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00:01:29 Welcome to the Perimeter Season 3, Episode 16, presented by McGillivray Environmental.
00:01:35 Here with Brendan, the producer. Got a lot to unpack in this episode.
00:01:41 Heartbreaking loss at home to St. Mary's.
00:01:44 Some really interesting officiating calls. I'm going to dive into that.
00:01:48 My opinion and take on them from as unbiased as I can from a basketball lens.
00:01:55 And then something that was kind of ugly, we had students throwing shit on the floor.
00:01:59 National TV game, not a good look.
00:02:03 I'm going to talk about what I think should happen, what I know will happen,
00:02:07 and then what I think, you know, procedurally what the building and security will do going forward.
00:02:15 I know that's an interesting topic because there's a lot of people that want to go to Gonzaga games.
00:02:20 And so when students act that way, there's a reasonable case to be like,
00:02:26 bring in, cut half the student, not half the students, but take out the corners
00:02:31 and sell those tickets and just give them the two middles.
00:02:33 You know what I'm saying? How the band gets that one corner and then they get the other adjacent corner.
00:02:38 Take those out and just sell those to general admission.
00:02:41 You know what I mean?
00:02:42 And then like when you start throwing stuff on the floor and doing all that crazy stuff,
00:02:45 it's a legitimate argument.
00:02:47 So you were at the game, great energy in the building before that.
00:02:51 Amazing.
00:02:51 Yeah.
00:02:52 I had posted on my own social saying like, number one student section in the NCAA.
00:02:58 And then I literally, I didn't delete the video, but I deleted that because I was just like,
00:03:04 I mean, that was unacceptable.
00:03:05 Yeah, it was embarrassing from an alumnus and somebody who played there.
00:03:11 And this is just not us doing the pat ourselves on the back, make us sound good.
00:03:16 Because, you know, how dare they?
00:03:18 But like, I would never, when I was growing up and even intoxicated,
00:03:26 I would never think to throw something at somebody.
00:03:28 It's such a cheap, you know what I mean?
00:03:30 Like Bush league thing to do.
00:03:32 And it can really hurt somebody.
00:03:34 Like if you catch, because they were throwing those little liquor bottles on.
00:03:36 Yeah.
00:03:38 I mean, they're glass or even if they're the heavy plastic,
00:03:41 you catch somebody in the eye, like what if you did that?
00:03:43 Yeah.
00:03:44 And you ruin somebody's life.
00:03:47 Should you go to prison and should you pay restitution?
00:03:50 Absolutely.
00:03:50 You know what I'm saying?
00:03:51 But like, it just was just like, what the heck?
00:03:55 Over a call, really bad call.
00:03:57 But this loss puts us kind of behind the barrel a little bit on making the NCAA tournament.
00:04:06 And a little nardy doesn't have us really listed or is like the first four, next four out or whatever.
00:04:12 Next four in, I guess.
00:04:13 Next four in.
00:04:14 Yeah.
00:04:16 So that's a peculiar place to be.
00:04:18 But what was funny, we were 31 in the net and now we're 26 after a loss.
00:04:22 I don't know how this shit works sometimes.
00:04:24 Like.
00:04:25 Yeah, I don't get it.
00:04:26 I don't get it.
00:04:27 But you have to talk about it because it goes into making the decision if you get in and what seed.
00:04:33 So that's why we do talk about it.
00:04:34 I have a probably a B, B plus understanding of it.
00:04:39 Right.
00:04:40 But that part is always scratching my head.
00:04:42 I'm like, we lost to an unranked team that was in the 20s.
00:04:47 Yeah.
00:04:47 But it's not like we lost to a top five team.
00:04:49 You know what I mean?
00:04:49 And we still went up.
00:04:50 It's like, we still went up and we lost to a team that was like six spots ahead of us.
00:04:56 Right?
00:04:56 At home.
00:04:58 So how the heck did we move up?
00:04:59 Right?
00:05:00 But whatever.
00:05:01 I don't know.
00:05:01 Yeah, I don't.
00:05:02 I don't.
00:05:03 Obviously, I think there's a lot of math that goes behind the net rankings.
00:05:05 Yeah, of course there is.
00:05:06 But it's still like that stuff just doesn't make sense.
00:05:12 But I thought when we started the game, defensively we were fantastic.
00:05:19 I mean, if you look at the box score, they started one for ten.
00:05:22 Yeah.
00:05:22 And we had great energy.
00:05:25 But again, this was kind of some of the theme I've talked about with this club all year long,
00:05:30 especially if you've listened to my broadcasts when I do the games,
00:05:35 is they start, St. Mary's starts one for ten.
00:05:39 And after they make their first field goal, I look up and it's the score is 11-5.
00:05:43 We're only up six.
00:05:44 Yeah.
00:05:45 You know what I'm saying?
00:05:46 So like we get a gift.
00:05:47 They start off terribly.
00:05:49 We're playing okay, but like it's like, man, that's, you feel like you should be up 14-2
00:05:55 or something like that or really, or really, you know, get them rattled.
00:05:58 I mean, Mahaney shoots an error ball to start the game.
00:06:02 Marcellonis misses a couple bunnies.
00:06:04 You know, blah, blah, blah.
00:06:05 Like, you know, so the energy was great.
00:06:09 Defensively, we were flying around, contesting, all that stuff.
00:06:13 We went to the switch package I've talked about.
00:06:17 When we played LMU and I mentioned it, the switch package is really good.
00:06:24 It's been part of our success defensively on some of our better teams' ability to switch
00:06:29 one through five.
00:06:30 Instead of always having to show and all those things.
00:06:34 With a big on the pick and roll package, and that's what they are.
00:06:37 They're a pick and roll team with Mahaney and Marcellonis, and they spread you out,
00:06:40 and they kind of play slow that way, but they get the ball to their best players and set
00:06:46 ball screens and stuff like that.
00:06:49 So again, it wasn't a bad start.
00:06:53 It wasn't a lack of energy or lack of want to.
00:06:59 But the first half got into the pace that St. Mary's likes to play.
00:07:05 And that's where I was a little bit upset that we couldn't implore our style more on
00:07:13 them and play faster.
00:07:14 And the way you do that is get a lead on them where they have to play faster.
00:07:19 You know, so that's why we were in our 30 press or one, two, two.
00:07:22 We ran it against them last year in the second and third game, and it really bothered them.
00:07:29 They were more prepared for it this game, obviously.
00:07:32 They went over it.
00:07:34 I think Marcellonis is a better guard from that standpoint to handle press than Logan
00:07:41 Johnson was.
00:07:42 So with Mahaney and Marcellonis on the top against that one, two, two, they maneuvered
00:07:50 it much better.
00:07:51 But they were prepared for it, obviously.
00:07:53 But they maneuvered it much better than they did in those last two games last year where
00:08:00 we kind of took the wind out of their sails early.
00:08:03 So I thought schematically, especially in the first half, we had the right deal.
00:08:09 Press, try to play fast, switch.
00:08:16 We had Mahaney kind of on the ropes there in the first half.
00:08:19 Didn't play fantastic.
00:08:23 But you look up, we're up 34 to 33.
00:08:25 There was two times we were up nine at points in the game in that first half, and then they
00:08:31 made their little run.
00:08:33 And like I said, we're only up one at half.
00:08:35 And it was one of those deals where we weren't playing as fast as we wanted to, but if you're
00:08:41 being honest, you're like, "Gonzaga controlled that half, and we're only up one."
00:08:45 And it's kind of like the same stuff I've been talking about all season.
00:08:49 We haven't had the ability to kind of separate from teams when we're playing better.
00:08:55 So that was a little bit frustrating.
00:08:58 And obviously it's a tale of two halves, and if you're up 10, doesn't mean you automatically
00:09:02 win the game, but you obviously want separation.
00:09:07 So I was just a little bit upset in that regards calling it.
00:09:12 But also I was like, "Look, this team is 7-0, have won nine in a row," or whatever it was,
00:09:18 or some of the nine or 14, I can't remember the number.
00:09:23 And we're up one, so we should be kind of happy.
00:09:26 - Yeah.
00:09:27 I mean, I was happy with a one-point lead, even though I felt like...
00:09:32 We all felt, like you said, it would have been great to step on the jugular and just
00:09:37 get an even bigger lead.
00:09:38 - Well, and in years past, if a team went one for 10 to start, usually we'd be up, like
00:09:47 I said, 14-2 or something like that.
00:09:51 So that part was interesting.
00:09:53 They were a very good rebounding team at +11, and we were +8.5 rebound margin per game.
