The Big Question: Learning multiple languages shows you ‘care’, says Nestlé Chairman

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The chairman of Nestlé, Paul Bulcke tells The Big Question’s James Thomas “To be part of or to really enjoy being in a country, there is no better way than speaking in the local language.”

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00:00 I'd rather be somebody who inspires than a boss.
00:02 The most difficult language is second one.
00:04 This is not a dash, this is a long distance run.
00:08 Welcome to The Big Question, the series from Euronews where we take a look at the world of
00:18 business, asking the industry's biggest yet simple questions. In this episode, we're joined
00:23 by Paul Bulcker, the chairman of Nestlé, to discuss if speaking multiple languages is an
00:28 important skill for international business. Paul, thank you so much for joining us. It's a pleasure
00:32 to have you. So let's dive straight in. How many languages do you speak?
00:37 Six, if I take Flemish and Dutch as one. French, English, Spanish, Portuguese and German.
00:44 That is impressive because I like to say, you know, I speak three, so I'm like doing pretty
00:50 well for myself, but you've just blown me out of the water there.
00:52 Well, it's not my intention, but look, six languages. First of all, I'm coming from,
00:58 originally from Belgium and there you start definitely with two minimum. And then through
01:04 all the countries I've been having the privilege of living, you take up the language and that's
01:10 how it came. They do say once you have one language, it's easier to learn the other.
01:13 Exactly. The most difficult language is second one. And not only for the knowledge of the language,
01:19 it's also the guts to speak it. And actually a certain healthy arrogance of speaking languages
01:25 comes after the second one, because they say, I've done that already one,
01:29 so the third one is going to work too. And it comes naturally.
01:32 So Nestlé is a global giant. How many countries do you operate in?
01:42 Well, I must say we have products in almost all countries and we have, let's say,
01:48 organization or people and give and take hundred, 50, 160 countries. We have factories in 90, 85
01:58 countries. We are a local, we call it, it's a global company. Yes, but so local. We are very
02:06 decentralized and that allows then also to be part of the country. And I think that's the strength.
02:13 We operate in all these countries because local employees for local consumers adapting the
02:20 flavors towards the local dimension. That's why we operate in so many countries.
02:26 So cast your mind back all the way to the beginning of your time at this company.
02:30 What was your first job at Nestlé and why was that appealing to you?
02:33 Well, first of all, you have to see how did I come in? And actually, my wife and I,
02:38 we know each other when we were very, very, very young coming from the same city. We want to go
02:42 abroad. And I had a friend who worked for the company, Nestlé, and talking about how international
02:49 and what Nestlé was doing and where. And we wanted to have a certain interest for Latin America. So
02:55 and as a result, I called Nestlé and I said, look, I have only a little bit of experience,
03:01 but my wife and I, we are very motivated to go somewhere else. The first interview came over
03:07 here and then, yeah, they sent me to Peru. And that's where it started. Actually, a few months
03:16 being in Europe to learn first what Nestlé is because I was not working for Nestlé at the time
03:21 and to learn also Spanish and then to Peru. And we landed there, my wife and I, together with
03:29 a daughter and a son of six weeks old landing. And that's where it started. And it was a journey
03:37 that has been very enriching ever since and never, never boring. We started Peru and then we went to
03:46 Ecuador. Then we went to Chile altogether, all 17 years and then came over back to Europe and
03:54 Portugal, then the Czech Republic, then Germany and then Switzerland. And now, yeah, 20 years
04:03 in Switzerland. You've worked in Nestlé since 1979. That's over 40 years. You've worked all
04:15 over the world in a variety of roles during this time. Do you think you'd have had such a long and
04:20 varied career had you only spoken one language? No, definitely not. I think the best if you go on
04:26 a journey like I did together with my wife from the onset and to be part of or to really enjoy
04:34 being in a country, there is no better way of speaking a local language. And it's the bridge
04:40 towards connecting well. So since then, you've been responsible for markets in Portugal, Chile,
04:46 Czech Republic, Germany, North America, Latin America. How has your language knowledge helped
04:51 you in each of these roles? If you go to a country in Latin America and speak, you speak Spanish,
04:57 people feel he's part of us. It helps also to understand, to feel much better the informalities,
05:08 the idiosyncrasies. So it makes actually that you work and what you can do and move is even
05:15 more relevant with the right feeling. And I think that's what languages do. It's not only
05:24 able to express yourself. It's much more understanding the feelings and emotions
05:31 much better. And I think it's very important. Also, when you work for a company like Nestle,
05:36 this is linked with consumers. And it is not only linked with language, it's also linked with
05:42 the local habits. So it opens all doors and makes you feel part of it. It creates acceptance
05:49 and it makes you so much more effective. Has it made you more effective at managing your staff,
05:55 for example? Oh, sure. When I lived in the countries. But that's also the company. You see,
06:02 we are, as I mentioned, very local. And so management, leadership, motivation is local.
06:11 Because also consumers, we live from consumers. So you better understand the feelings and the
06:17 expectations of the consumers. I must say on language, I was also in the Czech Republic,
06:22 only two years. And I tried to learn and I could say a few common things like good morning and all
06:31 that at the time. I had to go straight away there and the language is quite different.
06:36 But then I must say all what I said about having languages, I felt not having it.
