The Reporters | Khawar Ghumman & Chaudhry Ghulam Hussain | ARY News | 26th February 2024

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Host:
- Khawar Ghumman

Guests:
- Haider Naqvi (Analyst)
- Hassan Ayub Khan (Analyst)
- Abid S Zuberi (Lawyer)

Why did President Alvi refuse to call a national assembly session?

Abid Zuberi reacts to President Alvi's refusal to call the NA session

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Transcript
00:00 Assalamu alaikum, dear viewers, welcome to our first program of the week, Sunday.
00:17 The government's plan has reached its completion in Punjab and Sindh.
00:24 The Chief Organizer of Pakistan Muslim League Noon, Marjum Nawaz Sharif has taken up the role of Chief Minister of Punjab.
00:34 We will talk about the details of the development and how much it will be completed.
00:40 We will also talk about the new and good changes that we will expect in the next five years.
00:47 The election of Murad Ali Shah has been a consecutive third time in Sindh.
00:55 He will take up the role of Chief Minister of Sindh.
00:58 He has won the election with majority.
01:03 The government's plan has been successful in both the provinces.
01:08 But the situation in the federal province is getting worse.
01:14 According to Article 91.2 of the Constitution, the President of the country will be called for a National Assembly session within 21 days.
01:26 Article 91.2 states that the National Assembly session will be held on 21st of the General Election.
01:34 But the President of the country can request for a session before that.
01:39 We have received information from the President that the summary advised to him regarding the National Assembly session is incomplete.
01:53 It is a matter of reserve seats.
01:56 The election commission has not given a clear order.
02:01 I cannot call for this session until the House is complete.
02:05 We have with us the Deputy Bureau Chief, Azhar Farooq Malik.
02:09 We have received information that the Speaker of the House will continue his office until the new members are appointed.
02:22 We have received information from Mr. Parvez Ashraf that the session will be held on 29th of February.
02:36 Mr. Malik, what is the latest development?
02:40 Has the President of the country returned the writing summary?
02:46 Or is the news based on the sources that the session has been called for on 29th of February at 10am?
02:54 The summary that was sent to the President of the country was for 26th of February.
03:00 The Parliamentary Affairs Department requested that the session be called for 26th of February.
03:04 But as you said, the President of the country cannot call for the session because the House is not complete.
03:11 He rejected the summary and sent it back.
03:14 The session was not called for.
03:16 Today, a detailed session was held in the House of Representatives.
03:20 There was a confusion because there was no way that the President would not call for the session.
03:25 So, what was the subject matter?
03:27 The Speaker of the House of Representatives discussed with the legal experts.
03:31 The Law Ministry and the Parliamentary Affairs Department gave input.
03:35 After that, it was decided that if such a situation arises, the Speaker of the House of Representatives can call for the session.
03:41 So, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, in the light of the opinion given by the legal experts,
03:47 has now called for the session on 29th of February at 10am.
03:51 Because the legal requirement is that the session cannot be held beyond 29th of February.
03:56 It was very important to call for the session within 21 days.
03:59 That is why the Speaker has used his options.
04:02 And according to him, the session has now been called for on 29th of February at 10am.
04:06 And on the first day, the nine elected officials will take their opinions.
04:12 And along with that, the schedule for the election of the Speaker and Deputy Speaker will be held.
04:17 So, this confusion is almost over now.
04:19 Because the session has been called for.
04:21 Yes, Mr. Azhar Farooq, thank you very much.
04:23 Let's move forward.
04:24 As you know, Mr. Ishaq Das was very much in a hurry regarding this issue.
04:28 Although, two days are left, rather three days are left.
04:30 Today is 26th of February.
04:32 Three days are expected.
04:34 Obviously, this is a legal and a legal matter.
04:36 There had to be a solution to this.
04:38 And it was the responsibility of the government to find a solution.
04:41 But let's see what Mr. Ishaq Das was saying.
