Amanpour & Co. - January 24, 2024
Javier Villalobos, the Republican Mayor of McAllen, Texas, on why he believes the federal government is failing his community. Just before the New Hampshire primary, Christiane got the global perspective from journalists Emily Maitlis and Mark Landler. Oscar-nominated film “The Barber of Little Rock” follows the story of Arlo Washington. Washington and filmmaker John Hoffman join the show.
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00:04>>> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME
00:05TO "AMANPOUR AND COMPANY."
00:06HERE'S WHAT'S COMING UP.
00:10>>> KYIV'S WARTIME CRISIS JUST
00:13GOT WORSE, AS RUSSIA SAYS ITS
00:15PLANE RETURNING 65 UKRAINIAN
00:18P.O.W.s CRASHED, KILLING ALL
00:19ONBOARD.
00:20A REPORT FROM THE FIELD, WHERE
00:22THE COUNTRY'S NEED FOR MILITARY
00:24AID IS URGENT.
00:25>>> THEN --
00:26>> IMMIGRATION'S A BIG DEAL.
00:26BIG DEAL.
00:28VERY BIG DEAL.
00:29WE HAVE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF
00:30PEOPLE FLOWING INTO OUR COUNTRY
00:33ILLEGALLY.
00:33>> WINNING IN NEW HAMPSHIRE,
00:34TRUMP DOUBLES DOWN ON HIS
00:36SIGNATURE MESSAGE.
00:37I'LL ASK A FRONT LINE MAYOR IN
00:39TEXAS, REPUBLICAN JAVIER
00:42VILLALOBOS, WHETHER ANYONE HAS
00:43LAID OUT A SUCCESSFUL STRATEGY.
00:44PLUS --
00:45>> IF WE DON'T DIE FROM AIR
00:47STRIKES, WE ARE GOING TO DIE
00:48FROM DEHYDRATION AND STARVATION.
00:50>> A SNEAK PEEK INTO HELL.
00:53WE BRING YOU A DAY IN THE LIFE
00:55AND DEATH OF GAZA.
00:57>>> NEXT, WITH A TRUMP/BIDEN
00:59REMATCH LOOKING MORE AND MORE
01:01LIKELY, HOW ALLIES AROUND THE
01:02WORLD ARE TRYING TO TRUMP-PROOF,
01:05WITH JOURNALIST EMILY MAITLIS
01:07AND MARK LANDLER.
01:08>>> ALSO AHEAD --
01:09>> THERE HAS TO BE ECONOMIC
01:11WARRIORS IN THE COMMUNITY TO
01:12CREATE ECONOMIC JUSTICE.
01:13>> OSCAR NOMINATED SHORT
01:15DOCUMENTARY "THE BARBER OF
01:16LITTLE ROCK" EXPLORES ONE MAN'S
01:18FIGHT TO CLOSE THE RACIAL WEALTH
01:20GAP IN HIS COMMUNITY.
01:23MICHEL MARTIN SPEAKS WITH
01:24DIRECTOR JOHN HOFFMAN AND HIS
01:26INSPIRATION, ARLO WASHINGTON.
01:34♪♪
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02:28>>> WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM,
02:29EVERYONE, I'M CHRISTIANE
02:30AMANPOUR IN LONDON.
02:32IT'S BEEN 700 DAYS SINCE
02:34VLADIMIR PUTIN LAUNCHED HIS
02:36ILLEGAL INVASION ON UKRAINE,
02:38WHOSE FATE HANGS DANGEROUSLY IN
02:40THE BALANCE NOW.
02:40ADDING TO THE MISERY, A REGULAR
02:43PRISONER SWAP APPEARS TO HAVE
02:44ENDED IN TRAGEDY, AS RUSSIA SAYS
02:46A MILITARY TRANSPORT PLANE
02:48CRASHED NEAR THE BORDER, KILLING
02:50AT LEAST 65 UKRAINIAN PRISONERS
02:52OF WAR ONBOARD.
02:53AND THE LATEST, RUSSIAN MISSILE
02:56STRIKES ACROSS UKRAINE KILLED 18
02:58PEOPLE AND INJURED AT LEAST 130.
03:01KYIV REMAINS RESOLUTE, BUT SAYS
03:04THEIR FORCES ARE NO LONGER
03:04RECEIVING ENOUGH AMMUNITION AND
03:07AIRSILES FROM THE
03:11UNITED STATES AND NATO ALLIES.
03:13CORRESPONDENT FRED PLEITGEN IS
03:14WITH ME NOW FROM EASTERN
03:15UKRAINE.
03:16FRED, CAN YOU BRING US UP TO
03:17DATE ABOUT THIS RUSSIAN CLAIM OF
03:20THAT CRASH, AND HAVE THE
03:22UKRAINIAN AUTHORITIES ACTUALLY
03:23CONFIRMED IT?
03:26>> WELL, THE UKRAINIAN
03:28AUTHORITIES, CHRISTIANE, APPEAR
03:30TO BE CONFIRMING IT NOW,
03:31HOWEVER, THE BIG QUESTION IS
03:32WHETHER OR NOT THE UKRAINIANS
03:33MIGHT BE BEHIND ACTUALLY TAKING
03:36THAT PLANE DOWN, WITH THIS
03:38POSSIBLY BEING A TRAGIC ACCIDENT
03:39AND THEM NOT KNOWING THERE MAY
03:40HAVE BEEN UKRAINIAN P.O.W.s
03:42ACTUALLY ON THAT PLANE.
03:43NOW, THE RUSSIANS ARE SAYING THE
03:45PLANE CRASHED AROUND 11:15 LOCAL
03:48TIME NEAR BELGOROD, VERY CLOSE
03:53TO UKRAINIAN TERRITORY.
03:54IT'S AN IL-76 TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT
03:57WHICH IS USUALLY THE WORKHORSE
03:59OF THE RUSSIAN AIR CRAFT AND ONE
04:01THAT THE RUSSIANS USE FREQUENTLY
04:03TO SUPPORT THEIR LOGISTICS FROM
04:06WHAT THEY CALL THE SPECIAL
04:08MILITARY OPERATION, THE INVASION
04:09OF UKRAINE.
04:09THE RUSSIANS ARE SAYING THIS
04:11PLANE WAS TAKEN DOWN ON THE
04:12RUSSIAN SIDE OF THE BORDER BY A
04:15UKRAINIAN SERVICE TO AIR
04:16MISSILE, ALSO LAUNCHED FROM THE
04:17BORDER AREA ON THE UKRAINIAN
04:20SIDE.
04:21SERGEY LAVROV, THE RUSSIAN
04:23FOREIGN MINISTER WAS AT THE U.N.
04:26TODAY BLAMING THE UKRAINIANS,
04:28AND SAYING THERE WERE 65
04:29PRISONERS OF WAR FROM THE
04:31UKRAINIANS ONBOARD THAT PLANE,
04:33SET TO GO TO A PRISONER
04:35EXCHANGE.
04:35NOW, THE UKRAINIANS ARE
04:37CONFIRMING THAT A PRISONER
04:37EXCHANGE WAS SET TO TAKE PLACE
04:39TODAY, AND THAT THAT PRISONER
04:41EXCHANGE HAS BEEN CALLED OFF.
04:43HOWEVER, THEY SAY THEY DON'T
04:44KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE POSSIBLE
04:45FATE OF THESE PRISONERS AND
04:46WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE ONBOARD
04:48THIS PLANE.
04:48AND I THINK ONE OF THE KEY
04:50THINGS, AND IT'S ONE OF THE
04:51THINGS YOU WERE ALLUDING TO
04:53THERE, IS THAT THE UKRAINIANS
04:54ARE SAYING THAT TRANSPORT
04:55AIRCRAFT THAT FLY INTO BELGOROD
04:59ARE SUBJECT TO POSSIBLY BEING
05:02TAKEN DOWN BY UKRAIIAN SURFACE
05:05TO AIR MISSILES, BECAUSE THEY
05:07OFTEN CARRY MISSILES ON THEM,
05:09WHICH THE RUSSIANS USE TO ATTACK
05:11UKRAINIAN TERRITORY.
05:12SO, THIS MAY HAVE BEEN AN
05:14ACCIDENTAL TAKEDOWN OF THE
05:16UKRAINIANS, NOT KNOWING THERE
05:16WERE POSSIBLY PRISONERS OF WAR
05:18ON THAT PLANE, HOWEVER, IT IS
05:19VERY MUCH UNCLEAR AT THIS POINT
05:20WHO WAS ON THAT PLANE, AND
05:22WHETHER OR NOT THE UKRAINIANS
05:24EVEN TOOK IT DOWN, HOWEVER, OF
05:25COURSE, WE HAVE SEEN THAT VIDEO
05:27FROM NEAR THE BELGOROD AREA WITH
05:31THAT MASSIVE FIRE BALL AFTER THE
05:32PLANE IMPACTED.
05:34NEEDLESS TO SAY THE AUTHORITIES
05:35THERE SAY THERE IS AN
05:36INVESTIGATION GOING ON, BUT NO
05:37ONE ON THAT PLANE SURVIVED,
05:38CHRISTIANE.
05:39>> I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF
05:41QUESTIONS THERE, WAS THERE VIDEO
05:42OF AN IMPACT OF A MISSILE ON THE
05:45PLANE, DID THE UKRAINIANS SAY
05:46THAT THEY HAD TAKEN OUT A PLANE,
05:48NO MATTER WHAT IT WAS, I GUESS
05:49THESE QUESTIONS ARE STILL TO BE
05:51ANSWERED.
05:53BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW,
05:56YOU'RE THERE IN THE EAST, I
05:58MEAN, YOU'RE REPORTING AND
05:59OTHERS ARE REPORTING, THE REALLY
06:01DIRE SITUATION, GIVEN THE HOLDUP
06:02IN CONGRESS AND ALSO IN THE EU,
06:08SERVICE TO AIR MISSILES.
06:10CAN YOU TELL US, FROM YOUR
06:11PERSPECTIVE, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING?
06:15>> YEAH, I THINK THE SITUATION
06:16IS ACTUALLY EVEN A LOT WORSE
06:18THAN MANY PEOPLE IN WESTERN
06:19COUNTIES ARE PERCEIVING.
06:21ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN
06:22HERE ON THE FRONT LINES, AND
06:24EXACTLY THE TWO THINGS YOU'VE
06:25BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
06:25ONE OF THEM IS SURFACE TO AIR
06:27MISSILE SYSTEMS, WHERE THE
06:29UKRAINIANS SAY THAT THINGS ARE
06:30IN JEOPARDY, BECAUSE THESE
06:31SURFACE TO AIR MISSILE SYSTEMS
06:32FROM WESTERN NATIONS, THEY ARE
06:34EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE.
06:35IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
06:38IRIS-T SYSTEM, AND OF COURSE THE
06:40PATRIOT MISSILE SYSTEM, THE
06:42UKRAINIANS ARE SAYING THERE ARE
06:43A LOT OF RUSSIAN MISSILES THAT
06:44ARE FIRED AT UKRAINIAN TERRITORY
06:46THAT CAN ONLY BE TAKEN DOWN WITH
06:47THESE SYSTEMS, AND OF COURSE,
06:49THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED THAT THE
06:50SUPPLIES OF THOSE MISSILES MIGHT
06:52NOT BE REPLENISHED, ESPECIALLY
06:54RIGHT NOW FROM THE U.S. SYSTEMS,
06:55OF COURSE, WITH THAT DEADLOCK IN
06:57CONGRESS.
06:57BUT THE OTHER BIG THING THAT
06:58WE'RE SEEING HERE ON THE FRONT
07:00LINE, CHRISTIANE WHICH IS
07:01EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, IS 155
07:04MILLIMETER ARTILLERY AMMUNITION.
