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00:00 of updates Bajaj finance with Jeevan small angel broking surge on better than guided q3 updates
00:05 nifty it slips from morning highs to trade in the red on Morgan Stanley re-rating
00:13 LTI mindtree HCL tech and TCS extend losses
00:16 and interglobe aviation has withdrawn fuel fee on recent fall in jet fuel prices
00:24 so will other airlines also follow suit we'll find out
00:30 hello and welcome you're watching market iq on NDTV profit quick look at markets first you're
00:44 seeing you know markets showing some amount of strength resilience two-thirds of a percent higher
00:50 on the nifty 50 as we speak also with regard to the mid-cap as well as the small cap indices they
00:57 continue to outperform the benchmark index in terms of the gainers on the nifty today we are seeing
01:02 the likes of an ntpc up four percent you know all-time high for that stock you have the likes
01:09 of bajaj finance surging on the back of numbers you also have data consumer hitting its all-time
01:14 high three and a half percent higher on data consumers among the losers you have the likes
01:19 of an lti mindtree as well as hcl tech it continues to be the lagard there and bpcl also trading with
01:26 a cut of around 1.4 odd let's quickly look at the sectors as well you're looking at the nifty bank
01:32 which is up one percent as well largely in line with the broader markets you're seeing uh you
01:38 know some amount of red on the nifty it just a hint of red uh in fact as we speak but other than
01:44 that you're looking at the likes of a nifty reality which is surging six percent in trade nifty private
01:49 bank also gaining a percent or thereabouts let's also pull up the uh constituents of the nifty
01:54 reality because all of them have really hit it out of the park today uh you're seeing pretty much a
02:00 solid piece of green across the board four percent plus gains across the board on the nifty reality
02:07 uh you know and we will speak about that because we have a guest uh in store we have a bowman
02:15 rustom irani uh of uh who's the cmd of keystone realtors of course rustom g uh you know to talk
02:22 to us about what's happening what are the trends that's really shaping up in the real estate space
02:27 uh you know quickly to try and break that down uh smriti right uh before we move on to reality
02:36 and we'll discuss that further we i'd like to talk about energy sector now energy is also seeing a bit
02:42 of a uptick today with ntpc as you mentioned up four percent and the index is also up more than
02:48 more than a percent one of them is torrent power that is in focus the company has signed four mous
02:54 with the government of gujarat we have him on standing by to bring us more details on on that
02:59 himansh tell us a little bit about this mou what kind of uh what's the quantum of uh spends that
03:07 they are kind of looking for in the within the state of gujarat thanks britty uh so torrent
03:13 power has signed uh four mous with the government of gujarat ahead of the summit that's uh coming
03:19 ahead and this is for an aggregate total of about 47 500 crores and it's across uh the investment
03:26 plan encompasses your investment in renewable energy green hydrogen and power distribution
03:32 if one were to break down the 47 500 crore rupees it would go towards 3450 megawatts of solar power
03:39 projects 1000 odd megawatts of hybrid power projects and then associated infrastructure
03:44 and capex for about 7 000 megawatts of solar projects the company has an installed capacity
03:51 installed generation capacity of about 4 300 megawatts and its capacity under development
03:57 is about 1000 megawatts odd so this is three times that size which is significant and you're
04:04 seeing the stock you know gain about 13 odd percent and it's also up on volumes about 16
04:09 times their 30 day averages now what are the two key tailwinds ahead for this company firstly
04:14 increased contribution from the license uh distribution business and secondly the higher
04:18 contribution from the renewable business that they're largely expanding on right uh thanks so
04:25 much for that update uh you know torrent power flying away in trade nine percent higher on the
04:30 back of that piece of news but uh we are now joined by uh boman rustom irani who's the cmd at
04:38 keystone realtors and the president of credi to try and break down as to what exactly is happening
04:44 in the real estate space it's a buzz today uh good afternoon sir i am har side with me is smriti and
04:51 you know uh we'll try and uh break this down for our viewers better uh so sir talk to us about what
04:56 are the trends that are playing out in the real estate space because this space is absolutely a
05:02 buzz despite the fact that rates have gone up we are at a peak in terms of rates and uh you know
05:10 real estate is a key rate sensitive right so despite that we've seen a very strong both on
05:16 the commercial as well as residential demand uh coming in across the country it's secular
05:22 thank you harsh thank you smriti uh first of all uh happy new year and uh may 2024 continue to be
05:30 in the same stream that 2023 was uh especially for real estate sure especially for real estate
05:36 we've had a very good run in 2023 we believe that the consumer has realized that the prices that have
05:42 you know not significantly gone up means that the developers are holding the prices as of right now
05:48 the only price being passed on to the consumer is more to do with the inflationary inflationary
05:53 pressure and the you know materials cost and services costs that have gone up we are aware
