In 2008, prior to his trial in Las Vegas, Nevada, OJ Simpson sat down for a far-ranging interview on race, his trial, and more.
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00:00 >> Ready?
00:00 >> Yep. And he's rolling.
00:02 >> He's talking.
00:02 We can hear you.
00:03 >> We can hear you.
00:06 >> Are you done?
00:07 Okay. You got forks and stuff.
00:13 You got to stop.
00:14 Are you ready?
00:15 >> Yeah.
00:16 >> Well, the racial thing really bothered me.
00:17 Still to this day it bothers me because I was raised
00:19 in San Francisco, a very diverse city racially.
00:22 And my mother always raised this that you judge people
00:25 by their character and what they have to offer
00:27 and their contributions and not by the color of their skin.
00:30 So to find myself in the middle of it, it still disturbs me.
00:35 Even though I, for the most part, as normal,
00:38 I blame the media for it because it was the media
00:40 that focused on it almost immediately.
00:43 I mean, even when they start talking about how many blacks
00:46 and how many whites were on the jury,
00:48 obviously it wasn't an all-black jury.
00:50 But when they start counting who was on the jury and who was
00:54 in the jury pool, and to some extent,
00:56 I blame the prosecution because they brought a guy who admitted
01:01 to the police psychologist
01:03 that he had some racial feelings, Mark Furman.
01:08 I mean, he told the police department this years earlier,
01:11 his feeling towards minorities.
01:13 And instead of letting him retire, which he was trying
01:17 to do, or take a medical leave, they promoted him.
01:21 So, and then when Marsha was warned about his racial attitudes
01:28 by another top police department executive,
01:35 she totally ignored it.
01:36 So, you know, I'm the least racist person in the world.
01:41 You know, I like everybody.
01:42 It doesn't matter what color they are.
01:46 >> My connection, it would be, we were talking
01:50 about the, you made a comment, you wanted to comment
01:56 on Mark Furman talking about niggers.
01:59 >> Well, I just said that.
02:00 >> Okay, so you want to use that.
02:01 >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me put that comment on there.
02:04 >> Okay.
02:05 >> And Roland?
02:07 >> It is really interesting how the media just took Mark Furman
02:11 using the N-word, nigger word, and they tried to bring it right
02:15 down to that, that's all it was about.
02:17 You have to look at the content in which he was using that word,
02:21 you know, about what he would do if he found a black man
02:24 or a white woman, and even if he didn't have evidence,
02:26 he would create evidence, which he did.
02:29 You know, it's the content of what this guy said,
02:33 more than just using the word.
02:35 I mean, I've said over and over and over that if he was a Nazi
02:40 and we had evidence that he did put a swastika
02:43 on his partner's locker once because he married a Jewish person,
02:47 but if he was a noted Nazi and I was a Jewish defendant,
02:53 the Jewish community would be up in arms.
02:56 You know, they wouldn't call it playing a race card, not at all.
03:02 >> Okay, and we talked about, do you want to get into the McMartin?
03:08 >> Yeah, oh, yeah, I do.
03:10 >> Okay.
03:11 >> I do, I do.
03:12 Now, where was that in the piece?
03:14 Oh, the media.
03:17 >> Yeah.
03:18 >> Okay, still rolling.
03:19 >> Okay. It's like in my case, you know,
03:21 the media had the story they were going to tell, you know.
03:24 We were all shocked by the coverage at the end of each day.
03:28 It reminded me a lot of the McMartin case.
03:30 You know, I didn't follow the case, and like most Americans
03:33 who claim they watched the case, they didn't.
03:35 You know, the people that I know who are in the hospitals and stuff
03:39 who write me, saying they were in the hospital for the whole time,
03:41 and they watched most of the case,
03:43 they agree with the verdict of the jury.
03:45 It's the people, probably your more successful people,
03:48 who was at work all day, and they came home and got the coverage
03:53 of what happened, of course, from Geraldo and the snippets
03:56 from the news, they're the ones that were misled,
03:59 and they're the most vehement today about my guilt.
04:02 I felt the same way about the McMartin,
04:05 which was the OJ case before the OJ case, I guess.
04:08 I thought they were guilty of sin,
04:11 100 and something charges against them.
04:14 I think everybody in LA, nine out of ten people thought they were
04:18 guilty of sin, and I got my information like most of LA did
04:23 from snippets at the end of the day, because I was like most people,
04:26 I was busy during the day, I couldn't sit down
04:28 and watch this entire trial.