05:03 Our expectations are that Mr. Azam Nazeer Tariq, who is going to become the Law Minister,
05:08 a clear explanation has been presented from him.
05:12 The intention of the law is that the President has to call the session on the 21st of February, under Article 91.
05:20 And because the Prime Minister is present, whether he is the country's leader or not,
05:25 it is his right to send a summary.
05:27 He has sent an advice that the session should be called.
05:30 Whether he calls it or not, I think this is against the law.
05:33 If the President is determined that he does not want to call it,
05:36 Article 91 says that it has to be held on the 21st of February.
05:41 It is not written anywhere in the entire constitution that if a percentage of the reserve seats are not notified,
05:48 then the assembly is incomplete.
05:50 The concept of incomplete assembly is neither in the constitution nor in the rules and procedures of the assembly.
05:56 Ladies and gentlemen, obviously, the Pakistan People's Party is also going to sit on the government's benches.
06:02 So how can the People's Party be left behind in this regard?
06:04 President Arif Alvi, despite being forced to comply with his constitutional obligations,
06:09 has again taken a step that has left a regrettable mark on his position.
06:18 He has not yet called the House.
06:21 And the constitution is absolutely clear.
06:24 Article 91.2, you can see.
06:25 Then why does he want to be the representative of Shikni?
06:28 The women's sessions are now in the hands of the Election Commission.
06:33 Ladies and gentlemen, obviously, the Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf is now a part of the Sunni Council.
06:38 Mr. Shaukat Yusuf Zaheer, what is he saying in this regard?
06:42 You listen to that too.
06:43 The assembly session is being called under pressure from the President of the country.
06:48 This will be extremely sad, it will be unconstitutional.
06:51 Now, calling a session in an incomplete parliament, creating a government, this will be extremely inappropriate.
06:56 Even today, Mr. President of the country, you have complete power.
07:00 Respect the constitution and the law. Do not favor anyone.
07:03 Ladies and gentlemen, the most important statement that came to us, we read it, we heard it.
07:09 Kamat Dilshad, former Secretary of the Election Commission, now the Nigrahan government,
07:13 has now become the former, he was also the advisor of Punjab.
07:16 Former Nigrahan, who used to advise Prime Minister Naqvi on constitutional and legal matters,
07:21 what is he saying, listen.
07:22 According to the constitution, it will be necessary to pass the National Declaration before February 29.
07:29 It is mandatory.
07:30 If any such reason arises that the President of the country is hesitating to pass the National Declaration,
07:38 then we will take action on it.
07:40 One third of the members of the National Assembly, if they send their speakers,
07:45 then they can request.
07:47 But the question arises here that since no one has taken a decision yet,
07:52 then the speaker, who will carry out the National Declaration,
07:55 can't come to the requisition, because he has not yet taken a decision.
07:59 So it is clear that the speaker is not in a position to request.
08:02 But at the same time, it is clear that the speaker is not in a position to request for action in the eyes of the law.
08:09 And the speaker is also a big speaker.
08:12 Ladies and gentlemen, it is obviously a very important legal and legal matter.
08:16 We have invited Abid Zubairi, former President of the Supreme Court Bar, to discuss this matter.
08:23 Thank you very much, Mr. Abid.
08:25 Please tell us, Mr. Zubairi, sorry, I am calling you Abid.
08:30 Mr. Zubairi, please tell us, how important is this matter in the eyes of the law?
08:37 Because earlier we saw that the elections were not held within 90 days.
08:40 It was said that no problem, Article 254 will be applied.
08:43 Then it was said that within 14 days, the results of the elections,
08:50 their announcement is necessary. It was said that no problem, let's move forward.
08:54 Then it was said that the notification is necessary.
08:57 When the free candidates join in three days,
09:00 then the women's sessions have to be joined in the next day.
09:04 And its announcement should be made. The Election Commission is still silent.
09:07 I was seeing that the 94th subclass of the Election Act is very clear in this regard that it should be done,
09:14 the notification should be made. It was not done.
09:16 Mr. Zubairi, the politicians are making a lot of hue and cry on this.
