Should Sunni Ittehad Council get specific seats or not?
Should Sunni Ittehad Council get specific seats or not?
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00:00 Free and Fair Election Network Chairperson, Ms. Musarrat Karim is with us.
00:06 Before we talk to her, I would like to take a quick comment from Mr. Naqvi.
00:11 Mr. Naqvi, please tell us, the situation that you are seeing,
00:15 if you hide behind the legal and legal investigations,
00:18 then you will find a solution.
00:20 Mr. Allah, they fought the election like this, the party had seats, they didn't.
00:24 You know, I know, and the whole of Pakistan knows,
00:27 that this vote was for the free people,
00:30 whether it was good or bad, it was for justice.
00:33 The PTI, the one in jail, has an opinion.
00:36 So what is their argument, why aren't they getting seats?
00:39 And our democracy, a big political party, especially the Pakistan People's Party,
00:43 they are saying that these seats are ours.
00:46 What is your opinion on this?
00:48 Look, I have not been talking about the law since day one.
00:52 I am talking about morality.
00:54 And on the basis of morality, these seats should be given to the free people of Pakistan.
01:00 And the Pakistan People's Party should show great love in this,
01:03 that they withdraw from any such demand.
01:06 Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is a very big-hearted politician.
01:09 The kind of campaign he ran before the election,
01:12 the way he invited the workers of Pakistan Tehrik-e-Insaf,
01:15 I will request him and I will also request the leaders of other political parties,
01:19 for God's sake, put the foundation of morality.
01:22 Let the decisions be made on the basis of morality.
01:25 Pakistan is a free member of Tehrik-e-Insaf.
01:28 Let them get these seats. You have already made a government.
01:31 You have reached the number 206.
01:33 Tehrik-e-Insaf, or Azad Arqan, or Sunni Council, cannot bypass you now.
01:38 For God's sake, let this movement run on the basis of morality.
01:43 Let it be.
01:44 By the way, Mr. Nagveer, may Allah make it so,
01:47 but you know that in Pakistan, in politics, morality is very much a loss.
01:52 The strange thing is that when the Sunni Ijtihad went to the elections as a Jamaat,
01:57 how many percent did it get votes?
01:59 People came later and joined.
02:01 Many people have joined Mustafa Iqnawaz too.
02:03 So now they won't get that many votes.
02:05 The Sunni Ijtihad, the Sunni Ijtihad Council, has taken so many votes.
02:09 I think they didn't even get 2% votes.
02:12 When they didn't even get 2% votes,
02:14 how can they claim that they got the seats,
02:17 when they didn't even get their own list.
02:21 When they didn't even get their own list,
02:24 if even one seat is for women...
02:26 - There is an example on this.
02:27 - No, you are talking about the Baap Party,
02:30 or the Fatah administration.
02:32 That is a different situation.
02:34 That situation emerged after the constitutional amendment.
02:37 - You should not have it in your eyes.
02:39 - No, you tell me that the Sunni Ijtihad,
02:42 the elections of 2024,
02:44 how many percent did they get votes?
02:46 - The constitution and the law...
02:48 - They didn't even get 1% votes.
02:50 - I want to know your opinion.
02:52 - In my opinion,
02:54 all these seats,
02:56 the decision that will be made today,
02:58 will be the same for the future.
03:00 - I want to know your opinion.
03:02 - I am saying this, I am talking.
03:04 When the arguments will be presented in length,
03:06 the one whose arguments are better,
03:08 will be the one to decide the election.
03:10 - My assessment is that they should not get it.
03:12 - No, they will not get it.
03:14 - They should get it or not, it is a different issue.
03:16 - Sunni Ijtihad will get it.
03:18 - No, they will not get it.
03:20 - I wanted to know this.
03:22 - Sorry, Mr. Musharraf,
03:24 there was a technical problem.
03:26 You heard the whole debate.
03:28 The forum is open for you.
03:30 Comment on it.
03:32 How should the solution be?
03:34 - A gentleman said something very good before me.
03:36 - Haider Makhri?
03:38 - Yes.
03:40 Democracy is the name of accommodation,
03:42 compromise,
03:44 and acceptance of each other.
03:46 When he said that 206 seats
03:48 have already been given to him,
03:50 and if we look at the legal method,
03:52 there are two points in this.
