Whilst it was a film that saw a critical slaughtering at the time of its release – it currently holds a 3% rating on Rotten Tomatoes and is oft-considered now one of the worst films ever made – there’s no denying that WINNIE-THE-POOH: BLOOD AND HONEY, a low budget horror recount of A.A. Milne’s classic creations, rode the wave of curiosity and controversy to its own benefit. With a $5.2 million dollar haul, it made 50 times its production budget, paving the way for a universe of horrific adaptations of some of literature’s most popular characters.
But before the recently dubbed “Poohniverse” assembles for all to see, director Rhys Frake-Waterfield and new Christopher Robin, Scott Chambers, are unleashing a second serving of blood and honey in the much-talked about sequel, WINNIE-THE-POOH: BLOOD AND HONEY II.
Deep within the 100-Acre-Wood, a destructive rage grows as Winnie-the-Pooh, Piglet, Owl, and Tigger find their home and their lives endangered after Christopher Robin revealed their existence. Not wanting to live in the shadows any longer, the group decides to take the fight to the town of Ashdown, home of Christopher Robin, leaving a bloody trail of death and mayhem in their wake. Winnie and his savage friends will show everyone that they are deadlier, stronger, and smarter than anyone could ever imagine and get their revenge on Christopher Robin, once and for all.
As the film arrives in theatres this week, Peter Gray spoke with the duo about navigating the first film’s divisive reaction, what we can expect from them going forward, and, of course, the joy of unleashing gore on screen.
But before the recently dubbed “Poohniverse” assembles for all to see, director Rhys Frake-Waterfield and new Christopher Robin, Scott Chambers, are unleashing a second serving of blood and honey in the much-talked about sequel, WINNIE-THE-POOH: BLOOD AND HONEY II.
Deep within the 100-Acre-Wood, a destructive rage grows as Winnie-the-Pooh, Piglet, Owl, and Tigger find their home and their lives endangered after Christopher Robin revealed their existence. Not wanting to live in the shadows any longer, the group decides to take the fight to the town of Ashdown, home of Christopher Robin, leaving a bloody trail of death and mayhem in their wake. Winnie and his savage friends will show everyone that they are deadlier, stronger, and smarter than anyone could ever imagine and get their revenge on Christopher Robin, once and for all.
As the film arrives in theatres this week, Peter Gray spoke with the duo about navigating the first film’s divisive reaction, what we can expect from them going forward, and, of course, the joy of unleashing gore on screen.
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00:00 - Hello Scott, hello Reece.
00:03 - Hello Peter, how are you?
00:05 - Very well, thank you.
00:06 Is it morning, afternoon, night there?
00:09 I'm not sure.
00:11 - It's night for us.
00:12 It's like nine, five past nine.
00:14 - Okay, cool.
00:16 So I mean, I'm in the future,
00:17 so I'm gonna say you're gonna have a good night
00:19 and a good morning.
00:19 We'll go that far.
00:20 I'll say first of all to you Reece,
00:26 obviously congratulations on the success
00:27 of the original film.
00:29 Like were you expecting that reaction?
00:33 - To the first film?
00:36 So in terms of the scale it went to, no.
00:39 When it was made, we kind of,
00:42 we had a conveyor belt of projects going at the time.
00:45 And I was still quite early in my career then.
00:48 I'd like directed recently
00:50 and I was just going full steam ahead.
00:52 I thought it was a really good idea.
00:53 So I thought I wanted to direct it
00:54 and make it as good as possible.
00:55 Then it blew up and went absolutely mad.
00:58 And I remember thinking,
00:59 well shit, everyone's gonna see this film now.
01:01 So what do I do?
01:04 And then it was made on very, very little money.
01:09 Like the first one was only like,
01:11 the principal photography is only 20K.
01:12 Then obviously it was hugely commercially successful,
01:15 which was amazing.
01:17 And then that opened the doors to a sequel
01:19 of a significantly higher budget.
01:22 And then that let me kind of essentially start again
01:26 and think, okay, well, if now I've got more time
01:28 and I've got more resources,
01:29 what do I actually want to do with this concept?
01:33 And hence why there's been so many changes.
01:35 - Yeah.
01:36 And Scott, coming into this one,
01:37 have you already seen the first film
01:39 or did you need to watch it
01:41 realising you're gonna play this character?
01:43 - Yeah, so I actually produced the first film with Reece.
