八点最热报 | 安华改革公务员的退休金制度，真的会损害某一个族群的权益吗？民政党主席刘华才在受访时提到，由于安华和团结政府拿不到公务员和马来票，现在他这么做，是在报复他们。但中总总财政和双威大学政治学者黄进发都认为，安华这么做的确冒着一定的政治风险，会得罪庞大的公务员群体，但这显示了他改革的政治决心。（主播：萧慧敏）
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00:04 In the past two days, we have mentioned that the government's reform of the civil servant pension is a desperate fact.
00:10 It involves the future economic development of the country.
00:13 But it has now been raised as a racial issue, saying that it is all because the Action Party is behind it.
00:19 The State Council has been criticizing that this is not good for Malaysians, because most of the civil servants are Malaysians.
00:25 Is the reform of the civil servant pension system really going to harm the rights of a certain ethnic group?
00:31 The Democratic Party's Chairman Liu Huacai mentioned during an interview that
00:35 because Anhua and the United Government can't get civil servants and Malaysian votes,
00:39 he is now doing this to get revenge on them.
00:42 But the President of the Central Government and the political scholar of Shuangwei University, Huang Jinfa, all believe that
00:46 Anhua's doing this is indeed taking a certain political risk and will offend a large number of civil servants.
00:52 But this shows his political determination to reform.
00:56 Huang Jinfa mentioned that in recent years, the civil servant system in China has grown so large that it has become a big ticket warehouse in the general election.
01:03 The reform of the pension system has been discussed for decades, but no single government has dared to touch it.
01:08 Anhua is now using public funds to replace pension, so it has political courage.
01:13 But he believes that Anhua not only does not provide a complete package, but also does not provide an opportunity for public discussion.
01:19 Therefore, it is easy to become a target of attack.
01:23 After the government made this suggestion, the party's secretary-general Duan Yibu was directly criticized.
01:28 He said that if the government is not rich enough, then go find money, not abolish the civil servant pension plan.
01:34 And most of the low-level positions in government agencies are held by Malaysians.
01:39 Therefore, this new change has the greatest impact on them.
01:43 For the reform of the civil servant pension plan, it is not good for Malaysians.
01:49 Anhua refuted this statement.
01:51 He said that in fact, the government had studied this proposal since the 1990s, but there had been no political will to implement it.
02:00 It has been studied for decades. I remember the time when it was studied in the 1990s.
02:06 But no one has the strength and political will to do it.
02:10 He said that the pension plan is a solution for Malaysians, this is a DAP proposal.
02:14 This is what was presented. It never wants to be discussed in fact and in detail.
02:19 This is our problem in this country.
02:21 Use of religion, support for religion.
02:24 Prime Minister Anhua emphasized that although the abolition of the retirement system has been proposed for nearly 30 years,
02:28 no government has the political courage and determination to reform this system.
02:34 Now the DAP is taking this reform to play with the interests of Malaysians.
02:39 It is just a game of racial emotions.
02:41 However, as one of the members of the National Alliance,
02:44 Liu Huacai, the chairman of the Democratic Party, said in an interview that Anhua did not support Anhua because Malaysians and civil servants did not support Anhua.
02:50 So this "revenge mentality" was created.
02:52 If you compare it with the National Alliance, I think it has less support.
02:57 Many civil servants are leaning towards the National Alliance, not towards the West Alliance, nor towards Anhua's government.
03:04 I think the Prime Minister's direction is wrong.
03:07 Because he thinks he has to save money, but if he is the Prime Minister, he has to find money.
03:12 Because this is the job of a prime minister.
03:15 The first thing to do is to re-evaluate the economy of the country, the development of the country, and to make more money for the country,
03:21 instead of attacking those civil servants.
03:24 I think his direction is wrong.
03:26 Liu Huacai pointed out that many people think that the National Alliance is against the cancellation of pension because they need civil servants' votes.
03:32 But in fact, they are just affirming the efforts of civil servants.
03:35 This is Liu Huacai's interpretation.
03:37 But anyway, the National Alliance is now a subject of "picking up a gun and grabbing a civil servant's pension"
03:42 and is chasing Anhua and the United Front Government.
03:45 Huang Jinfa, a political scholar at the University of Hong Kong, believes that even if this is the right decision,
03:50 Anhua did not do it well enough in execution.
03:53 What you will see is that we will continue to investigate this issue.
03:57 We have now failed in the Dubai situation, but they will definitely continue to "pick up a gun and grab a civil servant's pension"
04:06 and wait for the next trial.
04:07 So this is their "wood", their "blue material".
04:10 Anhua thinks that although she knows very clearly that her Malays support the National Alliance is very weak,
04:17 but she cannot get rid of the past in her mind.
04:20 I am strongly supporting the government's approach.
04:23 I will throw a set of people in the water.
04:25 If you are not satisfied, we will talk about it again.
04:27 This is the standard approach of authoritarian rule.
04:30 But in a democratic society, this approach is a "cloud" rising.
04:34 Because your public does not need to accept your compromise.
04:38 After you make a compromise, they can still be unhappy.
04:41 Next time, use the people's will to bury you.
04:45 Anhua's CEO, President Kong Linglong, believes that the reform of the pension system is definitely a political risk.
04:51 Because this issue is expected to continue to ferment until the next general election,
04:55 and become a bargaining chip for the opposition to attack the government.
04:58 But he believes that this is a risk that the National Alliance government must take.
05:01 I think there is a political risk.
05:04 But the current National Alliance government also has a political risk to make a decisive reform.
05:12 Especially when he often talks about the national treasury, tax and fiscal reform in the fiscal year.
05:21 This is one of the reforms.
05:23 In addition to the pension system, the pension system and some taxes,
05:27 I believe this is also a reform.
05:30 He can speak out and save.
05:32 Although both are convinced of Anhua's political determination and courage,
05:36 but Wang Jinfa believes that Anhua can actually do more beautiful and not fall into the mouth of the people.
05:41 And the best way is to propose a green paper.
05:45 Tell everyone why we need to reform the pension system.
05:48 Make different choices to lead public discussion.
05:51 So I think Anhua should not be the whole picture.
05:55 Anhua must recognize that she is facing a democratized Malaysia today.
05:59 We criticize Anhua today, not that she did something wrong,
06:02 but that she should do the right thing.
06:05 I can't say that because I did the right thing, I don't care about the means.
06:09 The result of the means is the public opinion's rebound.
06:12 Then you can only do one thing.
06:14 The Chinese President-General, Kong Linglong, believes that the Anhua pension reform system is the right direction for the national treasury.
06:24 This way, Malaysia can achieve a sustainable fiscal budget,
06:28 and help improve our national treasury and other aspects of the national treasury.
06:32 This way, foreign funds will be able to build confidence in Malaysia because the government has the intention to improve the national treasury.
06:38 That's it.
06:40 [END]
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