Kya Mojooda Sorat e Haal Mein Bani PTI Ki Janib Se Khat Likhnay Ka Faisla Durust Hoga? ?
Kya Mojooda Sorat e Haal Mein Bani PTI Ki Janib Se Khat Likhnay Ka Faisla Durust Hoga? ?
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00:00 I want to go to Shabaz Rana. Shabaz, you are giving a statement on justice.
00:04 You have given us the context.
00:06 Is there any effect of writing this letter?
00:09 Or is it a correspondence?
00:15 You are writing this letter in the same series.
00:17 And at this time, writing this letter,
00:19 look at it in full context and tell us, is it a wise move?
00:23 In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most merciful.
00:27 The problem is that when a segment of the society thinks that
00:32 there is a violation with PTI,
00:34 Imran Khan does something like this.
00:37 Their well-wishers also become defensive.
00:40 Imran Khan has decided to do the same.
00:43 If he makes it complete,
00:46 that he has tried to make a move
00:49 which will not benefit him
00:51 and nor will it have any impact on the stage.
00:54 What is the reason for this statement of mine?
00:57 As Zaman was saying,
01:00 when the last time the IRF program was held,
01:03 when the IRF team came to Pakistan,
01:05 not only PTI, but also the people of Noorli
01:07 and the people of Pakistan People's Party met.
01:09 And its background was that
01:11 a caretaker government was going to come.
01:14 At that time, this whole program was going to happen.
01:16 Three governments were going to come,
01:18 PDM, caretaker and a new government,
01:20 presumably, in December,
01:22 were going to come due to the election.
01:23 But the election was delayed.
01:25 So in that context, if PTI expressed
01:28 negative feelings about it,
01:30 then the matter would have been understood.
01:32 Now, let's come to their statement.
01:35 Look, the IMF is not a state department.
01:38 Nor is it the US Justice Department
01:40 that will take any action on their say.
01:41 Nor is the IMF's mandate
01:43 that in any country, they should make such a demand
01:46 that you will clarify your elections,
01:50 then we will listen to you and give you a loan.
01:52 At this stage, in my personal opinion,
01:54 Imran Khan's move has no value.
01:58 Why?
01:58 Because now one thing is very clear
02:01 and the IMF is observing Pakistan very carefully.
02:03 The PMLN and the Pakistan People's Party
02:06 are going to be united.
02:07 Because of that, both these parties
02:09 are getting a majority in the National Assembly.
02:11 And it seems that both these parties
02:13 and the other parties with them
02:15 will form a government together.
02:17 Whatever government will be there,
02:18 whether it is the Alliance or PTI,
02:21 it will have value in the IMF's program.
02:23 This will be an elected government
02:25 apparently for the period of 5 years,
02:28 which is a period of time of the National Assembly.
02:30 So when a government is going to be 5 years old
02:33 and whatever government will be formed next week,
02:36 it will take a formal request to the IMF
02:39 that not only will you complete this program,
02:41 its final review,
02:42 and prepare a $2 billion loan,
02:44 but also start talking about the next review.
02:47 So the statement of that,
02:49 its letter of intent will have value.
02:52 I don't think that Imran Khan's letter
02:54 will have any value in my opinion.
02:57 In the past, when there was an ongoing program
03:00 that was going on during the time of the elected government,
03:02 there were meetings and consultations in the background.
03:06 But sometime, when our last long-term program was there,
03:09 the IMF team went to the Kaima Committee,
03:13 which is a treasury of the National Assembly,
03:16 and from there, they took the parliament on board.
03:20 The request that Mr. Muzammil is making
03:22 from his board to take all stakeholders on board,
03:27 the reason for that is that
03:29 the reforms and reforms in Pakistan
03:31 do not have a broader ownership.
03:33 So because there is a problem,
03:35 they will ask you carefully.
03:37 And in the last program,
03:38 it was a 9-month program,
03:40 the three governments had to come,
03:41 and at this stage, I don't think it will have any value.
03:43 Okay, quickly, Mr. Muzammil,
03:45 while concluding this debate,
03:46 the letter that you wrote,
03:48 the perception is that
03:51 you want to halt the process of loans
03:55 so that until the allegations of corruption
03:58 and transparency against the election are cleared,
04:02 is this the intent?
04:03 No, no, it has nothing to do with
04:07 whether you halt the loan or not.
04:09 As I told you,
04:11 if we had to halt it,
04:12 when the PDM was in power,
04:14 if it had not talked to the loan leak,
04:16 then they would not have done it.
04:18 At that time, we did not do it.
04:20 So now we feel that our government
04:22 could have been formed or will be formed.
04:24 Okay?
04:25 Our goal is to clear the mandate.
04:28 And you will remember that
04:30 when you came last time,
04:31 you talked about PTI and one thing that happened was
04:34 that what guarantee do you have that elections will be held?
04:36 Okay.
04:37 Imran Khan had given a statement on that too.
04:39 So, okay, if we are so worthless
04:41 and we have no worth,
04:43 then why is this whole issue being made?
04:45 How will IMF clear the mandate?
04:46 Like Mr. Shahbaz has mentioned very well,
04:48 that it is neither a state department
04:49 nor does it have any other authority.
04:50 It is simple,
04:51 the numbers and figures of government to government
04:53 have to be matched,
04:54 the program has to be taken forward.
04:56 So how will IMF ensure?
04:57 Isn't it the wrong forum?
04:58 Look, I was going to call him Shahbaz Sharif.
05:02 Shahbaz Rana has his own opinion.
05:06 I have also covered the IMF for 18-19 years.
05:11 I have also met a lot.
05:13 I also understand the IMF as much as I can.
05:15 IMF, whenever a government caretaker comes,
05:19 like in 2018 when Mifta Ismail became the minister for a year,
05:23 so Mifta went to ask for a program.
05:25 They said, we will see after the elections.
05:27 So IMF is very careful about one thing,
05:30 that is the mandate.
05:32 And at this time, if the elections of Pakistan
05:33 are not controversial in your eyes,
05:36 then it is a different thing.
05:37 The world is in the eyes,
05:39 whether it is in the big cities of the world.
05:40 Okay, today it is written in the Financial Times
05:42 that the government does not have a mandate.
05:44 We will do whatever we want.
05:45 Look, if the IMF is so blind,
05:49 then I don't know,
05:50 but at this time, I have not seen so much press
05:52 in the 2018 elections as I have seen this time.
05:55 And now even the world's leaders have raised their voices.
05:59 Okay, I have to close this debate.
06:00 Shahbaz, quickly, does the mandate matter or not?
06:03 Or will the IMF follow the agreement?
06:06 The government, whoever comes,
06:06 eventually has to work with them.
06:09 Look, whoever has proven his majority in the National Assembly
06:14 on 29th Feb or whenever this meeting takes place,
06:17 how can the IMF, World Bank or any institution question it?
06:22 In such a time, if you look at the geopolitical situation,
06:26 and the relations of Pakistan with the Maghreb countries,
06:28 if you look at them,
06:30 I don't see any possibility that the IMF
06:32 can question your mandate.
06:34 If the problem has come to any stage,
06:36 for example, if they get stuck in talks in the future,
06:39 because of some reason,
06:40 they cannot reach a staff-level agreement,
06:43 then at such a time, the IMF can use this as an excuse
06:47 that we need broader ownership,
06:49 we will have to consult with some other people.
06:51 If the IMF goes by book,
06:53 and Pakistan has the support of the West,
06:55 which I think is the case,
06:56 then I don't think there will be any problem.