04:29 Well, it turns out they didn't get convicted on nothing,
04:33 on nothing at all.
04:34 They were totally innocent, and I do blame the media,
04:37 because the media is supposed to be the watchdogs of the system.
04:41 Instead of becoming bedfellows with the prosecution
04:44 in the McMartin case, and I also believe in my case,
04:48 they were just looking for the easy story,
04:50 whatever the prosecution leaked to them, they ran with,
04:53 and it turned out that the McMartins, just like myself,
04:57 was totally innocent because we were innocent.
05:00 >> Okay. All right.
05:03 So then--
05:04 >> Does that make sense, or did I go too long on it?
05:06 >> I think we can probably edit it, but like the first like minute
05:10 that you said about it, I thought it was really good.
05:13 Unless you want to just try it again?
05:15 >> Yeah, you want to do it that way?
05:16 >> Yeah. Okay.
05:17 Hold on one second.
05:19 And three, two, one.
05:22 >> Yeah, the way the media covered the trials at the end of the day was
05:25 shocking to us when we would see the media coverage,
05:27 and most people got their information from the media at the end of the day.
05:32 They didn't watch the entire trial.
05:33 Only people who were bedridden in hospitals who I get letters from,
05:37 they agreed with the verdict of the jury because they saw the whole trial,
05:40 but I thought the McMartins was guilty of sin because I followed the media.
05:44 Turns out that they weren't guilty of any of the 117 or so counts
05:49 that was lodged against them, but most people in LA thought they did.
05:53 I would guarantee you nine out of ten people thought they were guilty
05:56 because we followed what the media had to say about the case.
06:01 I find that they let us down, the media, in my trial,
06:05 in many of these high-profile trials,
06:07 because they're supposed to be the watchdogs of the system.
06:11 They are not supposed to be out there trying to convict people.
06:13 They're supposed to be making sure our forefathers gave them a certain
06:17 autonomy so that they would watch the system to see if it works.
06:21 Unfortunately, they're so ratings, money,
06:26 they want to get the latest rumor, the hottest story, and more than that,
06:32 they're in bed with the prosecution instead of watching them to see
06:35 that they're doing their jobs properly.
06:38 >> That was much better.
06:39 You want to talk about the whole black and white controversy?
06:44 You were talking about the divide.
06:46 >> Didn't I just talk about that?
06:47 >> But you wanted to use it in a different place as well.
06:50 You want like, you kind of--
06:52 >> Oh, okay.
06:53 All right.
06:54 Let me see if I can turn this.
06:55 Okay.
06:55 >> Okay.
06:56 >> You know, it's funny how, you know, the media,
06:58 they went to where they knew they would get a reaction,
07:01 both pro and con, black and white.
07:04 I traveled the country.
07:05 I had a guy named Norm Prado who followed me for three years everywhere,
07:09 Chicago, Cincinnati, New York, Las Vegas,
07:12 and followed me every place I went and filmed and saw so many blacks,
07:18 so many whites come up to me, you know, wishing me well, you know,
07:22 giving me a hug, telling me to hang in there, telling me,
07:25 asking me about my kids, and I wonder where those people were,
07:29 you know, that day of the verdict.
07:31 Somehow they went to where they knew they would get a reaction here,
07:34 where they would get a reaction here.
07:36 And if they interviewed a white person who didn't go along
07:39 with what they wanted, they didn't make the cut.
07:42 They interviewed a black person.
07:43 Well, they might have made the cut, but they basically didn't make the cut.
07:46 So they wanted to create this divide, which obviously was obviously there,
07:51 but not to the degree that they made it because they kept the story going,
07:55 that kept heat going, that kept the controversy,
07:57 and to this day they're still doing it.
08:02 >> That was good.
08:03 >> Yeah.
08:05 >> You want to get into about the careers like Dershowitz
08:12 and athlete being derailed and then shack.
08:17 >> Yeah.
08:18 >> Okay, three, two, one.
08:20 >> Yeah, once I had one of the guys involved with the case came to me
08:23 and told me that how it kind of hurt his career.
08:27 And I said, "Man, you hurt your career for the wishy-washy stance you took
08:32 because the two most visible people in my trial other than, you know, myself,
08:36 I would say, but certainly on my defense team was Johnny Cochran
08:39 and Barry Sheck, and their careers have just taken off.
08:43 I mean, their careers just took off from that.