06:40 You see, I got to reverse to speaking to a sales force, a group of people who normally
06:47 are motivating speech with a translator is totally different than just having the same language.
06:56 And you can talk and motivate and rally the people with a true translator, totally different. So you
07:03 really feel far away. Do you think it's more advantageous to learn maybe a very widely spoken
07:11 language like English or even, you know, French or Spanish, which lots of people speak, but maybe
07:17 it's more competitive because lots of people speak it? Or do you think it's better to maybe
07:20 try and learn a more niche language, which might make you more valuable, but maybe you'll have
07:25 fewer opportunities to use it? Well, it depends on what you want to do. If you want to go
07:30 internationally and with this exposure of different countries and all that you have,
07:35 it's quite handsome and useful to speak English because that's where you have the most
07:41 possibilities of connecting. If you are going to a country to stay, well, then not a bad thing to
07:48 learn the language, whatever big or small. Actually, the language I always wanted to speak
07:55 was Italian because of the noise, the aesthetics, the physics, the sound. And I learned Latin at
08:04 school. So you've been halfway there already. No, no, no, no, no. But I never was there to live.
08:12 But I'm sure after two or three months, we're gone flies, you see, because again, one language
08:19 helps the other language, you see, small or big languages. It's what do you want to do with it?
08:24 So I do feel where you're engaging and then you have interest to learn that language.
08:29 So I guess a big question here is we need to think about Europe as this dense,
08:35 varied linguistic landscape. So for someone wanting to work across the continent in business,
08:42 how important do you think it is for them to speak more than one language?
08:46 It's very important. You can say, well, I do it in English all and you're going to go along with
08:52 that. It's going to work. No, I, as I said before, if you if you have somebody who, who actually the
09:00 interest of learning is already breaching a lot with the local people, because you say, I do care.
09:06 I do an effort to be part of your country or your culture. Because is there another,
09:14 is there another expression of culturally what people are or regions or than the language?
09:21 And it matters. It helps. You can always get along with English, maybe in Europe. I think so.
09:28 But it is so much more of engaging, trying to speak the language or speaking the language
09:36 after a while. So it's like, yeah, in my eyes, a very clear thing.
09:48 So thinking back through your whole career, are there any other advantages you've gained,
09:52 you'd say, from speaking more than one language?
09:54 Speaking several languages helps you to really feel at home very fast when we travel. And you
10:02 hear and you connect so much easier. So social context in general, not only go into a country
10:06 and live there, but in general, that helps to to yet to connect and so much easier. And the kids,
10:14 the richness is also that you have your children and their children. They do speak by the nature of
10:21 the family, several languages from the onset. And there is no better way of learning languages when
10:27 you're very young. I mean, you're like a sponge and you see it. And so that's also a little bit
10:33 of a collateral benefit that because of our languages, the family, it has it has translated
10:40 into the whole family. And you have had a very long career at Nestle. So what is the secret to
10:52 a long and happy career? Enjoying it. Seeing it as a journey, loving what you do. So that actually
11:00 career is not really hard work. It is just part of your life and and that passion for you, for what
11:07 you do in a company that you can identify with, for the values and that you feel, hey, you feel
11:15 naturally good in there. And that combined then with your private life, in my case, having moved
11:20 to all these countries and kids and et cetera, and finding the right balance. In my case, also my
11:26 spouse and my wife, she was partner in crime, if you want to make this possible. We work quite hard,
11:34 but but but it's not work. It's part of a journey, part of your life, motivated, fulfilling. So
11:42 love what you do, like what you do. If you don't like what you do,
11:46 try to find ways of liking it or try to find something that you like.
11:52 Before you became chairman, you were CEO at Nestle. So do you have a particular
12:03 management philosophy or how did you try and be a good boss?
12:06 Good boss. What is boss? What is leadership? I'd rather be somebody who inspires than a boss. I
12:12 mean, to start with, when the rubber hits the road, somebody who leads then and say,
12:16 yeah, that's what we're going to do. We have to make decisions and all. And then also, I think
12:21 I've always said, never work for your boss. That sounds very strange, but work for the people
12:29 working for you, work with your colleagues. And we hope we can give you a boss that understands
12:35 that dynamics and knows to value you. Because if you work for your boss, you condition actually
12:41 yourself too much to one person. And actually, you have only one boss. It's your company,
12:46 the health and well-being and success of your company. And so and knowing that as a boss
12:52 helps you to be different as a boss. So I think that's the right way to see it.
12:58 So this brings me nicely to my final question. So you started as a marketing trainee at Nestlé
13:03 and then you climbed all the way up. So what advice would you give to other people starting
13:09 from the bottom and climbing up to the senior rank? First, know that this is not a dash. This
13:15 is a long distance run. And don't condition your professional happiness with the end station.
13:20 I want to be the CEO. There's only one. Condition your happiness with the journey.
13:28 Enjoy the journey and then see, love what you do, do it well. And but don't be anxious
13:35 always of the next step. Enjoy the now. Absolutely. It's been a pleasure.
13:39 Paul Volcker, Chairman at Nestlé. Thank you so much for joining us.
13:42 Thank you.
13:48 [BLANK_AUDIO]

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