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00:00 There are customers, there are sellers, there are buyers, what can we do?
00:04 We can't close the shop and see what they want to do.
00:07 If you follow the rules, the country will be fine.
00:09 You have to follow the rules.
00:11 You can't say, for example, what I said about automatism,
00:15 that it is mentioned here, in the Supreme Court,
00:17 Arshad Sharif Khan said, "Why didn't you mention this and that?"
00:19 Look, if you talk to me about this and that,
00:21 you can't stop from 1947.
00:23 Whatever happens, I mean, all of them are my friends.
00:26 Personally, they are all my friends.
00:28 But you can't say that because it was then, it is still fine.
00:32 This is not possible.
00:34 What is wrong is wrong.
00:36 But no one is ready to stop it.
00:38 Exactly.
00:39 Mr. Ijaz.
00:41 Look, it is a very vicious circle.
00:45 And we have seen it very closely.
00:48 Let's say that the beginning of democracy,
00:54 or a new era, started after 1988.
00:58 If you look at it from that point of view,
01:01 then the two-year, two-and-a-half-year-long hurdles,
01:05 they had the same reasons.
01:08 You tried your best, when you were in the opposition,
01:12 to somehow, somehow,
01:14 to get rid of the leaders who are sitting there,
01:16 to fight them.
01:18 To hit them in the head and on the wall,
01:20 so that our path is clear.
01:22 So I tell all these politicians,
01:24 that you have a wall in front of you,
01:26 you can hit your head on the wall,
01:28 you have a door, you can go through the door.
01:30 So, the thing is,
01:32 look, they have said a very good thing,
01:34 that if the shop is open,
01:36 then the buyers will come.
01:38 But when the shop is closed,
01:40 half of them will retire,
01:42 then they will not understand.
01:44 But I will tell you one thing,
01:46 I will give you my own analysis,
01:48 I am sure that everybody can say
01:50 what they have to say on this.
01:52 Mr. Ijaz, in the 2018 elections,
01:54 for the first time, anti-establishment politics
01:56 was in Punjab, in the other provinces.
01:58 But despite their policies,
02:00 despite holding their hand,
02:02 Punjab's vote was given to some other party,
02:04 which was Nia Namaaz Sharif,
02:06 the centre of Punjab.
02:08 Even after the elections, in the by-elections also?
02:10 By-elections also, but in those elections,
02:12 we always thought that Punjab is watching the wind,
02:14 the people of Punjab are watching the wind,
02:16 the people of Punjab are watching who is making the government.
02:18 So, the place where the government is being made,
02:20 they go with it.
02:22 So, a lot of people in Punjab voted against the tide.
02:24 They voted against the wind.
02:26 Now, almost the whole of Punjab has become against the wind.
02:28 Because earlier, half of the people in Punjab
02:30 had prepared for it.
02:32 The rest of the people in Punjab,
02:34 the same justice had prepared.
02:36 So, now the problem is that voters have come to their places.
02:38 You are saying that the leader is not standing.
02:40 Look, you are talking about the leader.
02:44 When the leader himself
02:46 will establish such issues
02:48 that even after seeing it,
02:50 for a politician, I think
02:52 that this is a place of shame.
02:54 That if you see,
02:56 there is such leadership in this country
02:58 who is presenting himself like this
03:00 and what is being given to him,
03:02 he is accepting it like this
03:04 that then others
03:06 can clearly see
03:08 that this matter is
03:10 going wrong from somewhere,
03:12 strings are being pulled from somewhere,
03:14 this matter is going on like this.
03:16 Now, come to 2018,
03:18 everyone talks about RTS system.
03:20 What happened there was that from NA1
03:22 to Gujarat,
03:24 only one Jamaat was pushed.
03:26 Then someone realized that
03:28 if we bring only one Jamaat like this,
03:30 then the next one will not accept it.
03:32 So, in that,
03:34 it was said that here
03:36 50-60 seats should be given
03:38 to the other side also.
03:40 I am talking about Punjab more than the whole of Pakistan.
03:42 Then such districts went
03:44 where good people were sitting
03:46 and they said that take Sargodha,
03:48 take Sahiwal, take Bawalnagar,
03:50 take Rahim Yar Khan
03:52 till Sadqabad.
03:54 So, if one or two seats came out of someone,
03:56 then it came out, otherwise all of them
03:58 went in one direction.
04:00 Whether you call it the politics of GT road
04:02 which is now over.
04:04 Sargodha had 5 seats,
04:06 Aamir Cheema won in that recount,
04:08 otherwise all of them went to Noon.
04:10 I am telling you,
04:12 one Aamir Cheema,
04:14 one Cheecha was in Watni,
04:16 one was not in Bawalnagar,
04:18 maybe one half came out of Bahorpur,
04:20 one half came out of Multan,
04:22 or from Jamaluddinwali,
04:24 Ahmed Mehmood's seat came out.
04:26 All of them went to one Jamaat.
04:28 So, for these things,
04:30 because we ourselves accept its proposal,
04:32 then this happens.
04:34 The problem is that the proposal...
04:36 I am saying this for a long time,
04:38 that everyone will have to sit together,
04:40 this will have to be taken out,
04:42 there is a charter,
04:44 that will have to be done,
04:46 if it cannot be done, then you will have to do it.
04:48 Listen to me, sir,
04:50 you saw the politics of the last two years,
04:52 when this happened,
04:54 Mian sir said, "We have suffered,
04:56 now nothing has to change."
04:58 Now they are suffering.
05:00 When this party, Tarik Yen sir,
05:02 would have suffered,
05:04 they would have said,