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00:00 Assalamu alaikum, viewers. Today is Friday, the last program of the week.
00:15 Viewers, today our program has a lot of stories.
00:19 We will tell you which people have been ticketed by Noon League,
00:23 which PTI's opposite parties have been adjusted,
00:26 and what reaction is coming from the party.
00:29 Along with that, what is happening with the Kaaf League,
00:32 Pakistan Muslim League is going to be separated from Noon.
00:36 The dealings with IMF are going very well.
00:39 We have received a $700 million dollar investment from there.
00:42 $70 crore has reached the Pakistan treasury.
00:45 It will reach the next 24 hours.
00:48 We will talk about it in detail,
00:50 what will be the effects of this on the economy of Pakistan.
00:52 But first of all, viewers, you saw today's top story all day.
00:56 Supreme Court of Pakistan's three-member bench,
00:59 which is being headed by Justice Qazi Faiz Yusuf,
01:02 Chief Justice of Supreme Court of Pakistan,
01:05 along with his assistant, Ms. Hilali,
01:07 and Justice Mazlali is also present with him.
01:11 So, basically, the issue now in front of the Supreme Court is,
01:17 does Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf have their electoral mark,
01:22 or will Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf fight and win elections on 8th February without it?
01:29 Will Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf play without it?
01:32 We often use that as a star,
01:35 will Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf get their electoral mark,
01:38 or will Noreen Sahiba get it back?
01:41 Because you know, there was a decision,
01:43 which was also debated a lot.
01:45 Today, the Supreme Court heard in detail
01:49 that the lawyer of the Election Commission,
01:52 Mr. Makhdoom Ali Khan, is a very good lawyer,
01:55 he is heard a lot in the courts of Pakistan,
01:58 his influence and knowledge,
02:01 everyone believes that the case in which Makhdoom Ali Khan is present,
02:07 he makes very good preparations.
02:09 In comparison to him, viewers,
02:11 obviously, Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf's lawyer,
02:14 has got the time of tomorrow,
02:16 that the hearing will be again at 10 am,
02:18 and many points have been raised by the lawyer of the Election Commission,
02:22 all the answers to these questions will be given,
02:26 and obviously, there will be a debate on this.
02:28 But it seems that,
02:30 Mr. Chaudhary, it seems that,
02:34 Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf's lawyer,
02:37 sometimes it seems that,
02:39 he doesn't come to anyone's case in a sleep,
02:41 that he doesn't have such a complete preparation.
02:45 Many fundamental questions were raised there,
02:48 and the answers to them can be given there and then,
02:52 and a question was raised again and again,
02:54 that I was listening to the hearing today,
02:56 it was a very important point,
02:58 and all the judges raised questions on it,
03:00 that, this unopposed action is a very extraordinary action,
03:05 in any political party,
03:07 it means that,
03:08 there is no democracy in that party,
03:10 everyone is unopposed,
03:12 and there, no lawyer of Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf,
03:16 didn't get his case approved,
03:18 and obviously, he was getting up again and again,
03:20 and he had to ask questions on some issue,
03:22 or he had to register his point of concern there,
03:26 and he was doing that.
03:28 No one said,
03:29 that, you have 2-3 parties,
03:31 and you have some things in front of you,
03:33 that you can get their votes,
03:36 and you will know,
03:38 that the people of Pakistan Muslim League,
03:40 are they unopposed?
03:42 Their office bearers,
03:44 so all the details are there,
03:46 which were collected in the election commission,
03:49 that too, you can see on the screen,
03:53 Mian Mohammad Shabbaad Sharif Sahib,
03:55 is the President,
03:56 is unopposed,
03:57 Marjum Nawaz Sharif Sahiba,
03:58 Senior Vice President,
03:59 is unopposed,
04:00 Ahsan Iqbal Sahib Chaudhry,
04:02 Secretary General,
04:03 is also unopposed,
04:04 Atala Tariq Sahib,
04:05 Deputy Secretary General,
04:06 is also unopposed,
04:07 Mohammad Ishaq Dard Sahib,
04:09 Secretary Finance,
04:10 and Maryam Aurangzeb Sahiba,
04:13 Secretary,
04:14 all the information is unopposed,
04:17 apart from this,
04:18 the details that are in front of us,
04:20 the inter-party elections,
04:22 were held in the Pakistan People's Party,
04:24 we have told you about the Pakistan Muslim League,
04:27 the inter-party elections of the People's Party,
04:29 are held in 2021,
04:31 Bilawal Putto Zardari Sahib,
04:32 is the Bilal Muqabala Chairman,
04:34 Nayyar Hussain Bukhari Sahib,
04:35 Bilal Muqabala General Secretary,
04:37 Faisal Karim Qurni Sahib,
04:39 Bilal Muqabala Secretary,
04:40 information is also chosen,
04:42 similarly,
04:43 inter-party elections,
04:44 JUIF,
04:45 our respected Moulana Fazlur Rahman Sahib,
04:47 who is the head,
04:48 he is also chosen as Bilal Muqabala Ameer,
04:50 and with him is Senator Ghafoor Haidari,
04:53 he is also Bilal Muqabala General Secretary,
04:55 so when this question was raised again and again,
04:57 I was very surprised,
04:58 this was very information,
04:59 very common information,
05:00 that could have been shared,
05:02 that this is a very simple question,
05:05 that all political parties should ask for the same,
05:09 then a question was asked from the Chief Justice,
05:12 that it is not that you are discriminating against Pakistan Tehreek-e-Nasaf,