07:05WE'VE BEEN TO PRETTY MUCH THE
07:08THREE TOUGHEST AREAS RIGHT NOW
07:09FOR THE UKRAINIANS ON THE FRONT
07:11LINE, AROUND BAKMUT IN THE EAST
07:24OF THE COUNTRY, THEY SAY THE
07:25RUSSIANS ARE PUSHING WITH
07:26ASSAULTS, THEY SAY THAT A LOT OF
07:28RUSSIANS ARE DYING AND GETTING
07:29WOUNDED IN THOSE ASSAULTS, BUT
07:30THE UKRAINIANS ARE UNABLE TO
07:32HOLD A LOT OF THOSE ASSAULTS UP,
07:33BECAUSE THEY LACK AMMO, AND
07:35RIGHT NOW, THEY SAY THE
07:36SITUATION IS GETTING WORSE BY
07:37THE DAY, CHRISTIANE.
07:39>> IT REALLY DOES SOUND LIKE A
07:40CRISIS FOR UKRAINE.
07:41AND, OF COURSE, FOR THE WEST AND
07:42THE UNITED STATES.
07:44THANK YOU SO MUCH, FRED
07:46PLEITGEN.
07:47>>> NOW, THE NEXT MAJOR TRANCHE
07:51OF MILITARY AID TO UKRAINE
07:52LANGUISHES IN CONGRESS, WHERE
07:53HOUSE REPUBLICANS ARE REFUSING
07:55TO BUDGE UNLESS THEIR DEMANDS
07:56ARE MET OVER THE U.S. SOUTHERN
07:57BORDER.
07:58PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS HE HOPES A
08:00DEAL WILL BE REACHED THIS WEEK,
08:03AND IS OPEN TO, QUOTE, MASSIVE
08:05CHANGES.
08:05AUTHORITIES ARE DEALING WITH AN
08:07HISTORIC NUMBER OF MIGRANTS AT
08:08THE MEXICAN BORDER.
08:10LAST MONTH SAW THE BIGGEST
08:12CROSSING IN 23 YEARS.
08:12AND AS THE NOVEMBER ELECTION
08:15GETS CLOSER, IMMIGRATION IS
08:18GROWING AS A KEY VOTING ISSUE.
08:20ONE OFFICIAL ON THE FRONT LINES
08:22IS JAVIER VILLALOBOS, REPUBLICAN
08:25MAYOR OF McALLEN, TEXAS.
08:26HE ARGUES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
08:27IS FAILING HIS COMMUNITY AND
08:30HE'S JOINING ME NOW TO TALK
08:31ABOUT THIS CRISIS.
08:33MAYOR VILLALOBOS, WELCOME TO THE
08:35PROGRAM.
08:35SO, CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE TO ME
08:37HOW IT LOOKS AND HOW -- WHAT'S
08:40GOING ON IN YOUR COMMUNITY, IF
08:43THIS REPRESENTS A HISTORIC
08:44INFLUX.
08:44>> IT IS, AND AS A MATTER OF
08:47FACT, WE ARE FORTUNATE THAT HERE
08:48IN McALLEN, WE ARE NOT THE WAY
08:50WE USED TO BE.
08:51WE PROBABLY HAVE ABOUT 300, 400
08:53IMMIGRANTS PER DAY, SO,
08:55LOGISTICALLY, IT HAS NOT BEEN
08:57TOO DIFFICULT ANYMORE, BUT OUR
08:59SISTER CITIES OF EAGLE PASS, THE
09:01OTHER AREAS, AND THEN THROUGHOUT
09:03THE COUNTRY, IT IS -- IT ISN'T
09:05GOOD.
09:05AND I THINK THE PERSPECTIVE OF
09:06THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE
09:07REASON I BELIEVE IT'S REALLY
09:11AFFECTING THESE ELECTIONS, IS
09:12THAT THE PERSPECTIVE IS CHANGING
09:13FROM NOT NECESSARILY JUST
09:16IMMIGRATION, BUT NATIONAL
09:18SECURITY.
09:18AND INTERMINGLING BOTH AS ONE.
09:22WHICH, IN REALITY, IS TRUE.
09:23WE ARE CONCERNED, AS YOU ALL
09:26JUST DISCUSSED ABOUT, UKRAINE
09:28AND ISRAEL.
09:28A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN AND WE
09:30DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
09:31WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE, AND
09:32THAT CONCERNS NOT ONLY ME, BUT I
09:33THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE
09:34CONCERNED AS TO WHO IS COMING,
09:39WITHOUT IDENTIFICATION, WITHOUT
09:42KNOWING THEIR REAL PURPOSE.
09:43AND THAT'S, I THINK, MAY SWAY AN
09:46ELECTION.
09:47>> OKAY, SO, LET'S GET TO THAT
09:49IN A MOMENT, BUT I JUST WANT TO
09:50GET YOUR PERSPECTIVE AGAIN,
09:52BECAUSE YOU SAID McALLEN SEEMS
09:54TO BE WEATHERING THE STORM, IF
09:56I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND ACTUALLY
09:59McALLEN SEEMS TO, ACCORDING TO
10:01ALL THE STATS, BE A PRETTY SAFE
10:05PLACE, SO ARE YOU STILL SAYING
10:06THAT YOUR CITY IS SAFE?
10:10AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NATIONAL
10:13SECURITY?
10:13WHAT HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT MIGHT
10:15RAISE NATIONAL SECURITY
10:16QUESTIONS?
10:18>> OKAY, DEFINITELY.
10:19WE ARE VERY IMPORTANT THAT
10:21McALLEN, THE IMMIGRANTS PASS
10:22THROUGH HERE.
10:23AND WE TAKE NO POSITION AS TO
10:24WHETHER THEY'RE LEGAL, ILLEGAL,
10:27IT DOESN'T MATTER TO US, WE ARE
10:28NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF
10:29IMMIGRATION, BUT THEY DO GO UP
10:32NORTH, WHICH IS THE REASON NEW
10:33YORK, LOS ANGELES, CHICAGO,
10:35OTHER AREAS ARE HAVING THE
10:36DIFFICULTIES.
10:37NOW, THE REASON FOR NATIONAL
10:38SECURITY IS THAT THESE
10:40IMMIGRANTS ARE NOT THE ONES
10:41WE'RE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT, BUT
10:42THE ONES THAT CROSS OUTSIDE OF
10:44THE PORT OF ENTRIES.
10:46WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
10:47HAVE BEEN CAPTURED THAT ARE IN
10:49THE NATIONAL WATCH LIST, BUT WE
10:50CAN JUST IMAGINE HOW MANY HAVE
10:51NOT.
10:52SO, THE PEOPLE, I KNOW THAT THE
10:55AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE GETTING
10:56CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
10:57AND WE, AS MUNICIPALITIES, WE
11:00ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF
11:02IMMIGRATION.
11:02WE'VE BEEN WEATHERING THIS FOR
11:03MORE THAN TEN YEARS, SO,
11:06LOGISTICALLY, IT'S NOT THAT
11:07DIFFICULT FOR US ANYMORE,
11:08ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S ONLY ABOUT
11:09300, 400 IMMIGRANTS PER DAY.
11:13WHEN AT ONE POINT, WE WERE DOING
11:14IN EXCESS OF 2,000.
11:16SO, IT'S TAKING -- IT'S TAKEN A
11:19TOLL ON McALLEN AND DIFFERENT
11:21AREAS, AND NOW EVEN THE NORTHERN
11:23STATES, WHICH, WE KNEW IT WOULD,
11:23BECAUSE THE IMMIGRATIONS DO NOT
11:26WANT TO STAY AROUND THE BORDER.
11:28>> RIGHT.
11:28OF COURSE, THEY'RE TRYING TO
11:29ESCAPE THAT AND GET TO AS BEST A
11:33LIFE AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN.
11:34I WANT TO ASK YOU THEN, YOU HAVE
11:36CRITICIZED THE FEDERAL
11:37GOVERNMENT FOR FAILING IN THEIR
11:40OBLIGATIONS, AS YOU PUT IT, DOWN
11:41ON THE BORDER, AND IT APPEARS
11:43THAT YOUR GOVERNOR, STATE
11:47OFFICIAL, IS TAKING MATTERS INTO
11:49HIS OWN HAND, AND HE'S DONE A
11:50WHOLE LOT OF EXTRA BORDER
11:51SECURITY, RAZOR WIRE, HE'S PUT
11:56FLOATING BARRIERS INSIDE THE
11:57RIVER, THE RIO GRANDE, AND THAT
11:59WENT TO THE SUPREME COURT, AND
12:00THEN THE SUPREME COURT SAID, NO,
12:02HE HAD TO TAKE THEM AWAY.
12:02WHAT IS -- WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING
12:05FOR?
12:06WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAPPEN?
12:07AND WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHAT
12:08YOUR GOVERNOR'S BEEN DOING?
12:10>> WELL, WE DEFINITELY DO BLAME
12:13THE FEDERAL SYSTEM.
12:13AND WHEN I SAY THE FEDERAL
12:15SYSTEM, I'M TALKING ABOUT EITHER
12:17PARTY.
12:18BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS,
12:19THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE
12:19THIS OUT.
12:21NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO GOVERNOR
12:23ABBOTT, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING
12:24THAT, ONCE AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT
12:26JUST LIKE MUNICIPALITY DOESN'T
12:27HAVE AN OBLIGATION REGARDING
12:28IMMIGRATION OR NATIONAL
12:29SECURITY, NEITHER DOES THE
12:32STATE.
12:32HOWEVER, WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THE
12:34FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS FAILING?
12:37SOMEBODY HAS TO TAKE ACTION.
12:38AND WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THE
12:39GOVERNOR OR NOT, AT LEAST
12:41THERE'S A SENSE OF ACTION THAT
12:43HE'S TRYING TO DO SOMETHING.
12:44AND THAT'S WHAT WE THINK, WE
12:46BELIEVE IS WE'RE FAILING FROM
12:47OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
12:48>> AND WITH THESE TRAGEDIES, AND
12:51WE SAW IT DURING THE TRUMP
12:52ADMINISTRATION, YOU SAY THAT,
12:53YOU KNOW, BOTH ADMINISTRATIONS,
12:55DEMOCRAT, REPUBLICAN, HAVE ALL
12:56FAILED.
12:56WE SAW TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES OF
12:58FAMILIES BEING SEPARATED AND THE
13:00LIKE, AND NOW WE'RE SEEING, LAST
13:02WEEK, A WOMAN AND TWO CHILDREN
13:03ALL MIGRANTS FROM MEXICO
13:05DROWNING NEAR EAGLE PASS, TEXAS,
13:07WHERE STATE AUTHORITIES HAD
13:09HAMPERED FEDERAL ACCESS.
13:11TEXAS DISPUTES THIS, BUT THERE'S
13:13REAL COST IN HUMAN LIFE, AS
13:15WELL, TO THESE POLITICAL
13:17INABILITY TO FIGURE OUT A
13:19SOLUTION.
13:22>> AND THAT'S ABSOLUTELY
13:24CORRECT.
13:24THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF LIVES
13:26LOST, BUT THAT IS EXACTLY
13:28CORRECT, BECAUSE OF THE PEOPLE,
13:30OR, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S
13:34FAILURE TO ACT OR ACT PROPERLY.
13:35IT IS NOT OUR OBLIGATION.
13:37IT IS THEIRS TO ACT, TO KEEP ON
13:40SETTING POLITICAL ISSUES ASIDE
13:41AND WORK WITH US, WORK FOR THE
13:42AMERICAN PEOPLE, FOR NATIONAL
13:44SECURITY, BECAUSE IN REALITY, IT
13:45REALLY IS NOW INTERTWINED.
13:48>> SO, AS YOU KNOW, BETTER THAN
13:50I DO, THE SENATE APPEARS IN THE
13:51MIDST AND CLOSE TO A BIPARTISAN
13:54AGREEMENT ON THE BORDER.
