again.
23:38 Netanyahu has to go.
23:41 And I hope that will happen, that finally they will move on to a saner, more open-hearted administration in Israel that is not dominated by fanaticism and religious zealotry.
23:59 That's what I hope.
24:01 - That's a good thing to say.
24:03 Let's go back onto fluffy notes.
24:07 What are you watching these days?
24:09 - Oh, I love to talk about television.
24:11 I think I'm a professional television watcher.
24:13 I think it's what I do best.
24:15 I watch "Married at First Sight."
24:17 I watch "Love is Blind."
24:19 - So did I.
24:21 I got obsessed by that, "Love is Blind."
24:23 - Me too.
24:24 - It's the last season I didn't really like.
24:25 - Oh, terrible.
24:26 Last season was just terrible.
24:27 - I didn't like that.
24:28 I liked the first two.
24:29 - So I watch those.
24:31 And I've also been watching on BritBox.
24:34 I'm watching "Payback."
24:35 I just finished that.
24:37 Just finished "The Morning Show," which was a fabulous season.
24:41 - I love it.
24:42 - Everyone should watch "The Morning Show."
24:43 They're so good.
24:44 - I agree.
24:45 - "Julia," the "Julia Child" series is coming back, the new season.
24:50 And my friend Melanie Mehron directs a lot of those.
24:53 So I'll be watching "Julia."
24:56 But, yeah, I watch a lot of television.
24:59 Television is my cocktail.
25:01 You know, it's like cocktail hours.
25:03 Like, "Oh, what's on?"
25:04 You know, "Shark Tank."
25:06 - I love "Suits."
25:07 Have you been watching that?
25:08 - "Suits?"
25:09 - Yeah.
25:10 - Yeah, I'm on season seven.
25:12 "Suits" is our comfort show.
25:14 It's like we watch our shows, and then right before we go to sleep,
25:17 we go, "Let's put on 'Suits.'"
25:20 - For me, too.
25:21 And I always--
25:22 "Grace and Frankie" was my other comfort show.
25:24 - Oh, I watched all the "Grace and Frankies," too.
25:26 - And "Friends," of course.
25:28 "Friends" was my other comfort show.
25:30 I never watched what was on, but now I watch it.
25:32 Well, maybe "Empty Nest" will come back.
25:34 And "Soap," I mean, I think that was on something.
25:37 They brought that back.
25:39 - They usually do.
25:40 - You never know.
25:41 - At some point, bring "Soap" back.
25:43 - Yeah.
25:44 - One of the fans in Scotland said something to me about "Grease,"
25:49 which was--it was the first time I'd heard it said,
25:52 and it made so much sense to me.
25:54 She took my hands, and she was--her eyes were all teary,
25:58 and she took my hands.
26:00 She said, "You understand."
26:01 She had a brogue, which I can't do.
26:03 She said, "Grease is my comfort film."
26:06 And I said, "Oh, I get it.
26:08 It's like your mac and cheese," she said.
26:11 - That's awesome.
26:12 - And that made me feel so good that, you know,
26:15 that's what people go to when--you know,
26:17 if she goes to when her life is tough.
26:19 - Absolutely.
26:20 And you're the star of that movie, 100%.
26:23 - I'm not, but thank you.
26:24 - You are. You are.
26:26 The funniest that you are.
26:28 What's your biggest life tip for living?
26:31 - I can tell you that in this period of my life,
26:34 my mantra is don't stop moving.
26:38 [laughs]
26:39 - Oh, my goodness.
26:40 - You know, just keep moving.
26:42 - Mentally and physically, right?
26:44 - Right.
26:45 - What's something you think you might do
26:46 that you haven't done yet?
26:47 - I don't have any professional aspirations.
26:51 I don't have, like, a professional bucket list anymore,
26:56 which is good.
26:57 You know, I'm pretty satisfied.
27:00 I've been, you know, a couple of writing workshops
27:03 where I'm learning to do stuff I want to learn to do better,
27:07 structure and things like that.
27:09 My travel bucket list now is I really want to go to Tokyo,
27:15 where I haven't been.
27:16 And one of my sons is a real Japanophile,
27:20 and so he's been to Japan,
27:22 and I want to go and experience Tokyo
27:26 and, you know, other parts of Japan.
27:29 - You're a hack the code lady for a good living.
27:32 I like it. I like it.
27:34 I love you. You're such a wonderful person.
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27:40 on iTunes and all streaming podcast platforms.
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