05:18 no one raised the question that,
05:21 the case of foreign funding against PTI,
05:25 the cases of other parties are also there,
05:27 no such thing was raised on that,
05:29 then such a heavy weight,
05:30 the lawyer who has been appointed,
05:32 Maqtoom Ali Khan Sahib,
05:33 this is very unprecedented,
05:35 this also wanted to be raised in my opinion,
05:38 that does our lawyers not have,
05:41 the election commission,
05:42 how much fees have they been given,
05:44 and obviously this is a very important point,
05:46 and Pakistan Tehreek-e-Nasaf is putting this allegation,
05:48 is claiming that,
05:50 if the election commission is a party against us,
05:54 then these were very important points,
05:56 which could have been raised,
05:58 let's see what happens in the morning,
06:01 Chaudhary Gulam Singh Sahib and Hassan Ayub Sahib,
06:04 you are both in Lahore again,
06:06 tell us how is the weather in Lahore,
06:09 has the smoke reduced,
06:11 has the clouds of smoke gone,
06:13 are the circumstances better there,
06:15 and Chaudhary Sahib,
06:17 I hope that you will bring Hassan Ayub Sahib,
06:20 the real Bat Kadhai this time,
06:22 because he says that there is a lot of problem with Bat Kadhai,
06:24 it is not known which is the real one,
06:26 then you know that the carrot halwa,
06:28 is a must in Lahore in winters,
06:30 so you must serve him,
06:32 first question to you Chaudhary Gulam Singh Sahib,
06:35 how do you see today's hearing,
06:37 the judges have given the time for the morning,
06:42 what do you think,
06:43 I think my observation on this is,
06:45 the case, the observation from the court,
06:49 keeping that in mind,
06:51 you can do your assessment on that,
06:53 but if the lawyers are from PTIK,
06:57 I don't think they will win the case,
06:59 the way they were preparing today,
07:01 I hope they are well prepared for the morning.
07:03 You see, the thing is Khawar Gommar Sahib,
07:09 that neither am I a lawyer,
07:13 nor is this my case,
07:15 but,
07:17 the work I have done today,
07:19 and the proceedings I have seen,
07:21 obviously, Hamid Khan Sahib,
07:23 is a very committed,
07:25 very convictionous,
07:27 he has a very strong standing,
07:29 he is a very strong person,
07:31 in the law profession,
07:33 but he is not a person who can argue in the court,
07:37 who will fight his case,
07:39 it is Ali Zafar,
07:41 who for 2 hours,
07:43 in Peshawar High Court,
07:45 gave the answer to all the objections,
07:47 unfortunately he was not in Islamabad,
07:49 he was in Lahore,
07:51 and he,
07:53 what is his name,
07:55 whatever it is,
07:57 he was a part of the system,
07:59 he was a part of it,
08:01 so he had to give the argument,
08:03 that is why he took time,
08:05 and yesterday morning,
08:07 the Chief Justice has told me,
08:09 that you should try to come to us in the morning,
08:11 and before noon,
08:13 or after taking out time,
08:15 Ali Zafar Sahib,
08:17 if he comes and argues here,
08:19 it will be more appropriate,
08:21 because the case is 100%,
08:23 on the merits,
08:25 the balance of the tilt,
08:27 is in favour of PTI,
08:29 and the Election Commission,
08:31 is on the wrong,
08:33 and PTI is on the right,
08:35 and they are being wrong,
08:37 they are being denied their due,
08:39 the actions that they are doing,
08:41 you have just read out the case of one party,
08:43 you are arguing,
08:45 that they have made it unopposed,
08:47 or opposed,
08:49 or opposed,
08:51 what is this going on?
08:53 I will ask Hassan Ayub,
08:55 it is not acceptable,
08:57 to the people of Pakistan,
08:59 he is making fun of us,
09:01 I am saying from the first day,
09:03 it is the job of the Election Commission,
09:05 to hold the elections,
09:07 and to get freedom,
09:09 and for everyone,
09:11 and I am saying this from the outside,
09:13 on the record,
09:15 that the elections should be credible,
09:17 and everyone should be accepted,
09:19 otherwise there is no election,
09:21 and this action should be stopped.
09:23 Before I go to you Hassan,
09:25 you were asked a question,
09:27 which was live,
09:29 and the lawyers of Akbar S. Bawar,
09:31 were also present there,
09:33 when the hearing was being concluded,
09:35 at that time,
09:37 a question was asked,
09:39 especially,
09:41 regarding the election symbol,
09:43 what was the question,
09:45 which was asked,
09:47 I will tell you that.
09:49 Hassan, today,
10:13 the chief justice,
10:15 and the other two members,
10:17 the focus was,
10:19 that if we want to strengthen democracy,
10:21 then we have to give freedom,
10:23 to the parties and the country,
10:25 to the democracy.
10:27 You can play on technical issues,
10:29 but eventually,
10:31 in the elections,
10:33 a party should have the right,
10:35 to elect its own representatives.
10:37 So, keeping today's proceedings in view,
10:39 since you have covered,
10:41 the Supreme Court of Pakistan,
10:43 for a long time,
10:45 what is your comment on this?
10:47 The way,
10:49 the chief justice of Pakistan,
10:51 without preparation,
10:53 like the person who wakes up,
10:55 and goes to the court,
10:57 the state of the lawyer,
10:59 was the same as that of the chief justice.
11:01 This is such an important case,
11:03 the party elections,
11:05 have come to the fore,
11:07 and the party's uniform symbol,
11:09 is the lawyer,
11:11 who is he? He is Magdoom Ali Khan,
11:13 the number one lawyer of Pakistan.
11:15 And your preparation,
11:17 is below zero.
11:19 When the lawyers will be presented,
11:21 then you will have to face,
11:23 such difficulties.