13:56ON SECURITY THERE.
13:56PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS HE BACKS
13:57THE BILL, EVEN THOUGH IT
14:00PROMISES TO RESTRICT ASYLUM
14:02CLAIMS, AND HE'S GETTING
14:04PRESSURE FROM HIS LEFT WING.
14:05HERE'S HIS POSITION.
14:06LET ME JUST PUT THIS TO YOU.
14:09>> MY TEAM HAS BEEN AT THE TABLE
14:10FOR WEEKS NOW WITH A BIPARTISAN
14:14GROUP OF SENATORS TO NEGOTIATE A
14:16DEAL, INCLUDING BORDER, BECAUSE
14:17I BELIEVE WE NEED SIGNIFICANT
14:20POLICY CHANGES AT THE BORDER.
14:22INCLUDING CHANGES IN OUR ASYLUM
14:23SYSTEM, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE
14:27AUTHORITY WE NEED TO CONTROL THE
14:28BORDER.
14:28AND I'M READY TO ACT.
14:30>> SO, AS YOU KNOW, THE
14:31ADMINISTRATION SAYS THEY'VE SENT
14:33A COMPREHENSIVE BILL TO
14:36CONGRESS, PART OF THEIR
14:38UKRAINE/ISRAEL MILITARY BILL HAS
14:39ATTACHED A REQUEST FOR 20,000
14:41MORE BORDER GUARDS.
14:42IS THE PRESIDENT DOING ENOUGH?
14:46>> WELL, AT LEAST IT'S AN
14:49ATTEMPT, HOWEVER, WE ALSO
14:50UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS IN
14:51WASHINGTON.
14:52TIT FOR TAT, YOU GIVE ME THIS
14:54AND I'LL TAKE THAT.
14:54AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATELY --
14:56LOOK, WE'RE TALKING -- WHEN
14:57WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMMIGRATION,
14:59IT'S A STANDALONE ISSUE THAT
14:59SHOULDN'T BE -- OF COURSE HAS TO
15:02BE WORKED WITH OTHER THINGS, BUT
15:03NOT NECESSARILY HELD HOSTAGE FOR
15:05OTHER THINGS.
15:06I AM HAPPY THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST
15:09TRYING TO DO -- HAVE A
15:10BIPARTISAN EFFORT TO DEAL WITH
15:13IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE NEED.
15:14IT HAS TO BE BIPARTISAN.
15:16>> WHICH BRINGS US TO THE
15:18PROBLEM, BECAUSE EVEN IF THE
15:20SENATE COMES UP WITH SOMETHING,
15:23IT LOOKS LIKE THE MAGA
15:24REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE ARE
15:25GOING TO KILL IT.
15:27AND IT WON'T BE -- IT WON'T BE
15:28PASSED.
15:29IT COULD JUST DIE THERE.
15:31PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU KNOW, KEEPS
15:33SPOUTING ON ABOUT MILLIONS AND
15:34MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
15:36AND I WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER
15:40THESE REPUBLICANS WHO STAND IN
15:41THE WAY OF THIS, WHO HAVE SAID
15:42IT, SINCERELY WANT TO FIX THE
15:45PROBLEM.
15:46OR, AS MANY HAVE DESCRIBED THEM,
15:49THE MAGA REPUBLICANS IN
15:50CONGRESS, OF REALLY LIKING THE
15:52CHAOS, LIKING THE CELEBRITY,
15:52LIKING THE WHOLE SORT OF
15:56PERFORMATIVE PART OF ALL OF
15:57THIS.
15:57DO YOU THINK, ARE YOU CONFIDENT
15:59THAT THE REPUBLICANS IN THE
16:01HOUSE ACTUALLY WANT TO COME TO
16:04SOME KIND OF AGREEMENT?
16:06>> WELL, I THINK ACTUALLY THE
16:08PROBLEM IN THE HOUSE IS REALLY
16:11THE EXTREMES OF EITHER PARTY.
16:12NOT NECESSARILY THE MAGA
16:13REPUBLICANS OR JUST DEFINITELY
16:17THEM OR JUST DEFINITELY THE LEFT
16:18WING OF THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.
16:19WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
16:20AND WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN SAYING IT,
16:22THAT THEY UTILIZE IMMIGRATION
16:24AND OTHER SOCIAL ISSUES FOR --
16:26TO DIVIDE PEOPLE AND TO RAISE
16:27MONEY.
16:28AND WE KEEP ON SAYING, STOP
16:29DOING THAT.
16:30LOOK, THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE
16:32IN THE MIDDLE THAN THE RIGHT AND
16:33THE LEFT, HOWEVER, THEY'RE
16:37DISILLUSIONED WITH THE AMERICAN
16:38SYSTEM.
16:38THEY DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED
16:40ANYMORE.
16:40BUT THE PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING,
16:41AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE PARTY,
16:43IT'S BOTH.
16:44AND IT REALLY, TO ME, IS
16:45EXTREMES.
16:47>> CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION,
16:49BECAUSE THIS HAS SHOCKED MANY
16:50PEOPLE OVERSEAS, AND IT WAS A
16:51COMMENT TRUMP MADE ABOUT
16:52MIGRANTS.
16:53I JUST WANT TO FIRST MENTION
16:57THAT THE SECRETARY OF HOMELAND
16:59SECURITY -- SORRY -- YEAH, OF
17:02HOMELAND SECURITY MAYORKAS TOLD
17:04ME THERE ARE 10 MILLION OPEN
17:05JOBS.
17:06THERE'S A CLAMORING FOR
17:07INDIVIDUALS TO FILL THEM THAT,
17:09IN THIS CASE, DOMESTIC WORKERS
17:11IN THE UNITED STATES DO NOT FILL
17:12THESE JOBS.
17:13SO, IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S A
17:13NEED.
17:14GIVEN THAT FACT, WHAT DO YOU
17:16MAKE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYING
17:20THINGS LIKE IMMIGRANTS ARE
17:21POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR
17:22COUNTRY?
17:23HOW DOES THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE
17:24AFFECT YOU AND HOW DOES IT HELP
17:25THE SITUATION?
17:28>> I THINK THAT'S JUST POLITICAL
17:30TALK.
17:30I THINK WE DO KNOW THAT THE WORK
17:34ETHIC OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS
17:35NOT WHAT IT USED TO BE.
17:36I KNOW THAT WE NEED WORKERS, WE
17:38DEFINITELY DO, BUT IT HAS TO BE
17:40A LAWFUL SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, I
17:43DON'T BELIEVE THAT IMMIGRANTS
17:44ARE POISONING THE BLOOD OF
17:45AMERICA.
17:45I DON'T.
17:47WE -- THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD
17:48PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING OR CAN
17:50COME IN AND BE PRODUCTIVE AND WE
17:52KNOW WE NEED THEM, BUT WE HAVE
17:53TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY.
17:55>> WELL, WE -- IF YOU WERE IN
17:58CHARGE, IF YOU WERE KING, HOW
18:00WOULD YOU FIX THIS?
18:01WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO FIX IT?
18:02AND ESPECIALLY SINCE, YOU SAID,
18:05YOU BELIEVE THIS WILL BE A MAJOR
18:07ELECTION ISSUE.
18:10>> IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT,
18:12BECAUSE OF THE PARTIES, BUT AT
18:13THE VERY END, YOU KNOW, RIGHT
18:15NOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS A
18:17QUICK FIX, AS FAR AS TO STOP,
18:18ESPECIALLY PEOPLE COMING IN AND
18:22NOT THROUGH THE PARTS OF
18:23ENTRIES.
18:23THAT IS NECESSARY, BUT MORE
18:24BECAUSE OF NATIONAL SECURITY.
18:26OF COURSE, WORKING TOGETHER, WE
18:26KNOW WE NEED IMMIGRANTS, WE KNOW
18:30THAT OUR GUEST WORKER PROGRAM
18:33NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
18:34WE KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE
18:35THAT ARE IN HERE THAT CAN BE
18:37VERY PRODUCTIVE, YET, AND
18:39LAW-ABIDING, YET WE DON'T GIVE
18:40THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT IS
18:41NOT UP TO US.
18:42AND IF YOU WERE KING, THERE'S A
18:43LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS I COULD
18:45DO, BUT I'M NOT, SO, IT'S GOING
18:46TO BE UP TO CONGRESS, TO THE
18:48SENATE, TO MAKE SURE THEY TAKE
18:49CARE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
18:51>> AND THERE HAS BEEN A
18:52LONG-STANDING SET OF BIPARTISAN,
18:54YOU KNOW, SOLUTIONS THAT, AS YOU
18:56SAY, HAVE BEEN STYMIED BY THE
18:57VARIOUS POLITICIANS IN
18:58WASHINGTON.
19:01MAYOR VILLALOBOS, THANK YOU SO
19:03MUCH, INDEED, FOR JOINING ME.
19:05>>> AND WE TURN NOW TO ANOTHER
19:07HUMANITARIAN CRISIS, IN GAZA.
19:09THE U.N. RELIEF AGENCY SAYS AT
19:09LEAST NINE PEOPLE WERE KILLED
19:12AND DOZENS INJURED WHEN A U.N.
19:15SHELTER WAS STRUCK BY TANK FIRE
19:17DURING INTENSE FIGHTING AROUND
19:20KHAN YUNIS.
19:21ISRAEL TELLS CNN THERE IS NO
19:25CONCRETE DEAL FOR RELEASE OF
19:27HOSTAGES.
19:27IT'S BEEN OVER THREE MONTHS
19:29SINCE THE ATTACK THAT KIDNAPPED
19:30MORE THAN 240 HOSTAGED AND
19:33KILLED 1,200 ISRAELIS.
19:35AND ISRAEL'S COUNTEROFFENSIVE
19:36HAS KILLED 25,000 GAZANS,
19:38ACCORDING TO THE HEALTH MINISTRY
19:39THERE.
19:4290% OF THE POPULATION HAS BEEN
19:43DISPLACED, AND ONE OF THOSE
19:45FORCED TO FLEE HER HOME IS
19:5020-YEAR-OLD NOWARA DIAB.
19:52DESPITE RECURRING BLACKOUTS AND
19:54SPORADIC COMMUNICATION, SHE
19:55FINALLY MANAGED TO SEND THIS
19:56VIDEO DIARY TO EXPLAIN WHAT
19:58SHE'S GONE THROUGH, INCLUDING
19:59THE LOSS OF HER CLOSEST FRIENDS.
20:03>> AS I WALK ON THE STREETS IN
20:06GAZA, DEATH, DESTRUCTION, AND
20:07CHAOS IS ALL AROUND ME.
20:10I OFTEN THINK ABOUT HOW MY LIFE
20:13COULD HAVE BEEN.
20:15AND HOW I WOULD STILL HAVE A
20:16HOME, AND HOW MY TWO BEST FRIEND
20:20S WOULD STILL BE ALIVE.
20:23I HEART ACHES EVERY SINGLE DAY
20:26FOR THEM, WHO WERE KILLED IN
20:28THEIR HOMES BY THE ISRAELI AIR
20:28STRIKES.
20:32SHE WAS A BEAUTIFUL SOUL.
20:33AND SO CREATIVE.
20:36I'D ALWAYS BRAG ABOUT HOW GREAT
20:36SHE WAS.
20:41WE TALKED FOR HOURS ON END,
20:42TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING AND
20:43EVERYTHING.
20:45OR JUST BEING SILLY.
20:47>> IS IT ME, OR, ARE WE BEST
20:48FRIENDS?
20:50>> YEAH!
20:52>> EVERY MOMENT WITH HER WAS
20:53FULL OF LOVE AND LAUGHTER.
20:55HER TALENT FOR PAINTING WAS
20:56EXTRAORDINARY.