01:48 So obviously I was very much along that journey with him.
01:52 So when he said to me, I'm gonna redo,
01:56 well, I'm gonna start again, basically.
01:58 And I'm gonna make the first film,
02:00 a film within the second movie
02:02 so he could redo the characters, looks,
02:04 and recast all this kind of stuff.
02:07 I said, yeah, it's cool.
02:08 And then he was like, do you wanna do Christopher Robin?
02:10 Because he's been along there,
02:12 along my acting career with me.
02:13 And he's always been supportive and stuff.
02:15 And he said, would you like to play Christopher?
02:17 And I was a bit intimidated
02:19 just because of the mixed reception the first one got.
02:24 And I do feel bad for those involved
02:27 because I don't think anyone was expecting that to happen.
02:30 They all thought it was just gonna go on Amazon Prime
02:32 or something like that.
02:33 And then it blew up
02:34 and then everyone's getting judged in so many ways.
02:37 And I think I was mostly intimidated
02:40 'cause how hard you try, it doesn't matter.
02:43 I feel like being an actor,
02:45 the face of Christopher Robin in Winnie the Pooh
02:48 is a horror people are gonna wanna drag me down
02:50 and say nasty things.
02:52 And I think that is something
02:52 that I was really nervous about
02:54 because you gotta have a really thick skin and stuff.
02:57 And with my acting, I'm very like,
03:00 I've never experienced this.
03:01 I just didn't know how I was gonna handle it.
03:04 But I didn't really take note
03:05 of what the performer in the first film did.
03:08 I just did my own thing.
03:10 And I kind of thought, like he starts in a place,
03:14 this massacre happened to him a year ago.
03:16 And how do you play a character?
03:18 Likeable still, 'cause he's in so much of the movie
03:21 and you don't wanna see someone
03:22 that's just constantly down and out,
03:24 having a mental breakdown.
03:25 I was like, give him hope,
03:27 let him smile whenever possible
03:29 and just try and bring vulnerability
03:30 and a truth to it really,
03:32 because there's certain points in the film
03:34 where you really need to use your imagination
03:36 because it goes so wild
03:38 and there's nothing quite relatable in real life.
03:41 So yeah, that was my approach.
03:44 - Yeah, and like, I am a horror fan
03:48 and I've been fortunate to speak to a lot of genre stars
03:52 and filmmakers and I always love knowing
03:54 what the gateway movie into the genre was.
03:58 So like for both of you,
03:59 was which horror movie was it
04:00 that like got you interested in the genre?
04:03 - So mine is definitely "Scream" with Arundel.
04:08 When I was six years old,
04:10 it was put on, my sister was babysitting me.
04:12 She put it on and they covered my eyes
04:15 every time someone died.
04:16 And they said like, you know,
04:17 with Rose McGowan, when she got her head in the garage,
04:19 they were like, she jumped down
04:20 and she ran off into the woods.
04:21 So I was like, oh, okay, oh, cool.
04:23 I was like six.
04:24 And then for my seventh birthday,
04:25 I'd been going on about how much I liked it.
04:27 And my brother bought me the video for it.
04:30 And I went upstairs pretty much that night of my birthday
04:33 and I watched it on my own.
04:34 And I'm actually seeing Drew Barrymore
04:36 getting stabbed in the throat.
04:38 And you know, Rose actually getting her head crushed
04:40 and I'm like, oh my God.
04:42 And I was so scared, couldn't sleep that night.
04:45 And my mom was like, to my brother,
04:46 get in his bedroom and explain to him what film is.
04:49 And there, that's why I wanted to become a filmmaker.
04:53 - Nice.
04:54 And Rhys?
04:55 - I'd probably say like either "Chucky"
04:59 or "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," but only the 2003 one.
05:02 I remember when I was a kid,
05:05 they were the ones which we put on.
05:07 And I loved both of them for different reasons.
05:10 But like the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," like 2003 one,
05:13 I loved that as a kid.
05:15 I actually didn't like the 1978 one or whenever it was.
05:19 For me as a kid, I was like too old.
05:21 Like this one's like newer and cooler.
05:24 And I loved all that.
05:25 And I found him really scary.
05:27 And I honestly thought he was real
05:28 'cause it was marketed all about it being a,
05:32 yeah, like a true story.
05:33 - True story.
05:34 - Yeah, and even though I was in the UK,
05:36 I was like, I was shitting it
05:37 that he was gonna like get on a plane.