11:25 Today, luckily,
11:27 the whole society,
11:29 was watching,
11:31 it was live broadcast,
11:33 otherwise, people are still,
11:35 accusing the judges,
11:37 and the election commission.
11:39 No, no, no, no, no,
11:41 don't take the social media too seriously.
11:43 No, no, no, I will take it seriously.
11:45 There are many such things,
11:47 it is not like that.
11:49 Look, look,
11:51 when they didn't have,
11:53 answers to a few basic questions,
11:55 then, Mr. Khawer Ghoman,
11:57 you tell me,
11:59 how can you say,
12:01 that you have fulfilled the rights of your community?
12:03 Now, the uniform symbol,
12:05 is very important,
12:07 whether it is a bat or any other symbol,
12:09 it is very important for PTI,
12:11 but to adopt this kind of,
12:13 attitude on it,
12:15 you see,
12:17 it is a very serious matter.
12:19 And your candidates,
12:21 have to go to the election,
12:23 so if they don't get the uniform symbol,
12:25 then they will have to pay a cost.
12:27 And why will they pay a cost?
12:29 Because their voters haven't prepared.
12:31 Now, secondly,
12:33 a few questions that they asked,
12:35 you see,
12:37 when Mr. Faheed Sahib asked a question,
12:39 that there are many lakh members,
12:41 the registered members of PTI,
12:43 but what they did,
12:45 that their election commission,
12:47 should have 7 members,
12:49 but only one chief election commissioner,
12:51 who was Mr. Niaz Ullah Niazi,
12:53 he made the elections,
12:55 this has been revealed on record,
12:57 then he said, we will show the videos,
12:59 so he said, you are not a lawyer,
13:01 you are a registered election commission,
13:03 and if you want to run the videos,
13:05 then you have to show it to someone,
13:07 then you have to go out and show it,
13:09 in the court, it will be on record.
13:11 So it is also true that you have to run it on record,
13:13 and to show the court on record,
13:15 this is our duty.
13:17 Hassan, they have given the time in the morning,
13:19 the judge has given the time,
13:21 he said come at 10 in the morning,
13:23 but the preparation in the morning will be like this,
13:25 because if it was the first day,
13:27 which was the most important,
13:29 then you should have told me earlier,
13:31 that give me 3 days time.
13:33 I will tell you,
13:35 one argument was this,
13:37 because PTI was not noticed for today,
13:39 today only the election commission had been noticed,
13:41 so it will go on its own,
13:43 you know, on one occasion,
13:45 when Akbar S. Babar's lawyer went,
13:47 he said, why didn't you go to Peshawar,
13:49 the whole world had reached there,
13:51 why didn't you go,
13:53 he said, I was not noticed,
13:55 he said, all these PTI people have reached us,
13:57 but the PTI had not done anything,
13:59 so they have got the benefit of doubt,
14:01 they have got the time for preparation,
14:03 they will come in the morning,
14:05 but this is 100% correct,
14:07 100% correct,
14:09 I will tell you,
14:11 I will show you the line
14:13 of Hamid Khan,
14:15 you say the line.
14:17 I want to say the line,
14:19 that the way you said the notice,
14:21 and I fully agree,
14:23 that until the court does not notice anyone,
14:25 that person is not relevant,
14:27 he is not a party in that case,
14:29 so the D.B. of Peshawar High Court,
14:31 he has noticed 4-5 respondents,
14:33 without giving a notice,
14:35 so only this groundy,
14:37 that is, the sword is hanging on the bat,
14:39 Hassan, when this argument was made,
14:41 because we were present,
14:43 we were listening,
14:45 today it was all live,
14:47 we sat in the office and saw,
14:49 when this argument was presented,
14:51 then there were the remarks of the judge,
14:53 if anything was missed,
14:55 it does not matter,
14:57 let's move ahead,
14:59 today this issue of preparation,
15:01 when Hamid Khan left the court,
15:03 people were watching all day,
15:05 there was an impression that
15:07 you were not ready,
15:09 so when he was asked this question,
15:11 see his answer,
15:13 tell us, 22 crore people are waiting,
15:15 and you were saying that
15:17 we are not ready for the case,
15:19 obviously, yesterday only he gave the file,
15:21 and today he is saying that
15:23 we have to go to the case,
15:25 leave it,
15:27 let's see in the morning,
15:29 we will see tomorrow,
15:31 Hassan Ayub Ali,
15:33 tomorrow Pakistan will see,
15:35 the whole world will be tuned in,
15:37 obviously, it is a big issue,
15:39 a sensitive issue,
15:41 it is not surprising,
15:43 you know who is the lawyer in the competition,
15:45 who is the lawyer in your competition,
15:47 ideally,
15:49 ideally,
15:51 it should have happened,
15:53 there are good lawyers,
15:55 Khawar Guman,
15:57 he is killing people,
15:59 he is not forgiving the lawyer,
16:01 yesterday only he said,
16:03 Mazaher was a big judge,
16:05 his case was destroyed,
16:07 he was his lawyer,
16:09 Mazaher himself gave the file,
16:11 Makhdoom Ali Khan,
16:13 Mazaher himself ran away with the file,
16:15 let's move ahead,
16:17 a very interesting and interesting matter
16:19 came in front of us,
16:21 when while going,
16:23 you know that Qazi Faiz Issa
16:25 wrote a repeatedly,
16:27 he said that some people like this,
16:29 Nagwar passes,
16:31 but the question that comes to my mind,
16:33 then I ask,
16:35 and obviously,
16:37 whatever question comes,
16:39 I will ask,
16:41 so while going,
16:43 he asked a question to Akbar S. Babar,
16:45 can I ask you a question?
16:47 are you standing or someone is standing behind you?