20:57THIS PAINTING OF A YELLOW FLOWER
21:01WILL ALWAYS HOLD A SPECIAL PLACE
21:02IN MY HEART.
21:04LITTLE DID I KNOW, IT WOULD BE
21:06HER LAST GIFT TO ME.
21:09IT BROKE MY HEART HAVING TO
21:10LEAVE IT BEHIND, JUST LIKE I HAD
21:11TO LEAVE HER.
21:16IBRAHIM WAS THE MOST KIND AND
21:18FUNNY PERSON I'D EVER MET.
21:20NOT TO MENTION ALSO THE
21:21SMARTEST.
21:24THIS KINGDOM NEEDS A KING.
21:26WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER WHEN
21:28WORKING ON A PLAY ABOUT KING
21:36ODYSSEUS.
21:36HE PLAYED THE ROLE OF THE KING.
21:38AND WOULD JUST MAKE EVERYONE
21:39LAUGH.
21:41♪♪
21:44AND WAS RARELY SEEN WITHOUT HIS
21:46CAMERA, CAPTURING THE GOOD
21:47TIMES.
21:51BUT WITH BOTH OF THEM GONE, I
21:56DON'T THINK THAT THERE WILL BE
21:56ANY GOOD MOMENTS.
22:02I NEED THEM SO MUCH RIGHT NOW,
22:03AND I NEED THEM MORE THAN EVER,
22:04BUT I KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOW IN
22:07A BETTER PLACE.
22:09I JUST KNOW IT.
22:15NOW, LIVE IN RAFAH IS HEARD.
22:16I WAKE UP TRYING TO SURVIVE
22:18ANOTHER DAY.
22:20THANKFUL MY FAMILY AND I ARE
22:22ALIVE.
22:24FOR TWO WEEKS, WE STAYED IN A
22:25TENT IN KHAN YUNIS, SHARED BY
22:28SEVEN PEOPLE.
22:31WATER IS THE HARDEST THING TO
22:32EVER FIND HERE.
22:33RARELY, BOTTLES ARE GIVEN TO US,
22:37LIKE THIS ON A TRUCK.
22:39BUT WITH SO LITTLE, WEER WITH
22:43FORCED TO DRINK SALTY WATER FOR
22:45AWHILE.
22:49SO, IF WE DON'T DIE FROM HAIR
22:52STRIKES, WE'RE GOING TO DIE FROM
22:54DEHYDRATION AND STARVATION.
22:55WHEN THIS WAR IS OVER, THERE'S
22:55ANOTHER ONE WAITING FOR US.
22:58THE AGONY IN OUR HEARTS, GOING
23:02BACK HOME AND SEEING EVERYTHING
23:03CRUMBLED INTO PIECES.
23:05GONE, JUST LIKE THE TENS OF
23:06THOUSANDS OF PALESTINIAN MEN,
23:06WOMEN, AND CHILDREN KILLED IN
23:09THIS WAR.
23:11I HOPE THAT MY STORY HAS MEANT
23:12SOMETHING TO YOU.
23:14AND YOU CAN THINK OF US AS HUMAN
23:15BEINGS, NOT JUST NUMBERS,
23:18BECAUSE THIS IS ME GIVING YOU A
23:22SNEAK PEEK INTO HELL.
23:27>> NOWARA DIAB THERE.
23:29THE IDF SAYS THEY DO NOT TARGET
23:31CIVILIANS, SAYING THEIR WAR IS
23:35AGAINST HAMAS.
23:36>>> THIS WAR, PUTIN'S WAR IN
23:38UKRAINE, NOT TO MENTION THE RISK
23:40OF CONFLICT WITH CHINA, ARE
23:42WORRYING AMERICAN VOTERS.
23:43AND AFTER TRUMP WON THE NEW
23:44HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY LAST NIGHT,
23:45MANY AMERICANS ARE INCREDULOUS
23:47ABOUT ANOTHER TRUMP/BIDEN
23:47REMATCH.
23:50ALTHOUGH NIKKI HALEY ISN'T
23:51GIVING UP JUST YET, SAYING THE
23:52RACE IS FAR FROM OVER.
23:54TRUE TO FORM, TRUMP FALSIFIED
23:56HIS RECORD LAST NIGHT, CLAIMING
23:58TO HAVE PREVIOUSLY WON NEW
23:59HAMPSHIRE IN BOTH THE PRIMARIES
24:00AND THE GENERAL ELECTION.
24:03IN FACT, HILLARY CLINTON BEAT
24:04HIM THERE IN 2016, AND JOE BIDEN
24:06WON IN 2020.
24:09IT'S DEJA VU AS THE WORLD
24:11WATCHES IN DISBELIEF.
24:12JUST BEFORE LAST NIGHT'S
24:14PRIMARY, I GOT THE GLOBAL
24:16PERSPECTIVE FROM JOURNALIST
24:17EMILY MAITLIS AND MARK LANDER.
24:19WE STARTED WITH THE ISRAEL-HAMAS
24:21WAR.
24:24WELCOME BOTH OF YOU.
24:25>> THANKS FOR HAVING US.
24:26>> I WANT TO ASK YOU, YOU HAVE
24:28BEEN TO ISRAEL SINCE OCTOBER
24:287th.
24:30AND I'M QUITE STUNNED BY WHAT
24:31SOME ISRAELI REPORTERS ARE
24:33TELLING US, THAT THE ISRAELI
24:34PEOPLE ARE NOT SEEING THE EXTENT
24:37OF THE HUMAN SUFFERING IN GAZA.
24:40CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU
24:43NOTICED AND WHAT EFFECT THAT'S
24:44HAVING ON THE -- ON THE
24:45POPULATION?
24:46>> WELL, DURING MY TIME THERE,
24:49WHICH WAS NOW A COUPLE OF MONTHS
24:50AGO, I STILL FELT IT WAS A
24:52POPULATION THAT WAS GOING
24:55THROUGH ITS OWN TRAUMA FROM
24:56OCTOBER 7th.
24:57>> AND IT STILL IS, OBVIOUSLY.
24:58>> STILL IS.
24:59AND TO THAT EXTENT, I FELT LIKE
25:02THAT TRAUMA WAS SO OVERWHELMING
25:03THAT THE CRUSHING DEATH TOLL IN
25:07GAZA WAS A LITTLE BIT OF AN
25:10ABSTRACTION AT THAT POINT.
25:10AND IT WAS NOT REALLY FILTERING
25:12IN, BECAUSE THE COUNTRY WAS,
25:13AFTER ALL, STILL RECOVERING FROM
25:15WHAT, AS THEY RIGHTLY POINTED
25:17OUT, WAS MULTIPLE -- THE
25:19EQUIVALENT OF MULTIPLE 9/11s.
25:21HAS THAT CHANGED OVER THE PAST
25:22COUPLE OF MONTHS?
25:23I IMAGINE IT WOULD HAVE TO, WE
25:25MOVED FURTHER AND FURTHER AWAY,
25:27AND THE DEATH TOLL IN GAZA HAS
25:27BECOME MORE AND MORE
25:29DEVASTATING.
25:31AND ONE WOULD HOPE THAT IT HAS,
25:34BUT THERE IS ALSO A VERY STRONG
25:37BIAS IN THE MEDIA, AND AN EFFORT
25:40IN THE MEDIA TO KEEP THE COUNTRY
25:42ABSOLUTELY UNITED IN THIS WAR
25:45EFFORT, THAT IS REQUIRING MORE
25:46OF THE ISRAELI PEOPLE, EVEN ON A
25:47DAY-TO-DAY BASIS, IN TERMS OF
25:49RESERVE DEPLOYMENTS, IN TERMS OF
25:51THEIR ECONOMY BEING BROUGHT TO A
25:52VIRTUAL HALT, THAN ALMOST ANY
25:56CONFLICT IN THE HISTORY OF THE
25:58STATE OF ISRAEL.
25:58SO, I THINK THAT'S WHY THE GAZA
26:00DEATH TOLL AND HUMANITARIAN KAS
26:03TO TROPHY HAS NOT YET REGISTERED
26:05WITH THE ISRAELI PEOPLE THE WAY
26:06IT HAS AROUND THE REST OF THE
26:07WORLD, BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY
26:08STARTED IN SUCH A DIFFERENT
26:09PLACE.
26:10>> AND EMILY, IT'S STARTING TO
26:12RESONATE WITH ISRAEL'S CLOSEST
26:13ALLIES, WHETHER IT'S BRITAIN,
26:14WHETHER IT'S THE UNITED STATES,
26:17AND ITS NEIGHBORS WHO WANT TO
26:19NORMALIZE.
26:19NOW EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT,
26:20THE ONLY WAY TO FIX THIS AND GET
26:23NORMALIZED RELATIONS AND
26:24SECURITY FOR ISRAEL IS TO FIRST
26:25TALK ABOUT THE PALESTINIAN
26:28STATEHOOD, AND THE END OF
26:29OCCUPATION.
26:29SO, I'M WONDERING HOW YOU COVER
26:31THIS ISSUE, WHAT THE JEWISH
26:33COMMUNITY HERE IS THINKING AND
26:34SAYING TODAY, ABOUT THIS
26:36INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT ISSUE, AND
26:39WHAT PRESSURE YOU SEE, FOR
26:40INSTANCE, ON EITHER THE
26:41GOVERNMENT OR ON THE LABOR
26:44PARTY, WHICH WANTS TO WIN IN THE
26:47ELECTION THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN
26:48IN THIS COUNTRY.
26:49>> LOOK, SO FAR, THE GOVERNMENT
26:50AND THE LABOR PARTY HAVE BEEN IN
26:52LOCK STEP ON THIS.
26:54IT WAS DIFFICULT THE HEAD OF THE
27:01LABOR PARTY, HE TOOK OVER FROM
27:04JEREMY CORBYN, WHO FACED VERY
27:04SEVERE ACCUSATIONS OF
27:08ANTI-SEMITISM WITHIN HIS PARTY,
27:10SO, HIS APPROACH WAS TO SAY, I'M
27:12NOT JEREMY CORBYN, I GET THIS,
27:14I'M LISTENING TO ISRAEL.
27:15AND HE MADE HIMSELF ALMOST GLUED
27:19TO RISHI SUNAK, THE PRIME
27:22MINISTER'S SIDE, ON THIS ONE,
27:23AND THEIR ESSENCE WAS, THEY WERE
27:24GOING TO BACK ISRAEL, WHATEVER
27:26IT NEEDED TO DO.
27:27AS MARK SAYS, WHEN WE'VE SEEN
27:29THE DEATH TOLL RISE, WHEN WE'VE
27:30SEEN REALLY HOW IMPOSSIBLE IT
27:32HAS BECOME TO DEFEND WHAT IS
27:34GOING ON IN GAZA RIGHT NOW, MANY
27:39ISRAELIS, WHO WE'VE SEEN
27:40MARCHING ON THE STREETS --
27:41>> YOU CAN SEE THE POLLS, EVEN
27:41NOW.
27:42>> RIGHT, THEY DO NOT TRUST THE
27:43MAN IN CHARGE OF THEIR
27:46GOVERNMENT, HE HAS BROUGHT IN
27:47SERIOUS RIGHT-WING EXTREMISTS TO
27:52HELP HIM FORM HIS COALITION.
27:54HE'S ACTING IN A WAY THAT'S NOT
27:56DISSIMILAR TO TRUMP IN THAT WE
27:57THINK HE'S IN POWER TO TRY AND
27:58STAY OUT OF THE COURTS, TO STAY
27:59OUT OF ALL THE LEGAL, YOU KNOW,
28:03SORT OF HORRORS THAT ARE CHASING
28:04HIM, AND I THINK THAT IS A VERY
28:08EASY WAY TO SAY, WELL, LOOK AT
28:09WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE, BECAUSE
28:10IT'S CERTAINLY NOT HELPING GAZA.