05:58 that the compliances have also kind of improved and increased and all these while they're extremely
06:03 good for the consumer at the same point of time there's a cost increase also on their account
06:08 uh but what is driving the real estate uh business i can be i can tell you it is nothing to do with
06:13 only real estate it's got to do with the feel-good factor that is there across the across industries
06:18 like you just mentioned uh you know earlier in your report uh about thorn farm i'm so happy to
06:23 hear about their you know uh their their mou signing which is again going to need let's say
06:28 more uh people to come on the ground and set up base maybe more commercial spaces um there is a
06:35 growth overall whether it is cities or even tier one tier two towns uh you know credi had had a
06:41 report drawn up with liz's forest in which we predicted the nine new towns that are going to be
06:47 um going to be the the places where investment will see a huge growth indoor and kochi feature
06:52 in them uh so as of right now india is itself a bus and on fire and i think real estate happens
06:59 to touch every stream of your life and towards that uh our development fraternity which has
07:04 become a lot more organized than it was at least 10 years back is reaping the is reaping the benefits
07:11 on the back of a strong demand that has grown and another thing you know which i'd like to mention
07:16 for everybody is that about 1.5 crores is is uh considered as a luxury uh luxury homes or premium
07:24 homes across the country uh but one should be a little comfortable in knowing that 1.5 crores
07:30 in a mumbai or even a delhi or a bangalore or chennai does not make it a premium housing but
07:35 the sale of this segment is extremely huge and as far as the premium what we consider premium 10
07:41 crore plus homes have also seen a huge increase and i can talk about mmr alone we've seen about
07:47 1 27 985 so about 1 28 000 registrations take place in which i can tell you that uh the affordable
07:56 housing and the mid-mass which is the i would say one to three crore homes have seen the largest
08:01 part of the pie but what has happened with that is uh because the commercial uh because of the
08:08 premium houses having a higher ticket value they continue to steal the limelight right uh good
08:14 afternoon mr irani smriti this side and uh as you talked about the premium segment i'd like to
08:20 understand a couple of things within this segment now as you mentioned the demand uh has been on a
08:26 high but so has supply and there seems to be an increase in unsold inventory as well so what kind
08:33 of uh trajectory do you see going forward do you see kind of moderating a little bit uh how do you
08:40 see this playing out oh smithy uh first of all you know when when markets improve you have everybody
08:48 chipping in everybody stepping in everybody wanting to kind of have a piece of that pie
08:52 uh my assumption is when you say supply has increased it is more important to say good
08:58 supply should increase right because the customer has become extremely discerning as of right now
09:02 so in spite of uh all all the stock that you will see coming in the market i don't think all of it
09:07 is going to be something that uh my consumer is going to love consumer has become extremely uh
09:13 selective with what exactly he wants to buy and i can tell you in the premium segment
09:18 people are preferring gated communities where there is a lot more safety security
09:22 community developments where there is a lot more of uh you know connectivity with your with your
09:27 fraternity or with your the people living in your complex then of course people are seeing the
09:31 amenities people are seeing the reputation of the developer people are seeing what kind of long-term
09:36 uh i mean good titles are are available at the same point of time locational advantage with regards
09:42 to the infrastructure that is coming up in the area and again over here uh we are blessed in
09:47 the mmr that about three lakh crores has been expended or is being expended uh by the government
09:52 of maharashtra for impro improvisation of the uh infrastructure out here but i should say you know
09:58 quite uh quite uh clearly that the government as of right now is driving uh the economy in a large
10:07 way by spending heavily on infrastructure whether it be the uh you know delhi mumbai uh highway
10:13 whether it be the bullet train itself uh whether it be the ports that are coming up all these points
10:19 are going to become infrastructure uh i mean all these points are going to become huge places where
10:24 a lot of development will take place and these developments will not only be residential they'll
10:28 be commercial they'll be warehouses there'll be data centers there'll be senior living which is
10:32 again becoming a very big play uh there will also be uh student housing hostels that get created
10:38 outside of campuses because we're seeing a lot more people prefer that so while we at predi are
10:44 continuing to carry out studies uh so that our members uh tend to benefit from that development
10:49 i can just tell you in a nutshell that uh given the uh you know pace that we are seeing of the
10:54 change we are very hopeful that 24 will outgun 2023 and we will have a steady supply of good
11:01 inventory coming up in the market which uh you know your point about uh even the unsold inventory
11:07 it is probably the lowest in 15 years as a right right uh and uh you know to try and understand