05:40 And he would be down my street or something soon.
05:43 Like this absolute monster.
05:46 So I love that as a kid.
05:47 And also "Chucky," I've got this like love
05:51 for like the B-movie, like horror comedy side of it.
05:56 So that's why I was kind of,
05:58 I gravitated towards that as well.
06:00 - Yeah, I mean, and then going off that,
06:02 like the first round of kills in this movie is insane.
06:08 Like I was just like, yes, like killing.
06:11 I was like, it's just like,
06:13 and like the physical, like as there's so much
06:15 like physical effects, practical effects in it,
06:18 but like just watching these, you know, the girls,
06:21 I was just like, like, it's horrific,
06:23 but someone who loves gore, I was like, this is great.
06:28 And then obviously, like there's like the Raver massacre.
06:33 Like is Matt Leslie, like, is he presenting these
06:38 to you as is, or is there a lot of collaboration
06:41 as to like, this is how we're gonna kill this girl.
06:44 We're gonna like break both of her arms
06:45 and put her head in a bear trap.
06:47 Like how, like how does it all come about?
06:50 Because I'm just like fascinated by knowing
06:52 when people, when movies have really elaborate death scenes,
06:55 like where that comes from.
06:58 - I would say in terms of the death scenes,
07:00 like me and Scott, because we love,
07:02 this is the horror we gravitate towards.
07:04 And we love like, you know, the slashers like Jason,
07:09 Freddie and all of these.
07:09 So we're thinking a lot about these kills.
07:12 So those girls getting absolutely massacred,
07:15 I think me and Scott were thinking about that
07:17 in a pool somewhere.
07:19 And we were just sitting in a pool,
07:20 just thinking about how they can get brutalized.
07:22 And I just thought this really weird imagery here
07:25 about her being on the floor,
07:27 like with all of her arms broken, her legs broken
07:30 and a bear trap right underneath.
07:31 I thought there's something really like fun about that.
07:34 As horrible as that sounds, like it's quite fun.
07:37 And also it's meant to be self-aware that bit.
07:42 Like ultimately, before you go into that scene,
07:44 it's like, you know, Simon Callow, the narrator,
07:47 is like, there's gonna be many casualties along the way.
07:49 And then boom, then you're there and you're like,
07:50 okay, these girls are about to get messed up.
07:53 And the idea between that,
07:55 it's almost like a little bit of a bridge
07:56 between the first film and the second.
07:58 'Cause in the first film, that is basically what happened.
08:01 It was a bunch of girls who just got obliterated.
08:03 And this thing, we thought, okay,
08:04 it'd be fun to introduce these.
08:06 You think, oh, are they gonna do something
08:08 like the first film again?
08:09 And then within three minutes, like,
08:11 they get wiped out and then the main story begins.
08:14 And then the deaths become a bit more like,
08:17 they're a bit more, they're still fun,
08:20 but there's like, some of them are a bit more sinister
08:22 and a bit scarier.
08:24 Like the ones which follow up with the hunters,
08:26 like some of that's really like,
08:28 I think some of that's actually really scary,
08:30 much more so than, so it's a different kind of like,
08:33 there's a slow tonal change.
08:35 But in terms of how we worked with Matt,
08:37 which was your question,
08:39 Matt is really like, he loves going into the story.
08:45 And that's what we mostly fleshed out with him.
08:47 And then we kind of set up to start with him,
08:50 like, don't worry about the death scenes
08:51 because the death scenes,
08:53 because we're working on such a limited budget at the time.
08:57 What happens on a lot of these budgets
08:59 is you kind of improv stuff on the day.
09:02 So you get to a location, this is what happened with Tigger,
09:05 I just get to the location,
09:06 you start looking around at what you have,
09:08 you know, you've got to kill five people
09:10 in this place in the next 12 hours.
09:12 So you start thinking of what sort of scenes you can do.
09:15 So for example, in the teaser,
09:17 which announced where the girl's got her eyes plucked out
09:18 and she's crawling towards that hole,
09:20 that was all just improv on the day.
09:22 It was just like, okay, this would be really fun.
09:24 And then the other girl who's dancing on the grates
09:26 and blood's tipping down,
09:27 that was just improv on the day
09:29 because the grates were just big enough
09:31 for his fingers to fit through.
09:32 So it was like, okay, that would be really fun.
09:34 So a lot of that was just kind of on the fly
09:37 making things work well.