09:21 What was the solution in your view, legally and legally?
09:24 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.
09:27 See, there are two or three things that are very clear in this.
09:29 I was listening to what you told me about the people.
09:33 First, understand what the National Assembly is.
09:36 The National Assembly is a constitution from Article 51,
09:39 which deals with how many sessions will be held in the National Assembly.
09:42 You see in Article 51, there are 336 sessions and 10 will be added to the minority.
09:52 The total becomes 342.
09:56 But the defined number is 336.
09:58 326 plus 10 is 336.
10:01 Now this is your National Assembly.
10:03 And the session that you have to call, you have to call it within 21 days under Article 91(2)
10:12 or the President can call it before that.
10:14 It is also mandatory that you have to meet in the Parliament within 21 days.
10:18 But the National Assembly is not yet complete in my opinion.
10:21 When the National Assembly is not complete, then how is a session being called?
10:25 So see, this is a very important thing.
10:27 Because the House means National Assembly and Senate.
10:30 And Article 51 defines what the National Assembly is.
10:33 You yourself said that they have to join within 3 days.
10:36 You say there is no notification.
10:38 And you have not even accepted any election laws.
10:41 You did not get an election on the 9th day.
10:43 There was no notification.
10:44 We were stuck in the fights of 45-47.
10:47 There was no notification.
10:49 There are serious questions on the election, how the elections were held.
10:52 So I think that until your National Assembly is not complete,
10:56 this session cannot be held.
10:59 You need to see, there is still time.
11:01 The Election Commission, who has 70 seats on the reserve seats,
11:06 60 women and 10 minorities,
11:09 notify them immediately and call the session within 21 days.
11:14 The important question here is that the rest of the process of all the Jamaats has been completed.
11:19 Obviously, it was an unprecedented matter.
11:21 The supporters of the movement for justice came in large numbers.
11:25 They had to join a political party, the Sunni Unity Council.
11:29 They joined.
11:30 Now, the matter is, can a Jamaat, which has no seat of its own,
11:35 can it demand, can it claim?
11:37 The Election Commission had to decide on this.
11:39 If despite all this, this matter is hanging,
11:42 and the respected President of Pakistan remains silent,
11:45 21 days pass, then what solution do you see in the law and the constitution?
11:49 You will have to go to court and add it.
11:52 Because, see, the speaker is a temporary speaker.
11:56 Because, see, you are not a member until you take the oath.
11:59 It is clear in the constitution, there is an article,
12:02 that until you take the oath, you are not a member.
12:04 You have to take the oath according to the third schedule.
12:07 The assembly should be summoned.
12:09 The President will summon it.
12:10 It will be in the assembly within 21 days.
12:12 But the assembly cannot be found according to me,
12:14 because I have a view that it is not complete.
12:16 The second thing is that it is written in the constitution
12:19 that the independents will join a party
12:21 and according to that,
12:22 they will have seats in it with proportional representation.
12:25 Now, this is not written anywhere.
12:27 In the section 104 of the Election Act,
12:30 they have to give lists in advance and all these things.
12:33 But there is no such provision in the constitution.
12:36 The constitution says that whoever has such a position…
12:38 Mr. Zubair, you stay with us.
12:40 My other colleagues are also present.
12:42 I will go to Mr. Haider Naqvi first, towards Karachi.
12:45 Mr. Naqvi, you are seeing this whole matter.
12:48 Obviously, it is an important constitutional and legal point.
12:50 Hasan, I am coming to you.
12:51 You will have enough time.
12:52 So, this constitutional and legal point,
12:54 obviously, political parties are making their statements.
12:57 The constitution and law have their own opinion.
12:59 The opposition has its own opinion.
13:01 One is Mr. Zubair's opinion,
13:03 and the other is Mr. Azam Nazir Tariq's opinion.
13:06 What is your take on this,
13:07 considering this entire political imbroglio
13:10 that is being created in front of us.