28:12IT'S CERTAINLY NOT HELPING THE
28:14MIDDLE EAST, AND IT'S CERTAINLY
28:15NOT HELPING ISRAEL IN TERMS OF
28:16WHAT IT WANTS TO ACHIEVE.
28:18IT'S NOT MAKING IT ANY EASIER TO
28:20GET HOSTAGES OUT.
28:23>> AND THE HOSTAGES ARE KEY,
28:24BECAUSE CLEARLY, THE ISRAELI
28:27COUNTEROFFENSIVE, OR OFFENSIVE
28:27ON GAZA, IS NOT -- IS OUT OF
28:30STEP WITH ALSO TRYING TO GET
28:31WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT, AND THAT
28:32IS THEIR FAMILIES BACK.
28:34HOW MUCH PRESSURE IS THAT STILL
28:35PUTTING ON THE ISRAELI
28:36GOVERNMENT?
28:37>> HUGE AMOUNT.
28:39>> AND IN THE PRESS, BY THE WAY.
28:40>> YEAH, WELL, BECAUSE IT'S BEEN
28:41THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE
28:44DOMESTICALLY IN ISRAEL.
28:45WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT
28:46THIS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET
28:47THESE PEOPLE OUT?
28:48AND THE HOSTAGES ARE VERY WELL
28:50ORGANIZED, TRAVEL -- THEIR
28:51FAMILIES TRAVEL, RATHER, AND
28:53THEY APPEAR REGULARLY, ALMOST
28:55EVERY NIGHT, IN ISRAELI MEDIA.
28:57THERE'S SOME FEATURE, SOME
28:59DISCUSSION, SOME INTERVIEW,
28:59THEY'RE VERY ELOQUENT, THEY'RE
29:01VERY ANGUISHED, AND SO, I THINK
29:02THAT IS SORT OF THE ACHILLES'
29:05HEEL FOR THIS GOVERNMENT.
29:06THEY HAVE TO DELIVER ON THIS,
29:07AND EVERY TIME THERE'S A
29:08HORRIBLE INCIDENT WHERE HOSTAGES
29:11ARE KILLED IN COMBAT AND IT'S
29:13HAPPENED A FEW TYPES, THIS IS A
29:14HUGE SETBACK FOR THE IDF AND FOR
29:16THE ISRAELIS.
29:18SO, I DO I THINK THAT'S ONE
29:21AREA, THAT'S A REAL LIMITATION,
29:23SOMETHING THAT NETANYAHU HAS TO
29:27THINK A LOT ABOUT.
29:28>> I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO
29:29THE U.S. ELECTION.
29:30THE IDEA OF BIDEN'S AGE, IS THAT
29:32A MEDIA CONSTRUCT?
29:35IS THAT A REAL THING?
29:36IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE
29:38WE HAVE BEEN HAMMERING IT EVERY
29:38SINGLE TIME THERE'S A STORY --
29:41>> YEAH, I WAS IN GEORGIA, JUST
29:44BEFORE CHRISTMAS, AND WE WERE
29:44TALKING TO SOME YOUNG GUYS WHO
29:48WERE COLLEGE EDUCATED, OKAY,
29:50THEY HAD JOBS, ONE WAS A PILOT,
29:52AND THEY WERE ALL TALKING ABOUT
29:54THEIR SUPPORT FOR DONALD TRUMP,
29:55AND THE WORD THEY USED WAS, HE'S
29:57A STRONG LEADER.
30:00YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO WAR, YOU
30:01WANT A STRONG MAN BEHIND YOU.
30:03AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING,
30:04BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT HOW TRUMP
30:05HAS HANDLED THE CAMPAIGNING, YOU
30:07KNOW, THE CAMPAIGN STUMP
30:08SPEECHES SO FAR, WHAT HE DOES
30:09IS, HE CARRIES ON TALKING ABOUT
30:10BIDEN'S WEAKNESS OR SORT OF FA
30:21BRILLTY.
30:21THERE'S ONLY FOUR YEARS BETWEEN
30:22THESE TWO GUYS IS SOMETHING THAT
30:23WE SHOULD KEEP IN THE FRONT OF
30:25OUR MIND.
30:26BIDEN IS ALWAYS SOFTLY SPOKEN.
30:27I MEAN, I DO THINK HE HAS A
30:29SLIGHT PROBLEM WITH HIS VOICE.
30:30HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY PROJECT
30:31ENOUGH, BECAUSE OF THE STUTTER,
30:33HE SORT OF MUMABLES A LOT.
30:35THERE ARE WORLDS THAT ARE
30:36SWALLOWED.
30:36AND TRUMP PERFORMS.
30:37HE GOES OUT, HE'S BOMBASTIC, HE
30:40DOES THIS, BUT THAT IS THE
30:41MESSAGE HE WANTS TO CARRY.
30:42QUITE FRANKLY, IF THE
30:44REPUBLICANS WERE REALLY ONTO
30:45SOMETHING, THEY WOULD PUT NIKKI
30:46HALEY IN THAT POSITION, BECAUSE
30:48THAT IS THE WAY YOU CONTRAST,
30:49YOU KNOW, BIDEN'S AGE AND HER
30:52AGE, YOU KNOW, HER SORT OF
30:54NIMBLENESS AND HIS, BECAUSE
30:55DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A YOUNG MAN,
30:57WHICHEVER WAY YOU LOOK AT IT.
30:58HAS IT BEEN OVERPLAYED BY THE
31:00MEDIA?
31:00I STARTED THINKING THAT AT THE
31:02BEGINNING, BUT I'VE TALKED TO A
31:02LOT OF DEMOCRATS AROUND BIDEN
31:05WHO ARE VERY WORRIED.
31:07WHETHER IT'S ABOUT HIS AGE OR
31:08WHETHER IT'S --
31:09>> WORRIED FOR SURE.
31:10>> OR THE PERCEPTION OF HISSAGE,
31:11THEY ARE WORRIED.
31:12>> I MEAN, I KEEP TRYING TO
31:14FIGURE THIS OUT, MARK, BECAUSE
31:15I'VE LISTENED TO PODCASTS AND
31:17OTHER THINGS, WHICH ACTUALLY
31:18SHOW THAT A LOT OF THIS IDEA IS
31:18BEING RAMPED UP ON TIKTOK AND
31:22STUFF, I MEAN, GENERATIONS OF
31:24PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN FDR
31:26IN A WHEELCHAIR OR WHATEVER IT
31:28IS, ARE BEING TOLD THAT THIS IS
31:28A REAL PROBLEM.
31:30SO, I'M JUST -- HOW DO YOU SEE
31:31IT?
31:32>> WELL, LOOK, WE LIVE WHETHER
31:34WE LIKE IT OR NOT IN A VISUAL
31:36AGE, IN A TELEVISION AGE, A
31:39TIKTOK AGE, AND SO, WHAT EMILY
31:40SAYS IS RIGHT.
31:41IT DOESN'T MUCH MATTER IF JOE
31:42BIDEN'S AGE IMPEDES HIS ABILITY
31:45TO DO HIS JOB WELL, WHICH I
31:47THINK IT PROBABLY DOESN'T, HE'S
31:48SURROUNDED BY TERRIFIC ADVISERS,
31:51HE'S FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT
31:52AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY THAN
31:54MOST PEOPLE EVER LEARNED.
31:56HE BRINGS A HUGE AMOUNT OF
31:58WISDOM, AND BY ALL ACCOUNTS, I
32:00DON'T HAVE THE SENSE THAT HE IS
32:01NOT ON HIS GAME ON MAKING
32:05LOOK AT HIS RECORD, IT ACTUALLY
32:07STANDS UP WELL TO THE LAST FEW
32:09PRESIDENTS, SOME OF WHOM WHO
32:10WERE DECADES YOUNGER THAN HIM AT
32:11THE TIME.
32:12NONE OF THAT ACTUALLY MATTERS AS
32:14A POLITICAL QUESTION, BECAUSE IF
32:14PEOPLE THINK BECAUSE HE'S OLD
32:17HE'S WEAK, AND DONALD TRUMP IS
32:18STRONGER, THEN THAT'S THE BALL
32:20GAME.
32:21SO, I SORT OF FEEL LIKE THAT --
32:23YOU CAN HAVE THAT DEBATE, BUT IT
32:24DOESN'T MATTER WHAT I THINK OR
32:26WHAT PEOPLE THINK ABOUT HIS
32:29COMPETENCE, IT MATTER WHAT THE
32:30VOTERS THINK.
32:31SO, IF THEY THINK HE'S TOO
32:32OLD -- NOW, WHERE I THINK WE CAN
32:33PLAY A ROLE AS THE PRESS, AND
32:36PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO COVER
32:37PRESIDENT BIDEN DAY-TO-DAY, IS
32:39TO -- IS TO WRITE ABOUT THIS
32:43INTELLIGENTLY, THOUGHTFULLY, IN
32:44OTHER WORDS, IF THERE'S EVIDENCE
32:46THAT JOE BIDEN'S AGE ACTUALLY IS
32:48A PERFORMANCE ISSUE FOR THEM,
32:50THEN WE SHOULD POINT THAT OUT,
32:51RIGHT?
32:52AND THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF
32:53PLACES WHERE HE'S MADE GAFFES,
32:55HE'S HAD TO BE CLEANED UP THE
32:56NEXT DAY BY AIDES ON SOME
32:57IMPORTANT ENOUGH ISSUES.
32:59BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, THERE'S A
33:02LOT OF EVIDENCE THAT HE'S
33:03CONDUCTED THE BUSINESS OF THE
33:05PRESIDENT VERY COMPETENTLY, SO,
33:06OUR JOB IS TO DO THAT.
33:07THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT ARE IS
33:10SIMPLY GOING TO BE UP TO THE
33:12VOTERS TO DECIDE.
33:13>> IF YOU LOOK AT WHO TRUMP
33:15IDOLIZES, IT'S THE STRONGMEN OF
33:16EUROPE.
33:17IT'S ERDOGAN IN TURKEY, IT'S
33:21ORBAN IN HUNGARY.
33:23WHEN HE THINKS OF THESE
33:25STRONGMEN, IT'S NOT A PHYSICAL
33:26THING, IT'S ABOUT
33:28AUTHORITARIANISM.
33:28>> I WONDER IF THE VOTERS WHO
33:30SAY THEY WANT A STRONG MAN KNOW
33:32THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT
33:34DEMOCRACY AND --
33:34>> IT'S VERY EASY TO ALIGN TWO
33:37THINGS, DOESN'T IT?
33:37TO BE TALKING ABOUT
33:39AUTHORITARIANISM AND POINT TO A
33:41MAN WHO IS SLIGHTLY STOOPED AND
33:42GO, YOU WON'T GET STRENGTH FROM
33:44HIM.
33:44THE NUMBER HERE THAT PEOPLE ARE
33:45ACTUALLY LOOKING AT, THAT IS
33:46LEAVING PEOPLE JAW-DROPPED, IS
33:50THE 66% OF IOWA VOTERS WHO
33:55BELIEVE DONALD TRUMP'S LIE.
33:56THAT THEY HAVE BEEN CONVINCED
33:59THAT DONALD TRUMP IS THE RIGHT
34:00PRESIDENT OF THIS TIME AND THAT
34:05HIS QUESTIONING OF THE
34:06LEGITIMACY OF JOE BIDEN IS
34:07SOMETHING THAT HE'S TAKEN TO
34:09IOWA.
34:09SO, I THINK ALL THE REPORTING
34:11THAT WE DO SHOULD COME ACTUALLY
34:14FROM THAT PRISM.
34:15THAT HE IS AN ELECTION DENIER,
34:16THAT HE HAS MANAGED TO CONVINCE
34:17PEOPLE OF THE LIES THAT HE'S
34:20BEEN TELLING FOR THE LAST 3 1/2
34:23YEARS, THAT HE'S USING HIS 91
34:27INDICTMENTS AS A FUND-RAISING
34:29TOOL.