16:51 I have been standing since 2014,
16:55 ok,
16:57 and in this,
16:59 if you have asked this question,
17:01 I will take permission,
17:03 ok viewers,
17:05 obviously,
17:07 Akbar S. Babar has given a good answer,
17:09 a lot of questions are being asked,
17:11 whether you will get the case or not,
17:13 and obviously,
17:15 PTA people are being asked,
17:17 if you don't get the case,
17:19 then you have some other options,
17:21 so Barrister Ali Zafar,
17:23 what answer are you giving,
17:25 listen to that also.
17:27 ...possibility that you take the sign of another party,
17:29 and fight the election,
17:31 like the pen of Sheikh Rashid's
17:33 Muslim League,
17:35 why not?
17:37 If God forbid,
17:39 the symbol is not given to us,
17:41 there are many things in it,
17:43 which I know,
17:45 but I cannot discuss with you,
17:47 your question was,
17:49 legally,
17:51 your answer is yes,
17:53 that it can happen,
17:55 but what we will do,
17:57 that is later.
17:59 Viewers, we have talked a lot about this issue,
18:01 in relation to Bala,
18:03 Hassan Yook's assessment,
18:05 still 50-50,
18:07 after today's hearing,
18:09 the case could go either way,
18:11 or...
18:13 ...the thing is,
18:15 the merits of the case,
18:17 yes or no,
18:19 the merits of the case,
18:21 I will say,
18:23 that the question of Bala's existence
18:25 is not raised,
18:27 but, because there are elections,
18:29 and you know,
18:31 there are poor people,
18:33 and the burden of their poverty is also there,
18:35 if you see,
18:37 I am saying, yes or no,
18:39 I will talk according to my own opinion,
18:41 if we talk about the merits,
18:43 and the Supreme Court,
18:45 will decide only after seeing the merits,
18:47 then I am saying,
18:49 that Bala will not remain,
18:51 the question of Bala's existence is not raised,
18:53 because in their own intraparty elections,
18:55 there is a lot of confusion,
18:57 plus the places where the elections were held,
18:59 that area was unknown,
19:01 that ground was unknown,
19:03 and when their 3 lakh members,
19:05 those members,
19:07 those members,
19:09 those members don't even know the place,
19:11 where the elections are being held,
19:13 where they have to cast their votes,
19:15 and without casting their votes,
19:17 the decision on the merits will not be made,
19:19 so keeping this in mind,
19:21 and seeing Noreen's grievance,
19:23 and seeing Noreen's grievance,
19:25 Bala may not remain,
19:27 Noreen is in a mood to put a lot of money in the morning,
19:29 Chaudhary Gulam Sain Sahib,
19:31 your final thoughts,
19:33 first of all,
19:35 when it is unopposed,
19:37 then the voters have to cast their votes,
19:39 not everyone knows that it is unopposed,
19:41 when the second panel is not present,
19:43 ok viewers,
19:45 this morning,
19:47 number 1,
19:49 number 2,
19:51 the hearings that I am seeing today,
19:53 I have said before,
19:55 that I am a layman,
19:57 a political observer,
19:59 but the court,
20:01 I expect that the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
20:03 Qazi Faiz Isa,
20:05 and his fellow judges,
20:07 they will want to see the
20:09 democratic process in the country,
20:11 and they will want to cast their votes,
20:13 and the election means,
20:15 inclusive of all parties,
20:17 along with their symbols,
20:19 so I think that
20:21 it is not 90%,
20:23 but 100%,
20:25 as the elections are being held,
20:27 all the parties and their symbols
20:29 will be present.
20:31 Viewers, Mr. Chaudhary's opinion,
20:33 the fun will come only when
20:35 there is a fight in the field,
20:37 Mr. Khabar Gowand,
20:39 the fun will come only when
20:41 there is a fight in the field,
20:43 and then there is an election,
20:45 the fun of the election,
20:47 for that flavor,
20:49 you are a political know-how,
20:51 a political observer,
20:53 you are talking like a commentator,
20:55 viewers, the thing that we have also understood,
20:57 that you know,
20:59 there are more than one attempt to hold elections,
21:01 we will talk about that,
21:03 today another resolution has been submitted
21:05 to the upper house senate,
21:07 to delay it for at least three months,
21:09 we will talk about that too,
21:11 but the stone has been laid by
21:13 the respected judge Faiz Isa,
21:15 this decision, which is going to be
21:17 elected on 8th February,
21:19 and even today he spoke,
21:21 he said, we have been sitting all day,
21:23 we are ready to sit all night,
21:25 we have asked the lawyer,
21:27 when do you want to come prepared?
21:29 He said, tomorrow,
21:31 first he said Monday,
21:33 then he said, we will stay,
21:35 it is the decision of the Peshawar High Court,
21:37 then you will have the symbol,
21:39 then it was decided that in the morning,
21:41 anyway,
21:43 it has been subdued,
21:45 the election commission has reached,
21:47 viewers, this hearing will be held again
21:49 at 10 in the morning,
21:51 this case will be heard,
21:53 you know, this is my opinion from the first day,
21:55 that, we will get a political party,
21:57 because in the history of Pakistan,
21:59 this has never happened before,
22:01 the symbols were taken,
22:03 but the electors were given,
22:05 if tomorrow, this election symbol
22:07 is taken from PTI,
22:09 it means that PTI as a registered political party,
22:11 with the election commission of Pakistan,
22:13 they will not be able to participate
22:15 in the elections,
22:17 then, obviously, all their people,
22:19 as free and hopeful,
22:21 will be on the ballot,
22:23 on the bucket, on the clock,
22:25 as Hassan said,
22:27 on the oven flat,
22:29 obviously,
22:31 they will take their own signs,
22:33 and will get down to the ground,
22:35 will there be a difference in the clock?