00:10:02 And we ended up +6 on them.
00:10:05 So that part I really looked at and was positive about, because that was one of my keys of
00:10:12 the game.
00:10:13 Like, we can't let them out-rebound us.
00:10:15 That's a physicality and mentality thing more so than anything.
00:10:20 So we get in that second half, and I think that's when the game kind of turned wacky
00:10:25 a little bit.
00:10:26 It was a wacky atmosphere.
00:10:30 We had a good stretch there where the game was no more than 4-6, kind of both ways.
00:10:38 And then we got down to the 6-1/2 minute mark, and we were up 2, I believe.
00:10:45 And we didn't score until the 2-1/2 minutes left.
00:10:48 So we went on a 4-minute stretch where we didn't score a field goal late in the game
00:10:55 and just couldn't make the right amount of plays, which was frustrating.
00:11:03 There's another tale of, again, not to recap other games, but if we make plays against
00:11:11 Washington—I know you're laughing because it's like, I don't want to repeat myself
00:11:15 over and over again, and the people listening like, "This podcast fucking sucks."
00:11:19 You know what I mean?
00:11:20 It's just repeating.
00:11:21 But again, we have to go over to Washington.
00:11:23 We don't make enough plays down the stretch.
00:11:25 We make enough plays, we win.
00:11:27 Santa Clara, I think San Diego State just kicked their ass.
00:11:30 I think that too.
00:11:32 There's at least three games where you look back like, if we just make two or three plays,
00:11:37 then we're in a totally different position than we are in right now.
00:11:40 There's no anxiety of making the tournament.
00:11:43 You know what I mean?
00:11:45 So that's what's been so frustrating is sometimes you've got to go just make plays as an individual
00:11:51 and whoever that may be and go score the basketball or get to the free throw.
00:11:56 They were in the bonus with like 8-10 left to go.
00:11:59 They got their sixth and we didn't get another foul shot until like the two and a half minute
00:12:04 mark.
00:12:05 So like St. Mary's did a good job of not fouling, but also like you have to figure out a way
00:12:08 to get somebody to foul you.
00:12:10 I know that sounds funny, but like bait the officials in on a cut, slide your hands underneath
00:12:14 the guy, fall down, all that stuff.
00:12:17 That's real, real hoop stuff.
00:12:20 So it was frustrating and then there was just so many weird plays down the stretch.
00:12:28 What are the three calls?
00:12:29 There's the out of bounds on Mahaney, which that led to a Marcellino.
00:12:36 So the context of the game, it was tied, correct?
00:12:39 Yes, it was tied.
00:12:40 No, it was two.
00:12:43 They were up two, right?
00:12:46 So there's a scramble where Mahaney goes baseline and he loses it where it looks like a double
00:12:53 dribble, steps out, ref doesn't call the step out.
00:12:57 You don't notice it until they show it on the big screen.
00:13:00 So I'm just going through the whole play first and we'll talk about that.
00:13:03 He kicks it out to Dukas, fifth year seniors, made big shots for them.
00:13:08 I think Nembhard was guarding Dukas and what happened was Anton went over to try to tip
00:13:17 the Dukas pass and Dukas wisely jumps in the air and does a touch pass and it left Marcellinus
00:13:27 wide open.
00:13:29 Hits the biggest three of his career and that was kind of the ball game.
00:13:33 So this is why I'm going through the whole play.
00:13:36 Okay, go ahead.
00:13:37 But that's what they, but they also went back to the clock to see if, because it was also
00:13:40 like shot clock was expiring at the same time, right?
00:13:43 Yes.
00:13:44 Okay.
00:13:45 So the shot clock was expiring, but he, that one he got off, you could tell in real time.
00:13:48 Yeah.
00:13:49 Okay.
00:13:50 But what happened was when they had to go and look at it, Mahaney clearly stepped out
00:13:54 of bounds when he threw that pass to Dukas.
00:13:56 So that was one where they completely missed that call.
00:14:02 And then to be fair on my side, to be critical, like Anton doesn't need to slide over to Dukas
00:14:08 in that spot.
00:14:09 You stay locked into your guy.
00:14:12 He comes over to try to steal it and it's a touch pass wide open three to stay with
00:14:16 your guy.
00:14:17 There's like two seconds left.
00:14:18 Yeah.
00:14:19 And I said that on the radio and Anton's been fantastic, but if he could go back and watch
00:14:23 the film, I'm sure he did.
00:14:24 He's like, why did I slide five feet over and left open and wide open one pass that
00:14:29 I'll saw all that kid could make, then he whacks in the three, but everybody went bonkers
00:14:33 because he stepped out completely right.
00:14:35 Yeah.
00:14:36 Like it was like clearly out of bounds.
00:14:39 I thought the officiating crew was one of the worst we've ever seen in there.
00:14:43 Randy McCall, the older guys been a lot of big games.
00:14:46 He had an off night.
00:14:47 And then the two other guys were really bad.
00:14:50 I mean, they had some bad chest, you know, chest vertical contests, they called fouls
00:14:56 and then some they didn't.
00:14:57 So then you never knew what you were going to get at the rim, which is bad.
00:15:00 Like that stuff's easy to be consistent on.
00:15:02 Either you call it or you don't early.
00:15:05 They let our, their guards, if you watch the game, obviously I'm watching it court side
00:15:11 and I could see it closer and I'm looking for different things.
00:15:14 Marcelone is great.
00:15:16 Great player was extending his arm defensively and pushing our guards off their line into
00:15:22 the ball screens all night.
00:15:23 And they didn't call one of them like freedom of movement.
00:15:25 It's been a deal.
00:15:26 Extended arm has always been a foul.
00:15:28 I was curious to why they weren't calling it or wire and to be frank, like our bench
00:15:34 probably didn't know us, but like what you should be hammering the officials.
00:15:36 Like you tell them extended arm, extended arm or say, and then eventually they're going
00:15:39 to call it.
00:15:40 They have to, because if you point something out to them, that's illegal.
00:15:44 That was bad.
00:15:46 And then the Graham UK fourth foul, one of the, one of the four, I think he had an over
00:15:51 the back that was just shitty, like a one where in a big game, if the guy clearly hasn't
00:15:58 boxed out and he gets the rebound and nothing happens, he doesn't lose it.
00:16:02 He doesn't fucking fall down.
00:16:04 He just got the rebound.
00:16:05 Even if there's contact, just let it go.
00:16:07 And I'd say that for their guy, like Saxon, like if he had one where Ben Gregg clearly
00:16:12 grabs it and he barely touches us and we don't foul or fall over play on, like stop calling
00:16:18 these dumb ass fouls where guys have to sit and it changes the whole complexion of the
00:16:24 game.
00:16:25 That's why a lot of times you've heard me say this college basketball is not as fun
00:16:27 to watch anymore because the five personal fouls, but they don't have the sense to call
00:16:32 shit the way it should be like understanding, you know, where context of the game, what
00:16:39 is going on?
00:16:40 Oh, it's at 80 feet.
00:16:41 The guy didn't lose the ball.
00:16:43 I'm not going to call a reach right there.
00:16:44 I'm just going to tell him to get back and run back.
00:16:46 You know what I'm saying?
00:16:47 That's how it should be officiated.
00:16:49 They call the tiki tech stuff so many so much.
00:16:52 And then they let people put two hands on your extended arm on you when you're driving.
00:16:56 So like smart, that's where I lose my mind watching the sport.
00:17:01 That was bad.
00:17:02 And then I think the worst call we've seen in there in a long time was that shot clock
00:17:08 violation after Anton makes the three to get us within three.
00:17:12 So we still have life.
00:17:13 They're up six, right?
00:17:15 Anton makes a three in the left side corner with about 45 seconds left.
00:17:20 So there's a 15 second differential.
00:17:22 So you have a legitimate possession to get one stop.
00:17:25 We could get the ball and then run down and, you know, drop a play.
00:17:30 We didn't have a timeout, but you have a chance, you know, you, you have situations where you
00:17:34 can call something and run it.
00:17:36 And I think it was Mahaney went up for the shot, right?
00:17:41 And Anton is face boxing on the outside.
00:17:44 What I mean by that is normally in a box out, you hit, and then you, you know, you turn
00:17:48 and see the ball.
00:17:50 Sometimes you're going to get beat or it's such a big play.
00:17:53 Coaches tell you, and as players, it's smart.
00:17:55 You just face box.
00:17:56 You just, it's like an offense alignment blocking a pass rusher.