34:29AND I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF US
34:30CAN BE COVERING YOUR ELECTION,
34:33THE AMERICAN ELECTIONS, WITHOUT
34:35ACTUALLY STARTING FROM THAT
34:36PLACE.
34:37IF THAT IS NOT A SORT OF -- A
34:40BLACK CLOUD ACROSS YOUR FOREHEAD
34:42OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE SAYING
34:43ON AIR, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'RE
34:44WRITING AND THINKING ABOUT, THEN
34:46WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOBS
34:47PROPERLY.
34:48>> I JUST WANT TO DOUBLE DOWN A
34:50LITTLE BIT.
34:50ARE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD SURE
34:51THAT HE'S GOING TO BE -- YOU SAY
34:53THIS FEELING OF INEVITABILITY.
34:56THEY DON'T WANT TO LOOK STUPID
34:58AND SAY, OF COURSE HE COULDN'T
34:59WIN, BECAUSE HE DID IN 2016?
35:01>> I THINK THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF
35:03THAT, YES.
35:04I THINK IF YOU DRILL DOWN WITH
35:05PEOPLE AND SAY, DO YOU TRULY,
35:07GENUINELY, THIS IS GOING TO BE
35:08THE OUTCOME, THEY WILL
35:10ACKNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE NO IDEA
35:11WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO BE.
35:12THEY'VE BEEN SURPRISED BEFORE,
35:14POLITICS IS INHERENTLY
35:16UNPREDICTABLE, U.S. POLITICS
35:17THESE DAYS IS PARTICULARLY
35:18UNPREDICTABLE.
35:19SO, I THINK THAT SOPHISTICATED
35:22ANALYSIS OF THIS, IN THE WORLD
35:23AT LARGE, ACKNOWLEDGES THAT
35:25NOTHING IS INEVITABLE HERE.
35:27A PRESIDENT WHO, AS EMILY SAYS,
35:30IS FACING 91 CRIMINAL COUNTS,
35:32RATHER, A CANDIDATE WHO IS
35:34FACING 91 CRIMINAL COUNTS, THAT
35:35HE COULD EMERGE AS PRESIDENT,
35:36THERE'S SOMETHING SLIGHTLY
35:37INCREDULOUS ABOUT THAT.
35:39SO, I THINK THAT IT IS A -- IT'S
35:42MORE OF AN EMOTIONAL FEELING.
35:43THAT IF THE COUNTRY WAS CAPABLE
35:45OF DOING THIS ONCE BEFORE, AND
35:48THEY SEE THESE KINDS OF NUMBERS,
35:49THIS KIND OF INCREDIBLE
35:53RESILIENT, UNSHAKABLE LOYALTY ON
35:53THE PART OF MAGA NATION, I THINK
35:55IT JUST -- IT MORE RESIDES IN
36:01THE PIT OF THEIR STOMACH.
36:02WE NEED TO START PLANNING AS
36:04THOUGH IT MAY HAPPEN AGAIN.
36:04>> YEAH.
36:07EMILY, MARK, THANK YOU VERY
36:08MUCH, INDEED.
36:09>> THANK YOU.
36:12>> OUR CONVERSATION JUST BEFORE
36:14THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY.
36:15>>> AND NOW, WE TURN TO THE
36:16RACIAL WEALTH GAP IN THE UNITED
36:17STATES.
36:19"THE BARBER OF LITTLE ROCK" IS A
36:21SHORT DOCUMENTARY THAT FOLLOWING
36:22THE STORY OF ARLO WASHINGTON.
36:24HE RUNS A BARBER COLLEGE IN
36:27ARKANSAS, AND A CREDIT UNION
36:28DEDICATED TO SERVING THE BLACK
36:29COMMUNITY.
36:30THE FILM EXPOSES ISSUES OF
36:33SEGREGATION AND ECONOMIC
36:35INEQUALITY THAT PERSIST TO THIS
36:36DAY.
36:36AND MICHEL MARTIN SPOKE WITH
36:38WASHINGTON AND WITH JOHN
36:39HOFFMAN, ONE OF THE FILMMAKERS,
36:42SHORTLY AFTER THEY RECEIVED THE
36:43NEWS THAT THEIR FILM HAD BEEN
36:44NOMINATED FOR AN OSCAR.
36:47>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE.
36:49JOHN HOFFMAN, ARLO WASHINGTON,
36:50THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING
36:51US.
36:52>> THANK YOU.
36:52>> OUR PLEASURE.
36:53>> AND A CONGRATULATIONS ON THE
36:55OSCAR NOMINATION.
36:55>> ABSOLUTELY.
36:57>> MR. WASHINGTON, YOU HAVE BEEN
36:58A BARBER IN LITTLE ROCK, IN YOUR
37:01COMMUNITY, FOR, WHAT, GOSH, MORE
37:02THAN 20 YEARS.
37:03BEFORE WE MOVE ON, I JUST -- I'M
37:06JUST NOT SURE EVERYBODY
37:09UNDERSTANDS WHAT A BARBER IN
37:10SOME COMMUNITIES DOES.
37:11COULD YOU JUST DESCRIBE FOR
37:12FOLKS WHO MAY NOT UNDERSTAND
37:16THIS, WHAT ROLE ABARBER CAN
37:19PLAY IN HIS COMMUNITY?
37:20>> ABSOLUTELY.
37:20THE BARBER IS THE CORNERSTONE OF
37:22THE BRICK BUILDING AND THE
37:23PILLAR OF THE COMMUNITY.
37:26BASH
37:26BARBERS ARE ESSENTIAL.
37:28BARBERS WERE HIGHLY ESTEEMED
37:30INDIVIDUALS IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
37:32THEY DID THE TOOTH PULLING, THEY
37:34DID THE BLOOD LETTING.
37:35WE HAVE DENTISTS AND DOCTORS
37:36BECAUSE OF THE BARBER
37:37PROFESSION.
37:38IT'S ONE OF THE OLDEST AND MOST
37:41PRESTIGIOUS PROFESSIONS.
37:43SO, BASH BARBERS ARE A MELTING
37:44POT,
37:46OR A COMMUNITY GATHERING, FOR
37:49PEOPLE NEEDING SERVICES.
37:50>> BUT YOU -- YOU OPENED THE
37:55COMMUNITY'S FIRST COMMUNITY
37:56DEVELOPMENT FINANCIAL
37:57INCONSTITUTION, THIS IS BACK IN
38:002008.
38:00YOU KNOW, BEING A BARBER IS NO
38:03SMALL THING.
38:03RUNNING A BUSINESS IS NO SMALL
38:05THING.
38:05RUNNING A BARBERING SCHOOL IS NO
38:07SMALL THING.
38:07SO, HOW DID YOU GET THE IDEA TO
38:13OPEN THIS FINANCIAL INSTITUTION?
38:14>> WE EMERGED OUT OF UNMET
38:16CREDIT NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
38:17IN 2009, ARKANSAS BECAME A
38:19CREDIT DESERT, WITH THE
38:21PROHIBITION OF PREDATORY PAYDAY
38:23LENDING, AND FROM THAT, WE BEGAN
38:24TO GET COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO COME
38:28AND ASK FOR LOANS.
38:29AND THAT'S HOW WE STARTED, AND
38:31LIKE MOST SMALL BUSINESSES, YOU
38:35KNOW, I STARTED IT OUT OF MY
38:36POCKET.
38:36BEING A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN
38:38THE COMMUNITY, AND GROWING UP IN
38:38THE COMMUNITY, AND EXPERIENCING
38:41GENERATIONAL POVERTY MYSELF, I
38:43KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF ACCESS TO
38:45CAPITAL, AND, YOU KNOW, BEING A
38:49BARBER IN THE COMMUNITY FOR SO
38:50LONG, AND PROVIDING SERVICES,
38:55BEING IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY, I
38:56WANTED TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE FOR
38:57AND CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR
39:00THOSE UNMET CREDIT NEEDS TO BE
39:02MET.
39:03WHENEVER INDIVIDUALS WOULD COME
39:04TO THE BARBER SCHOOL AND INQUIRE
39:06ABOUT LOANS, WE WOULD PROVIDE
39:09THEM WITH SMALL DOLLAR
39:11SHORT-TERM LOANS TO BE ABLE TO
39:13MEET THEIR IMMEDIATE UNMET NEED.
39:15AND IT GREW FROM THERE, FROM
39:18PROVIDING LOANS TO OUR STUDENT
39:19POPULATION, THOSE THAT WERE
39:21NEEDING WRAPAROUND SERVICES LIKE
39:23CHILD CARE, TRANSPORTATION,
39:25FOOD, SHELTER, PROVIDING THOSE
39:28SERVICES, BEING ABLE TO HELP
39:28THEM TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE
39:34PROGRAM.
39:34WE SAW THERE WAS A MINIMUM
39:36VIABLE PRODUCT THAT JUST WASN'T
39:37AVAILABLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND
39:38WE -- AND I BEGAN TO DO SOME
39:43RESEARCH ON PREDATORY PAYDAY
39:44LOANS AND HOW PAYDAY LOANS WAS
39:48AFFECTING MY COMMUNITY, PUTTING
39:50INDIVIDUALS IN DEBT TRAPS, WE
39:51WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A
39:53SAFER ALTERNATIVE FOR OUR
39:54COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WOULD
39:56IMPACT THEIR CREDIT, HELP THEM
39:57TO BUILD AND GENERATE WEALTH.
40:00>> MR. HOFFMAN, HOW DID YOU HEAR
40:00ABOUT MR. WASHINGTON'S WORK?
40:05>> WELL, CHRISTINE TURNER, MY
40:08CODIRECTOR, WANTED TO MAKE A
40:10FILM ABOUT THE RACIAL WEALTH
40:11GAP, AND IN OUR SORT OF DEEP
40:12DIVE INTO THE PROBLEM, WE READ A
40:15BOOK CALLED "THE COLOR OF
40:19MONEY", WHICH IS A REMARKABLE
40:21BOOK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF BLACK
40:23BANKING SINCE RECONSTRUCTION AND
40:24HOW IT'S JUST A SERIES OF
40:26FAILURE AFTER FAILURE OF
40:27GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS.
40:27BUT SHE SHE CALLS OUT A PROGRAM
40:32THAT WAS CREATED DURING THE
40:34CLINTON ADMINISTRATION OF
40:34COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FINANCIAL
40:36INSTITUTIONS, CDFIs, WHICH IS A
40:38PROGRAM RUN BY THE FED, THAT
40:40GETS CAPITAL INTO UNDERSERVED
40:43COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES OF
40:44COLOR, URBAN CENTERS, RURAL
40:45COMMUNITIES, BECAUSE CLINTON
40:47UNDERSTOOD THAT IF PEOPLE DON'T
40:50HAVE ACCESS TO CAPITAL, THEY
40:51CAN'T BUILD SMALL BUSINESSES
40:53THEY CAN'T GET LOANS FOR THEIR
40:55CARS OR FOR THEIR HOMES, THEIR
40:57FARMS.
40:57SO I WAS POINTED TO A
41:01CONVERSATION BETWEEN BILL
41:02CLINTON, DURING COVID, AND A
41:04WOMAN NAMED DONNA GAGAMBRELL,
41:07THE
41:09FIRST HEAD OF THIS ORGANIZATION.
41:10AND I REACHED OUT TO HER.
41:12SHE'S NOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE
41:13NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLACK
41:14BANKERS.
41:15AND I SAID, DONNA, WE WANT TO
41:18IMBED IN ONE OF THESE CDFIs, ONE
41:22OF THESE HIGH TOUCH LOAN
41:22INSTITUTIONS IN THE COMMUNITY.