13:11 There is a state of confusion,
13:13 there is a serious fight.
13:17 Mr. Guman, first of all, we will talk on the basis of logic.
13:23 On the basis of law, those who understand the law,
13:26 those who are institutions, they are talking.
13:28 We will talk on the basis of logic.
13:30 We will consider for a moment
13:33 that the Pakistan Sunni Council has received
13:36 the special seats of the National Assembly.
13:40 Now, you see, those reserved seats,
13:42 how many do they get on the basis of their number of votes,
13:44 on the basis of their number of MLA's?
13:47 And after that,
13:49 which unity or which group has the majority
13:52 in the National Assembly to form a government?
13:54 So, it is very clear whose majority it is.
13:56 Up to 206,
13:58 the Muslim League Noon and Pakistan People's Party,
14:00 and possibly the Muhtadha Qaumi Movement,
14:03 that majority has gone up to there.
14:05 So, to form a government.
14:07 Now, the thing is that this notification
14:09 happens after 2, 4, 5, 6, 8, maybe 10 days,
14:12 no matter what the decision is.
14:14 And all these 20, 25 special seats,
14:17 the members of the Sunni Council,
14:19 they come to the Assembly,
14:21 they will take a oath.
14:23 This is a straightforward answer
14:24 to make the common people of Pakistan understand.
14:26 There is no difference in forming a government
14:28 in the National Assembly.
14:30 Now, let's look at this in a different way.
14:32 There is a lot of pressure on President Arif Alvi.
14:35 A lot of pressure.
14:37 Whose?
14:38 Pakistan's Justice Movement.
14:41 Why?
14:42 Because the expectations they had from President Arif Alvi
14:45 for the last two years,
14:47 they did not fulfill any of them.
14:49 Now, they want to come at the end,
14:51 cut off the fingers,
14:52 and make names in the martyrs,
14:54 making it controversial.
14:55 And that too, for a few days.
14:57 You yourself said in your intro,
14:58 that in 2-4 days,
14:59 it will be decided anyway.
15:01 That too, for a few days.
15:02 Obviously, in the constitution,
15:04 there is a complete explanation for this.
15:06 If the President does not want to call a meeting,
15:08 then how will the meeting be held?
15:10 They want to cut off the fingers for a few days
15:11 and make names in the martyrs.
15:13 Now, who is President Arif Alvi?
15:14 It is very important for the nation to know this.
15:16 Whatever his character was in the last two years,
15:18 the way he tried to completely harm the democracy,
15:22 this is in front of everyone.
15:23 Pakistan's Justice Movement brought him.
15:25 Absolutely right.
15:26 But as a president,
15:27 it was his legal responsibility.
15:29 And he had to fulfill those legal responsibilities
15:31 while remaining in that law.
15:33 He did not have to do that,
15:34 I do not agree and I agree.
15:36 Now, President Arif Alvi is my neighbor.
15:38 He lives very close in Karachi.
15:39 His house is a camp office in Karachi.
15:42 Now, there are 17 security vehicles here
15:45 and 4 vehicles of protocol.
15:47 Who lives inside?
15:48 Khansama, guard, cleaner,
15:51 his children live in Islamabad.
15:53 We will talk about this.
15:54 Mr. Nagbee, I hope they are drinking water
15:56 like you are drinking water.
15:57 You are saying that no one gets water there.
15:59 Everyone has been drinking water
16:01 for the last 30-40 years in Karachi.
16:03 Hassan, your view on this.
16:05 This is the solution to this situation.
16:07 If the Election Commission had notified,
16:09 if they had said yes or no,
16:11 then the problem would have been solved.
16:12 Because eventually,
16:13 you must remember that the President of Pakistan,
16:15 Supreme Court had also said that
16:16 we should consult with each other
16:18 and find a solution to this.
16:19 Why are you making this a problem?
16:20 So, you are the one who is responsible for the Election Commission.
16:23 Either say no or say yes.
16:24 This is a long-standing issue.
16:26 No, we are talking about the meeting.