00:18:00 You're not extending your arms, but you're just like, I'm not looking for the ball, but
00:18:03 somebody else is going to go get it.
00:18:04 You're not getting the ball.
00:18:06 And they call a fucking foul on that.
00:18:08 It was terrible.
00:18:09 And the worst part is the shot clock.
00:18:11 It was an air ball, a floater.
00:18:15 So the shot clock went off.
00:18:17 And so the ref had an opportunity, like a golden opportunity.
00:18:20 You made a shitty call, but he could have went, Oh, shot clock violation.
00:18:26 And the whole crowd, even St. Mary's bench wouldn't have argued.
00:18:29 Because it was, it was terrible.
00:18:32 And they ended up going to the monitor.
00:18:34 This is the worst part about it.
00:18:35 They go to the monitor, but they don't tell our bench that they're looking to see if the
00:18:39 shot clock went off or if it was a foul.
00:18:41 We were assuming that it was a shot clock and they were looking at how much time to
00:18:45 put back on.
00:18:47 So we use it as a timeout, but you're not legally supposed to do everybody does it,
00:18:51 but you have to stay on the floor.
00:18:53 And Fuey, cause we had no timeouts left.
00:18:54 Fuey drew up a play and then he comes out and goes foul free throws.
00:18:59 And that's when everybody went ape shit.
00:19:02 And I thought Fuey was going to get one of those technicals where you just say, fuck
00:19:07 it.
00:19:08 And he doesn't get, he doesn't, people don't realize like he gets like maybe one a year,
00:19:12 probably.
00:19:13 He's probably at like half, half a one a year is his average, which is really good.
00:19:16 Yeah.
00:19:17 That sounds about right.
00:19:18 It's like half a one a year.
00:19:19 And he does it every time he gets one, he like feels bad about it.
00:19:22 And like, you know what I mean?
00:19:23 But like some coaches like get one or two a year and just like, yeah, I'm going to get
00:19:27 one just cause it feels good.
00:19:29 I thought he was going to get one and just like, yep, screw it.
00:19:33 You know, I've been hosed all night.
00:19:34 We're just going to scream in your ear and just ding me.
00:19:37 Who cares?
00:19:38 But he kept his composure, but it was like such a bad way to handle that play.
00:19:45 Not only because they called a foul on a box out at the end of the game, like unless somebody's
00:19:52 get thrown to the ground or elbow in the face that never gets called.
00:19:55 Right.
00:19:56 You know what I'm saying?
00:19:57 Like this is the end of the game and you've been letting him physical all game, but you
00:20:00 had the out of having a shot clock violation.
00:20:04 You had the perfect out to be like, Oh, Nope, I was wrong.
00:20:07 Shot clock this way.
00:20:09 I say, say Mary's bench would even, they would have been like, yeah, it was a shot clock
00:20:13 violation.
00:20:14 They would, they weren't expecting a box out call.
00:20:18 So that was terrible.
00:20:20 Now to get into the response by the students and fans.
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00:20:40 That was terrible.
00:20:45 Now to get into the response by the students and fans throwing shit on the court was stupid,
00:20:52 embarrassing.
00:20:53 Like, I just don't understand the philosophy on that one.
00:20:59 Like I said earlier, you can hurt people and that's, I get, that's a cliche way to put
00:21:04 it and obviously nobody wants to get hurt and I'm not going to sit up here and make
00:21:08 myself, I'm some, you know, God loving person and I don't want people to get hurt.
00:21:14 But like you throw small objects like in Europe and stuff, they feel like pennies and batteries
00:21:20 and shit, but you lose an eye.
00:21:21 Like that's a real way you can affect somebody's life.
00:21:26 And then two, this is the dumbest, this is like the funniest but dumbest part.
00:21:31 Everything's on fucking camera, you dumb ass students.
00:21:33 Like there's always a camera that is, that's not following the game.
00:21:37 They have everywhere you go now in every corner of every building of a significance, there
00:21:42 is a camera running.
00:21:43 It's not expensive anymore.
00:21:45 It's not the early 2000s when it was thousands of dollars to do security system.
00:21:50 Ring and all those, Canary and all those stuff has made it extremely cheap to put a camera
00:21:55 in a corner and record on our cloud.
00:21:58 So no matter what you do, you are going to get caught.
00:22:02 Whoever threw shit, they're going to find out who you are.
00:22:05 Facial recognition is not that hard.
00:22:07 They could take the video, send it to somebody, it probably cost them 500 bucks.
00:22:11 Review this tape, give us who the students are.
00:22:14 Here's our student database, probably a thousand bucks.
00:22:16 Here you go.
00:22:18 Here's the names.
00:22:19 So like doing that is so dumb.
00:22:22 Like I don't understand.
00:22:23 Like that's the same for like an NFL stadiums.
00:22:26 There's a camera on every person on the NFL stadium and they can zoom in.
00:22:30 It's no different at McCarthy athletic center.
00:22:32 So like doing that stuff is like beyond dumb.
00:22:37 You make the university look bad and you could say what you want, but you're as a student,
00:22:42 you are a part of the university.
00:22:47 And it's just like so juvenile and so cheap too.
00:22:50 It's such a cheap way to venture anger.
00:22:54 It's just like a Bush league thing to do.
00:22:56 Like I'm going to throw something out of ref cause he missed a call.
00:22:59 Yeah, it was shitty, but also like he missed the fucking call.
00:23:04 Like call him an asshole.
00:23:06 For real.
00:23:07 Call me three blind mice chant or whatever, three blind refs.
00:23:11 Like you could do whatever, all that.
00:23:13 I'm fine with that.
00:23:14 Yeah.
00:23:15 But once you consider hurting somebody, it's just like, dude, we're supposed to be like
00:23:19 a prestigious university.
00:23:22 We are a prestigious university.
00:23:23 It's hard to get into.
00:23:24 It's very expensive to go there.
00:23:26 We're not a state school.
00:23:27 That's nothing against state schools, but it's harder to get into Gonzaga.
00:23:31 That's a fact.
00:23:32 And usually the kids that get in are come from pretty well off situations.
00:23:36 That's another fact.
00:23:37 Yep.
00:23:38 I guarantee you were raised differently than that.
00:23:41 And you look like a, an asshole, like a rich kid, to be honest.
00:23:46 That's what it looks like and, you know, cry baby in the corner and fucking throwing stuff
00:23:50 at people.
00:23:51 It's so dumb.
00:23:52 I'm surprised we didn't get a technical.
00:23:53 Actually, I wanted us to get a technical on the crowd because it would have been deserving.
00:23:58 Yeah.
00:23:59 Just game's over.
00:24:00 It's part of your fault.
00:24:01 Cause I know after the game, I went and talked to, you know, people that were facility managers,
00:24:09 people that are part of the athletic department.
00:24:12 There were some very pissed off people in that building and embarrassed people just
00:24:15 because of that.
00:24:16 It was just so stupid.
00:24:17 That's a privilege to be able to go to the game.
00:24:19 That's the best way to put it.
00:24:20 Yeah.
00:24:21 Keep going.
00:24:22 It's a privilege.
00:24:23 It's a privilege.
00:24:24 And to do what they did and to throw, I mean, I don't know if I think they were throwing
00:24:28 cups on the floor too.
00:24:29 They were throwing those like the ICCU, God bless them.
00:24:32 But they make these cups that look like solo cups, but they're real.
00:24:35 You know, they're, they're nice cups.
00:24:37 I have a couple, I grabbed a couple from my boss a couple of weeks ago.
00:24:39 Yeah.
00:24:40 And it was also like, Oh, I know central credit, you know, I'll take those.
00:24:44 But a lot of them were those, the fireball, like the fire.
00:24:50 So like, you're also like, you guys just outed yourself on, now they're going to be like,
00:24:55 for like checking your bags.
00:24:57 I bet you, I don't know how much they do for the students, but like, good job.
00:25:01 Now, now, now the people that were sneaking in booze responsibly are outed now.
00:25:07 Good job.
00:25:08 Bravo.
00:25:09 I mean, it's like, you know, the 21 year old senior can't have a, take the edge off at
00:25:13 a game that he's earned.
00:25:15 Or her.
00:25:16 It was such a, it's such a weird turn of events.
00:25:19 Like that last minute and a half of, yeah, it was wacky in there.
00:25:23 It was just wacky.
00:25:24 It felt like being in a, like, like not like anything I'd ever experienced for any type
00:25:28 of professional, professional sports or college sports.
00:25:32 Yeah.
00:25:33 Like it's wacky.
