What will Klint Kubiak bring to the table for the Saints offense? What can we expect based on his track history?
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00:00 What's going on everybody how you guys doing on a fine Sunday evening?
00:04 Ross Jackson alongside me John Hendricks could bring you the very first episode of second and Saints
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00:19 But you know before we get unto this fabulous Saints talk Ross
00:23 I have to kind of pick a little bit you had a really
00:27 The like the most New Orleans thing to happen to you before getting into your house to the show. So yeah
00:34 Yeah, this is what I get for it
00:37 Look, I I knew that when I came back home and I came back to the city that I wasn't gonna live outside of
00:41 The city I wasn't gonna live, you know away from the the the rambunctious nature and the personality of the city
00:47 so I'm writing to think of it I'm in the sixth Ward sixth seventh Ward and
00:50 There was like a big block party up underneath
00:54 Claiborne which is kind of like the big bridge that is effectively like that's the Claiborne is the
00:58 The road that runs on either side of the I-10 which is like right through the heart of New Orleans proper
01:04 and to be about 20 minutes to get from like five minutes away to here because
01:10 There was they had police all over the place big old block party
01:15 People were twerking on the police cars when they were trying to drive by it was the most New Orleans
01:20 Experience I've had a long time and I'm grateful that I made it through and made it here on time
01:25 I was still five minutes early. So I was good. So yeah, no, it's it
01:28 I am here fresh off the most New Orleanian New Orleans experience ever and I love it
01:34 I'm glad to be here on the first episode
01:36 Look to quote what Denver the ride never stops Russell Wilson. He never never stops. It never stops, right?
01:44 It's fun times but again, thank you guys for tuning in, you know, we're gonna talk plenty of Saints
01:49 That's why we're here probably and just you know, again, we don't have any agendas here
01:53 We don't have any like we're not trying to compete with people
01:56 We're just two guys that love this team love covering this team and are just passionate about what we do and give you some
02:03 Different insight from guys who are there and in the locker rooms talk to coaches all that fun stuff
02:08 So, you know, let's just kind of just jump into it
02:12 Kubiak that's kind of big news right Saints
02:15 Offensive staff gets a complete makeover. But you know, obviously the big one is Clint Kubiak
02:23 That's the one that's only been announced right? We hear about the other ones that are coming all that good stuff, but click to be ax here
02:29 Obviously, there's a lot of excitement. He's gonna work with Derek Carr good bit and hopefully re-inject this offense
02:36 I mean this offense has been what mostly the same since 2006 2009 and
02:42 Changes, right, but yeah, you know, that's a different style of offense now for the Saints
02:47 What can fans kind of expect from Clint Kubiak? What are you most looking forward to?
02:53 Yeah, I think the big thing for me is you know
02:59 I kind of I wrote a piece over at Saints News Network that kind of had the three elements that I'm most looking forward to
03:04 The first of which is misdirection if you look at any type of Shanahan style system
03:10 Misdirection is its trademark. It's its thumbprint, right?
03:13 That's that's the whole thing and for folks that are worried that Clint Kubiak only spent one year under Kyle Shanahan
03:18 We have to remember and I'm writing another piece about this right now that the Kyle Shanahan system before it was Kyle Shanahan
03:24 System was Mike Shanahan system his dad's which he developed alongside Gary Kubiak Clint Kubiak's dad
03:31 So that's where that system comes from Denver a little bit of you know
03:35 It going on over at Houston Kyle Shanahan starting under you know being over at in Houston with Gary Kubiak all that
03:42 So yes, he's got enough experience in the sort of origins of the system to bring it. It's not just one year in San Francisco
03:48 So I think you're seeing the misdirection you're seeing a lot of motion the Saints use fourteen point three percent motion last year
03:53 Which is twenty eighth twenty sixth in the NFL somewhere in those sort of high twenties there while San Francisco 49ers were
04:00 37.7% John that was second in the NFL so a big time gap in between those
04:04 And then the other piece of it for me was utility right the way that they utilize some of these players think about Debo Samuel
04:10 Brandon IU Christian McCaffrey even George Kittle to an extent Kyle you check all those guys kind of
04:15 In their own little ways kind of fit that position listness tag, and I think that guys like taste some