22:37 we will tell you tomorrow,
22:39 on Monday,
22:41 there will be a difference in the thumb,
22:43 and the clock will be of the crown prince,
22:45 I think,
22:47 the whole world is watching,
22:49 if we want economic stability in Pakistan,
22:51 then political stability is very important,
22:53 the whole world is telling us,
22:55 our friends, the international observers,
22:57 are telling us,
22:59 that an all inclusive election,
23:01 and an all inclusive election,
23:03 should take place,
23:05 all inclusive election,
23:07 means that all people should get
23:09 a free and fair chance,
23:11 and the law of Pakistan is very clear,
23:13 that the people of Pakistan,
23:15 they have this option,
23:17 that will the PM of Pakistan,
23:19 become our constitutional judge for the fourth time,
23:21 will Bilawar Bhutto Zardari,
23:23 go to the mosque,
23:25 and there should be no discrimination,
23:27 yes, absolutely,
23:29 or the government should say,
23:31 that what is the use of unopposed,
23:33 because this is not a fire party,
23:35 so they are wrong,
23:37 so this is the whole matter,
23:39 viewers, we will go to the break,
23:41 they are wrong, they are very wrong,
23:43 why?
23:45 they are wrong,
23:47 they have also opposed,
23:49 they have submitted,
23:51 this is a constitutional election,
23:53 and the thing is,
23:55 this is a constitutional election,
23:57 so,
23:59 Hassan, this is right,
24:01 a supplementary question for you,
24:03 suppose,
24:05 the signs of flats come,
24:07 so there will be Murree flats,
24:09 and Avonfields,
24:11 but you have seen both,
24:13 Mariam and Hassan,
24:15 some people asked me,
24:17 on whom should we fight the elections,
24:19 I said, we should fight the elections on the clock,
24:21 so I said, the clock is a very powerful thing,
24:23 so viewers,
24:25 we have to go to the break,
24:27 after the break,
24:29 efforts are being made in the country,
24:31 to make Mulkhabad a Multi-Vikar,
24:33 a new contract has been submitted,
24:35 but the Senate is not being convened,
24:37 so whenever it is convened,
24:39 it will be taken up,
24:41 and a lot of work has been done,
24:43 certainly, it is a very important development,
24:45 it is the Supreme Court's decision,
24:47 history has been made,
24:49 all the matters are moving forward,
24:51 but despite all this,
24:53 when developments like this happen,
24:55 and the upper house,
24:57 obviously, represents the Federation,
24:59 the Senator sitting there,
25:01 today, the one who is speaking
25:03 in front of us,
25:05 Senator Hidayatullah,
25:07 obviously, he is from Fata,
25:09 he is speaking about the Mulkhabad,
25:11 he is speaking about Article 9,
25:13 he is also responsible for the safety of our lives,
25:15 what is he presenting,
25:17 we will talk about it after the break.
25:19 Welcome back viewers,
25:23 today, when the resolution was submitted,
25:25 in the upper house,
25:27 in the Senate,
25:29 as breaking news,
25:31 Senator Hidayatullah has submitted this resolution,
25:33 he is saying,
25:35 his argument is that,
25:37 it is very important for the elections in the country,
25:39 but along with this,
25:41 the safety of our lives is also the responsibility of the state,
25:43 he has said a few things,
25:45 recently,
25:47 a free candidate,
25:49 was recently killed,
25:51 one of his legs was injured,
25:53 and there are some firing incidents,
25:55 he is also saying in his resolution,
25:57 that on the basis of daily,
25:59 the candidates,
26:01 their pamphlets are being sent,
26:03 they are being threatened,
26:05 and we cannot campaign in our environment,
26:07 nor can we go to people,
26:09 so, our safety is also the responsibility of the state,
26:11 he has mentioned Article 9,
26:15 he has said,
26:17 there are no two opinions in this,
26:19 that this is the fundamental responsibility of the state,
26:21 that the elections should be on time,
26:23 but along with this,
26:25 the safety of our lives is also the responsibility of the state,
26:27 so this is his argument,
26:29 Mr. Chaudhary Gulam Sain,
26:31 do you see,
26:33 that the pamphlets are being left for a few days,
26:35 sometimes for 3 months,
26:37 sometimes for 6 months,
26:39 then Moulana Fazlur Rahman,
26:41 supports this,
26:43 he says, what difference will it make,
26:45 will the doomsday come,
26:47 if the elections are postponed,
26:49 because he says,
26:51 I cannot go to the elections,
26:53 he has a friend,
26:55 Alia,
26:57 who he interviewed,
26:59 he said,
27:01 he will tell you,
27:03 so what do you think,
27:05 is this atmosphere being created on purpose,
27:07 to delay the elections,
27:09 because obviously,
27:11 a senator has to present a statement,
27:13 you know,
27:15 this statement has already been passed,
27:17 and when the statement is passed,
27:19 it is sent to all relevant bodies,
27:21 and it is sent,
27:23 that this is the sense of the upper house,
27:25 take a notice of this.
27:27 If you allow me,
27:29 by all means sir,
27:31 so the point is,
27:33 don't mind,
27:35 I want to say what I think,
27:37 I said this yesterday,
27:39 I am saying this openly,
27:41 a Muslim League leader,
27:43 who was the leader of the previous village,
27:45 and there was a bridge between them,
27:47 he,
27:49 he,
27:51 he,
27:53 he,
27:55 he,
27:57 he,
27:59 and he was a major role of these two parties before Shabaz Shaikh and Noah Confidence.