00:25:34 Yeah.
00:25:35 It just had weird vibe to it.
00:25:36 And you know, like we got down six, then it was like, oh, we lost.
00:25:40 But then Anton makes like a kind of a weird three for Anton, you know, like a fadeaway
00:25:44 kind of in the corner.
00:25:45 Yeah.
00:25:46 I was like.
00:25:47 I was like, shit he made it.
00:25:49 We're right there.
00:25:50 But you know, that.
00:25:51 That's not his shot.
00:25:52 Yeah.
00:25:53 I mean, he whacks it and you're like, all right.
00:25:55 And then, so we're still in it.
00:25:56 Then, oh, we're going to get a stop.
00:25:58 What a foul then shit on the floor.
00:26:01 Then it was just like, and then, and then we lose by two and then you're just, it's
00:26:05 just, it was weird and not a good look at the end.
00:26:10 I know that for a fact that the students in question, if they find out, which they pretty
00:26:16 sure they will, like I said, there's ways you can find out.
00:26:19 You can outsource that too easily if you couldn't do it yourself.
00:26:24 They will never be allowed back in the game, which is crazy to think what if you're a freshman
00:26:29 or a sophomore, just any year, but like you're done for the rest of your Gonzaga career of
00:26:33 going to a game that sucks.
00:26:35 And then I sit there and I go, okay, if you're the university and they threw stuff and you
00:26:42 have them on camera, like directly trying to hit, you know, security person, ref, a
00:26:48 player, does that affect your academic standing at the university?
00:26:53 Yeah.
00:26:54 That's like code of conduct stuff right out easily.
00:26:56 So do you expel those kids or do you, do you suspend them for a semester and say, you got
00:27:01 to take a pause?
00:27:02 Because I know that's happened on certain different things.
00:27:04 When I went to school, I knew a couple people that got suspended and they had to sit out
00:27:08 a whole semester and then they could come back and reapply.
00:27:12 So, but I'm just curious, like I'm going to follow up on this because it won't, they won't
00:27:16 make like a news thing, but I'll mask around like, are these kids going to get suspended
00:27:21 or what's the criteria for that academically?
00:27:24 Because can you imagine, you know, obviously people make mistakes.
00:27:29 And I'll, again, I made a ton of them when I was a young kid, but when, again, when you're
00:27:33 trying to hurt people and you kind of know this is right from wrong, this is wrong, like
00:27:37 everybody fucking knows this.
00:27:39 Yeah.
00:27:40 That'd be a fun call home when your parents are writing, you know, an $85,000 check a
00:27:44 year to go to Gonzaga.
00:27:45 Hey, I can't go to school here anymore because I threw a fireball mini shot at a referee
00:27:52 at a game that, you know, matters, but really doesn't matter.
00:27:57 Right.
00:27:58 So am I still in the will or what?
00:28:01 When I was walking out of the arena after the game, the students were still very like
00:28:06 upset.
00:28:07 There was a lot of screaming, a lot of just like, season's fucking over kind of comments.
00:28:13 And, but there was one student that was like saying there was a, there was administration
00:28:19 like pointing out player, I mean, pointing out students like, and they're definitely
00:28:24 going to get in trouble.
00:28:25 I don't, yeah, I don't know what, what level, but yeah, it'd be interesting to know.
00:28:28 I, I'm curious to know.
00:28:29 I know there's one story that I know of a situation like that.
00:28:36 Well, not like that, but what the university did off of a conduct is we had a professor
00:28:43 there that used to teach like it was a CPR class and it was part of your, you had to
00:28:48 get CPR required for sports management degree.
00:28:52 And it was actually, you know, nice to learn, but he made it really hard.
00:28:55 It was harder than you thought.
00:28:56 You thought you were just going to go there and do the doll thing and, and, you know,
00:29:00 like on the office and laugh, but like you had to like really know what you were doing
00:29:04 and you know, you had to do the bandages and all that stuff.
00:29:06 And it was harder.
00:29:07 And so like he rubbed people the wrong way, but if you were respectful to them, he gave
00:29:12 you respect back.
00:29:13 And so like I used to tell guys like, just don't be, just like kind of fake it a little
00:29:17 bit.
00:29:18 So anyway, he had the reputation of being kind of a dick as a professor.
00:29:22 Anyway, the story I heard was two years before when Gonzaga was on one of the sweet 16 runs,
00:29:30 this is actually pretty funny.
00:29:32 One of the students wanted to go to the games.
00:29:35 I think it was in New Mexico when they were, you know, at the sweet 16 or second round
00:29:39 game going to the sweet 16.
00:29:41 So he called or emailed the professor and said, gave him the old, like my grandmother
00:29:45 sick or whatever.
00:29:46 Well, the professor saw him on TV in the stands and got him suspended for a whole semester,
00:29:53 like went to the Dean or whatever.
00:29:55 And the kid like had to wipe out his, that current semester and had to sit out another
00:30:01 one and then come back and retake all those classes.
00:30:03 Oh my gosh.
00:30:04 Yeah.
00:30:05 That's so my point is like, it's possible that if you break code of conduct, there's
00:30:10 some harsher repercussions than there is maybe at a normal, I don't know, I hate saying normal
00:30:17 because it makes it sound like we're.
00:30:19 Gonzaga is not like a state school.
00:30:23 No.
00:30:24 I mean, it's very like, I mean, there's honor codes that you have to sign.
00:30:27 Yeah, there's different ones.
00:30:28 Yeah, I know you're right.
00:30:29 Yeah.
00:30:30 It's like, and there, it's a Jesuit school.
00:30:31 So there is like that honor code that you have to abide by and you sign that as a student.
00:30:36 And when you break it, you probably deserve the repercussions of it.
00:30:41 It'll be, it'll be fascinating to, to learn further and I'll do my best to ask the right
00:30:46 people and see what they're going to do.
00:30:50 I got a good understanding on what they're going to do definitely in the building in
00:30:55 which I think that's an easy one and that's one that you can't really fight.
00:31:01 And like I said, again, you just fucked everybody over that wanted to have like a drink and
00:31:07 a deal.
00:31:08 I'm not saying right or wrong, but it's still like one of those deals where like, thanks
00:31:11 a lot, asshole.
00:31:12 Like now we all can't have a fireball shot in our Coke when we go to a game or whatever.
00:31:18 But you get what I'm saying?
00:31:19 Like it just, it's like crumble up paper and throw it at somebody and then, you know what
00:31:24 I mean?
00:31:25 I don't know.
00:31:26 - I will quote you, we're not trying to be the, like get off our lawn.
00:31:31 Like we, I feel like we are so pro the student section.
00:31:35 We love the student section, but to see what that happened was just like, it was not acceptable.
00:31:41 - Well, it, it, it gives the, the other side of the coin, you know, fodder to be like,
00:31:49 Hey, let's take out those corners.
00:31:52 And those are probably 400 seats you'd say, 400 seats.
00:31:58 Let's just sell those.
00:32:00 Make those GAs or just, or just season tickets and then just shorten it up.
00:32:05 If you guys are gonna act like this, you're gonna have less opportunity to go to games.
00:32:09 And that's a fair argument, you know?
00:32:13 And so, and punishment, argument, punishment.
00:32:16 And then, you know, if you're looking from a financial standpoint, you're like, you're
00:32:19 still gonna have the same, pretty much the same atmosphere.
00:32:23 So let's make a few extra hundred thousand bucks or whatever it would be, you know?
00:32:26 So I don't know.
00:32:28 Crazy thing.
00:32:29 St. Mary's, good basketball team.
00:32:31 I talked about that on the show.
00:32:32 They're good.
00:32:34 People need to understand that.
00:32:35 I know it was a home game, but this team is built to win.
00:32:41 And it's just a weird matchup for us.
00:32:43 And like I said, we just didn't make enough plays.
00:32:46 Just diving in the stats real quick.
00:32:47 I've been doing that on all these.
00:32:49 Grammy K has played fantastic in conference play.
00:32:52 Not as, well, he had a decent game.
00:32:54 He was four for 10.
00:32:55 12 points, 12 rebounds.
00:32:56 So I'll give him a pass.
00:32:59 He's been great for us.
00:33:00 So I think he actually showed up and played well.
00:33:03 Excuse me.
00:33:04 Anton Watson played all 40 minutes.
00:33:07 Six of 10, three of four from the free throw line made that three I mentioned earlier.
00:33:11 10 rebounds, 16 points.
00:33:13 Played his ass off.
00:33:14 Great game.
