" Ab Sirf American Ambassador Hi Pakistan Mein Siyasi Jamaton Ko Sath Bitha Sakta Hai. .. "
" Ab Sirf American Ambassador Hi Pakistan Mein Siyasi Jamaton Ko Sath Bitha Sakta Hai. .. "
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00:00 Pakistani politics and Pakistani economy
00:02 has a lot of influence.
00:04 Because you are in the government.
00:06 If you say this,
00:08 this will be a type of
00:10 acknowledgement.
00:12 What will happen?
00:14 You are accepting this.
00:16 You are being a part of the government.
00:18 Mr. Shabbar.
00:20 You are being a part of the government.
00:22 If you are saying that only the American ambassador
00:24 can make all the political parties sit,
00:26 you are accepting this.
00:28 You are accepting that
00:30 Pakistani economy and politics
00:32 has a lot of influence.
00:34 Do you have any doubt on this?
00:38 I expect that this should not happen.
00:42 Who has a doubt,
00:44 can come and discuss with me.
00:46 Who has a doubt
00:48 that US ambassador
00:50 or US administration
00:52 without Pakistan's
00:54 basic matters
00:56 at least of economy
00:58 if they are in doubt
01:00 they can clear their doubt.
01:02 This is not possible.
01:04 Mr. Shabbar,
01:06 the allegations you are making
01:08 is this the case of all parties?
01:10 What do you mean by allegations?
01:12 What is the meaning of allegations?
01:14 This is a big blame on the government
01:16 and political parties.
01:18 This is the reality.
01:20 Tell me one thing.
01:22 Is the condition of
01:24 IMF
01:26 without the consent of
01:28 American administration
01:30 changes?
01:32 Please understand my point.
01:34 You people get emotional.
01:36 The biggest fund
01:38 IMF is a bank.
01:40 Who is the biggest
01:42 shareholder of that?
01:44 USA.
01:46 When the director meets,
01:48 he has the most votes.
01:50 When USA says that
01:52 we have to keep this condition,
01:54 it will happen.
01:56 If we don't keep this condition,
01:58 it won't happen.
02:00 This is their legal system.
02:02 Don't think that
02:04 IMF and US administration
02:06 are two different things.
02:08 The biggest contributor
02:10 to IMF is USA.
02:12 If you think that
02:14 IMF has different things
02:16 with USA,
02:18 then you are mistaken.
02:20 You should talk to
02:22 the local representative
02:24 of US embassy
02:26 in Karachi.
02:28 That is a sad state of affairs.
02:30 Let's come to
02:32 the economy of Pakistan.
02:34 It is not a question
02:36 of sad or not sad.
02:38 Listen to me,
02:40 you started talking to me,
02:42 what did you say?
02:44 You didn't talk about
02:46 Pakistani economy.
02:48 You said that
02:50 IMF is a condition.
02:52 You are also talking about
02:54 IMF.
02:56 You didn't ask about
02:58 the rate of bread.
03:00 You started with IMF.
03:02 I understand what you are saying.
03:04 But you are saying that
03:06 our politicians
03:08 take decisions on this basis.
03:10 Let's move on.
03:12 The economic outlook
03:14 of Pakistan is that
03:16 of the ADB. Do you believe this?
03:18 Look,
03:20 I said, let me clarify one more thing.
03:22 The sad thing is that
03:24 you are not talking to me
03:26 about the economic outlook
03:28 of Pakistan.
03:30 You talked through ADB.
03:32 ADB is saying that
03:34 its outlook is this.
03:36 ADB is saying that
03:38 its outlook will be good.
03:40 Have you ever asked any Pakistani
03:42 economist about
03:44 the outlook of Pakistan?
03:46 For you, the report of ADB,
03:48 the report of World Bank,
03:50 for you, the report of Pakistan
03:52 is more important.
03:54 What we are talking about is not important.
03:56 But I understand,
03:58 this is my personal view,
04:00 I will talk to you later,
04:02 you will say that
04:04 it is a very sad thing.
04:06 I understand that
04:08 the allies of America
04:10 that you talked about
04:12 that the bank default is over
04:14 and we have come out of the
04:16 swamp, we have come out of the
04:18 default. All these things
04:20 look good in a nutshell.
04:22 You have come out of this
04:24 only because the Americans
04:26 and the American allies
04:28 who are Saudi Arabia,
04:30 they have decided that
04:32 the nuclear state should not
04:34 go into the bank default.
04:36 This is their decision,
04:38 you have no say.
04:40 The outlook is also determined by them.
04:42 Is there any credit of the Pakistanis or not?
04:44 Pakistan can have a debit,
04:48 there is no credit to be taken out.
04:50 Tell me, did you increase the export?
04:52 Did you do anything
04:54 that you can say
04:56 that the Pakistanis did it?
04:58 Because of which the Pakistanis
05:00 reduced some expenses,
05:02 did something,
05:04 why did you come out of the default?
05:06 Because the IMF gave you a tranche,
05:08 you said that we will give you
05:10 5 billion dollars,
05:12 the UAE has given you dollars.
05:14 That's exactly where I started from,
05:16 that we will have to break the vicious circle,
05:18 we cannot continue like this,
05:20 we cannot bow down to the fact
05:22 that we will get bailout in the next.
05:24 Anisha, I myself have a big
05:26 wish that the vicious circle
05:28 breaks in my life,
05:30 but to break the vicious circle,
05:32 first of all, we will have to
05:34 break the walls of the President House.
05:36 You have not broken it yet.
05:38 You have built a big house
05:40 in the President House.
05:42 A big house,
05:44 and the President travels,
05:46 he has 12 cars,
05:48 an ambulance,
05:50 so until you don't change
05:52 your lifestyle,
05:54 your mindset,
05:56 how will the circle break?
05:58 You rightly pointed that ultimately
06:00 the government will have to reduce
06:02 its expenses,
06:04 but Shabbar sahib,
06:06 the time is up,
06:08 I will have to wrap it up here.
06:10 Yes, Shabbar sahib.
06:12 Yes, Shabbar sahib, I am listening.
06:14 I am listening, Shabbar sahib.
06:16 My point is that
06:18 you don't have to reduce the expenses,
06:20 you have to change your mindset.
06:22 The ostentatious lifestyle
06:24 that you have adopted,
06:26 a common man has no interest
06:28 in that,
06:30 he says,
06:32 why should I pay taxes,
06:34 why should I work for Pakistan,
06:36 because this money goes
06:38 and is spent on these people,
06:40 why should I do something for this country,
06:42 you have created a gap,
06:44 in the effort of a common man,
06:46 and those people who we call
06:48 the rulers,
06:50 you go to the assembly,
06:52 and tell them that the cars
06:54 that are getting off,
06:56 there is no car other than
06:58 four wheel drive,
07:00 I got you.
07:01 I got you.