11:13 or break this down a little bit better you spoke about the mmr region you spoke about infrastructure
11:18 development what are the kind of shifts in pricing that you are expecting on the back of that because
11:24 you know you have a city like bombay where uh you have a whole hog of infrastructure development
11:31 happening uh you know including uh the ceiling being extended uh etc and once all of those
11:38 uh infrastructure uh starts to come on par does that really mean that some of the suburbs
11:45 will see better demand uh trends and because your view and because rustom j has such a large presence
11:52 in bombay uh maybe you're the best person to ask this question too uh so will you see a shift in
11:58 pricing trends uh especially in certain geographies you know i i don't like i don't like prices just
12:04 rising uh abnormally and i'm glad that our developer fraternity has kept that in check
12:08 because when this happens it usually works out like a blip and you know then things come back
12:12 to a descent and it's not very very good for the developers uh but i can tell you this how contrail
12:17 your belief that the suburbs will benefit i think with the coming of the and pardon me city folk i
12:24 think the solo is actually going to benefit a lot more uh because uh if you see the shift of
12:29 development of residential that took place while uh you know lower parail became a husbust for
12:34 commercial activity a lot of people started living more towards uh bandra and uh you know those
12:39 locations where they found a lot more community developments going on there weren't any good
12:43 developments coming up in the city but now with the infrastructure growth and with the connectivity
12:48 to uh of the worldy ceiling getting extended all the way to the city i think what will happen
12:53 actually is that uh the hubs which are in town which were not being developed for a long period
12:59 of time are seeing a spurt of development and i think uh this will benefit uh those parts of the
13:05 city a lot more uh but yes you're right with the coming of infrastructure what we saw when the
13:10 andheri ghatkopar metro rail had started it wasn't that ghatkopar suddenly took the prices up it was
13:16 that both both areas andheri and ghatkopar were given a much more stable market to be in and a
13:21 preferred market to be in and that is by buying velocity that happened at both the ends and
13:26 everything that was along the way actually improved i think this city has got tremendous potential uh
13:32 mumbai uh is blessed with a coastline like no other city uh we should explore every avenue we've
13:38 got 150 year history we've got some of the best infrastructure whether it be electricity water
13:43 uh whether it just be the roads even today i would say that you know after traveling the rest of the
13:46 country uh of course as of right now because the infrastructure work going on there is a little bit
13:52 of a traffic jam but think of it three years hence when all these bridges are completed when all these
13:56 metro rails are completed you're going to have a fantastic time in the city something like the
14:00 mthl will just take off so much pressure from uh the mangkut area or the chembur area for people
14:05 who are traveling towards pune so all these things make me extremely hopeful about the entire
14:10 development of the city and uh we at rustamji are definitely uh uh you know taking all the right
14:17 steps to make sure that we are present in those where infrastructure spend is taking place where
14:22 infrastructure uh dividends will be uh seen in time to come and making our presence felt in those
14:27 areas and towards that we are also moving into the sobo area right uh let's uh you're talking so
14:33 much about demand let's talk about the ancillary sectors that may also see an uptick because of
14:39 this so maybe uh pipes paints and cement sector how do you see that uh this side this side of
14:47 real estate the ancillary sectors kind of uh playing out in the in next couple of quarters
14:54 i can say this to you quite clearly that cement and steel have been rocking it because of the fact
14:58 that you know infrastructure spend is so high and every every of those uh projects definitely
15:04 require steel and cement both right uh with regards to the other ancillaries whether it
15:08 is sanitary wear or whether it is electrical fittings or whether it is you know just doors
15:12 windows glass every one of those industries are benefiting and i mean you can see some of the new
15:18 listed entities that have come into the market as of right now they're all skyrocketing on the
15:22 on the back of this not only that i think you know green energy has started to play a very
15:26 important role in all our developments sustainable development has become the buzzword and has become
15:31 the mandate and we are very happy for it uh with the government as well and this also means that
15:38 a lot of new technologies are coming into play and all of these companies are doing extremely well
15:43 i can tell you we spend about 20 percent of our time personally in this office other than my
15:47 entire team uh to look at what is the next uh you know best we can do to make our homes more green
15:54 more sustainable and when i say sustainable you know people should get this right buying the
15:59 sustainable home might be a little more costly today but over the long run it will lead to a
16:04 huge benefit because your every uh your your of exhaust will come down tremendously and over time
16:11 it will well worth pay for itself more than that just having the pride of you know living in a in