08:45 And I would say that in the courtroom,
08:47 they were the two most visible people on my defense team.
08:50 So if your career got somewhat derailed, I think it probably had a little more
08:55 to do with, you know, you.
09:01 >> Good.
09:02 >> I hate to make that sound like I'm dogging that.
09:05 >> Yeah, yeah, right.
09:06 >> Yeah, let's back this up.
09:08 >> Yeah.
09:08 >> Let's back this up.
09:09 >> Yeah, okay.
09:10 Three, two, one.
09:13 >> Yeah, there's some people that felt that their careers got hurt by it, but,
09:16 you know, I kind of disagree with that.
09:18 The two most visible people in my trial and the people who were given most credit
09:25 for my acquittal was probably Johnny Cochran and Barry Sheck,
09:30 and their careers have just taken off.
09:33 You know, Johnny's dead.
09:34 >> Yeah, okay.
09:35 Then you want to talk about the verdict being quickly returned.
09:41 >> Okay, yeah.
09:42 >> Okay, all right.
09:44 >> And, you know, it's weird how they look for anything.
09:48 Because they were wrong, they tried to find excuses.
09:52 And first it was the black jury, and it wasn't all black jury, but then more germane
09:56 that a lot of the media pundits jumped on was the time of the verdict,
10:00 that it was only a few hours, it wasn't enough time.
10:03 Well, you know, I became for a while a big court TV watcher,
10:07 and I watched these multiple crimes where there's four, there's three or four defendants,
10:13 and three or four people were murdered and stuff.
10:16 And it's common that these verdicts come back in 30 minutes, in 45 minutes,
10:22 real complicated cases where there are more defendants involved and multiple victims involved.
10:28 And I never, ever once heard anybody complain that, hey, they came back in 90 minutes
10:34 or they came back in 45 minutes, and it happens weekly on court TV.
10:41 >> You wanted to comment about the media being able to say anything
10:48 without having to justify, you know, what they say.
10:53 It's like --
10:53 >> Yeah, kidding.
10:54 >> Yeah.
10:55 >> Yeah. And, you know, there was a time, you know, when I was a kid, I actually,
10:59 in the third grade we did a little project in Mr. Hartman's class
11:02 at Patrick Henry in San Francisco.
11:03 And I was the editor, and we did a little, what was a one-page paper there.
11:08 And the one thing he kept teaching us was, you know, who, what, where, why, when, you know.
11:13 But it was also, you had to corroborate it.
11:16 You know, he just said you had to get two witnesses.
11:18 You know, you hear a story, go find two other people that are witnesses to the story.
11:22 Our media has reached the point it's all about ratings.
11:26 And all they need is a rumor, you know.
11:29 I've seen it happen.
11:31 Actually, this is something else I want to say.
11:34 Okay?
11:35 >> Okay.
11:35 >> Okay. Let me finish.
11:38 Could you edit that when I say?
11:39 >> Could you --
11:40 >> Yeah, let me tighten that up again.
11:41 >> And just maybe start it with a --
11:46 >> Because Marsha said this.
11:46 >> Yeah.
11:47 >> This is what Marsha said.
11:47 >> Yeah.
11:48 >> Well, you know, the media, I think, shows the state that the American media is
11:55 in is why they're the least trusted profession right now,
11:59 even more so than used car dealers and lawyers.
12:02 It's because they didn't care in my case.
12:06 It was who had the latest rumor.
12:10 They didn't try to verify it with anyone.
12:12 Normally, historically, you're supposed to have, you know,
12:14 two other places that you can go for verifications.
12:17 It didn't care.
12:18 It was a good rumor.
12:19 They ran with it, no matter what it was.
12:21 And that's why the public got so confused and so lost about so many of the facts
12:28 of my case, facts that today they still believe.
12:32 >> Okay.
12:33 >> While I was saying that, I wanted to go to --
12:35 well, you probably got it written there.
12:36 I wanted to go into the book, the book stuff.
12:38 But anyway, we'll get to that.
12:40 >> Okay. And you wanted to talk about Dershowitz,
12:45 about him telling you to stay low like Von Buelow.
12:50 Three, two, one.
12:52 >> Yeah, I mean, I was told once to try to lie low.
12:56 Well, and they quoted, I think, another client.
12:59 For instance, Alan Dershowitz said this client, called Von Buelow,
13:03 I can't move to England.
13:05 I have two kids to raise.
13:06 And how do you stay low when everywhere you go, you got the media following you?