28:06 I am not going into that, I will make it straight. They have said that all the districts of Pakistan
28:13 are not in a position that they are winning in a particular district. This is the situation
28:25 and they all want post-government elections. At least expulsion of PTI and BALA.
28:32 I don't know what you are saying. They don't want all the elections.
28:38 So you think that these senators are presenting their candidates.
28:44 You think that the support base is in your view, the big political party which is being claimed.
28:48 All of them are.
28:49 Ok, very interesting.
28:52 People's party has again made some distance. They think that for BALA, middle of the way
28:59 there will be no way out. Neither PTI nor any other.
29:04 So BALA can become PM in this situation. Because in Sindh, in many districts, there is a solid base.
29:11 Now that has also eroded. This is still alive, this is still to be seen.
29:17 So they are saying that elections should be held on time and everyone should get a chance.
29:22 They are sitting on loan. In Kambat, PTI and BALA should be thrown in the rubber jam.
29:33 Ok viewers, this decision will be taken by the Supreme Court in the morning.
29:37 That BALA will remain as an election symbol with Pakistan's Tehreek-e-Inshaaq.
29:41 In Lahore, BALA-BUTO issue is present at the moment.
29:44 Today, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Minhaj-ul-Quran is at the headquarter of Malta.
29:50 They visited there.
29:52 Pakistan Awami Tehreek is also a political party.
29:55 They also held a press conference there and said that we will end the division of politics in the country.
30:01 Hassan Ayub, do you think that these efforts are being made again and again?
30:05 One resolution has been passed, one resolution has been presented.
30:08 And of course, Maulana Fazl-e-Iman, an important political leader of Pakistan,
30:13 who had just left and has returned to Afghanistan,
30:16 he is also seen supporting such resolutions.
30:19 So, elections being held on 8th February.
30:22 At first, you thought that it would be held, but for some time now, you are saying that it will not be held.
30:27 It will be held on 8th February.
30:28 Is there any change of mind or flame in this regard?
30:31 No, Inshallah, the elections will be held on the date announced.
30:37 But I told you last time that this was a detailed incident that the Chairman of the Senate had put forward.
30:42 Now, the same incident, which was detailed, is being put forward in a slightly more detailed way.
30:48 If we are to speak the truth, then there are some security issues.
30:54 There is no other opinion on this.
30:55 Like Daesh, which is a little bit activated, and they have set a target list,
31:01 in which, God forbid, Maulana Fazl-e-Iman is number one.
31:04 And in the same way, TTP has also set its target, which is in the pamphlet,
31:09 which has also been distributed in some places.
31:11 There is no other opinion on this.
31:12 But the fact is that there were more security issues in the past than all these threats,
31:18 and elections were held.
31:19 Now, delaying the elections is against the national interest,
31:24 and especially the current Chief Justice and the senior judge,
31:28 both have given a loud message that the elections will be held on 8th February.
31:34 Now, the security that has to be ensured,
31:36 that has been a clear message from the Core Commander Conference.
31:39 What is Sadiq Sanjrani Sahib saying?
31:41 You have not explained this yet, that this is a detailed incident or a detailed incident.
31:45 Sir, I will complete the sentence.
31:46 What is he trying to do?
31:47 Look, the Core Commander Conference has stated in a very clear and concise manner
31:52 that wherever the Election Commission needs security,
31:55 then the Armed Forces, the Pak Army will provide its security services.
32:00 So, where the Armed Forces, the Pak Army is providing security services,
32:05 then the dangers there are below zero.
32:08 As far as Sadiq Sanjrani Sahib is concerned,
32:11 then Sadiq Sanjrani Sahib or Hidayatullah Sahib or his other group,
32:15 I don't know what is the reason behind this incident.
32:18 And what is the reason?
32:19 Their agenda, they have their own agendas,
32:22 and they put in small incidents with their own agendas.
32:25 Let's see, in the coming days we will find out how their incidents are done.
32:28 In the coming days, if we remember that it was the election of Sadiq Sanjrani Sahib,
32:31 there were cameras in that election,
32:35 later he became the Chairman Senate,
32:37 and then he said that I have made a committee,
32:39 and then that committee will probe this matter.
32:42 And the PDM government came, and the PDM government sat for 18 months.
32:46 Yes, the PDM government came, the custodian of the house was here,
32:50 the chairman of the senate was here.
32:52 I am saying that they had to investigate all the cases,
32:54 they did not investigate the RTS, nor did they investigate the election.
32:58 There was hope, because you know the first one, all of them,
33:01 the custodian is the chairman senate, even today.
33:03 Yes, Jai Sahib.
33:04 Respected, you are a well-informed journalist,
33:10 but tell me, you have to get the elections done,
33:14 till now the district administration and the police have not been told
33:18 that this security has to be done, this will be done, that will be done, etc.
33:22 On the ground, in the whole of Punjab, no one has been told that the elections are on 8th February,
33:27 so you do this from now, because there is a lot of exercise in it,
33:31 and a lot of time is needed.
33:33 So what is the reason?
33:35 And many people are beating in front of the camera,
33:38 but there is no campaign going on on the ground,
33:42 nor are their people being asked.
33:43 Let's see.
33:44 So what is this bank doing?
33:46 Tomorrow it will be clear, viewers,
33:48 the case in the Supreme Court is obviously there,
33:50 you talk about the PTI level playing field again and again.
33:53 The Supreme Court is not for post-parliament.
33:55 No, no, not at all.
33:57 I am talking about the election commission.
33:59 Mr. Khawer Govind is talking about the level playing field,
34:03 because these poor people want to become poor,
34:05 they are playing the card of unemployment.
34:07 Absolutely right.
