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00:00 Benchmarks and broader markets fall for the third day in a row.
00:13 Sectoral indices close mixed.
00:15 Nifty Finsurf top lagging sectoral index.
00:19 HDFC Bank continues to fall, loses over Rs 38,000 crore in market cap.
00:26 All eyes on RIL's third quarter earnings as analysts expect net profit and revenue
00:36 to grow despite the pressure on operating numbers.
00:40 HUL expected to see a muted third quarter, higher outlay towards ad spending to cap the
00:46 EBITDA margin expansion.
00:50 Akasa Air places an order for 150 Boeing Max jets, average order value likely to be at
00:56 $17.5 billion.
00:57 Akasa's total order book now stands at 226 aircrafts.
01:10 Hello and welcome, you're watching The Reporter on NDTV Profit and I'm your host Pragati
01:14 Oberoi.
01:15 As usual, before we delve deep into the show, let's take a quick look at how the markets
01:19 fared during the day.
01:20 My colleague Mahima joins in with all the market action.
01:23 Right Pragati, so as you rightly mentioned at the start of the show, the benchmarks and
01:28 broader markets both have fallen third day in a row now.
01:31 If we talk about the Nifty, the top laggards were LTI Mintree, NTPC and HDFC Bank.
01:36 If we talk about top gainers, Sun Pharma, Cipla and Tech Mahindra led the rally.
01:41 Well, Nifty closes nearly 200 points about the day's lows and Sensex also falls for third
01:47 day in a row and Sensex closes over 500 points about day's lows.
01:51 Nifty Bank also falls for third day in a row.
01:53 HDFC Bank, AU and SFB are the top laggards in the Nifty Bank today.
01:58 Also, if we talk about the sectoral indices, they have mixed cues.
02:02 Nifty Pharma was the top gaining sector today.
02:06 It broke a two-day losing streak and Aurobindo Pharma, Sun Pharma were top gainers on the
02:11 Nifty Pharma today.
02:12 Nifty Fincer was the top lagging sectoral index where IEX, ICICI Prudential were the
02:17 top laggards on Nifty Fincer.
02:19 If we talk about the advance decline ratio, 20 advanced, 28 decline and 2 remain unchanged.
02:26 So overall, it was not a very good day for the markets.
02:29 Right, Mayama.
02:30 Thanks so much for giving us that quick market check.
02:33 Now, in the stock market, over promise and under performance often gets punished.
02:38 And that's what has been said, not in absolute words, but that's what has been implied by
02:41 Kotak Mahindra AMC's Neelay Shah.
02:44 When asked about HDFC Bank's sharp fall in the market post its Q3 earnings announcement
02:49 and effectively dragging the bank Nifty also in red.
02:52 And that's also on the screen, the performance of HDFC Bank and how it has fared in the market.
02:57 Now, here is a chunk of the chat for you.
03:02 In the stock market, over promise and under delivery invariably gets punished.
03:11 Under promise and over delivery invariably gets rewarded.
03:17 For stocks as well as the market, we'll have to remember that we are trading at premium
03:24 valuation to most peer group.
03:27 There is expectations that our earnings growth will be superior and will deliver somewhere
03:34 between 15 to 20% compounded profit growth as a market.
03:40 Any under delivery over there, low delivery over there will have its consequences.
03:47 That was Neelay Shah for you on HDFC Bank.
03:50 Now, Mukesh Ambani's RIL is all set to come out with its third quarter earnings tomorrow.
03:55 And for the company, net profit and revenue is expected to be higher, even though there
03:59 is some pressure on the operating numbers.
04:02 My colleague Vikas Shrivastava joins in with what's expected ahead of the Q3 numbers.
04:08 Reliance Industries' third quarter operational performance is likely to be impacted by a
04:13 weak performance from the O2C segment.
04:16 The O2C segment constitutes mostly the refining business and the petrochemical business.
04:21 In the third quarter, the gross refining margin is lower by almost $1.02 per barrel.
04:27 So in the previous quarter, it was around $9.9 per barrel, which has come down to almost
04:33 $7.9 per barrel, according to analyst estimates tagged by Bloomberg.
04:38 Now, this is likely to be offset by a strong performance in margins by petrochemical business.
04:45 The petrochemical margins are seen at almost Rs. 191 per tonne compared to 193 per tonne
04:53 compared to 191 per tonne in the previous quarter.