41:24AND LIVE THERE FOR A YEAR, AND
41:28FOLLOW THE MONEY, SEE HOW ACCESS
41:30TO CAPITAL CAN TRANSFORM
41:32PEOPLE'S LIVES.
41:33BY CREATING OPPORTUNITIES.
41:34AND SO, SHE SAID, THERE'S THIS
41:36GUY IN LITTLE ROCK, HIS NAME IS
41:38ARLO WASHINGTON, AND HE HAS A
41:41BARBER COLLEGE, AND HE HAS A
41:42SHIPPING CONTAINER IN THE
41:43PARKING LOT OF HIS BARBER
41:45COLLEGE AND IT IS THIS CDFI.
41:48AND WE WERE LIKE, WE HAVE TO GO
41:51TO ARLO.
41:51THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENED.
41:52>> PEOPLE ARE SHARING SOME OF
41:54THEIR DEEPEST WOUNDS, AND I --
41:56MR. WASHINGTON, YOU, YOU KNOW,
41:57YOU CERTAINLY HAVE TO KNOW THAT,
41:58RIGHT?
41:59AND I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT
42:00WAS HARD TO KIND OF PERSUADE
42:02PEOPLE THAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS
42:02WAS NOT TO KIND OF MAKE FUN OF
42:03PEOPLE OR --
42:04>> RIGHT.
42:05>> LOOK DOWN ON THEM, BUT TO
42:07ELEVATE THE WORK.
42:09>> ABSOLUTELY.
42:11OF COURSE WHEN YOU HAVE A TALK
42:15ABOUT MONEY AND NEED, THAT'S A
42:16VERY SENSITIVE SUBJECT THAT A
42:19LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE
42:21WITH, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ON
42:22THE RECEIVING END OF IT, AND
42:24TELLING THEIR STORIES IS
42:27SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW --
42:30THESE WERE VERY AUTHENTIC AND
42:32ORGANIC, AND THEY WERE IN NEED,
42:33YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE, IF
42:34YOU'RE IN NEED, YOU KNOW, YOU
42:35DON'T THINK ABOUT WHO IS
42:37WATCHING OR WHAT'S GOING ON.
42:38YOU JUST KNOW THAT YOU NEED YOUR
42:40LIGHT BILL PAID, YOU NEED HELP
42:41WITH YOUR RENT, BECAUSE YOU'RE
42:42ABOUT TO BE EVICTED OR YOU ARE
42:45HOMELESS AND YOU NEED TO BE
42:47PLACED.
42:47AND LIFE IS HAPPENING, IT'S A
42:48CRISIS.
42:49THIS IS A GRANT, JUST AN
42:51EMERGENCY GRANT, YOU SAID YOU
42:53DIDN'T HAVE ANY CLOTHES, YOU
42:54DIDN'T HAVE ANY TRANSPORTATION.
42:56EVERYTHING BURNT UP.
42:57>> FOR 17 DAYS IN A HOTEL.
42:58MAN.
43:00>> THERE YOU GO.
43:03HOW MUCH IS THE WEEKLY RENT?
43:06>> THE WEEKLY RUNT?
43:07>> UH-HUH.
43:08>> IT'S NOT WEEKLY.
43:10SHE WAS GOING TO CHARGE ME $545
43:12A MONTH.
43:12>> MY MOTHER PASSED AWAY WITH
43:14CANCER, AND SO, I'M JUST
43:15THINKING, SINCE YOU, YOU KNOW,
43:16IN THAT SITUATION, MAYBE IF WE
43:17WAS ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE
43:20A GRANT FOR A MONTH, THAT WOULD
43:22GIVE YOU TIME TO FIND A PLACE,
43:24HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WORKS?
43:26>> THAT WOULD HELP ME.
43:27>> I THINK THAT WILL HELP.
43:28WHAT YOU THINK?
43:29>> IT WOULD HELP ME A LOT.
43:32>> MR. HOFFMAN, I WAS JUST
43:34CURIOUS, YOU ARE COMING TO THIS,
43:36BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO UNDERSTAND
43:37THIS ISSUE MORE, THIS IDEA OF,
43:39YOU KNOW, BLACK AND BROWN
43:40COMMUNITIES BEING HISTORICALLY
43:43UNDERSERVED AND UNDERSERVED TO
43:44THIS DAY.
43:46THERE THINGS IN THE COURSE OF
43:49YOUR REPORTING THAT SURPRISED
43:50EVEN YOU OR THAT REALLY STAY
43:51WITH YOU, EVEN NOW?
43:52>> I THINK THAT THE RACIAL
43:56DIVIDE AND THE ECONOMIC DIVIDE
43:58IN LITTLE ROCK, AND THE EXTENT
43:59OF IT, REALLY CHALLENGED ME AND
44:04MY UNDERSTANDING ABOUT CITIES IN
44:09AMERICA IN 2022 AND 2023 WHEN WE
44:11WERE MAKING THIS FILM.
44:12YOU KNOW, THE TWO SIDES OF
44:14LITTLE ROCK ARE DIVIDED BY AN
44:16INTERSTATE, AND THAT -- THE
44:19EFFECTS OF RED-LINING ARE STILL
44:21BEING FELT.
44:21THERE ARE -- THERE ARE STRONG
44:23REVERBERATIONS OF RED-LINING
44:25THAT ARE STILL AT WORK, AT PLAY,
44:27IN OUR AMERICAN CITIES.
44:28IT'S NOT JUST LITTLE ROCK, IT'S
44:30CITIES ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY.
44:31SO, ARLO AND SCOTT GREEN, WHO
44:33HAPPENS TO BE THE NEPHEW OF
44:36EARNEST GREEN, FELL ON THIS TOUR
44:38OF THE 12th STREET CORRIDOR,
44:39WHICH IS A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE
44:41LITTLE ROCK CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL
44:43IS, WHICH, PRIOR TO INTEGRATION,
44:46WAS, YOU KNOW, A WEALTHY, WHITE
44:48NEIGHBORHOOD.
44:48YOU SEE THESE ENORMOUS HOMES,
44:51BEAUTIFUL, OLD HOMES, ABANDONED,
44:53BOARDED UP.
44:55TREMENDOUS, TREMENDOUS LACK OF
44:56OPPORTUNITY.
44:57THERE'S NOT AN ATM, YOU KNOW,
44:58FOR LITERALLY MILES FOR THE
45:00COMMUNITY.
45:01AND THE FILM EXPLORES THAT AND
45:03PORTRAYS THAT.
45:04ARLO AND SCOTT GREEN DRIVE
45:06ACROSS THE INTERSTATE, THE WHITE
45:09FLIGHT AFTER INTEGRATION, LEFT
45:11LITTLE ROCK CENTRAL NEIGHBOR,
45:13YOU KNOW, BEREFT OF OPPORTUNITY.
45:17AND THEY GO LITERALLY ACROSS THE
45:19HIGHWAY TO A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE
45:20THERE ARE 14 BANKS SERVING ONLY
45:228,000 PEOPLE, WHERE THERE'S ZERO
45:23BANKS SERVING 30,000 BLACK
45:26MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
45:28ZERO.
45:28AND SO, WHAT ARLO IS DOING AND
45:31THE CDFI PROGRAM THAT HE HAS
45:31CREATED, YOU SEE THAT IT IS
45:35HAVING A MEASURABLE IMPACT ON
45:36THE LIVES OF PEOPLE IN LITTLE
45:37ROCK.
45:39AND IT'S NOT JUST A FEW LIVES.
45:41IT'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT
45:43ARLO IS IMPACTING.
45:44HE'S CREATING JOBS.
45:47AND HE SPEAKS ABOUT THAT IN THE
45:48FILM.
45:49THAT YOU HAVE TO -- YOU CAN'T
45:50DEVELOP THE COMMUNITY UNLESS YOU
45:51DEVELOP THE PEOPLE.
45:52SO -- AND YOU CAN'T DEVELOP THE
45:54PEOPLE UNLESS THEY HAVE ACCESS
45:54TO CAPITAL.
45:55>> MR. WASHINGTON, WHAT'S THE
45:58AVERAGE LOAN, AND WHAT'S THE
46:00REPAYMENT RATE?
46:02>> RIGHT, THE AVERAGE LOAN IS
46:04ANYWHERE FROM $500 TO $2,500.
46:07AND THE REPAYMENT IS ABOUT --
46:10OUR DEFAULT RATE IS ABOUT 6%.
46:11>> 6%?
46:12>> YES.
46:13>> SO, THAT MEANS THAT --
46:14>> TODAY.
46:15TODAY.
46:16>> 94% OF THE PEOPLE PAY THE
46:16LOANS BACK?
46:17>> YES.
46:18>> SO, THE ARGUMENT, MR.
46:21WASHINGTON, THAT THE BIG BANKS
46:22MAKE ABOUT WHY THEY DON'T SERVE
46:23THAT COMMUNITY IS THEY FIGURE
46:25PEOPLE ARE POOR AND THEY'RE NOT
46:26GOING TO PAY THE LOANS BACK.
46:27BUT PEOPLE DO PAY YOUR LOANS
46:28BACK.
46:29>> YEAH, I MEAN, SO, WE HAVE
46:31DIFFERENT LOAN PRODUCTS, YOU
46:33KNOW, WE HAVE -- AND OUR
46:35PRODUCT, OUR LOAN PRODUCTS MEET
46:37COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHERE THEY ARE
46:38ON THEIR FINANCIAL JOURNEY.
46:39WE ALSO PROVIDE DEVELOPMENTAL
46:40SERVICES, AS WELL, LIKE
46:42FINANCIAL LITERACY AND TECHNICAL
46:45ASSISTANCE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES.
46:46BUT THE MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCT
46:48HERE IS THE SMALL DOLLAR LOAN,
46:50THE CONSUMER LOAN, BECAUSE WHEN
46:51YOU THINK ABOUT THE GAPS THAT
46:56INDIVIDUALS AND COMMUNITIES
46:57EXPERIENCE, IT'S THAT SHORT-TERM
46:59FUNDING OPPORTUNITY THAT KEEPS
47:02THEIR -- KEEPS THEIR CREDIT IN
47:04GOOD, HEALTHY SHAPE.
47:05KEEPS THEIR, YOU KNOW, BEING
47:08ABLE TO STAY IN THEIR HOME OR
47:08KEEP THEIR CAR.
47:10AND -- BUT LIFE, CIRCUMSTANCES
47:13HAPPEN, AND SO PAYDAY LENDERS,
47:15PREDATORY PAYDAY LENDERS, YOU
47:16KNOW, ARE RIGHT THERE AT THE
47:17DOOR TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE
47:20CAPITAL THAT A TRADITIONAL BANK
47:24JUST SIMPLY WON'T PROVIDE Z
47:28BECAUSE OF IT BEING SUCH A SMALL
47:30DEAL.
47:31BUT THIS IS A TRILLION DOLLAR
47:32INDUSTRY, AS WELL, SO, EVEN
47:35THOUGH IT'S PREDATORY TO SOME
47:38PEOPLE, IT'S HELPFUL TO PEOPLE
47:39WHO CAN'T GET HELP ANYWHERE
47:40ELSE.
47:41SO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING THAT
47:43MINIMUM VIABLE PRODUCT HERE IN
47:44ARKANSAS, WITH IT BEING THE ONLY
47:45STATE THAT WAS BLACKED OUT FOR
47:47AWHILE WITH THE 17% RATE CAP, IS
47:49WHAT, YOU KNOW, STILL IS WHAT
47:53CREATED THE INTERIOR COUNTIES
47:56BEINGAL CREDIT DESERT.
47:57COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE DRIVING TO
47:58BORDER STATES TO ET BE LOANS OR
48:00GOING ONLINE AND STILL ACCESSING
48:01THESE PREDATORY PAYDAY LOANS,
48:05MERCHANT CASH ADVANCES FOR THEIR
48:06BUSINESS, AND THERE WAS AN UNMET
48:08CREDIT NEED THAT JUST WASN'T
48:09BEING FILLED FOR THOSE LOANS
48:10THAT WERE $50,000 AND LESS.