13:12 The least little thing gets blown out of proportion in the media.
13:17 A guy that tells me he doesn't want to serve me in Kentucky.
13:22 Okay, fine.
13:22 I'm sorry you feel that way.
13:23 Me and my friends leave.
13:25 It becomes a lead story for a week.
13:27 The guy's on the morning shows.
13:29 He's on Nancy Grace.
13:31 He's on the cable talk shows.
13:32 And it becomes news.
13:35 And every other week, my friends and I would talk about the tabloids.
13:39 One week, I'm committed suicide.
13:41 Another week, I'm OD'ing on cocaine.
13:43 Another week, I'm doing a porn video.
13:48 I mean, all not true.
13:49 And I said, it's a little different from some guy that could disappear into London,
13:55 opposed to me, who's got the media following him.
13:58 I feel like I have a bull's eye on my chest and a dollar sign on my back.
14:02 Everybody's trying to pimp me for something, it seems.
14:05 That's good.
14:06 And then, let's see.
14:12 Do you want to go into the book thing now?
14:14 Yeah.
14:15 Because we've covered a lot of books.
14:17 Okay, okay, here we go.
14:18 Here we go.
14:20 Three, two, one.
14:22 You know, I tell you where the media really shows where they're at,
14:26 is the publishing companies around the country.
14:28 Because they don't want anything positive.
14:30 They got what they want.
14:32 I recall, during the course of my trial, and when it was over,
14:35 both my ex-wife, Marguerite, and Nicole's best friend, Cora Fishman,
14:39 as well as Kato Kaelin, all had book deals.
14:42 But when they said exactly what their experience was with me,
14:48 and what they saw, that wasn't enough for the book companies.
14:51 They needed more.
14:52 They wanted my ex-wife to say that I beat her.
14:55 They wanted Cora Fishman to say that Nicole told her that I beat her.
15:00 They wanted Kato to say he witnessed things that he didn't witness.
15:03 And all three of them lost their book deals.
15:06 The only person who did a book deal who was willing to say anything remotely
15:10 like that is a person that knew Nicole the least out of that group.
15:14 You know, knew me the least out of that group.
15:16 A person that I had seen -- I can count on my fingers the times I've seen this person.
15:21 And that was Faye Russnet.
15:22 As the years have gone on, I know recently I got a call from my friend Norm.
15:27 And he said that they offered him a book deal, but he needed to say I confessed.
15:32 But he wouldn't do it.
15:34 Of course, another person, as we all know, who had a lot of financial problems,
15:38 has been in a lot of trouble lately, he was willing to say it.
15:41 And they'll take the book.
15:42 Even myself, you know, when I was prepared to --
15:47 willing to write, to straighten out a lot of misconceptions about my life with Nicole,
15:51 they wouldn't do it unless there's a fictional chapter in there about a confession.
15:55 So it's what they want.
15:57 And they could care less what the truth is.
15:59 They got what they know will sell.
16:02 And they want to continue to feed it to the public.
16:07 >> You were talking about we want to maybe do a new ending, you know.
16:12 >> Hold on one second.
16:13 >> Okay, well, how does the ending -- where's the ending come from?
16:16 >> What you say right now is just like, you know, a lot of people felt I was guilty, you know,
16:21 and basically I realized they have a problem, you know, so.
16:25 You know, I have to live with the fact that there are people out there
16:31 that think I did this horrible thing, which I didn't.
16:34 I do realize that many of them who make that known to me in the public,
16:38 it really has nothing to do with me.
16:40 They're pissed off anyway about whatever.
16:42 And I'm an easy target for it.
16:45 And I got to live with that.
16:46 I've tried to handle it with some dignity.
16:49 I normally will just say, "I'm sorry you feel that way."
16:52 My mother told me early on that my kids are going to reflect me.
16:58 So you got to watch how you react to that because you got
17:01 to show them how they need to react to that.
17:04 And obviously my kids have done pretty well.
17:07 They're both in college now.
17:08 They seem to be healthy and happy and well-adjusted kids.
17:13 So I realized that I'm not going to be able to change some opinions ever.
17:18 And that's my cross to bear.
17:20 But I only have one person I have to impress, and that's my Lord God, Jesus.
17:24 And hey, I think I'll see my mom again.
17:28 >> Yes.
17:32 >> Yeah.
17:32 >> All right.
17:32 I'm rolling camera B.
17:33 >> Yeah.
17:34 >> Rolling.