00:33:15 And Greg, three of seven, seven points, 10 rebounds.
00:33:18 Played 31 minutes.
00:33:19 I think that's a good game for him.
00:33:21 The rebounding aspect of it especially.
00:33:23 Yeah.
00:33:24 Nemhard, who has been really good in conference play, shooting about 45 or above from three.
00:33:32 Last time I checked, he was at 50, but that was a couple of games ago.
00:33:35 But really has shot the ball much better.
00:33:38 Seven of 13, one of two from three.
00:33:41 Three of five from the free throw.
00:33:42 16 points.
00:33:46 Really solid.
00:33:47 Made really good plays.
00:33:49 Nolan, after his career high against LME, really struggled.
00:33:53 Three of 12.
00:33:54 Oh, a five from three.
00:33:57 Seven points.
00:33:58 Played 37 minutes.
00:33:59 Dusty Stromer off the bench.
00:34:00 Only took one field goal.
00:34:01 Played eight minutes.
00:34:03 That was it.
00:34:04 It was nice to see Luka in there.
00:34:07 I know he only played just basically three minutes.
00:34:11 Didn't take a field goal attempt, but I was watching when he checked in.
00:34:13 He did all of his switch packages and everything defensively was fine.
00:34:20 So I was like, "Yay."
00:34:21 I think they're trying to work him into where he can play and give these guys some break.
00:34:29 Three minutes a half or whatever.
00:34:30 We talked about that at length on the previous episodes.
00:34:34 He obviously had that hand injury.
00:34:36 I was pleased to see him get in.
00:34:38 Braden Huff only played 451.
00:34:41 One out of two.
00:34:42 Only had two points.
00:34:43 I was curious why he didn't play as much.
00:34:48 I get worried about him, man, leaving.
00:34:50 I'm just going to throw that out there just because his deal is back and forth so much
00:34:55 as much as he plays.
00:34:58 Some games he's really efficient and some games it's hard for him defensively and the
00:35:02 matchup's bad.
00:35:03 So that's why he's not playing if people are wondering.
00:35:07 So yeah, it was tough sledding for him just getting on the floor.
00:35:11 We never talk much about the plus/minus, but Braden Huff played for almost five minutes
00:35:16 and had minus nine.
00:35:17 Minus nine.
00:35:18 Well, so here's the—I like to play devil's advocate and I like to give the ball a few
00:35:23 points.
00:35:24 He obviously didn't play much, but do you remember when Graham got his fourth with six
00:35:28 minutes to go?
00:35:29 That's right, yeah.
00:35:30 And they put Braden in on that Saxon kid who had a very good—I'll go over their stats
00:35:34 in a second.
00:35:35 What did they do?
00:35:36 They went right at his—
00:35:37 Well, yeah, they went—
00:35:38 No, he went two layups and then he fouled.
00:35:41 So basically three for three, six points on him.
00:35:45 So that's the counter to why he doesn't play sometimes in big games.
00:35:50 Now does he have the ability to play defense?
00:35:52 I think so.
00:35:53 I love the kid.
00:35:54 I love his game.
00:35:55 I really do.
00:35:56 But you got to earn that.
00:35:57 It doesn't matter if I like it.
00:35:59 That's got to be earned by the staff.
00:36:01 So that's where if people are wondering why Braden doesn't get in sometimes, that was
00:36:05 exhibit A. Right or wrong?
00:36:08 And I'm not going to comment whether I think it was right or wrong, but it's easy to point
00:36:13 to that and be like, "They went at his ass three times in a row and they scored."
00:36:17 So, you know what I mean?
00:36:19 So anyway, hopefully he continues to have a great season.
00:36:22 He's averaging like 10 and a half and playing like 14 minutes a game.
00:36:24 So he's been great.
00:36:26 But there is times where he doesn't play a lot and that's the reason why.
00:36:31 People understand.
00:36:32 Now can he become a better defender?
00:36:34 Absolutely.
00:36:35 So I hope it happens.
00:36:37 When I said that I hope, because I want him to stay, I think he has a chance to be one
00:36:40 of our better bigs or in that conversation with our bigs that have been really good here.
00:36:46 I really do.
00:36:47 He has great touch.
00:36:48 He can score.
00:36:49 Good feel.
00:36:50 Decent size.
00:36:51 Moves decently.
00:36:52 Decent hop.
00:36:54 All that stuff.
00:36:55 I like his game.
00:36:57 I want him to stay.
00:36:58 I like lefties as well.
00:36:59 I think one of the keys to the game, and I don't think people really pointed this out,
00:37:05 was Jefferson for St. Mary's.
00:37:08 Sophomore, kind of like Anton's body, kind of kicked our ass.
00:37:12 He played all 40 minutes, was 7 of 14.
00:37:16 Makes that huge 3, 1 for 3, 11 rebounds, 16 points, 4 assists, only 1 turnover.
00:37:22 He really was the difference maker that I think on the scouting report, not that we
00:37:28 didn't have him, but it was Marcellonis and Mahaney.
00:37:33 You know what I'm saying?
00:37:34 You need to control those guys.
00:37:35 He really kicked our ass and kind of took the wind out of our sails a couple times.
00:37:39 He's a really good defender.
00:37:42 Saxon as well, the big kid inside, 6 of 10, 15 points, 6 rebounds.
00:37:46 He was terrific for them.
00:37:49 When we play them again, if we can eliminate, not completely eliminate, but lower those
00:37:54 guys' impact, then we win easily.
00:37:58 So it happened to us last year.
00:38:01 We lost the first game against them, kind of on a weird, remember that last 8 minutes,
00:38:05 Mahaney went bonkers and it was a weird deal.
00:38:10 We got some shitty calls, you know what I mean, where our guys just looked like they
00:38:13 were lost a little bit.
00:38:16 Feels like it did last year.
00:38:19 It feels like, "All right, we're going to play him again.
00:38:21 We're going to figure it out, and then we'll play again in the tournament and beat you."
00:38:24 You know what I'm saying?
00:38:25 Hopefully.
00:38:26 Hopefully, yeah.
00:38:27 But again, last year we had two pros on the team, so it's different.
00:38:34 But I thought all in all, we played okay.
00:38:38 Only losing by two is not the end of the world, and we held them to 64 fucking points.
00:38:42 So it's not like defensively, I don't think our scheme was bad.
00:38:45 I think next time we might look at trapping Mahaney more than just switching on the ball
00:38:50 screen stuff.
00:38:51 But I thought all in all, it wasn't a poorly played game in totality by us.
00:38:58 I mean, three-point shooting again, I hate fucking talking about this.
00:39:01 I'm sick of it.
00:39:02 We were 3 of 14.
00:39:03 It's 21%.
00:39:04 Big game, you know what I mean?
00:39:07 I hate bringing it up all the time because I feel like it's annoying to talk about, and
00:39:13 it's kind of disrespectful in a sense that I know these guys are trying, and they get
00:39:16 their reps up, and I just want to be like, "You're not making shots.
00:39:19 That's not going to help anything either."
00:39:21 You know what I mean?
00:39:22 That doesn't make me feel good because I know what it was like to go through slumps and
00:39:26 stuff.
00:39:27 It's not fun when people keep reminding you of it either.
00:39:29 But it's a topic we have to bring it up or we wouldn't be a proper Zag podcast.
00:39:37 So yeah, 3 of 14.
00:39:39 And then here's another stat that kind of jumped out.
00:39:42 I mean, just look at this, just a turnover.
00:39:45 Only five.
00:39:46 Only five and then seven turnovers.
00:39:48 Ball wasn't pinging around.
00:39:50 Part of that to do with it's not like guys playing selfish.
00:39:52 St. Mary's are really good defensively.
00:39:54 They grab, hold, all that shit.
00:39:57 And they stay connected.
00:39:58 They get in gaps, all that stuff.
00:40:00 So that part was hard.
00:40:01 It was.
00:40:02 The part that I was, after watching my son and my daughter play basketball earlier in
00:40:07 the day, they were just like, you know, little kids just like take a lot of shots.
00:40:10 They miss a lot of shots.
00:40:12 And Gonzaga was kind of doing, like, Nimhard, I mean, Hickman would get, they would take
00:40:18 the ball and get close to the hoop and then they would just miss.
00:40:20 It would be like a good shot, but then it just wouldn't go in.
00:40:24 Yeah.
00:40:25 Just make a bowl.
00:40:26 Yeah.
00:40:27 Like some floaters that just didn't go in.