04:57 As far as the net profit and the revenue figures are concerned, the net profit and revenue
05:02 are likely to do well in the third quarter on the back of very strong performance from
05:08 the retail and the RGO business.
05:11 The RGO business has done extremely well on the back of strong footfall, on the back of
05:17 strong ARPU, that is average revenue per user, and also very good subscriber additions in
05:23 the third quarter.
05:24 As far as the retail business is concerned, the retail business has done well on the back
05:28 of strong footfalls because the third quarter is also the season, like festival season quarter.
05:36 So that has helped boost the revenue.
05:38 Revenue is likely, the revenue from operations for the consolidated business is likely to
05:45 be higher to almost Rs. 2.54 lakh crores in this quarter compared to Rs. 2.34 lakh crore
05:52 in the previous quarter.
05:53 The net profit is also seen to be higher by almost 4% to Rs. 18,080 crores in the third
06:00 quarter.
06:01 That was a quick review for you.
06:03 And after RIL, we have another company that will be announcing its earnings soon.
06:08 HUL is expected to come out with its Q3 numbers tomorrow.
06:11 My colleague Sessa Sen joins us with the preview on the company's Q3 numbers.
06:16 Hi, Pragati.
06:17 So, well, yes, it is going to be another quarter of muted earnings growth for HUL.
06:23 No material uptick in festive demand and price cuts being taken across categories are likely
06:28 to weigh on the volume as well as the revenue growth for HUL.
06:32 Now, analysts are expecting a volume growth of 2% to 3% over the previous year, while
06:37 the revenue growth is expected to remain flat.
06:40 Volume growth, we must remember, is also likely to be impacted as the company faces stiff
06:45 competition from small and regional players.
06:49 We need to watch if HUL's market share has further eroded sequentially.
06:53 Now, in terms of margins, HUL is likely to see an expansion in gross margins as prices
07:00 of key raw materials like palm oil, tea and coffee has declined year on year as well as
07:05 over the previous quarter.
07:07 However, the company is increasing advertising and offering extra incentives to channels
07:13 to remain competitive with regional brands.
07:15 Now, this might lead to a moderate EBITDA margin expansion.
07:19 If we look at the three sectors, the three segments, rather, where HUL operates, the
07:24 home care category is likely to see a moderate sales growth of 0.5% due to the price cuts
07:30 taken in the laundry portfolio.
07:31 Beauty and personal care segment is also likely to see a moderate 0.8% year on year growth
07:37 going to price cuts in soaps.
07:39 However, the food and refreshment business is likely to drive the growth growing by 3.5%
07:45 year on year.
07:47 So HUL's outlook on competition from local and regional players as well as the rural
07:52 versus urban demand will be the key monitorables tomorrow.
07:57 Thanks so much for giving us that quick update, Sessa.
07:59 A slew of telecom companies will also be sharing their Q3 earnings very soon.
08:04 Revenues are expected to rise for the sector.
08:06 We have my colleague Smriti joining us with a preview on the telecom sector's earnings.
08:10 Right, Pragati, you rightly mentioned revenue is likely to grow in this quarter.
08:17 This will be on the back of subscriber additions that happen.
08:20 However, margins are likely to remain capped after 5G capex by Bhartiya and Jio specifically
08:26 because there are only two players who are putting money into capex.
08:29 And I'll come specifically to the companies now.
08:32 In the capital, the revenue growth is expected to be around 3.5%.
08:36 Margins are expected to remain flat, as I said, on the back of 5G capex that the company
08:41 has done.
08:42 Net profit is likely to go up 36%.
08:45 On the other hand, we have Vodafone Idea, which has been facing troubles.
08:49 There has been no news of fundraisers of now.
08:51 Its revenue is likely to be to grow at around 1.5%, 2%.
08:56 Margin is likely to contract.
08:57 So they're losing operational efficiency as well.
09:00 Net loss, however, will contract as compared to the previous quarter where we saw an expansion
09:06 in the net loss happening.
09:08 Now on Reliance Jio, subscriber growth is expected to be elevated with at least one
09:15 crore additions in this quarter itself.
09:17 ARPU growth for this quarter is likely to remain flattish as well because of the 5G
09:23 capex that has been done.
09:25 But tomorrow we'll have Jio results and we'll see what comes out.