04:21 Alvin Kamara Rasheed Shaheed all have that ability as well
04:25 I think that there's a lot of those pieces that you're gonna see play action misdirection doing things
04:31 simply with a sort of
04:34 air of
04:35 Complexity right and let me make you look in six different directions before I throw a slant like that's the kind of stuff that you're
04:41 Gonna see from Clint Kubiak's offense. I expect I don't think it's gonna work right away week one
04:47 I think it's gonna take some time to grow into it a couple of weeks
04:49 But hopefully not 12 like what we saw last year before the offense really gets rolling
04:53 So those are some my expectations from a Clint Kubiak New Orleans Saints offense
04:57 Yeah, it's funny because it was one of those things where they weren't using play action
05:01 They weren't using a lot of motion to start the year. I just don't understand that you know and obviously it grew as the season progresses
05:08 Like you know I think what I like about play action and all those types of things if you can get the defense off their
05:14 Game for just a half second that means a lot right yeah
05:17 And so I mean there's just so much to come now
05:19 I tell you one of the things that I'm really excited about
05:21 I'm just watching Clint Kubiak, and I was looking at his time in Minnesota one of the things
05:25 I looked at there was his offensive scheme where he lined up Justin Jefferson in the backfield and
05:31 Justin Jefferson is running a Texas route, so it's kind of like an angle route, but obviously for fans
05:36 It's kind of like you take one yard in and then you cut inside
05:38 And so one of those he's a decoy and the other one he actually hits a touchdown on it
05:44 And so it's just like that type of creativity that type of stuff that that can bring an exciting element to the table
05:51 Not only that but it's also an effective one because you look at a guy like if it's a Rashid Shaheed
05:57 You gotta account for this guy, and if he's running
06:00 Angular angle or Texas route or something like that out of this offense and you I mean you know how how fast he can cut
06:08 On a dime and stuff right there's just so much that it comes through with that
06:12 It's just one of the many examples they use misdirection
06:15 Obviously you know you look at some of the things in Minnesota wasn't the best it wasn't perfect and of course nobody is but again
06:22 just the simple usage of
06:24 Play action and motion all these other things just to get the defense off of their element just for a little bit
06:30 Spells difference we saw it in Super Bowl you saw it with Brock Purdy
06:34 You saw it with what they were able to do with the Chiefs defense at times now
06:38 You know we it's a to do is network. We picked the Chiefs to win that game
06:42 I said Spads was gonna be the difference
06:44 I just thought that that's what was gonna go, but you know you see those elements
06:48 What is something else maybe that San Francisco did or maybe something you took from that Super Bowl it?
06:54 May say oh well I could see the Saints doing that yeah
06:58 I think the zone blocking in the run game is a big one and this kind of gets Alvin Kamara back to his bread and
07:03 butter from 2017-18
07:05 Even really 1920 a little bit too when he was working in concert with Latavius Murray
07:09 Just having sort of that zone run scheme to where basically instead of the offensive lineman being concerned with blocking the defensive lineman
07:15 That's directly in front of them the block and a gap so you're gonna see them move
07:18 And then if there's nobody on the defensive line in that gap then that offensive lineman shoots the second level
07:24 sometimes the third level if they need to and so when that happens that just kind of ends up giving that
07:29 Offensive lineman that offensive line the opportunity to have time to move
07:33 Develop those blocks develop those holes and in the running back
07:36 It's time to be patient and read sort of where those opening up and every sort of outside zone run
07:42 comes with three different options for that running back to be able to cut outside cut back inside to the middle or be able to
07:49 Bounce it back around to the outside and reverse field which is like last
07:52 You know, it's obviously like, you know last ditch effort last resort kind of stuff
07:57 and so I
07:59 Think seeing a bit of that is is the other piece and so I think about the the run before
08:04 Right before Christian McCaffrey fumbled in the opening drive in the Super Bowl for San Francisco
08:09 You had D Bo Samuel run that orbit motion to where he was lined up tight to the line to the offensive line
08:14 Ran all the way around the quarterback who had Brock Purdy
08:18 He had Christian McCaffrey and Kyle you check on his hips. How nice is that for a quarterback?
