Ashley James and Nick Ferrari clashed on This Morning over Rishi Sunak's trans joke.
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00:00 But I say again, he is not a venal man.
00:02 He did it for political reasons, but he should have excised it
00:05 from the script.
00:05 But it shouldn't have mattered whether she
00:07 was in the house or not.
00:08 This type of language needs to stop.
00:11 And actually--
00:12 If the leader of the opposition takes months
00:15 to work out exactly where he stands on such a key issue,
00:18 that is OK for the prime minister politically--
00:21 please listen to that-- politically
00:22 to question the man's judgment.
00:23 I think that's sound.
00:24 But he's a vulnerable group, and we do have to be sensitive
00:27 to that, don't we?
00:28 But if you--
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