09:40 Some of them was pre-planned though,
09:42 like the dishwasher scene,
09:44 because that was necessary to get the really good
09:46 kind of like practical effects there.
09:48 And in order to make sure they worked well,
09:52 we got a really good company on board
09:53 called the Prosthetics Studio.
09:54 And they've worked on like Voldemort
09:57 and like Red Skull and like Captain America and stuff.
10:00 So they've done big stuff.
10:01 So we knew they'd make it look really, really awesome.
10:05 And my personal favourite is that Aaron, his face,
10:09 where he's like, I think he's seen him in the trailer
10:11 after he's had his face bone off
10:12 and they try and repair it, but they do a terrible job.
10:15 It's meant to be like that.
10:16 It's meant to be over the top and it's like a bit dramatic.
10:19 And like, I love that moment when he turns his face
10:22 and he just looks like an absolute mess.
10:25 Like this is a bit, he's overly dramatic, but it was fun.
10:28 Yeah.
10:29 - I'll ask you Scott, like, do you have a,
10:32 do you have a favourite kill,
10:34 a favourite death scene in this movie?
10:36 - Yeah. You know, it's so hard.
10:39 Cause I've got, there's just three that stick out.
10:41 I'll try and like whiz through them, but there's the girl,
10:43 yeah, the girl with the limbs and the bear trap.
10:45 I just think that's savage.
10:47 It just goes on and on and on.
10:49 And it's like this poor fucking girl.
10:52 Like, it's just like, it's just ruthless.
10:55 So I'd say her, and then the dishwasher one is just like,
10:58 that is something, basically I was developing
11:00 a Steamboat Willie film last year that I ended up,
11:02 you know, we pulled away from it.
11:04 We said we weren't going to do it in the end.
11:06 Because when you looked into the legalities of it,
11:08 it was like, it's actually not quite what you think.
11:11 But when I was looking into that, I had this idea.
11:13 I was like, what if, you know, there's a dishwasher
11:15 and a knife's pointing up and Mickey Mouse, you know,
11:19 pushes their head on it and then he starts eating
11:20 his cheese and she's dying.
11:22 Anyway, so I had that idea.
11:23 And then I'm so glad, cause I told Reece,
11:25 and I was like, please use it.
11:26 And he was like, no, I really like it.
11:27 And then Reece kind of went above and beyond to make it like
11:30 not just one knife, he was going to use a whole bloody,
11:32 you know, load of cutlery.
11:35 But yeah, I think that one, just because it's so disgusting.
11:37 And I always have this fear because I used to live
11:40 with a housemate and they used to put the knives
11:42 in upside down.
11:43 I was like, what if I tripped and what if I fell on that?
11:45 And I always thought of that.
11:46 And that's where that came from.
11:48 And then the final one, it's just because it's so fun,
11:52 but on the day it was all made up,
11:54 it's the great one that Reece is talking about.
11:55 So it's Tigger.
11:57 And there's a girl, we saw the greats and I went to Reece,
12:00 have you seen "House of Wax?"
12:01 And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
12:02 I was like, you know Paris Hilton, her foot in the great
12:04 and it gets stabbed.
12:05 I was like, what if we do that?
12:06 And then, cause I was doing costume on the job.
12:08 So I'd put the dog collar on that actress.
12:12 And I was like, what if the dog collar falls
12:14 over the balcony and Reece was like, yeah, yeah.
12:15 And he grabs it and it holds her in place
12:18 and he stabs the crap out of her.
12:20 So those three, just because one is, you know,
12:23 just goes, it's just ruthless.
12:24 One is disgusting and one is just fun.
12:27 So I can't, I can't, I love all three.
12:29 What about you?
12:30 What's your favorite one, Peter?
12:31 - And with these, just to caveat with some of these,
12:34 like off the first film,
12:37 I had like a load of like fun deaths there.
12:39 And I had a lot of people going,
12:40 oh, he's so like misogynistic,
12:42 like he hates women and stuff.
12:43 - Oh yeah.
12:44 - But it's like, people don't know, but I'm like LGBT.
12:47 So to me, it was just, it was, it was just fun.
12:51 - Yeah, yeah.
12:51 - I was just doing it because I was just,
12:53 it was coming from like a positive, fun place.
12:55 So, and that's the same with all of these,
12:56 even though a lot of the times,
12:58 just because horror films like to have like female leads,
13:02 they like to have a lot of girls in it.
