Election 2024: PPP ka election commission say bara mutalba
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00:00 First of all, I would like to start with you.
00:02 Because today, another apprehension has come from the Pakistan People's Party.
00:08 And that is that RTS has made a mistake in 2018.
00:12 Questions were raised on the results of the elections.
00:14 Because of the question being raised, of course, the entire election has become questionable.
00:19 The elections have not yet come.
00:21 Questions have already started arising on this election.
00:23 You were also talking about the level playing field.
00:26 Pakistan is also doing the movement justice.
00:28 But now the issue of the EMS system, the election management system,
00:33 this is not an electronic system, obviously, but whether there is a net or not, the result can be sent.
00:40 What apprehensions does the Pakistan People's Party have from this?
00:46 Going towards automation or going in that direction that the matters should be made easy,
00:51 the forms should not disappear, the forms should not be found late,
00:54 should not do anything to solve that?
00:57 Look, the app that has been made,
01:00 this is a completely new app that is being tried for the first time.
01:06 And the purpose of the app is that the form 45,
01:12 the presiding officer can make a picture through this app and give it to the returning officer.
01:21 We are saying that WhatsApp is already present and we said that through WhatsApp,
01:34 because WhatsApp is on every smartphone, even children know how to use it.
01:40 And through WhatsApp, you can easily send this image to the returning officer.
01:47 And there, the provisional result can be sent.
01:55 Now, this new app has come,
01:57 first of all, the presiding officer needs a phone above Android 6,
02:05 on which this app will work.
02:09 Downloading it is also a stage, and this threat has already been expressed by the Election Commission,
02:19 that many presiding officers may have difficulty in this,
02:23 and they should get it done on the day of polling from the returning officer.
02:28 After that, the procedure of turning on the camera is also of 3-4 steps,
02:36 that after that the camera is turned on.
02:38 Now, this is happening for the first time,
02:41 many things can also be seen in this,
02:44 which the creators of this app may not have even guessed from the beginning.
02:50 So that's why we are saying that when such an application is present,
02:55 which is being used by children here,
02:58 and it has been used for years successfully,
03:02 then why are you leaving it and putting a new invention,
03:09 and experiencing it for the first time here?
03:13 Mr. Tajjada, it is a matter of drinking milk with a spoon,
03:16 and now it is the case of RTS,
03:18 so it is difficult to trust other apps or other systems.
03:21 I understand that, but you are also going to talk to the Election Commission about this,
03:24 what are your expectations?
03:26 No, we have made a letter for the Election Commission,
03:28 which will be delivered tomorrow, in which all these points have been given,
03:32 in which the reference to that discussion has also been given,
03:35 which we did in the Parliamentary Committee,
03:39 and I myself was a member of that committee.
03:41 The officers of the Election Commission told us,
03:46 that you should not put this in the law,
03:49 because there are many such areas where the internet is not available,
03:53 the internet can also fail.
03:55 Now this objection is applicable to this new application,
04:01 that if the internet is not available or the internet fails,
04:04 then this new application will not work.
04:08 But Mr. Tajjada, I am sorry I am cutting you short,
04:10 according to my information,
04:12 this EMS system, whether there is internet or not,
04:15 it can work without internet.
04:17 Nothing can work without internet.
04:19 Our information has been given that whether there is internet or not,
04:24 it will work.
04:25 Nothing can work without internet.
04:27 Probably it will work through a mobile network or whatever.
04:30 No, any such system that works on a satellite,
04:34 and from one place to another, you can send an image,
04:39 or like I am talking to you,
04:43 if there is no internet, then I cannot talk to you.
04:46 So, IT cannot be done without internet.
04:49 We are talking on the phone.
04:52 This is something that children know.
04:55 And what is the need of this invention when you have WhatsApp available?
05:00 Anyway, Mr. Tajjada, we are talking on the phone,
05:04 we do not need internet for this.
05:06 But having said that,
05:08 if this letter of yours reaches,
05:10 and after that the election commission of Pakistan says that 10 days are left,
05:14 now our system is not going to change, hypothetically.
05:17 No, that system has not come yet.
05:19 They want to implement it.
05:21 We are saying that there is a system that has been around for years,
05:23 and it is present on every smartphone,
05:25 you can use it.
05:27 We are not bringing anything new.
05:30 Right.
05:31 This is that which is present on every smartphone,
05:34 and even small children of 6-7 years are using it.
05:39 Again, hypothetically, if the election commission of Pakistan says that
05:43 we think that EMS is the right thing,
05:46 then what will be your next step, Mr. Senator?
05:49 Look, this is one thing, and we have also said that
05:53 you should not only send the form 45 to the returning officer,
06:03 but all the candidates who are there,
06:06 and you should also send them their telephone numbers,
06:09 so that transparency is created.
06:12 Right.
06:13 So, we are giving our opinion and mobilizing people,
06:17 so this is a problem.
06:21 And after that, as our leadership says,
06:24 how far should we take this,
06:26 but this is a new invention,
06:30 and we do not understand its purpose,
06:33 that what is the purpose of taking this,
06:36 which you cannot take from WhatsApp.
06:39 Right.
06:40 Mr. Bhatti, this...
06:43 I think you will also agree with this.
06:45 When something is present,
06:47 then why should we bring a new thing which has risks?
06:50 But I will keep my personal opinion with me,
06:53 so that I can definitely know your opinion from you.
06:56 We have the opinion of the People's Party.