00:40:28 Well, again, it's like what I said earlier, like that six and a half to two and a half
00:40:33 minute, that four minute stretch, like, God, somebody's got to go score.
00:40:37 I know, and it sounds funny, but like when you get to this level, you're going to run
00:40:40 your actions.
00:40:41 But like somebody has to go like score the basketball.
00:40:43 It gets really simple late in games.
00:40:47 It really does.
00:40:48 Like, and you know, you've heard me say it a million times, make or miss league.
00:40:52 It's same thing in the NBA.
00:40:53 Like you throw it to your, you get your two best guys and you throw it to them and go,
00:40:56 this is why I'm paying you money.
00:40:58 It's no different here.
00:40:59 This is why we're, you're our guy, go score or at least get us thrust towards the rim,
00:41:05 get foul, make a play, all that stuff.
00:41:08 And we were just kind of playing ring around the Rosie and weren't getting, taking really
00:41:11 good shots, getting late into the shot clock.
00:41:14 So that part, it's getting a little bit frustrating constantly to kind of have to think about
00:41:20 that and talk about it.
00:41:21 I was like, come on, somebody go, go get a bucket.
00:41:22 You know what I'm saying?
00:41:23 So, but for the most part, the teams were even, we were plus six on the glass, 24 55
00:41:31 from the field, they're 25 55.
00:41:32 So you call that a wash.
00:41:34 They made seven threes.
00:41:35 We only made four.
00:41:36 I mentioned that, but we get four more makes on the free throw line.
00:41:40 Like it, it was, it was, you know, from a neutral point of view, it was a solid basketball
00:41:44 game to watch.
00:41:46 It was just the weirdest, like last minute and a half I've ever experienced in that building.
00:41:50 It just really was.
00:41:52 And then again, the fan stuff was weird.
00:41:54 And so, but again, it puts us behind the eight ball, man, on some of this, for being completely
00:42:01 honest, we're two games back now.
00:42:03 We still have San Francisco once who's good, who's 65 in the net.
00:42:08 We're 27 St. Mary's is 21.
00:42:12 And then we got St. Mary's again at their place.
00:42:14 So hopefully we can figure out a way to get two wins or excuse me, another win or two
00:42:20 wins against both of those teams, one each.
00:42:23 But we have Kentucky coming up at Kentucky.
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00:42:52 Phew.
00:42:53 That was a lot of keeping up.
00:42:55 You ready for a break?
00:43:01 We have Kentucky coming up at Kentucky.
00:43:03 17 is kind of floundered a little bit of recent past.
00:43:08 It's got like, I think probably four pros on their team, legitimately shocking.
00:43:13 Kentucky has pros, but they're super talented.
00:43:17 They'd looked a little bit more connected this year.
00:43:22 Have a great kid in Reeves averaging about 20 points a game.
00:43:25 They're third in the nation scoring at 88 points a game.
00:43:30 17 and 15 in the coaches poll.
00:43:34 Had two losses last week, but in the SEC.
00:43:37 You know what I mean?
00:43:38 It's just different leagues.
00:43:39 Sometimes you get caught in a hard weekend and it happens.
00:43:43 This is a really good opportunity to maybe get a win that has a resume builder type of
00:43:50 thing.
00:43:53 I think we have two games of those left.
00:43:55 Or maybe, probably three.
00:43:56 Two and a half.
00:43:57 Two and a half.
00:43:58 Yeah, you're right.
00:43:59 I think Mary's is one on the road.
00:44:00 I think San Francisco can be counted as one.
00:44:03 But definitely the one at Rupp Arena this Saturday.
00:44:06 We're going to have to really slow down Reeves.
00:44:09 We're going to have to play.
00:44:10 We have to play our pace, but we can't get into a complete shootout.
00:44:13 I think they're more talented in that situation.
00:44:17 But I do like that it's not a team like UConn or Purdue where we'd be completely outmatched
00:44:24 physically inside.
00:44:25 So what I'm trying to get to is they play a similar style, so that helps.
00:44:29 So maybe we can get a shootout with them.
00:44:32 But they're going to have something for our asses, man, because we ran them out of the
00:44:35 building last year in the arena.
00:44:37 It was rocking in there.
00:44:39 And we ran their asses out of the building like, "Have fun."
00:44:43 So they're waiting for us.
00:44:46 And I guarantee Cal's going to have them fired up.
00:44:49 And then it's pretty cool that we get to play in Rupp Arena.
00:44:51 I've never been.
00:44:52 I've never experienced it.
00:44:53 I'm excited to do it.
00:44:54 I'm not excited to take the fucking trip.
00:44:56 I've looked at it.
00:44:57 It's like three flights, I think, to get there.
00:44:59 And it's like, "Oh my God, nah, this sucks."
00:45:03 But anyway, tough life, Adam.
00:45:05 Right, you know.
00:45:07 Anyway, it's just like, it's going to be a really cool experience.
00:45:10 So hopefully we can come out and play well.
00:45:13 I think for our guys, it's a perfect opportunity to play with no expectations, I guess, is
00:45:20 the right way to—I don't know if it's the right way to put it.
00:45:23 Maybe we want to win, but you're not going to be favored.
00:45:26 It's a great chance for us to get a win.
00:45:30 If we don't, we're still kind of in the same position.
00:45:32 We've still got to win two games in Vegas, I think, to make it to the tournament.
00:45:36 Either way.
00:45:37 So it's like, go let it rip and get one of these hard-nosed wins and be a solid team
00:45:43 and then start feeling better about yourself.
00:45:45 You know, I hope these guys feel good about themselves because there is a lot of chatter
00:45:50 around town.
00:45:51 I mean, you can—right?
00:45:52 I've heard a lot.
00:45:53 I'm sure you have.
00:45:54 If you read Instagram pages, and I don't go on Twitter, but like underneath when we
00:46:00 lose, there's a lot of people that are like really, really mean to some of these players
00:46:07 and some of the stuff they say.
00:46:08 And I'm like, "Man, I hope these kids don't read this stuff."
00:46:11 Like someone that's really mean, you know?
00:46:15 And it's not funny because I've dealt with that in my pro career.
00:46:18 It's not fun.
00:46:20 But at the same time, it's part of the beast.
00:46:22 So like it's an easy counter to be like, "So, boo-hoo, man.
00:46:27 You're going to fly on private jet."
00:46:28 You know what I mean?
00:46:29 So I get that too.
00:46:30 You know what I mean?
00:46:31 - Yeah.
00:46:32 - Oh my God, you get to go to—you know, you play games and you're popular on campus
00:46:37 and I get that.
00:46:38 You get paid.
00:46:39 Like, oh my God.
00:46:40 So I get that.
00:46:41 But also it's like, dude, some of these people are just—I don't know what I really mean.
00:46:46 But they need to remember that they're highly talented college basketball players.
00:46:51 They're going to Gonzaga for a reason and just start hooping.
00:46:53 I know that sounds funny, but like I tell my daughter that all the time.
00:46:58 Just like, I'm like, "Just go ball, man.
00:47:00 I don't know what to tell you.
00:47:01 Like go hoop.
00:47:02 That's what you got to do in these situations, especially February and you get to March,
00:47:07 late February into March, you just got to go hoop.
00:47:09 Your best guy's got to go play good and go—and that's fun when you do that.
00:47:15 Don't play loose.
00:47:16 Don't play tight and all that stuff.
00:47:17 So hopefully that happens.
00:47:19 Kentucky's a great opportunity to do that.
00:47:23 But I just hope their confidence stays high and they don't listen to the detractors and
00:47:28 then they can really get on a nice winning streak.
00:47:32 Hopefully get St. Mary's at their place.
00:47:34 And then just like I said, just get to Vegas and hopefully get a top two seed.
00:47:39 You get that by and just win two fucking games.
00:47:41 That's all you got to do.
00:47:42 And then you're in the tournament and nobody will talk about this team in a negative way.
00:47:47 You'll be another tournament team who's had great success and you can have a summer to
00:47:53 get better and improve your skills and get more team chemistry because you renew new
00:47:59 faces and hopefully onward and upward.
00:48:03 - Yeah, I mean, I think the team definitely has the skill and the ability to be great.
00:48:10 And I mean, I feel like Graham Meekay in the St. Mary's game just got really frustrated
00:48:15 because he kept on, he got a couple of bad foul calls on him.
00:48:20 - I thought he got bummed a lot too on some of his attempts.
00:48:24 - Yeah.
00:48:25 But I feel like someone, and I think it's either Graham or Anton, just need to like,
00:48:30 they need to go out there and they just need to start, they just need to try to run the
00:48:34 ball through them.