13:03 It's just a bit, it's a bit tropey.
13:05 It ends up being a lot of girls who are having these like
13:07 horrible things happen to them,
13:09 but they're always up for it.
13:10 And they, they're laughing on the set as well.
13:12 So we're all having a good time.
13:13 - Yeah, no, I, like, I, I agree.
13:15 Like I'm, yeah, like I'm a, I'm a queer man.
13:17 And it's just like, there's something about women
13:21 in horror movies.
13:22 I was like, they just get better death scenes.
13:24 It's better to see them.
13:25 - I agree, yeah.
13:26 - It's better to see them scream.
13:27 Like it's not, yeah, it's not misogynistic to like,
13:30 I mean, it's not fun to watch.
13:32 Like it is fun, but it's not fun because you're like,
13:34 that if that was actually happening, that's horrible.
13:36 But watching it, you're like, yeah,
13:37 if I can break her arm and get like that,
13:40 that sort of thing.
13:42 But yeah, no, like I, I, I think if there's a horror movie,
13:45 I'm just like, I need it to, I need,
13:47 I'd prefer to watch a bunch of girls
13:50 than a bunch of guys.
13:51 And that's just because.
13:52 - Yeah, me too.
13:54 - I think the horror, it just, it, it's weird.
13:57 It treats women better, even though they're victims
14:01 so often, but yeah.
14:03 But yeah, for me, I think, yeah, like the opening one,
14:07 the bear trap, the arm, like that was just like one
14:10 that I was like, yes, like every time he grabbed her,
14:13 I was like, yep, do it again.
14:15 That's what's gonna happen.
14:17 And I did like, I did like the knives
14:19 because that just surprised me.
14:21 And then, cause I thought,
14:23 oh, that's, that's gonna keep happening.
14:26 - Yeah.
14:27 - Yeah, like I'm someone in horror movies,
14:29 I'm like the gorier, the better.
14:31 So I was like, and looking at what you,
14:33 what you guys have done here, I'm like, give you,
14:35 I was like, you would be, if I'm the destination,
14:37 you would be amazing with that.
14:39 You'd be able to like, on everything.
14:41 But you, like you were mentioning before
14:43 about the legalities and like, obviously, you know,
14:48 when these things go up, like, are you already,
14:53 I'll put this to both of you,
14:54 like, are you already planning these stories to be like,
14:58 as soon as this is public domain, we can do it?
15:02 Or do you almost like, you wait until it's public domain
15:04 and then you start, like, are you able to start filming
15:08 or able to start using it before that?
15:10 And kind of almost like in secret,
15:11 or do you have to wait until it's public domain
15:14 and then you go, okay, now we can make it?
15:16 - Yeah, there's a really tricky line with all of this
15:20 because some people have tried that.
15:21 Like, I don't know if you've seen that,
15:23 Nicky's mousetrap, which got filmed.
15:25 And we've heard from people that they are unable
15:29 to get insurance at this point.
15:31 And someone's told us and said, they can't,
15:33 you need to get this insurance to get the film released.
15:35 And we've heard it's basically impossible.
15:37 And the reason for that is it's super dodgy ground.
15:40 Like, it was really, really difficult to get it,
15:42 even for like Winnie, let alone that character.
15:46 So just because something falls into the public domain
15:50 doesn't mean it's like an easy ride
15:51 to quickly get it through,
15:53 because it can be really, really hard.
15:54 And we don't actually want to do that
15:57 because the reason we didn't go for like Winnie in the,
16:02 I mean, Steamboat Willie in the end,
16:04 is partly that we felt like, okay,
16:06 there's something happening here legally.
16:08 We also felt like there was gonna be a big,
16:10 like rat race going towards it.
16:12 And loads of people are gonna do it.
16:13 And I think there's like four films doing it now.
16:16 So it's about to just get flooded with that.
16:18 And I'm hoping for us that in this market now,
16:23 loads of people are gonna start doing it.
16:26 There's been Alice in Terrorland,
16:27 Goldilocks and the Three Bears, it's all getting flooded.
16:30 Everyone's just trying to bash these out
16:32 as quick as they can.
16:34 But we're trying to take a bit
16:35 of a different strategy with it.
16:37 So we don't wanna just be taking
16:38 every single IP we possibly can.