16:15 a carbon neutral home which is again a credit initiative uh that we plan to achieve by 2050
16:20 and towards that you know one lakh homes have gotten signed or are in the process of getting
16:24 signed uh across various parts of the country we are also uh i think i'll be prematurely announcing
16:30 it but we're taking a lot more uh measures to be announced on the seventh in in varanasi where we
16:36 have a major uh conference where we are talking about all of these things as to how our industry
16:41 is going to become a carbon neutral and be as a matter of fact add to the flora fauna of our
16:47 country uh overall again i can say that all these industries that are in the new tech businesses
16:51 whether it's security whether it's uh car parking systems whether it is uh you know electrical
16:56 fittings that that that uh you know are power saving whether it is sanitary fitments that kind
17:01 of save us uh water all of these uh are going to just fly off uh and i if i were an investor
17:08 and in terms of investing in all of these right and uh so you know i'd like to cover a couple of
17:14 business uh you know which have been left out one is on the commercial real estate side uh
17:20 we've seen a large pickup in commercial real estate as well uh of course residential has
17:27 been doing quite well over the last couple of years but commercial has seen a bit of a pickup
17:30 across geographies uh so could you tell us uh what's happening on that count uh why do you
17:37 see such a large pickup and second is both commercial and residential is the entire real
17:42 estate space a secular trend now uh is it a multi-year a kind of an upcycle uh and will
17:49 balance sheets uh of specific players as well as the industry as a whole look very different
17:54 at the end of the next three to four years you're asking me to take a crystal ball and tell you
17:59 everything about real estate that's going to be difficult for anyone to do let alone me
18:03 but i'll try and touch upon your first point commercial real estate has become a very important
18:07 mainstay for most of the larger developers it isn't like there was not a demand for commercial
18:12 real estate there always was but there weren't the size of developments that we are seeing
18:16 nowadays taking place right uh and when you look at how commercial real estate used to get funded
18:21 earlier it used to come out of only debt and a developer today with a lot of developers having
18:25 the advantage of reaching out to reads and being able to kind of plan uh you know at least the
18:30 long term as to the outcome of what their projects are going to be it looks much uh easier and rosier
18:36 and we've had this uh request with with uh the various agencies over time that there should be
18:42 somehow a fractionalization of real estate the day that happens uh harshness 50 i can tell you very
18:47 clearly uh when that becomes mainstay when that comes to you know uh when every developer is able
18:53 to kind of reach out and fractionalize his real estate you will see a further growth because
18:58 real estate has been at the core of every indian's investment portfolio as a matter of fact historically
19:04 60 percent of indian wealth is created out of real estate and this alone uh makes it one of the best
19:11 and you know they say it's the only real real investment everything else is just uh in a way
19:16 you know a paper or a graph uh but i i think uh i would encourage investors to look at look at
19:23 the changing trends and be able to invest uh differently if not directly into real estate
19:29 as to buy the entire thing go into the fraction fractionalization real estate and then pick up
19:34 uh stake out there you know invest in uh invest in uh reads at the same point of time you know the
19:41 i'm very happy to see the kind of developments that are taking place on the commercial front
19:45 because it is commercial development that actually drives real estate and not the other way around
19:50 and with the number of companies that are looking at setting up base in india again this is
19:53 geopolitical factors worldwide it is leading to a huge demand and we are seeing certain states are
19:59 taking a march over the rest and uh this only speaks very highly of the administration of those
20:04 states and the way they are going about running for business and actually taking business so it's
20:09 actually become like a uh how do i say the state heads have started becoming business heads uh by
20:14 themselves and are looking at the long-term benefit of their state and are offering stops for people
20:18 to come and set up base out here maharashtra again is blessed to start seeing a lot of activity up is
20:22 seeing a whole host of new developments i can tell you recently what i saw for tamil nadu is also
20:28 great um telangana has has been a state that has been extremely uh you know strong and has been
20:34 doing a lot of good work uh surprisingly not surprising me quite quite uh this when i went to
20:39 uh west bengal i saw the kind of developments out there and i was pretty pleased um of seeing you
20:44 know a government that is absolutely interested in in making sure that they continue to be a part
20:49 or a relevant part uh on in the minds of the business people by the kind of schemes that they
20:54 have floated and uh making real estate a reality for for them right thank you so much mr rani for
21:01 being so comprehensive with us and uh sharing all your insights with us it was a pleasure having you
21:06 on the show once again all the best to all your viewers thank you very very much thank you now