00:48:35 I don't know, there's just a lot that, like you always talk about, you wanted to go score
00:48:42 whatever number you wanted to score when you were in college.
00:48:45 And I don't know if Anton has that, if he has that killer instinct to go and score,
00:48:52 but I feel like he's the one that needs to find it.
00:48:54 - I think Anton's had his, counting last year, he's had his best 18 months of college basketball.
00:49:02 - He's playing great.
00:49:03 - He's playing great.
00:49:04 I don't think that's his mentality or his personality, which is not a bad thing.
00:49:10 So I think it's got to be like, I think Ryan's got to be a vocal leader.
00:49:14 I think Graham can move into that.
00:49:16 But I think Anton's just not that type of kid.
00:49:20 He's a do-it type instead of a vocal.
00:49:24 But yeah, something's, I mean, hopefully they figure it out.
00:49:29 Because I don't want those kids to have to have that burden of the team that broke the
00:49:35 streak.
00:49:36 That would suck.
00:49:38 And we've had teams in the past that have been on the same path, 2015-16, the year where
00:49:43 Shimmy gets hurt and it's Wiltshire and Dolmus inside and they just said, "Fuck it," and
00:49:49 they just balled out.
00:49:51 And then the year after I left, so like Rav, Rav senior year, Kuso, Heifelt, Hennigraf,
00:50:00 they had some tough times.
00:50:03 I've heard that they were like, "Fuck it, we're not going to be the team."
00:50:06 And they figured it out and won the tournament and went on.
00:50:09 You know what I mean?
00:50:10 Figured it out.
00:50:12 So it's possible.
00:50:15 It's not an insurmountable hill to climb, but there is going to be work.
00:50:20 And all you can do is jump back on the horse.
00:50:26 I know it sounds funny, but there's really nothing else that can be done.
00:50:29 You got to grind, "Nose to the grindstone" is what I'm trying to say, and try to string
00:50:36 some wins together.
00:50:37 - Yeah, I think it starts this weekend.
00:50:39 I pose a question, if we don't win the tournament at the end of the season, we have to win,
00:50:49 beat Kentucky and St. Mary's, even have a resume builder to make it to be in that large
00:50:55 bid.
00:50:56 But I don't even, I don't know the, neither do you, but we don't know how they make these
00:51:01 selections.
00:51:02 But you got to have a resume builder.
00:51:04 You can't have an 0 and 7 against-
00:51:06 - Quad twos.
00:51:07 - Quad ones.
00:51:08 - Yeah, quad ones, quad twos, whatever.
00:51:13 If we don't beat Kentucky or St. Mary's and don't win the tournament, we're not getting
00:51:18 in the tournament.
00:51:19 That's not even a hot take or trying to be like, "Go viral with this statement."
00:51:24 It's just the reality.
00:51:25 If you look at deep diving our resume, we just don't have that.
00:51:28 But I think if we would beat, theoretically, if we could get lucky enough to beat Kentucky
00:51:33 and then beat St. Mary's and finish undefeated, and then get to the championship game and
00:51:39 maybe lose a close one, I think we'd be for sure a bubble team that could get in.
00:51:44 That's the only other scenario.
00:51:46 You'd have to get to the championship game and you'd have to beat Kentucky and you'd
00:51:49 have to run the rest of the table to WCC and then lose, maybe lose on a buzzer beater versus
00:51:55 St. Mary's in the championship game.
00:51:57 I think we'd have a legitimate chance to get in, but it'd still be a nervous Sunday.
00:52:01 - Yeah, it would be.
00:52:02 It'd be very-
00:52:03 - Yeah, it would be a nervous Sunday.
00:52:05 But all in all, I'm still positive and looking forward to watching this team grow and continue
00:52:16 playing hard.
00:52:17 I thought they played their asses off that game, just a few mistakes.
00:52:20 And then, again, I don't want to sound like a hypocrite.
00:52:24 I don't like blaming officials, but this was one where there were some really egregious
00:52:28 ones.
00:52:29 It wasn't just a couple weird fouls down the stretch.
00:52:32 These were like violation, shot clock violation, just like those were bad, where you sit there
00:52:37 and you go, "Okay, at this level, we can't have these ones be wrong."
00:52:42 You know what I mean?
00:52:43 At this level, you can have missed foul calls, because that's the viewpoint, but violations,
00:52:48 at this level, you're supposed to fucking get it right.
00:52:51 And I think every fan base and every fan and every coaching staff, if Mahaney got called
00:52:58 for stepping out of bounds, St. Mary's wouldn't even argue.
00:53:01 "I saw him.
00:53:02 He stepped out of bounds."
00:53:03 You know what I mean?
00:53:04 When you're in a game coaching and somebody steps out of bounds, you're just like, "Oops."
00:53:09 You know?
00:53:10 - Yeah, no, yeah.
00:53:11 - You saw it.
00:53:12 He stepped out.
00:53:13 You know what I mean?
00:53:14 Or even on travels, when a kid rips through and picks up their pivot foot and you notice
00:53:17 travel and they call it, you don't even argue.
00:53:18 It's like, "Yeah, you traveled, man."
00:53:20 You know what I mean?
00:53:21 So violations, you got to get it right.
00:53:24 - It always amazes me when we live in this day and age where there's so much technology
00:53:28 and why can't we have cameras looking at every angle of a court?
00:53:32 And there's a way to track all this stuff.
00:53:35 If someone steps out of bounds, there could be an automatic thing that would let someone
00:53:41 know that they're out of bounds.
00:53:43 - And you could do that, honestly, under one minute.
00:53:47 And where it's like, "Okay, this is only going to be a factor, but that's a very good point."
00:53:50 You could do pylons but extended.
00:53:54 And yeah, somebody steps out and then you could go to it and you have it and boom.
00:53:58 That's a really good point.
00:54:00 I guarantee the NBA would do that if there ever was a game that decided like that in
00:54:05 the finals and especially how much it gets bet.
00:54:09 That's what a lot of the decisions are made.
00:54:11 It's like, because if Vegas calls and says, "Hey," and believe it or not, people don't
00:54:18 rig games, but Vegas, the betting stuff, how much money they make off of it and how much
00:54:22 is a symbiotic relationship, they listen.
00:54:26 Because if the desert doesn't like it and it screws up, then your viewership goes down.
00:54:31 Then they realize, "Shoot, less eyeballs are going to be on this, less traction, clicks."
00:54:35 Then I cancel ads.
00:54:37 You know what I mean?
00:54:38 It works together.
00:54:41 Like if there was ever a situation, but that's why the NFL is great.
00:54:44 Those pylon cameras, they can switch those things and they know like, "Hey, this is a
00:54:50 lot of money is being bet on this game."
00:54:52 That's why some people are watching.
00:54:53 They don't really care who the teams are.
00:54:56 They're just betting on it anyway.
00:54:57 So that's a very good point.
00:54:59 Why can't you just have that?
00:55:02 I think they'd have to do a trial.
00:55:04 You know how they always do the trials like in the November tournaments?
00:55:08 Where sometimes they'll make the key longer or the three-point line different.
00:55:12 Have a trial with that.
00:55:13 Because there's got to be a technology where they can tell if somebody has a basketball
00:55:18 and they step out, a red light comes on.
00:55:20 I guarantee there is.
00:55:21 It has to exist.
00:55:22 I mean, if it doesn't exist, yeah.
00:55:24 There is.
00:55:25 It's not there.
00:55:26 It has to be.
00:55:27 Like, yes, there is.
00:55:28 Like we can put a missile through a doorway.
00:55:30 You don't get it.
00:55:32 Yeah.
00:55:33 But I don't think there is just if it's released yet or if it's on the private sector, has
00:55:38 it yet.
00:55:39 It's out there.
00:55:40 We're at the point in our humanity where we should stop letting calls be decided by humans.
00:55:47 Yeah.
00:55:48 No, that's a fair...
00:55:49 I think Major League Baseball is talking about doing robot umps.
00:55:53 And there's a big pushback.
00:55:54 But some people are like, "Dude, it'd be awesome.
00:55:56 Like striker ball."
00:55:57 And you know what I mean?
00:55:59 It's easy.
00:56:00 But I like the human aspect.
00:56:02 But you're right.
00:56:04 If the guy steps out, like why couldn't there be boom?
00:56:08 It was a...
00:56:09 I mean, it went from a two-point play to a five-point play.
00:56:14 A five-point play.
00:56:15 It took the error out of the game.