03:54 One is the legal method after the 2017 Act,
03:56 in which they had to make a list,
03:58 a priority list,
04:00 and submit it.
04:02 The other is the legal method
04:04 after the 2017 Act,
04:06 in which they had to make a list,
04:08 a priority list,
04:10 and submit it.
04:12 But if we look at the technicality,
04:14 it was a requirement
04:16 that the priority list
04:18 should be submitted
04:20 before the election
04:22 for the candidates' reserve seats.
04:24 But I think that the new scenario
04:26 is that a new parliamentary party
04:28 has emerged in the Assembly,
04:30 whereas the Sikh party
04:32 has become a socialist party.
04:34 When all the independent candidates
04:36 of the PDI have been elected
04:38 with the support of the Sunni Ijtihad Council,
04:40 that means that the new parliamentary party
04:42 has emerged in the Parliament.
04:44 So, naturally,
04:46 they should get the seats
04:48 in proportion to the number of seats
04:50 and according to that,
04:52 they should get the reserve seats.
04:54 But if we go back to the legal method,
04:56 they have prioritised the reserve seats
04:58 and the seats in the parliament
05:00 and the seats in the parliament
05:02 are not in the priority list.
05:04 So, they have taken a stance
05:06 by two political parties
05:08 that they will not get the seats.
05:10 The same thing happens
05:12 when it comes to morality, ethics.
05:14 But, Musaleh Sahab,
05:16 you know that there is an example
05:18 of a bi-party.
05:20 We were talking to Kamal Dilshad
05:22 the other day and he also explained it.
05:24 But a common sense question
05:26 that arises is that
05:28 the vote is in the hands
05:30 of the political party
05:32 and the people who support them.
05:34 The proportional representation
05:36 for them is basically
05:38 in common sense,
05:40 that the right is theirs.
05:42 If we go to the laws on the constitution,
05:44 especially the election act of 2017,
05:46 you know that the subclass 10
05:48 of the election act of 1994,
05:50 the form 45 has not been uploaded yet.
05:52 It should have been done in 14 days.
05:54 So, it is not something
05:56 that a constitutional
05:58 amendment can be done.
06:00 Yes?
06:02 I am also saying that
06:04 a lot of things are not happening
06:06 according to the constitution
06:08 and the act.
06:10 The only thing that is being brought
06:12 is the act, which is a party matter.
06:14 The party was in Balochistan
06:16 and the members were in Pakistan.
06:18 So, these things are there.
06:20 But, in that act,
06:22 it is clearly stated
06:24 that the priority list will be given first.
06:26 But, I am saying to you that
06:28 the scenario has changed.
06:30 A new parliamentary party
06:32 has emerged.
06:34 And, after that,
06:36 according to their votes,
06:38 according to their
06:40 proportionate seats,
06:42 they should get reserved seats.
06:44 We are talking about
06:46 something that the act
06:48 does not accept.
06:50 But, as you said,
06:52 the election commission should have
06:54 given the results.
06:56 They have not been on time.
06:58 The election has been over
07:00 14 days.
07:02 The ECP has not allocated
07:04 the deadline yet.
07:06 A lot of things have happened
07:08 that raise questions
07:10 regarding this election
07:12 and the current process.
07:14 So, I feel that
07:16 if
07:18 a very difficult
07:20 situation arises,
07:22 then ultimately,
07:24 the parties who want
07:26 to get reserved seats
07:28 will have to go to the court.
07:30 So, this is one way.
07:32 Overall, it seems that
07:34 these matters will be discussed in the court.
07:36 Yes, in the court.
07:38 Mr. Musain, before going,
07:40 please answer one last question.
07:42 Obviously, there is a dispute
07:44 regarding calling the Senate of the National Assembly.
07:46 The speaker will speak.
07:48 The President of Pakistan
07:50 will speak about the current
07:52 session.
07:54 What is the assessment of Fafan?
07:56 The President
07:58 is supposed to be
08:00 inviting the session
08:02 in the specified
08:04 21 days
08:06 after the elections are held.
08:08 The President
08:10 has not been
08:12 invited.
08:14 Naturally, if he did not agree,
08:16 he should have called.
08:18 But if he has not done so,
08:20 then the Constitution
08:22 says that within 21 days,
08:24 the speaker can be invited
08:26 and the session can be held.
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