09:29 Right Smriti, thanks so much for bringing us that quick wrap on the telecom earnings.
09:34 Moving on to the pharma space and we have a quick update from there.
09:37 Sun Pharma has entered into a definitive merger agreement with Taro Pharma.
09:41 It is to acquire the remaining outstanding shares of Taro for 288.91 crore rupees.
09:48 The price has been revised from $38 per share to $43 per share.
09:53 And that's the quick update we had for you from the pharma space.
09:57 Now my colleague Janani also spoke to DGFT Santosh Sarangi about the details of the new
10:02 Trade Connect e-platform and the need for it in the current time.
10:09 The need for it arises out of our interaction with stakeholders in various parts of the
10:15 country where many of the young and aspiring exporters struggle with the what, where and
10:23 how of exports.
10:25 So what kind of products, which market do they send it to and how do they do it.
10:31 So on this they have been struggling for quite some time.
10:36 So we are initiating this effort to launch a Trade Connect e-platform which will provide
10:43 a one-stop solution to the exporters on understanding the kind of products which they export, the
10:49 kind of markets which they should send it to and in addition understanding the tariff
10:56 regulatory barrier, understanding what kind of FTA benefits are available for these exports,
11:03 understanding what kind of events and exhibitions should they attend to promote the kind of
11:09 products which they want to.
11:11 So this will be a one-stop solution and this will also take on board different government
11:17 departments and line ministers along with the exporters.
11:20 So this will also provide them a platform to reach out to Indian missions, to reach
11:24 out to other government departments which are related with this.
11:28 So this is supposed to be an integrative platform which will join many dots which are concerned
11:35 with exports.
11:36 Sir, as I understand this is the phase one of this.
11:38 This is envisioned to be more ambitious.
11:41 What will be the next stage and when can we see phase one roll up?
11:45 Phase one's first few modules will roll out in next two to three months and the entire
11:50 roll out will happen over a period of time.
11:54 Phase two will start after about a year's time.
11:57 That was the update from the DGFT.
12:00 Now Akasa Air, a big news maker during the day definitely, the company has placed an
12:05 order for 150 Boeing MAX jets.
12:07 According to the information that is available with us, Boeing is the company that has won
12:11 this order.
12:12 Now Akasa Air has started flying commercially less than two years ago and this has made
12:17 a firm purchase with this latest transaction.
12:20 It is a firm purchase for the 737 MAX 10 and MAX 8-200 planes and they will be given through
12:27 2032.
12:28 Now the announcement of this deal was made at the Wings India Air Show in Hyderabad.
12:35 According to Bloomberg, Akasa's total order book now stands at 226 aircrafts.
12:40 Currently, the airline operates a fleet of 22 MAX jets.
12:45 Now let's slip into a short break, but we have lots more lined up for you on the other
12:49 side as well.
12:50 So stay tuned.
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16:45 Now, the troubled Edfintech firm Zest Money, which announced its shutdown plans last month,
16:50 has now been acquired by DMI Finance, the NBFC arm of DMI.
16:54 We have a colleague joining in with more on this.
16:57 The troubled Zest Money has finally been acquired.
17:02 This is a distressed sale or a fire sale that has definitely come at a much, much lower
17:09 valuation.
17:10 Zest Money, though the terms of the deal haven't been disclosed by either of the entities,
17:16 it is definitely much, much lesser than the $450 million valuation that Zest Money once commanded.
17:23 Now, but what the companies have revealed is that DMI Finance will be the preferred lender
17:30 on the Zest Money platform, as well as it will continue to have all the exclusive rights
17:36 to all the Zest brands that exist.
17:39 So, what this points to is that Zest Money as an entity and as a brand will probably
17:44 continue to exist, which is different from what we were expecting in terms of a total
17:52 shutdown.
17:53 What has also not been clarified is what will happen to the employees that Zest Money has.
17:59 It has about 150 to 200 employees that are based in Bangalore currently.
18:05 DMI will also add Zest Money's checkout financing platform to its platform.
18:13 And DMI had been a partner with Zest Money for about eight years.
18:19 Thanks so much for that update, Rish.
18:21 Now, Agrata's Energy Storage Solutions, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of Tata Sons,
18:25 is in talks with a group of banks to raise as much as $500 million via green loans.
18:31 And this information we are getting as per Bloomberg.
18:34 The company is into making battery cells with factories in India and the UK.