16:40 We wanna look at the ones which we selectively think
16:43 will make a good horror film
16:44 and then make sure the quality's there for it,
16:47 which is why I hope people see with Winnie 2.
16:51 I personally think it's a huge step up
16:53 in all areas relative to Winnie 1.
16:56 And if people like that and that gets received well,
16:59 then we're only gonna keep going with that approach.
17:02 And Winnie 3 will be budget would go up even more,
17:05 we'll get even more creative, we'll make it even bigger.
17:08 But that only happens with people's support.
17:09 We're not trying to go down a cash grabby route
17:12 of just taking every IP under the sun.
17:17 - Yeah. - Because we produced
17:18 40 films, we could have, like in one year before,
17:21 if we wanted, we could have done everything by now.
17:24 (laughing)
17:25 We could have had every IP out there possible.
17:28 But I don't think that's the best approach
17:30 for long-term success with what we're doing.
17:32 - Yeah.
17:33 I mean, and then obviously we had the note
17:35 that there's like the, and I think this is like hearing it
17:38 and saying it, like the Pooniverse,
17:41 I was like, that's just brilliant.
17:43 Like, I was like, come on.
17:44 Like, I feel like that alone
17:46 should just get everybody involved.
17:48 And like, is there a, with that,
17:51 is there one particular title,
17:54 one particular character that you're both most excited
17:57 to explore or for people to see in all of their,
18:02 you know, horrific, disgusting glory?
18:06 - So I think after, we've got three films,
18:09 which are all by different directors.
18:12 So I've been focusing on Winnie,
18:14 Scott's been doing Peter Pan,
18:15 and our friend Dallan,
18:17 who's a bit of an up and coming British director,
18:19 is focusing on Bambi.
18:21 But after these are done, there's one character
18:23 we're gonna be focusing on, Pinocchio.
18:27 And Pinocchio, we've been in talks with Todd Masters
18:30 to design the doll and create it.
18:32 And he's the guy, his company made Chucky.
18:35 So you can see the kind of direction that's going.
18:37 And I think there's a lot of fun to be had with Pinocchio.
18:41 You can imagine his nose is a bit, I don't know,
18:44 he's got like a telescopic nose.
18:45 He's maybe behind the chair lying,
18:47 and then there's those snaps through and stab someone.
18:49 He's got his strings, he's like breaking from,
18:53 there's a lot of fun to be had with that character.
18:55 So we're both really excited to get that in the works.
18:59 - Yeah.
19:00 And Ken, I mean, Scott, are you able to drop anything
19:04 about Peter Pan or is it all hush hush?
19:07 - Yeah, no, yeah, I can.
19:09 Like, yeah, Peter Pan is,
19:11 like I want it to tonally be really, really dark.
19:15 Yeah, like one of my favourite films is,
19:17 well, in a really, really twisted dark way,
19:20 is Hounds of Love from Australia.
19:22 - Oh my God, yes.
19:23 - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah.
19:24 So that's actually one of my main,
19:27 I actually offered the guy Peter Pan, but he was busy.
19:31 But yeah, I really like in that,
19:35 the relationship between the couple,
19:38 and that is something that I'm playing with very heavily.
19:41 This is like the biggest like hint
19:43 as where I'm going with it,
19:44 with Peter Pan and Tinkerbell.
19:45 That is gonna be very reflected
19:47 in their relationship with my film,
19:49 because when I direct, it's gonna be more,
19:52 I'm a lot more excited by characters.
19:54 And how manipulation and all that kind of stuff in horror,
19:57 I think is really, really important to play into suspense.
20:00 And if someone's desperate, that's horrible,
20:03 because what were they willing to do for you?
20:06 So yeah, mine is a mix between Hounds of Love,
20:10 a film called Switchblade Romance,
20:12 which is also called High Tension, it's a French film.
20:14 Yeah, that's another one.
20:16 That's one of my favourites.
20:17 So that, and then a little bit of Black Phone.
20:20 So I'd say those three mixed together
20:22 with my own thing on it is where I'm going with it.
20:25 But essentially the plot is,
20:27 Wendy's little brother, Michael, is abducted,
20:31 and she has to find him basically.
20:34 But I want it to be intense
20:36 on the performance is gritty as hell.
20:38 Wendy's gonna go through it.
20:41 A bit of fun, Tinkerbell injects heroin,
20:44 and she thinks it's pixie dust.
20:46 So that's a bit of fun.
20:48 So yeah, I'm gonna have fun with that.