34:08 And they will not get this card, nor will they get its advantage.
34:14 Let's move on to the next story.
34:15 The last day, you must have seen that our respected Mr. Nawaz Sharif,
34:20 walked to Mr. Chaudhary Shah,
34:25 obviously he inquired about his health,
34:30 talked for a while, met him, he was very good.
34:33 After that it was found that Mr. Allah,
34:36 the Kaaf League and Noon League will adjust on some seats.
34:40 Today you saw, viewers,
34:42 Pakistan Muslim League, Kaaf,
34:44 Mr. Chaudhary Shah is being attributed a statement,
34:47 which we will put in front of you.
34:49 According to that statement,
34:51 the Noon League is being forced to adjust the seats, Mr. Chaudhary Shah.
34:55 The Kaaf League has forced the adjustment of seats from the Noon League to its own extent, Mr. Chaudhary Shah.
35:01 They will not let their candidates be a victim of double standards.
35:05 Noon League, Salak Hussain, Shafay Hussain,
35:08 against them also issued a ticket to their candidate, Mr. Taraq Bashir Cheema.
35:12 Our candidates will stand where they stand, we will also stand there,
35:18 this is what Mr. Chaudhary Shah said.
35:20 In comparison to our other candidates,
35:22 Noon League has issued a ticket, Mr. Chaudhary Salak Hussain.
35:25 Only to their own extent, seat adjustment is not acceptable.
35:29 Mr. Chaudhary Ghulam Shah,
35:31 Mr. Chaudhary Parvez Lahi and Mr. Mohanaz Lahi,
35:36 they often say to their cousins and uncles,
35:39 I think they are uncles, Mr. Mohanaz and Mr. Shahzad,
35:42 they say that you will not get any benefit from this,
35:46 you can go as close to them as you want,
35:48 you will not get anything,
35:49 so it seems that their assessment is proving to be correct.
35:51 So, this news is in the Al-Hawr.
35:54 That's it, bye bye, between Kaaf League and Noon League.
35:59 We cannot rule out, it is possible that there will be a meeting again.
36:04 I have already told you,
36:06 you are not taking into account our experience,
36:11 nor long standing in the profession.
36:14 Your order is right in front of us.
36:16 You start playing your own drums,
36:19 you start saying, it's here, it's here, it's here.
36:22 So, leave this,
36:26 the rest of the politicians are playing their own drums.
36:31 You have to keep the situation in two parts,
36:35 one is, the free, fair, impartial election has not been announced yet,
36:40 and here, on such a big channel,
36:43 ARY is a big channel,
36:45 and it has a lot of impact.
36:47 If I say a sentence here,
36:49 the whole world responds.
36:51 I would say that even 1% of the observers do not agree
36:56 that you are doing a free, fair, impartial election.
36:59 And whatever is happening with the people,
37:01 it is in front of everyone.
37:03 Number two, their campaign is not visible.
37:07 Now I have given you another very important news,
37:09 because we do not have news,
37:11 so I will explain it to you,
37:13 you can leave it here and there.
37:15 The administration and police are still preparing,
37:19 they have not been given any order or direction in writing,
37:22 that you have to attack the election on 8th,
37:26 you have to do this, you have to do that,
37:28 there is a whole drill,
37:29 why are they not preparing?
37:31 The whole time, the election commission,
37:33 take this, take that, take that,
37:35 take this, give that,
37:37 this is happening, this is happening,
37:39 they are doing this.
37:41 Why are they not visible?
37:43 Mr. Prime Minister, the election commission has given a schedule,
37:46 it has to be followed,
37:47 there will be elections on 8th.
37:49 Hassan, you were shaking your head,
37:51 you are saying that the kafli will settle the matter with them.
37:55 I got such an impression from your shaking your head.
37:58 Yes, yes, yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely.
38:01 Look, the thing is that Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain,
38:04 the seats that were promised to him,
38:08 all those seats have been fulfilled by his promise.
38:13 But his demand is about some additional seats.
38:17 The demand that was not fulfilled,
38:22 was not fulfilled.
38:24 But the promises that were made,
38:26 those promises have been fulfilled,
38:28 including, which is very shocking for me,
38:32 honestly, on a personal level,
38:34 and contrary to my knowledge,
38:36 that the ticket for Nawab Sher Waseel,
38:39 that was being told inside,
38:42 that Nawaz Sharif has vetoed it 100%,
38:45 but even then,
38:46 it means that the power is on the issue of the distribution of tickets,
38:50 that the one who has vetoed the decision of Nawaz Sharif and Maryam Nawaz,
38:54 so veto the decision, veto it again.
38:56 So veto the decision, veto it again.
38:57 Fear God, why are you scaring people?
38:59 Our Tahiyyat Qaid,
39:01 you are saying that there is something more powerful than them in the Noon League,
39:05 that the final veto of the Tick-Tock decision,
39:08 that is also from the family.
39:10 He is also from family.
39:12 But on the issue of these tickets,
39:14 according to the information,
39:16 Shabaz Sharif and Rana Sanaullah have dominated.
39:19 Hassan Ayyub, the people of Pakistan,
39:22 the people of the world,
39:23 want to hear again,
39:25 that a decision was vetoed by our respected Tahiyyat Qaid,
39:28 Nawaz Sharif,
39:30 Maryam Sahiba,
39:32 and you vetoed it twice,
39:35 and still that decision was changed.
39:38 Because on a daily basis,
39:40 you tell us that Talal Chaudhry is getting the tickets,
39:43 100%, 200%, 300% you are getting.
39:46 Yes, absolutely.
39:47 I am telling you that for me,
39:49 this decision of the ticket is shocking.
39:52 And I was not expecting that this decision would come.