08:22 By the way, and then D Bo Samuel maybe it was Juwan Jennings runs that motion all the way around
08:26 They snap the ball while some of the defensive eyes go that way the box gets lightened up a little bit
08:31 You get a guard that pulls just like a lot of movement
08:34 Happening and then the athletic offensive line paves the way for Christian McCaffrey to run for eight yards
08:40 Then he turns around he fights for an additional four picks up 12 yards on the play those types of things
08:45 I think are the other pieces that maybe aren't the big plays downfield that maybe aren't the you know
08:51 Passing plays that draw a lot of excitement and draw a lot of attention
08:54 But that run game which we've seen over and over again and especially with some of the incoming staff that we expect to be there
08:59 John Benton Rick Denison
09:02 I mean
09:02 These are all guys that have put together very very good run games in the past
09:06 and so I would expect to continue to see a bit more of a lean into you know,
09:10 40% of the Saints offensive plays in 2024 going to the run game things like that
09:15 I'm glad you said a couple of things because
09:19 You hinted you said offensive line so many times, right? Yep. This doesn't work unless you have a good offensive line
09:26 athletic offensive line so
09:30 Athleticism I could see it guys like Eric McCoy you get Cesar Ruiz in space and I mean Andre's Pete too
09:36 But of course, he's a free agent, but this offensive line for the Saints
09:40 That's kind of a little bit of my main concern and I've wrote about it plenty. We've talked about it plenty
09:45 I think between the offensive line the defensive line. Those are probably two biggest areas
09:51 The Saints team has got to address and this is not the year
09:54 That you go in the first round and take the project guy with the good RAS score with all this
10:00 You know from the D two was all these measurables and all this stuff. This isn't the year
10:05 I think they have to go with a veteran offensive lineman
10:08 Whether it's a guard or tackle or hopefully both they got to swing for the fences on a pass rusher
10:13 But this does not work properly unless you have the athletic
10:17 Talent on the offensive line and you have guys that can back those guys up, right?
10:22 Yeah, and I think you have to invest in this all in this offseason for this offensive line
10:28 I don't think you can walk in with this year's offensive line, especially with the question marks that you have
10:32 Will Andrews Pete be back if he is what position is he playing what's gonna happen in terms of development of Trevor penning?
10:38 Will they be more patient around that with this new offensive staff or will they become a less patient since it's not
10:43 Their guy that they you know that they went out there and wanted to draft to get into the system
10:48 What's gonna happen with Ryan Ramchick? Is he healthy? Is he not does he have the offseason surgery?
10:52 Is he available for the 2024 season?
10:54 And if he is is he available week one so I think you have to invest here and there are some players out there
11:00 Dalton Reisner is somebody that in 2021 played under
11:04 Clint Kubiak in Minnesota. He spent some time in Denver as well, which was also a stop for Clint Kubiak
11:11 you know and then you look at the
11:12 Just incredible draft class of offensive linemen that we have coming up here in the 2024 draft
11:18 Which we'll get to draft stuff later on but I mean goodness like it's a good year to need to rebuild your offensive line
11:24 Believe it or not. And so I'm very interested to see how the Saints end up
11:28 Investing in that right because you're gonna do it in free agency and in the draft
11:31 You're not gonna wait around for the draft to get that done. So I'm really interested to see how they go about it
11:35 I'm glad you brought up Dalton Reisner. I mean look I wrote about it
11:39 I put my way too early offensive line or offensive free agent targets
11:43 Which people kind of shot me a little bit because I suggested Carson Wentz and Sam Darnold is a potential backup
11:50 But it makes sense when you're trying to employ this right and we don't know if James Winston is gonna be back
11:54 But with Dalton he played the waiting game last year and it did not work for him, right?
12:00 He waited and feel like almost the last possible moment, you know on a team and free agency where he should have been
12:06 Probably one of the priorities for some team to get him and so I like him, too
12:11 There's a lot of them. The Pats got a couple of tackles as for Cleveland's another one
12:15 Obviously, there's gonna be some guys that make some pretty good money
12:18 But you bring up a really good point in the fact that this is a very very rich offensive line class
12:25 And so I don't know if that's gonna affect the market some because teams can be like, all right
12:29 We're gonna pay you this much
12:31 But we also like this guy in the first round so we could probably get him
12:34 Keep him for four years be able to pick him up
12:37 They thought your option and just not have to pay you as much as what we might get out of somebody who could be a day
12:42 One starter, so yeah, I think that's something that you obviously would look at and you know
12:47 Saints to have what number 14 and 45 overall
12:49 Again, this team believes in building from the trenches within now whether you agree disagree
12:54 It makes sense. They have to give this offensive line some some attention