16:29 First of all, the role of the President of Pakistan
16:31 is about the meeting.
16:33 No, the notification of the CQO
16:34 is saying that the notification is not happening.
16:36 You are talking about the education of the President.
16:38 I am not saying that I will talk.
16:40 You will understand and the viewers will understand.
16:42 I am explaining it this way.
16:44 Trust me, let me finish my point of view.
16:46 If you don't understand the whole question,
16:47 then you won't understand.
16:48 I am saying this.
16:49 I understand your question.
16:50 I understand the question.
16:51 Because the House is incomplete,
16:52 the Election Commission did not notify the CQO.
16:55 Therefore, until the Election Commission notifies,
16:57 the House will not be complete.
16:59 I cannot call this meeting.
17:01 So, basically, this is the argument.
17:03 You talk about this.
17:04 Please.
17:05 Now, can I talk?
17:07 Go ahead.
17:08 Constitution is the President of Pakistan's obligation
17:10 to call this meeting.
17:12 This is what the INA Pakistan says.
17:14 Article 91, Sheikh No. 2,
17:16 according to which this matter is.
17:18 Mr. Zubairi was saying that
17:20 the House assembly is not complete.
17:22 So, when you talk about the law and the constitution,
17:24 the assembly is incomplete,
17:26 the National Assembly is incomplete.
17:27 What is written in the Constitution and the law?
17:29 Is it written in the Constitution and the law?
17:30 No, it is not written.
17:31 Now, let's come to the next point.
17:32 The matter that Azhar Farooq was saying,
17:35 that the Speaker of the National Assembly
17:37 has summoned the National Assembly
17:39 for the 29th by holding this lengthy meeting.
17:43 I don't think that the Speaker of the National Assembly
17:46 has the power to call the meeting today,
17:48 which is the 26th.
17:51 The mandate of 28th,
17:54 the Swabh Deed and the INA Pakistan,
17:57 this power is given to only one person,
17:59 and that is the President of Pakistan.
18:01 If the President of Pakistan wants,
18:03 he can call for this meeting tomorrow,
18:05 and if the President of Pakistan wants,
18:07 he can call for this meeting on the 28th
18:09 for the 29th.
18:11 But yes, if he does not call for it by the 28th,
18:14 then on the 29th,
18:16 the Speaker of the National Assembly
18:18 will be completely disqualified
18:20 because the Constitution will find its own way
18:23 and then this meeting will be called.
18:25 This is my point of view.
18:27 Yes, okay.
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19:50 So, consolidation of result election act 2017. on receipt of documents under subsection 8, the commission shall within 14 days from the date of the poll publish the documents on its website. Right.
20:08 after that, viewers, we have a big letter in front of you, it has also come in the news but it has not been reviewed much
20:14 this letter was written by the election commission on 5 February, i.e. the election commissioners from all four provinces
20:22 Mr. Nagpi, you also look at it carefully, in this it is written that all the election commissioners, Farm 45, 46, 47, 48, 49
20:32 we have to upload all of them, according to election act 2017, we have to do this within 14 days
20:39 this is very important, we have to put an enlarged copy of them
20:42 and we did the same practice during the 2018 elections
20:47 and during the 2018 elections, within 14 days, these Farm 45 were uploaded
20:52 Mr. Zubairi, this cherry picking is very big in our country, obviously
20:58 at that time, when the two assemblies, this is a common opinion, it is a very common sense thing
21:03 Mr. Nagpi has said, it is a very clear thing
21:07 that the common people understood this and we know that if a leader of the house dissolves the assembly
21:12 then within 90 days, he has to get him elected, the rules are very clear
21:17 105, 224, all
21:19 but after that, the hand came out, obviously the election commission said that the election act allows us
21:25 so Mr. Zubairi, the election act says that within 14 days, you have to upload Farm 45
21:32 this is a basic document of a candidate's credibility that he has won the election
21:38 till now, Farm 45 has not been uploaded
21:41 so Mr. Zubairi, what will be the solution to this big question mark?