20:49 But it's gonna be totally, really different to Reese.
20:52 And that's the good thing
20:52 about this little world we're creating.
20:55 We let the filmmakers play to their strengths.
20:58 Like my strength is in like characters and suspense
21:02 and being in the moment.
21:04 Reese loves like the wacky B movie gore
21:07 in your face sort of thing.
21:09 Dan, he loves like, I would say he's in the middle of us.
21:12 Like I'm more serious.
21:14 Reese is like the wacky one,
21:15 and in the middle is Dan, it's a bit of both of us.
21:17 But yeah, we just let people make what they feel like,
21:21 they'll excel at.
21:23 I don't wanna tell someone how to direct something.
21:25 It's like, no, no, you tell me how you're gonna
21:27 do this the best.
21:28 And then we've obviously Pooniverse,
21:30 I've got so many ideas.
21:31 Like I want some of them to go against each other,
21:34 like Freddy versus Jason, I wanna see some versing.
21:36 Like I'm not just making this film for other people.
21:38 Honestly, I wanna see this film.
21:40 Like I've always wanted a film with like Hellraiser,
21:43 Chucky, Scream, Texas Chainsmokers.
21:46 I would love that, but it will never happen
21:48 because the distributors, the production companies,
21:49 they'll never do that.
21:51 But I can do that with my own way.
21:53 And I want some of them to verse,
21:55 I want some of them not to see eye to eye.
21:58 And then I have this idea,
21:59 just like we wanna close down a road,
22:01 and I wanna see the whole line of them
22:03 just walking down this fucking road
22:04 on this really cool shot.
22:06 And I just want them hacking anyone up in front of them.
22:09 - Like imagine, imagine actually seeing Winnie the Pooh
22:13 riding Bandy.
22:14 Imagine him walking, like riding on Bandy into battle,
22:17 how mad that would be.
22:19 That's what we wanna make.
22:20 - With a pop song.
22:21 We were saying, weren't we?
22:22 With like a pop song, some crazy pop song.
22:24 - Find some really good song.
22:26 - A good like needle drop moment.
22:27 Just like.
22:28 - Yeah.
22:29 - I mean, I'm just.
22:30 - And he's got his little chain with the bear trap.
22:34 It's like.
22:35 Yeah.
22:36 (laughing)
22:37 - Well, now I will be,
22:38 I'll be watching these movies going,
22:40 I now need to see Winnie the Pooh riding Bandy into battle
22:44 with a pop song behind it.
22:45 I won't settle for anything less now.
22:49 But seriously, thank you.
22:50 Thank you guys for taking the time out.
22:52 Like I, yeah, these films are like,
22:55 it's just so much fun just to see people,
22:59 you know, really like flex their creativity
23:01 and show just like what you can do
23:03 with like within your limitations,
23:05 but showing that you don't have limitations as well.
23:08 - Yeah.
23:09 - Yeah.
23:10 Like I just think we need,
23:11 they're like, they're horror movies.
23:13 Just like take, take.
23:15 - Yeah.
23:16 - Like watch it for what it's like.
23:17 - Do the, yeah.
23:17 - You know, basically.
23:18 - Yeah, fuck everybody else who's-
23:20 - It's not an A24 film.
23:22 It's definitely a popcorn.
23:23 Have a bit of fun.
23:24 - It's a different kind of movie.
23:25 - Bring your friends in and just go have fun.
23:27 - Yeah.
23:28 - Forget about life for an hour and a half.
23:30 - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:31 But I'm very excited to see where everything goes.
23:34 Now that I know that Peter Pan's gonna be
23:36 a little bit high attention-y,
23:37 I was like, if you top the staircase scene,
23:41 I'll be all for it.
23:42 So, yeah.
23:43 - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:44 - That's my challenge to you.
23:47 (laughing)
23:48 - Okay, okay.
23:49 I've already got one scene that I think might contend,
23:52 but yeah, we'll see, we'll see.
23:53 Fingers crossed.
23:54 - Yeah, awesome.
23:55 Nah, well, thank you so much for taking the time out.
23:57 I'm looking forward to everything
23:59 that the Pooniverse brings.
24:01 (laughing)
24:02 - Aw, thanks so much. - Thanks so much.
24:03 Thanks for your time.
24:04 - Cheers, no worries.
24:05 - Cheers.
24:06 - Bye. - Thank you.
24:07 - See ya.
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