18:38 Its facilities are also to be powered by clean energy.
18:41 Now, Agrata's would use the proceeds from the loan for its factories, with the tenure
18:46 likely to be more than five years.
18:48 And that's all the information that we have coming right from Bloomberg.
18:51 In a surprise development, the Delhi High Court has informed cricketer Mahendra Singh
18:56 Dhoni about the defamation case that has been filed against him.
18:59 Now, with the matter scheduled for hearing on 19 January, we have a colleague Charu
19:04 joining in with more on this.
19:07 Hi, Pragati.
19:08 So it is a very interesting case.
19:11 Years back, around in 2017, our contract was finalized between Mahendra Singh Dhoni
19:19 and another company to make global sports complexes, Mahendra Singh Dhoni sports complexes.
19:25 And then suddenly the contract was revoked through a third party with the help of an email.
19:31 But since it was not done directly, it was done through an email, the other party definitely
19:37 thought that in legal terms, they can think that it is not yet revoked and not yet cancelled.
19:43 And that is why a legal dispute took place after which Mahendra Singh Dhoni himself started
19:50 some legal proceedings in Jharkhand, filed a complaint against the company, against the
19:54 sports complex company and said that they are basically trying to run sports complexes
19:59 with his name without his permission, even though the contract has been revoked.
20:02 And then his counsel, some time back, conducted a press release without any decision in that
20:08 complaint.
20:09 And as a response to that complaint, now proceedings have been initiated in the Delhi High Court.
20:15 The party is saying, the sports complex party is saying that without any result in the complaint
20:22 in Jharkhand, how could a press release and how could these statements be made against
20:27 this sports complex company.
20:29 And Mahendra Singh Dhoni is not the only party against which these proceedings have been
20:33 initiated.
20:34 The proceedings have been initiated against several other parties, including several news
20:39 portals and several social networking sites as well.
20:43 And today, the Delhi High Court said that Mahendra Singh Dhoni himself needs to be in
20:47 the loop of the matter and ask the parties to basically notify him through email and
20:51 other methods.
20:52 And because of that, the matter has been adjourned for now and will pick up in the later half
20:56 of this month and we'll know more about it then.
21:00 Right, Charu.
21:01 Thanks so much for bringing us that update.
21:02 Indeed, a very interesting case.
21:04 Now, Ajmera Realty has entered into a JV or a joint venture with Rustamji for the redevelopment
21:09 projects in Mumbai.
21:10 My colleague Saloni joins in with more on this.
21:13 Right, Pragati.
21:14 As you mentioned, Ajmera Realty has signed a joint venture partnership with Rustamji,
21:21 Keystone Realtors and other district players.
21:23 So, on the back of the news, the stock actually jumped as much as 17% as both the companies
21:28 will hold 50% stake in the project.
21:31 But the main reason for the stock reaction was that the project is aiming to have an
21:36 estimated gross development value of Rs. 760 crore.
21:40 Definitely, given the fact that Ajmera is obviously going to expand a lot in the redevelopment
21:45 segment, especially being a Mumbai-based firm where redevelopment is something that builders
21:50 kind of try to opportunize from.
21:52 The stock is up about 30% in January as compared to a 90% rise in Nifty Realty.
21:56 So, just to give a context as to why it's been one of the outperformers in the realty
22:01 spaces, because even in terms of their operational highlights that they shared earlier this month,
22:06 they mentioned that they have doubled their sales value during the quarter as well as
22:10 collections have been up about 30% and they have also been very confident of achieving
22:14 their guidance for the year.
22:16 So, lots of things happening as far as Ajmera Realty is concerned and very interesting stock
22:21 to watch out for as well.
22:22 Thanks so much for bringing us that update.
22:24 Now, let's move straight to an update from Davos.
22:27 My colleague Neeraj Shah spoke to the Vice Chairman and MD of Apollo Tyres at the World
22:31 Economic Forum at Davos.
22:33 Now, they both talked about the MD's perspective on India's growth and are people really keen
22:39 on making investments in India.
22:41 Here's a look at it for you.
22:43 Well, it's been pretty neutral, I would say.
22:47 But yeah, India is on the growth path, as we all know, 6.5 to 7% is our growth GDP.
22:54 So, India is booming, as we can see on the promenade, all states are well represented
22:59 and there is a lot of inflow of funds coming into India.