00:56:16 Yeah.
00:56:17 Because if we get that, obviously we go down.
00:56:19 If we score, then we're up.
00:56:20 It's just so easy to...
00:56:21 Yeah.
00:56:22 And then maybe we win that game and they go, "We beat a top 20 net team and we're back
00:56:28 on track."
00:56:29 But the whole tenor of the town and how they're speaking about the kids and how I'm talking
00:56:33 about this team and how we present this is so much different.
00:56:38 It's crazy.
00:56:39 University of Portland, I don't care.
00:56:42 I'm not going to talk about that game.
00:56:44 We'll talk about it after.
00:56:45 They're okay.
00:56:46 They're not great.
00:56:47 They're not terrible either.
00:56:49 It's Portland.
00:56:50 They're 9-15, 3-6, 7-4 at home, 2-9 away.
00:56:54 Have some good players.
00:56:55 But we usually do a good job against them.
00:56:58 So yeah, hopefully I have some good news next week when we talk about the trip to Kentucky.
00:57:05 It's a big-time opportunity for us.
00:57:07 It's kind of the last one besides St. Mary's at home.
00:57:09 Being frank, San Francisco, there are places in that realm, but not as big.
00:57:14 So hopefully people tune in and cheer.
00:57:18 I'm critical of this team, but hopefully we keep it on a sane level.
00:57:22 And that's not being mean, me being a participation trophy guy, but also like, "Okay, let's calm
00:57:30 down a little bit here."
00:57:31 It's not like they lost by 20 and didn't show any effort.
00:57:34 There was some big shit that happened and a tough break.
00:57:38 This is still a good basketball team.
00:57:41 Helping them get over the finish line is being positive will help that.
00:57:46 Negative won't.
00:57:47 It doesn't help anybody.
00:57:48 So I don't know.
00:57:49 - I've got to ask, you're traveling to Kentucky on Saturday.
00:57:55 Are you going to miss the Super Bowl?
00:57:58 - That's a really good point.
00:57:59 That's...
00:58:00 Fuck that.
00:58:01 I didn't even think about that.
00:58:03 Hopefully we're coming back Saturday night.
00:58:05 That's a really good point.
00:58:06 I'm going to have to call Learfield and figure that out.
00:58:10 That's a really good point.
00:58:11 I don't want to miss the Super Bowl.
00:58:12 - Yeah, no, I was going to ask, do you...
00:58:17 - I don't give a shit.
00:58:18 I give a shit in the fact that I want the Super Bowl to be close.
00:58:23 I don't watch very much football besides red zone in the background.
00:58:30 And then I usually flip on Sunday night football at the end of the week.
00:58:34 You're like, "Oh, it's the game."
00:58:35 You just have it on the background.
00:58:38 But I find it hard to bet against Mahomes, man.
00:58:42 That's good.
00:58:43 - It's just like he has that thing where he's just that guy.
00:58:47 Even these last two games, you hear on the pundit shows, he didn't have great numbers.
00:58:53 He's smart enough to know that he doesn't have to because he has a good defense.
00:58:56 But he's like, "That good."
00:58:58 This may sound funny, but he knows, "I'm just going to fucking win the game, hand it off,
00:59:02 make my 11 passes to Travis Kelsey and score."
00:59:06 You know what I mean?
00:59:07 He's in that realm where he's smart enough to know, "All right, there's some games where
00:59:11 I have to be the guy and there's some games where my defense is clicking and we're rolling.
00:59:16 I'll go 16 for 20 with two 10 and two touchdowns, no turnovers, control the pace of the game."
00:59:23 You know what I'm saying?
00:59:24 That's a real skill too.
00:59:25 People don't understand that.
00:59:26 "Oh, it's game management."
00:59:28 No shit.
00:59:29 Game management to a fucking win.
00:59:31 Thank you.
00:59:32 You know what I mean?
00:59:33 And he understands legacy and stuff.
00:59:37 That's what he's chasing now, which is crazy how early it is in his career.
00:59:39 - No kidding, yeah.
00:59:40 - He's already chasing, "I want to be the all-time great."
00:59:43 And he knows you win another one of these, you're in that realm already.
00:59:49 And so I don't want to bet against him.
00:59:53 I don't care about the Taylor Swift stuff.
00:59:56 I really don't.
00:59:59 Both sides have a fair argument because it is annoying per se if they show her.
01:00:05 But then it was funny when whoever did it was like, "They show her for 25 seconds."
01:00:10 Actual time, somebody timed it.
01:00:13 So like, dude, who cares?
01:00:14 They show fans all the time.
01:00:16 Like when they show Jack Nicklaus at a game, they get pissed or they show whoever.
01:00:22 But I think that's just part of when people...
01:00:26 What's the term when people don't like stuff in popular culture?
01:00:30 - Oh, they're being contrarians.
01:00:32 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:00:34 So it's bad to like stuff that's popular.
01:00:40 Everything that's popular sucks.
01:00:41 You know what I mean?
01:00:42 It's like, so I get that part.
01:00:45 There is some shitty popular stuff.
01:00:46 - Right.
01:00:47 - Right?
01:00:48 You and I will agree on that.
01:00:49 But also like you can't hate everything that's popular.
01:00:52 And like, she's kind of harmless to me.
01:00:54 You know what I mean?
01:00:56 - She just won Album of the Year at the Grammys.
01:00:57 - Four times.
01:00:58 - Yeah, for the fourth time, she's having the time of her life.
01:01:02 She seems like a nice person too.
01:01:06 She doesn't seem...
01:01:08 Everybody has their moments, but she doesn't seem like rude or at least condescending.
01:01:14 So you're kind of like, "I don't see the complete hate for it."
01:01:20 But people like the hate anyway.
01:01:21 - I mean, we both come from the '80s and '90s and loving celebrities and seeing Michael
01:01:27 Jackson and all these...
01:01:29 - She's just another version of Madonna, but bigger.
01:01:31 - Yeah, exactly.
01:01:32 - She's just more personalized.
01:01:33 And I love Madonna.
01:01:34 - And I think it's good for the economy.
01:01:36 It's good for people being...
01:01:39 Other people that don't have a rooting interest are watching now because they...
01:01:45 - Oh, that's why the NFL loves it.
01:01:46 It brings that other aspect into it.
01:01:49 So that's part of the why it's presented the way it is because it adds another demographic
01:01:57 that might not watch.
01:01:59 But it's also like NFL, you have literally one-third probably of the country watches
01:02:04 your games, which is insane.
01:02:06 Maybe more.
01:02:07 - Well, now even more people are going to watch it.
01:02:08 - You get what I'm saying?
01:02:10 How much more do you want?
01:02:11 You know what I mean?
01:02:12 Like, holy shit.
01:02:13 - That's true.
01:02:14 - But anyway.
01:02:17 So yeah, I think the Chiefs will win.
01:02:20 I don't like betting.
01:02:22 I think that Niners are better, but I think it's one of those where it's just the guy,
01:02:26 dude.
01:02:27 - 17 for 25, three touchdowns, no interceptions.
01:02:31 You know what I mean?
01:02:32 Hand it off to Pacheco, he'll have 80-something.
01:02:35 And then Kelsey will have eight with a touchdown.
01:02:38 And they win 24 to 21.
01:02:40 He wins another Super Bowl.
01:02:43 And the only thing that's funny is when we look back in his career that Tom Brady's the
01:02:48 only one that's beat him so far.
01:02:50 - Oh, so...
01:02:51 - Right?
01:02:52 - Oh, wow.
01:02:53 Yeah.
01:02:54 - And you know that's got to bother.
01:02:55 - Totally.
01:02:56 - And then he gets to the GOAT debate.
01:02:57 - Oh, my God.
01:02:58 - You're like, wait a second.
01:02:59 - You got beat by Tom Brady.
01:03:00 - You got beat by Tom Brady when he was fucking 43 or whatever.
01:03:05 So that's what's always going to be crazy 10 years from now when they have that, when
01:03:10 he's retired or whatever.
01:03:12 That is going to come up and it's going to be legitimate.
01:03:14 It's like, he was on a new team and he was fucking old and he beat you.
01:03:19 And Tom Brady's going to be sitting there, not going to say it, but just like, "Yep,
01:03:22 I got that one in my back pocket."
01:03:24 - Oh, that's funny.
01:03:25 - But anyway, yeah, thanks for everybody listening.
01:03:28 Like I said, next week we'll talk about the Kentucky road trip.
01:03:30 Hopefully it's a positive one.
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01:03:39 See you next week.
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