21:45 I mean, we will also say that since you have to move forward, so let it be
21:50 see, first of all, let me clear one thing, the first thing that was being discussed with you
21:54 Article 91, sub clause 2 is clear
21:57 that the session of the National Assembly has to be in 21 days
22:01 the president has to not be summoned, he can't do it, there is no need to summon, it will be automatic
22:06 within 21 days, if it has to be done before 21 days, then the president will summon, this is written
22:11 there is no restriction on the president that in 21 days, the National Assembly will be found as it is
22:16 under the constitution
22:17 the point was that whether the National Assembly is complete or not
22:20 to say that the president has to be summoned, yes, if the president wants to be summoned today or before 21 days
22:24 then it is his responsibility, it is written, unless sooner summoned by the president
22:29 so the president will be found in 21 days, if he doesn't do it, then he will be found in 21 days
22:34 but which assembly has to be found, it is a complete assembly, it is defined in Article 51
22:38 you were saying that it is not written anywhere, so you can see Article 51, which is written clearly
22:43 that what is the meaning of National Assembly
22:45 the house, what is the house, first you take the oath, then the election of the deputy speaker
22:53 after that the prime minister will be called, this is given in the constitution
22:56 and without oaths, you are not a member of the parliament, it is a must to take oath
23:01 you can see Article 65 of the constitution, so this is the matter, second thing
23:05 see, the whole fight is about Form 45, from Form 45, all the petitions, the election petitions
23:11 all of them were rejected by a lot of people, there people brought Form 45
23:15 and said that you had to give the provisional result by 2 pm, you didn't give that
23:20 then you have been given different parameters that you have to do this and that in 14 days
23:25 Form 45 was not given because the whole fight is that the result in Form 47 is different from that
23:30 now people brought their Form 45, presented it to the election commission
23:33 the election commissioners who were sitting there and were deciding the cases
23:36 they rejected everyone that this is a disputed question, we don't believe that you can go to the election tribunal
23:41 and file a case for 5 years, the whole fight in this country is that the contradiction in Form 47
23:46 then Form 48, 49, people were not called here, there was no consolidation in front of them
23:52 there was no consolidation in front of their agents, this was a very serious matter
23:55 now these issues, the election commissioners, from one order, from two line orders
23:59 we are rejecting these petitions, go to the election tribunal, the case will go on for 5 years
24:05 the first issue is to decide why these canonics are not being held
24:07 Mr. Zubairi, obviously this is the case, the election tribunals have been formed, it will come in front of them
24:11 viewers, we have to go to the check, Mr. Zubairi, thank you very much for giving time
24:15 viewers, the legal and legal disputes in Pakistan, keeping them in front, games have been played in the past
24:21 the hope is that the conclusion that we are talking about, we are applying common sense and moving forward
24:26 we are going towards the break, after the break, today in Punjab and Sindh, obviously new records have been made
24:32 let's see where the issues go, stay with us
24:35 welcome back viewers, till now Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan assembly, their meetings, when will they be held, we don't know
24:47 hope that soon the transition period will start
24:53 in Sindh and Balochistan, sorry in Punjab, these issues have been settled happily
24:58 today in Sindh, Mr. Murad Ali Shah has got 112 votes, compared to him, the MQM candidates got 36 votes
25:07 therefore, Mr. Murad Ali Shah has taken over the power, now he is the chief minister of Sindh, obviously, he will be present for the next 5 years
25:15 Mr. Naqvi, I come to you, this is the third time, rather the 12th time, Mr. Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has trusted Mr. Murad Ali Shah
25:25 what is the special reason behind that in your opinion?