39:55 Hassan Ayyub, congratulations.
39:58 I think your circle is closed,
40:02 or tell me that Ghulam Sarwar Khan has got the tickets,
40:05 if I am not wrong.
40:07 Look, it is not appropriate to talk about this circle,
40:12 because my elder brother is doing an applicant and election contest from there.
40:16 So I will not talk about that.
40:18 See, people in the family do it.
40:20 You being a political commentator,
40:22 we want to know from you,
40:23 what is this?
40:24 Your uncle is fighting in your family,
40:26 your family is in politics for decades,
40:29 they keep fighting in elections,
40:30 but people want to hear from you,
40:32 that tomorrow you will say that I will not comment on that,
40:35 it is not like that,
40:36 please comment, do it openly.
40:38 I mean, this is on social media.
40:40 Listen to me,
40:42 the situation on social media right now,
40:47 I will tell you a statement,
40:50 that if Nawaz Sharif's tongue is not shut,
40:53 then it will not be pulled.
40:54 Ghulam Sarwar has a past statement,
40:56 Khwaja Asif, our Sialkot guy,
40:58 is talking about the heart.
40:59 The kind of conversation Ghulam Sarwar used to have,
41:03 and what he did with civil aviation,
41:05 or with PIA,
41:07 I think that accepting him,
41:10 or leaving him empty for some other party,
41:13 will definitely be embarrassing for us.
41:15 Let's go, viewers,
41:17 we have to go to a break now,
41:19 and after the break,
41:20 we will talk about some of Pakistan's economy.
41:21 Stay with us.
41:23 Viewers, welcome back.
41:27 Ghulam Sarwar Khan,
41:29 who took off with Pakistan International Airlines,
41:33 during the PTA era,
41:35 he gets credit for that.
41:37 He has also given a statement about Nawaz Sharif,
41:40 he will keep it in front of you.
41:42 Look at this,
41:43 Nawaz Sharif's tongue,
41:45 I have a memory of the Taha,
41:47 I can't even read this statement.
41:49 Ghulam Sahib, if you want to read Hassan Ayub's,
41:52 you can read it.
41:53 Viewers, who know Urdu,
41:54 you can read it.
41:55 He is saying,
41:56 I can't read this statement.
42:00 Hassan Ayub,
42:02 Look,
42:03 He has given a lot of statements.
42:06 You have clarified it yourself,
42:09 your brother is on the MPA ticket.
42:13 In this regard.
42:16 No, I don't think he is on the ticket.
42:18 He is going to Azad.
42:20 He will contest.
42:22 Earlier, he contested through Muslim Jinnah Nawaz,
42:25 and he had almost got the ad,
42:28 that you want to contest the election.
42:30 But now he is going independent.
42:32 So, this,
42:33 Chaudhary Ghulam Sarwar Khan,
42:35 you are in Lahore,
42:37 you didn't ask what happened.
42:39 Here, the Tahiyat Qaid didn't veto us.
42:42 Look at the party.
42:44 What do you want to take in front of people?
42:46 What statements will you take?
42:48 What reasons have you made?
42:50 This means that,
42:51 the deal-making that took place during the PDM government,
42:54 then people's statements are true.
42:56 Commitments have been made.
42:57 As Khawaja Hassan is saying,
42:59 then the commitments will have to be fulfilled.
43:02 No, no,
43:03 What commitment has Ghulam Sarwar Khan made?
43:06 The government left,
43:07 and then he was coming with the Lahore army on 25th May,
43:10 was blocking the motorways.
43:11 After 9 months, he left the PTI.
43:13 What commitment does he have?
43:15 He didn't make any commitment to Ghulam Sarwar Khan,
43:18 that he would be loyal to him.
43:20 These are some of the things that he himself will tell us.
43:23 He left the field,
43:26 but,
43:27 because the biggest news of today is that,
43:31 someone is vetoing the Tahiyat Qaid's decision.
43:34 Chaudhary Ghulam San,
43:35 I hope you are present on your seat.
43:38 Obviously, you are sitting in the room next to you,
43:41 Hassan Ayub.
43:42 You are drinking water.
43:43 Are you nervous after hearing this news?
43:46 Ghulam Sarwar Khan,
43:50 I know both of them,
43:52 Ghulam Sarwar Khan and Nawaz Shiv.
43:55 Because,
43:56 Nawaz Shiv and his daughter,
43:59 Maryam,
44:00 who is a rising politician,
44:02 Maryam Nawaz,
44:04 these two,
44:06 from Nisar Ali Khan to Nafrat,
44:10 they have reached the enemy.
44:12 To bring them down,
44:14 they think that there is no better candidate than Ghulam Sarwar.
44:17 I am giving my opinion.
44:19 That is why,
44:20 there are more,
44:22 Rana Sinawala says that,
44:24 we have been given a list of 17 people,
44:26 that you have to accommodate them.
44:29 We cannot say that we will not accommodate them.
44:31 Because, these are the people,
44:33 who have given us this list,
44:36 who have made us successful in our efforts.
44:39 This is it for today.
44:42 This is the weekend of our last program of the week.
44:44 But, the popularity graph of Tahiyyat Qaid,
44:48 is being shown to us on a daily basis.
44:50 Despite this, if all this is happening,
44:52 then I think this is unfair to the party's workers.
44:56 Of course, the loyalists of the party,
44:58 should get the tickets.
44:59 Their employees,
45:01 should have got the tickets.
45:03 But, of course,
45:04 Hasan Yub has made a big news,
45:06 that Tahiyyat Qaid's decision is being vetoed.
45:08 That's all for today. InshaAllah, we will meet again on Monday. Allah Hafiz.