21:11 let's take a break for now but do stay tuned we'll tell you about the only nifty 50 constituent to
21:16 gain over 100 percent in 2023 but all of this after the break
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23:53 welcome back you're watching market iq on ndt profit as promised the only constituent of the
24:00 nifty 50 to double in 2023 and it's tata motors a growing share in the electric vehicle space
24:08 strong product portfolio and the top pick for brokerages across the board uh by now of course
24:15 we've spoken about it tata motors is that name uh and it's had a stellar year in 2023
24:23 so uh to tell us more about all that's happening uh in tata motors as and what we can expect also
24:29 going forward himansh is joining us with all of those details thanks harsh uh so tata motors like
24:36 you mentioned the sole nifty 50 entity to return over a hundred percent returns in 2023 now the
24:43 stock is currently trading near its life high levels and if you take a look back i mean the
24:49 stock has delivered multi-fold returns in several years it's uh while it was up two times in 2023
24:55 it was up 2.6 times in 2021 five times returns in calendar year 2009 and 2003 it was up 2.3 times
25:03 now what's been working for tata motors is really its pv portfolio the passenger vehicle portfolio
25:09 which continues to report record sales now it's also capitalizing on the suv trend where in fi23
25:15 you saw 66 percent of its sales coming in just from the suv segment the ev which is a game
25:21 changer for this company and tata motors continue to hold its market leadership while it has been
25:27 eroding over time given the competitive intensity in this space it still maintains leadership with
25:33 with very robust models second is a consecutive year of surpassing half a million in passenger
25:39 vehicle sales and lastly it's on track to become a zero debt company and its debt servicing plans
25:45 are all going really well and credit rating agencies have also attested to that if we take
25:50 a look at the multibaggers pv portfolio you see the likes of altros tigor tiago nixon punch and
25:56 harrier whereas its ev portfolio comprises the likes of nexon ev tigor ev tiago ev and so on
26:02 the upcoming models in the ev portfolio this year are the likes of harrier ev and the curve ev now
26:08 the notable one is a curve launch which is going to be built from the ground up keeping the ev
26:13 model in mind whereas the previous models were all retrofitted uh to ice models to you know
26:20 present a ev model here but i curve ev is something definitely to watch out for then you
26:25 have ev contribution in terms of volumes you're seeing incremental additions of the ev to the
26:32 tata motors overall portfolio whereas in fi21 ev comprised of only two percent of its portfolio
26:38 in fi24 as of fi23 in fact it's about 30 naught percent so which is very significant in terms of
26:44 volumes you're seeing volumes jump up nearly 10 times from 4000 levels to about 32000
26:49 so about an 8 to 10 times jump that you're anticipating this year in terms of recent
26:54 issuer ratings on the back of its debt servicing plans you see on november 9 moody's upgraded the
26:59 ratings for this company to ba3 and the outlook continues to remain positive whereas s&p upgraded
27:05 the rating to bb plus which is positive so lots to watch out for in terms of its debt servicing
27:11 plans as well as its av launches coming up and tata tata motors like you mentioned continues
27:16 to remain a preferred pick amongst the pack right thank you so much himanj for that and that's all
27:22 that we have on market iq today but a lot more lots more coming up on ndtv profits stay tuned
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29:56 hi welcome this is ndtv profit and i'm alex matthew you're watching the mutual fund show
30:08 this is where we get you actionable insight to help you make the right financial decisions
30:13 now we've spoken about passive investing often on this program but today we're talking about
30:19 passive investing with a twist and the focus is going to be on a particular strategy that has
30:24 beaten the benchmark quite comfortably over the course of last year and indeed several times over
30:31 the course of the last three years now this is only one strategy remember so first we're going
30:36 to focus on what this twist in passive investing is all about and to tell you about that i'm joined
30:43 by chintan haria principal investment strategy at icsf prudential amc chintan thanks as always for
30:51 taking the time and for speaking to us on ndtv profit alex it's a pleasure to speak to ndtv
30:57 profit and in its new author and wishing all the viewers a very happy 2024 wish wish you and your
31:03 team and your family a very very happy 2024 now let me start by asking you what factor based
31:11 investing because that essentially is what this is all about of course it's been called various
31:15 things but ultimately it is it takes that plain vanilla passive strategy approach and it twists
31:23 it a little bit so how would you describe it yes so essentially uh investors are well aware of active
31:29 funds where the fund managers are choosing stocks on the basis of certain strategies someone may be
31:34 value someone may be growth someone has a quality tilt and in the last five six years the passive
31:39 funds as you mentioned have also grown traditionally passive funds were on the basis of market
31:45 capitalization so you had large cap passive funds mid-cap passive funds small cap passive funds
31:50 now in between the market capitalization based passive funds and the active funds globally