17:35 >> Yeah. Well, let's see.
17:36 You know, I was very successful.
17:38 I was very fortunate to be able to compete with some great guys,
17:41 win some championships.
17:43 We won the national championship in football my junior year.
17:46 We won two indoor and two outdoor national championships.
17:49 My sophomore and junior year, and of course,
17:52 broke a world record in track and field.
17:55 So I really had a terrific, terrific college career.
18:02 Cut. Go.
18:02 Keep going.
18:03 Keep going.
18:03 That's another point.
18:04 >> Okay.
18:05 >> It bothers me sometimes.
18:09 I remember I was sitting there in court and Marshall made this comment
18:13 about I was a different person off the court.
18:15 What I took pride in was the fact that everybody who ever played with me,
18:19 everybody who ever worked with me, whether it was Chevrolet or Hertz or NBC
18:23 or ABC would always tell you.
18:25 And any interview that anybody around me ever gave my whole life was,
18:30 what you see is what you get with OJ.
18:31 He's the same guy.
18:33 And I tried to treat everybody, everybody that I met on the street
18:37 like I would want to be treated.
18:40 That was my, has always been my philosophy to do unto others.
18:43 And I know that was my reputation.
18:46 So it wasn't when the camera went off I was a different person.
18:49 And I like to think with few exceptions I'm that person today.
18:53 And that's why I try to be nice to everybody.
18:55 And if they're not nice in return, that's their problem.
19:01 >> Can you say one more time, I'm going to relate a close up.
19:05 >> Yeah.
19:05 >> About you know you're going to see your mom.
19:08 >> Yeah.
19:09 >> Thanks.
19:09 >> So, you know, I just try to do what my mom taught me.
19:13 And because I know one day I'm going to see my mom again.
19:17 >> What was the whole thing about treating that?
19:22 So you got the rest, you can put it into the close up.
19:25 >> Yeah, yeah, yeah.
19:26 >> And my mom was, and my mom was just the nicest person everybody
19:30 that ever met her.
19:31 She's an angel.
19:32 And she is an angel.
19:33 And I just know one day I'm going to see her again.
19:36 >> Okay.
19:39 >> Even here you're trying to stay away from the media.
19:43 And everybody's trying to use you and your case for their own benefit.
19:48 >> Yeah.
19:49 >> As such as the comment that recently Barack Obama.
19:51 >> Okay.
19:53 >> You think that's a good idea?
19:54 >> Yeah, I'm going to try it.
19:54 Try it. I think I got what you're saying.
19:56 >> Okay. Anytime.
20:00 >> You know, because it's interesting that I play golf when I come home.
20:03 I raise my kids.
20:04 They're in college now.
20:05 So I come home, I read, I write a little bit.
20:08 I may go to a movie.
20:09 So I try to stay as far under the radar as you can for the most part.
20:13 But my life is everybody's trying to make money on me.
20:16 You know, I mean, people want to take me wherever I go about something.
20:20 Once again, they'll write stories about me
20:23 that I don't have a clue where it comes from.
20:25 The paparazzi, they shoot me whenever I go out.
20:30 And because there's no story, they write a story.
20:34 I was at a well-known South Beach restaurant here recently, Prime 112.
20:39 And I know the owner, Miles.
20:41 And we had a perfectly nice night.
20:44 And later in that week, I see him again.
20:47 And he says, "Did you see that story in the tabloids?
20:49 And something about Marky, Mark's brother, confronted you.
20:52 And people got out of the restaurant and left."
20:54 I mean, it's crazy.
20:55 I mean, nobody signs more autographs or take more pictures than I do
20:59 when I go out in the public.
21:00 And very rarely do I get any real negative response.
21:04 But if it's not there, they will create it.
21:09 And I think my recent escapades shows that from day one,
21:16 everybody's trying to tape me.
21:18 Everybody's trying to film me.
21:19 Everybody's trying to put me in certain situations.
21:21 And they're all trying to benefit from it.
21:24 All I want to do is just do what I've been doing.
21:27 Let me hang out with my family and play a little golf.
21:30 And basically, you can leave me alone.
21:33 >> Okay.
21:34 >> One of the things on race is that how race often is used in the media specifically.
21:42 And how 12 years ago, there was a nation divide between whites and blacks,
21:46 even though he is black and he believes of your guilt.
21:49 >> Well, I heard -- I saw him on TV mention me, like you said,
21:55 but I didn't hear him say he believed in my guilt.