48:12>> WE SAW IN THE FILM THAT
48:14INITIALLY, YOU WERE FUNDING
48:15THESE LOANS OUT OF YOUR OWN
48:17POCKET, JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE YOU
48:20KNEW ASKED YOU.
48:21HOW DO YOU FUND IT NOW?
48:23>> IT'S FUNDED NOW THROUGH
48:25GRANTS AND LOANS.
48:27LOW-COST, LONG-TERM LOANS.
48:29CDFIs, THE MODEL OF CDFIs IS, IS
48:33DEBT CAPITAL.
48:34A LOT OF IT IS DEBT CAPITAL.
48:37SO, WE BORROW MONEY AT A LOWER
48:39RATE AND THEN WE RELEND IT AT A
48:42HIGHER RATE, CDFIs ARE SPREAD
48:45LEPDERS, SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S --
48:47WHEN IT FIRST STARTED, YOU KNOW,
48:50I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, I
48:51JUST WANTED TO HELP, AND BE A
48:52RESOURCE.
48:53AND WE WERE RESTRICTED ON THE
48:56AMOUNT OF FUNDING THAT WE WERE
48:57ABLE TO DEPLOY, OR THE AMOUNT OF
49:00MONEY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO LEND
49:01EACH MONTH, YOU KNOW?
49:01I WOULD -- I SET ASIDE $1,000
49:03OUT OF MY PAYCHECK AND I WOULD
49:09MAKE $250 LOANS AT 5% FOR, YOU
49:13KNOW, SIX-MONTH TERMS.
49:15OF COURSE, THAT WASN'T
49:16SUSTAINABLE, IT WASN'T
49:17PROFITABLE, AND IT WASN'T
49:19SCALEABLE.
49:19WE GOT MORE SOPHISTICATED AS WE
49:22BEGAN TO GROW AND BUILD
49:24CAPACITY.
49:24>> MR. HOFFMAN, I THINK THERE
49:26ARE SOMETHING LIKE, WHAT, 1,500
49:28COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FINANCIAL
49:29INSTITUTIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY.
49:31THAT'S STILL NOT A LOT, COMPARED
49:33TO THE NUMBER OF PLACES WHERE
49:37PEOPLE ARE UNBANKED, OR
49:39MINIMALLY BANKED, OR WHO ARE
49:41RELYING ON PAYDAY LOANS.
49:42WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THERE
49:43AREN'T MORE OF THESE?
49:46>> WELL, THERE AREN'T MORE
49:48BECAUSE THE CONGRESS HAS ONLY
49:51ALLOCATED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF
49:52MONEY.
49:53SO, YOU COULD DOUBLE, YOU COULD
49:55TRIPLE, YOU COULD QUADRUPLE THE
49:58CDFI PROGRAM AND YOU WOULD STILL
49:59HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF
50:01UNMET NEED OUT THERE.
50:04BUT AS IT'S CONCEIVED, IT IS
50:07WORKING, CONCEPTIONALLY, SO,
50:08AGAIN, CREDIT BACK TO BILL
50:09CLINTON FOR, YOU KNOW, SEEING
50:12THAT, THAT THERE WAS AN UNMET
50:14CREDIT NEED IN THIS COUNTRY AND
50:15IT'S KEEPING COMMUNITIES DOWN.
50:17AND SO, IT'S ABOUT $10 BILLION A
50:19YEAR RIGHT NOW IN THE FEDERAL
50:21GOVERNMENT, IT'SED A MINISTERED
50:22BY THE FED.
50:23THIS IS $10 BILLION THAT'S GOING
50:25OUT AND ARLO GETS A LITTLE PIECE
50:26OF THAT AND HE'S ABLE TO
50:28DISTRIBUTE THAT MONEY TO CHANGE
50:30PEOPLE'S LIVES.
50:30SO, IF THE PROGRAM, IF CONGRESS
50:32DECIDED TO DOUBLE OR TRIPLE IT,
50:33THERE WOULD BE THAT MUCH MORE
50:34MONEY THAT PEOPLE LIKE ARLO
50:36COULD BE, YOU KNOW, LOANING OUT,
50:40AND CHANGING MORE PEOPLE'S
50:41LIVES.
50:41>> DO YOU THINK THAT, YOU KNOW,
50:43I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
50:44PEOPLE WILL SEE IN THE FILM IS
50:45THAT GETTING A LOAN FROM YOUR
50:50INSTITUTION, IT'S KIND OF A
50:51DIFFERENT PROCESS.
50:52>> YOU'RE SAYING YOU INTERESTED
50:53IN A LOAN?
50:54>> YES, MA'AM.
50:55>> OKAY.
50:56TELL ME ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING
50:58WITH YOUR BUSINESSES?
51:01>> I DO CREDIT RESTORATION, I
51:03ALSO HAVE A T-SHIRT AND DECAL
51:06LINE.
51:06>> OKAY.
51:06>> DUE TO THE THINGS THAT I DEAL
51:08WITH IN LIFE, SUCH AS SICKLE
51:11CELL, HAVING A PACEMAKER, HAVING
51:1480% MASS IN MY RIGHT BREAST,
51:15GOING TO TREATMENT ONCE A
51:17WEEK --
51:17>> AND YOU STILL RUN THREE
51:19BUSINESSES?
51:19>> YES, MA'AM.
51:19>> I HEARD THAT NOW.
51:21>> DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR STAFF,
51:22YOUR EMPLOYEES HAVE SORT OF A
51:25SPECIAL SAUCE, OR A WAY THEY
51:27DEAL WITH PEOPLE OR SEE PEOPLE
51:28OR EVALUATE PEOPLE?
51:29>> I WOULD SAY, IT'S THE
51:30CULTURAL DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW,
51:34WHAT'S HELD COMMUNITIES BACK,
51:36YOU KNOW, FOR THE MOST PART, IS
51:37FEAR AND INSECURITY OF DEALING
51:38WITH A FINANCIAL INSTITUTION,
51:40BECAUSE UNBANKED AND UNDERBANKED
51:45POPULATIONS IS JUST NOT USED TO
51:46IT.
51:47AND IT CAN BE INTIMIDATING, WHEN
51:48YOU, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT TREATED
51:52WITH THE SAME DIGNITY AND
51:56RESPECT THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR
51:57WHITE COUNTERPARTS EXPERIENCE.
51:58WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE -- YOU
52:01THINK ABOUT THE HISTORIC, YOU
52:03KNOW, ABANDONMENT OF BANKS FROM
52:08LOW AND MODERATE INCOME
52:12COMMUNITIES, AND JUST THE
52:13GENERATIONAL POVERTY THAT'S
52:14CAUSED FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S
52:15A MENTALITY.
52:17SO, I WOULD SAY THE CULTURAL
52:19DIFFERENCE.
52:19>> AND MR. HOFFMAN, LET ME ASK
52:20YOU, BEFORE WE LET YOU GO, I WAS
52:22JUST WONDERING IF THERE WAS
52:23SOMETHING ABOUT THIS EXPERIENCE
52:25OF MAKING THIS FILM THAT HAS
52:26CHANGED YOU IN SOME WAY?
52:29>> I LOVED MAKING THIS FILM.
52:30I THINK THAT, FOR ME TO BE
52:36WELCOMED IN, A WHITE MAN, AN
52:38OLDER WHITE MAN WITH WHITE HAIR,
52:40TO BE WELCOMED INTO -- BY ARLO
52:42AND TO ALL THESE COMMUNITIES
52:44THAT HE'S APART OF, WHETHER IT'S
52:46IN THE BARBER COLLEGE, IN THE
52:48SHIPPING CONTAINER, IN THE OTHER
52:49BANK BRANCH, AND TO DEVELOP
52:51THESE FRIENDSHIPS WITH PEOPLE
52:52WHO WILL FOREVER BE IN MY LIFE,
52:56AND TO REALLY HAVE THE -- THE
53:04TRUST EXTENDED TO ME IN
53:05PARTICULAR, AND HAS BEEN, YOU
53:09KNOW, A DEEP -- A DEEPLY
53:11EFFECTIVE EXPERIENCE, AND A
53:14TREASURED ONE.
53:15>> AND MR. WASHINGTON, WHAT IS
53:16NEXT FOR YOU?
53:17WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
53:20>> YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE
53:21MISSION.
53:23WITH ME.
53:25AT THIS POINT, STAYING TRUE TO
53:26THE MISSION.
53:28AND CLOSING THE WEALTH GAP IN
53:29AMERICA.
53:31YOU KNOW, WE'VE -- WE NOW HAVE A
53:36FEDERAL CREDIT UNION, WE NOW ARE
53:39TAKING DEPOSITS, SO, WE ARE
53:41TAKING A WHOLISTIC APPROACH TO
53:43CLOSING THE WEALTH GAP.
53:45WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW,
53:48FINANCIAL LITERACY WITH THE LOAN
53:52FUND, WITH THE CREDIT UNION,
53:53WE'RE ABLE TO TEACH ABOUT
53:56INVESTING AND SAVING AND ALL THE
53:58THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL WHEN
54:00IT COMES DOWN TO YOUR FINANCIAL
54:05STABILITY.
54:06WHETHER YOU'RE NEEDING TO GAIN
54:08OR REGAIN ECONOMIC MOBILITY,
54:10JUST BEING A RESOURCE AND A
54:11CONDUIT OF RESOURCES, AND
54:13ENSURING THE FEDERAL PROGRAMS OR
54:14INVESTMENTS THAT ARE MADE TO GET
54:17TO THE -- MEANT TO GET TO THE
54:18COMMUNITY, GET THERE.
54:20YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY LIFE'S WORK,
54:22YOU KNOW, I CONSIDER IT GOD'S
54:23WORK, I CONSIDER IT AN HONOR AND
54:25A PREF LEDGE SO SERVE.
54:27>> ALL RIGHT, ARLO WASHINGTON,
54:28JOHN HOFFMAN, THANK YOU BOTH SO
54:30MUCH FOR TALKING WITH US TODAY
54:32AND CONGRATULATIOS ONCE AGAIN.
54:33>> THANK YOU.
54:33>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
54:35>> A VITAL MISSION, INDEED.
54:37AND WE WISH THEM GOOD LUCK AT
54:39THE OSCARS IN MARCH.
54:40>>> AND TUNE IN TOMORROW NIGHT
54:41FOR MY INTERVIEW WITH THE
54:44AWARD-WINNING FILMMAKER AVA
54:47DUVERNAY.
54:47SHE WILL JOIN ME ABOUT HER NEW
54:52OVIE "ORIGINS."
54:56WE'LL DISCUSS THAT, THE OSCARS,
54:58AND MUCH MORE.
54:59>>> FINALLY, AWAY FROM THEIR
55:00WARS, TWO SPORTING TRIUMPHS.
55:02THE PALESTINIAN FOOTBALL TEAM
55:03MADE HISTORY, BEATING HONG KONG
55:06AND QUALIFYING FOR THE KNOCKOUT
55:08STAGES OF THE AFC ASIAN CUP FOR
55:11THE VERY FIRST TIME.
55:13WHILE OVER IN THE LAND OF OZ,
55:14UKRAINIAN TENNIS PLAYER DIANA YA
55:18STREM SKA HAS BROKEN THROUGH TO
55:19THE SEMIFINALS OF THE AUSTRALIAN
55:20OPEN, AFTER ENTERING AS A
55:23QUALIFIER.
55:23IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT'S
55:25HAPPENED IN ALMOST HALF A
55:26CENTURY.
55:27>>> AND THAT IS IT FOR OUR
55:27PROGRAM TONIGHT.
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