25:28 see, Mr. Murad Ali Shah is obviously an important leader of Pakistan People's Party
25:35 Mr. Bilawal Bhutto has been working with him for the last 5 years, before that he was working for 3 years
25:40 since Mr. Bilawal Bhutto became active in politics, Mr. Murad Ali Shah is the chief minister of Sindh
25:45 and his working understanding will be good with him, Mr. Murad Ali Shah is a smart, educated political leader
25:51 he has experience in running the government, but when you asked this question, I would like to say one thing
25:56 whether it is Mr. Murad Ali Shah or Maryam Nawaz Sharif Sahiba, today Mr. Murad Ali Shah and Maryam Sahiba also gave a speech
26:03 they made their future plans clear, but there is one area where no one talks about
26:11 and that is the biggest responsibility of the government, whether it is a government of loyalty or government of subordination
26:18 and that is bureaucracy, bureaucracy is the same, they are the same officers, whether you change the minister or the prime minister, the bureaucracy is the same
26:27 and the real work is done by the bureaucracy, the prime minister or the minister doesn't do the work
26:32 the minister is a final decision authority, the work is done by the bureaucracy
26:36 the real work is done by the bureaucracy and in that bureaucracy, it is very important to prevail this thing, it is very important to prevail this sense
26:45 it is very important to prevail this sense of responsibility, that they will have to show performance
26:51 whether it is Sindh, Punjab, Markaz, KP, Balochistan
26:55 we are watching the bureaucracy closely, what will you suggest in Sindh?
27:00 what new unique idea should Mr. Murad Ali Shah take to work in bureaucracy?
27:06 Mr. Murad Ali Shah will have to do the most important work as the minister of Sindh
27:10 Sindh is presented in a different way in the whole of Pakistan, in terms of work, in terms of efficiency
27:16 because the perception management of the Sindh government of the Pakistan People's Party, a lot of work needs to be done on that
27:22 and Mr. Murad Ali Shah will have to pay special attention to this, because a lot of work has been done in Sindh
27:27 but that work is not shown or told, although I will tell you, allow me to say this, the Sindh government is the only government in Pakistan, the only government in the government of the government of the government
27:36 which supports the media the most, I remember in 2020 when Corona came, after that Imran Khan refused to accept Corona
27:45 and the media institutions were in a severe financial crisis, so this was the Sindh government of the Pakistan People's Party
27:50 which took a step and supported all the media houses out of the way, so it is very important to work on perception management
27:59 Mr. Murad Ali Shah, if you don't work on perception management in the whole of Pakistan, then...
28:04 That's right, let's go to Mr. Hassan, but Mr. Nagvi, just for the correction of the facts, few facts, Pakistan is the only country in all of the world
28:10 we are counted in 2-3 countries in Pakistan where Corona management was the best, of course, the Pakistan army, the civilian government of Pakistan worked together
28:19 and our model is praised all over the world, let's move forward Mr. Hassan Ayyub, we are present in Lahore, the opposition has been lifted
28:25 Mr. Ayyub has also put a long agenda, when he was elected in the Punjab Assembly, he got 220 votes, the audience, in his face,
28:34 Sunni hand council boycotted him, or he was removed, his zero vote is also unprecedented, obviously in the history of Pakistan
28:43 this record has been made, in the history of Punjab this record has been made that a woman who has become the Prime Minister, but she has a legacy
28:49 of her father, as the Chief Minister of her uncle, her cousin, so she has a lot of experience, what are you seeing, Hassan, in Pakistan,
28:59 you are from Punjab, I am from Punjab, the current situation of Punjab is not in front of you, I would like to say one thing, we will clean up Punjab,
29:08 the piles of garbage, I would really appreciate if all this garbage is cleaned up, which is present in various villages and streets of Pakistan,
29:16 I would like to say this, I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage, I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:22 I am saying that you should clean up the garbage, I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:26 I am saying that you should clean up the garbage, I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:30 I am saying that you should clean up the garbage, I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:34 I am saying that you should clean up the garbage, I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:36 I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:38 I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:40 I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:42 I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:44 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage, I am saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:46 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:48 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:50 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:52 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:54 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
29:56 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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30:00 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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30:06 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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30:10 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:12 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:14 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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30:20 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:22 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:24 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:26 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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30:30 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:32 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:34 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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30:38 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:40 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:42 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:44 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:46 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:48 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:50 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:52 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:54 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:56 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
30:58 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:00 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:02 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:04 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:06 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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31:10 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:12 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:14 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:16 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:18 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:20 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:22 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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31:26 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
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31:30 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:32 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:34 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:36 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:38 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:40 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:42 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:44 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:46 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:48 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:50 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:52 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:54 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:56 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
31:58 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
32:00 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
32:02 I am not saying that you should clean up the garbage,
32:04 There is a very popular debate in Punjab Sabli,
32:06 people keep asking each other that are you MP of 8th February or 9th February,
32:10 do you agree with this?