23:02 I can see that.
23:03 There's a lot of excitement about India because other world economies are going through
23:08 recessions, inflationary issues, political, geopolitical issues.
23:12 Whereas, I think the government under the Prime Minister is being very proactive and
23:18 have taken very good positive proactive steps for the Indian consumers, for the India infrastructure,
23:26 which is now playing out.
23:28 And we are seeing that on the road also.
23:30 So, not just as the head honcho of Apollo Tyres, but as somebody who is a part of various
23:34 bodies in India and Davos, what have been conversations like?
23:38 Are people keen to make investments into India or other economies at a point of time
23:43 when the world growth seems to be tapering off?
23:45 Well, I think it's a bit cautious.
23:48 People are waiting and watching.
23:51 One of the big themes that's going on around here is AI and you would have also seen that.
23:55 And lot of artificial intelligence, machine learning, what is generative artificial intelligence,
24:01 how that is going to help your businesses, how that is also going to help governments
24:05 and economies to scale up, lot of data centers coming around.
24:09 So, that's I guess the new buzz that's going around in Davos this year.
24:14 Yeah, I mean…
24:15 Well, of course, for a tyre company, not necessarily everything around it,
24:19 but adapting to that will also be important.
24:21 But also, just tell us about how do you envisage 2024 to be?
24:25 Well, you know, in particularly in AI, we have been doing this for the past three years now.
24:30 Okay.
24:31 So, we have two tech innovation hubs, one in Hyderabad and one in London,
24:36 where there are data scientists sitting.
24:39 We are now on the cloud, so all our data is real-time.
24:43 We have seven plants across India and Europe.
24:46 So, all data is coming in from the cloud.
24:49 Data scientists are analyzing it through artificial intelligence, understanding equipment.
24:55 So, for example, in our plant in Hungary, we've been able to increase our productivity by nearly 12%,
25:01 just through data mining, understanding data and by increasing productivity.
25:05 So, very less inflow of CapEx, which is what we are doing for the next two years.
25:10 We're going CapEx Lite, and we are putting a lot of emphasis on digitalization
25:15 and trying to see how we can improve our balance sheet ratios.
25:20 Our ROCE has now gone up to 15% to 16% from a sub 10%.
25:25 That's all thanks to all the digital activities that we're doing.
25:28 And more and more, we'll keep on investing in this.
25:31 So, right now, it's only gone into manufacturing.
25:33 The next step is to take it into supply chain, take it into sales and marketing
25:39 and understand consumer behavior through artificial intelligence.
25:43 Right. That was the update from Davos.
25:45 Now, we have IndusInd Bank's third quarter numbers also out.
25:49 A very important bank indeed.
25:51 And the numbers, as we can see, and what we have in front of us as of now,
25:55 is that the net interest income is up 17.8% year on year.
26:00 So, not really a sharp rise, but largely meeting the estimates of analysts as they had seen it doing.
26:06 The net interest income is at Rs. 592.95 crore.
26:10 The net profit is up 17.2%.
26:13 Now, not a sharp rise in either net interest income or net profit,
26:18 but pretty decent set of numbers, largely in line with the analyst estimates.
26:22 The GNPAs and the net NPAs, if we look at the asset quality, looks largely pristine.
26:28 Or we can call it flat as well because the gross NPAs are at 1.92% versus the 1.93% on a quarterly basis.
26:36 So, flat numbers. Net NPA again at 0.57% versus 0.57% in the last quarter.
26:42 So, asset quality is largely the same.
26:44 The NIR net profit are not very sharp rises, 17.8%, 17.2% roughly.
26:51 Now, in the last quarter, when the company's management was addressing media in the press conference,
26:57 they said that the growth outlook for the third quarter was remaining.
27:01 They were seeing it to be reasonably strong on the back of festive demand,
27:05 especially driving growth in cars.
27:07 So, as we have the breakup on those numbers, we will bring you those latest updates.
27:11 Because very soon we also have IndusInd Bank's press conference starting.
27:15 And so, as and when we have more details on what are these growth drivers,
27:19 what is the outlook going ahead in the fourth quarter, we will bring you those updates.
27:23 That was what we had from IndusInd Bank in terms of numbers.
27:27 And that's also that we have for you on The Reporter.
27:30 But for more news and updates, please keep watching NDTV Profit.
27:33 Thank you.
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