32:12 This is also a fact, some are of 8th February, some are of 9th February,
32:15 I am sure, I have seen things,
32:18 people have pushed their favourite people back and forth,
32:22 it is the bad luck of this Pakistan.
32:25 Respected Shahid Haqan Abbasi has one more statement regarding Farm 47 and 45.
32:32 Farm 47 has always won, it has been winning since the time of Fatima Jinnah,
32:38 Farm 45 was with Fatima Jinnah, Farm 47 was with Yu Khan,
32:42 so they won, now let's talk about the future.
32:47 Mr. Naqvi, we have 2 minutes left, your time starts now,
32:53 what is your suggestion on the solution of Farm 47 and 45?
32:58 The solution is with the courts,
33:04 who are we to suggest the solution?
33:06 This is the job of the courts, Farm 45 and 47,
33:09 but let's talk about some logic, I will quickly finish this,
33:13 that whatever be the Farm 45, 47 or 48, these decisions will be made by the courts,
33:18 and let the courts decide,
33:20 even today a decision has come from Sindhi court,
33:22 Barrister Shabbir Shah has taken a stay in 4 PPP National Assembly seats,
33:28 he has finished that,
33:30 and Sindhi had a seat of 122nd Assembly,
33:32 he has finished that, so let the courts decide,
33:34 I want to talk about what Mr. Shahid Haqan Abbasi said,
33:36 the statement that Mr. Shahid Haqan Abbasi has given today,
33:40 that those who won are ashamed,
33:42 I wish he had given in 1997,
33:44 when he came to the Assembly and became the Minister of Aviation,
33:47 I wish he had given such a statement in 1997,
33:49 today when he is on the sidelines, he remembers these things very well,
33:52 the one who loses gives such statements,
33:54 Mr. Javed Mithib gives such statements to the losers,
33:56 Mr. Hassan Ayub, this matter is about the law and the constitution,
33:59 earlier the Election Commission used to say that the Election Act sets us free,
34:03 we are not subject to anything,
34:05 now the same Election Act says, for God's sake,
34:07 upload Farm 45, so do it,
34:09 what is the matter, you have it, I have it,
34:11 all the candidates who are coming for the elections,
34:15 everyone has it, what is the problem?
34:17 Sir, the time is very short,
34:19 the first thing is that according to the information,
34:21 Mr. Abdul Rehman Kanjus has won in recounting today,
34:23 so he will be the 26th of February,
34:25 he will be the 26th of February,
34:27 we were talking about 8th and 9th of February,
34:29 many of the people who are coming from the last will also be coming,
34:31 so now it is a matter of the courts,
34:33 it is a matter of Haider Naqvi,
34:35 that the one who has Farm 45,
34:37 is it real or fake,
34:39 I don't have to determine this,
34:41 the Election Commission can do this,
34:43 then if there is evidence on it,
34:45 the Election Commission has made the result
34:47 according to its own Farm 45,
34:49 according to the Farm 45 of ARO,
34:51 you are disputing,
34:53 so you will go to the court for it,
34:55 you will go to the tribunal,
34:57 so this is the way forward,
34:59 you are a creature from the sky,
35:01 that this is an independent,
35:03 this is the result of the elections,
35:05 it was delayed,
35:07 because of that all these matters,
35:09 it was the responsibility of the Election Commission,
35:11 that's all for today,

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