21:57 I didn't hear that question.
21:57 >> He mentioned that he thought you were guilty back then.
22:00 And I remember AJ, somebody says, "What the hell does it have to do with the politics?"
22:06 >> And that's my point.
22:08 How they're trying to use you.
22:10 >> I don't want to -- I don't want to point it out to anybody.
22:18 >> Right, right, right.
22:19 >> But I don't want to use that.
22:21 I still feel I can clean that up a little bit.
22:24 >> Yeah.
22:24 >> What was the subject again?
22:26 I'm sorry.
22:26 >> How when there is no story, they'll make a story.
22:30 >> Oh, yeah.
22:30 >> Even though there isn't.
22:32 >> Yeah.
22:33 >> Really?
22:34 >> Yeah. I mean, it's -- in my life, I'm obviously --
22:37 I think everybody wrote records for profits.
22:40 I've had paparazzi guys come up to me now and they give me free pictures and stuff
22:45 because they said they paid off their boat or they paid off their mortgage
22:48 during the trial back then.
22:50 But no matter what I do, they seem to want me in the media, no matter what it is.
22:56 A guy can follow me and blow his horn at me and tailgate me and then I'll get prosecuted.
23:02 And I can be three witnesses against one.
23:04 It doesn't matter.
23:04 People could -- I would watch the guys tease me, my golf buddies and stuff tease me
23:12 about the tabloids.
23:13 Okay, Juice, well, Thursday, let's go see what you've been doing now, right?
23:17 They just create these stories, you know.
23:19 I'm OD'ing one week or I'm done a porn video another week.
23:24 I've committed -- tried to commit suicide.
23:27 I mean, I couldn't stay out of the media if I tried.
23:30 I mean, I could literally go into a seminary and there would be tales about what I did
23:36 on South Beach.
23:37 When I first moved to Miami, I think I went to South Beach twice for lunch in a year.
23:41 Yet there were always stories about me at nightclubs in South Beach.
23:45 So the media, for whatever reason, seem to feel they need OJ stories and they're going
23:51 to keep it going.
23:53 We'll see real soon how they take what was something as simple as cursing some guys out
23:59 and it's going to be -- it's going to be the big news for unfortunately maybe weeks
24:05 or months.
24:05 [Pause]
24:08 Okay.
24:08 Really?
24:11 Despite the fact that cameras in the courtroom really helped me as far as the trial is
24:18 concerned, because so many women out there who saw Furman recognized him and kind of
24:25 touted everybody on the defense team and the prosecution about his racial bigotry, I'm
24:34 not truly for cameras in the courtroom.
24:36 I think a camera should be on the jury box.
24:39 If you can watch the witnesses and maybe the lawyers, that's it.
24:43 I do not believe -- oh, I'm sorry.
24:45 You said a camera on the jury box.
24:47 You meant --
24:47 Oh, I'm sorry.
24:48 Let me start over.
24:49 Let me start over.
24:49 All right.
24:50 Ready?
24:51 Take two.
24:52 I'm still a little mixed about cameras in the courtroom.
24:55 It helped me because of the people who saw Furman early on.
24:58 We got calls from three or four different women who had dated him or whatever and knew
25:03 and informed us about his racial bigotry.
25:06 But if you can keep the camera on the witness stand and maybe the lawyers, to me there's
25:13 a place for cameras in the courtroom.
25:15 But the minute you start showing the audience families of the victims and their reactions
25:22 to verdict, it becomes a reality TV.
25:24 And to me it becomes -- it's all about profit and reality TV then.
25:30 It's not about -- emotions get involved and they tell you over and over and over, you
25:34 got to rely on the facts in the courtroom, not the emotions that are going on there.
25:39 I'm going to continue saying something just in case you want to lose it or not.
25:44 I gave explicit orders to my family and to my lawyers there'd be no celebration.
25:51 Two people were murdered and the murder was still out there.
25:54 So if I were to win, I didn't want any celebration.
25:57 So you didn't see a lot of emotion from my family, no cheering and stuff.
26:02 And you didn't see that even from my lawyers.
26:04 I see the footage often of Kim and Mr. Goldman.
26:11 And you can't help but feel sad for them.
26:13 You can't help it.
26:14 But to me, that's no place for that in a courtroom.
26:19 I don't think the camera should be looking at the audience in a courtroom because it
26:24 changes -- the verdict should stand on itself.
26:27 It changes what -- I should stay off the Goldman's.
26:33 Other than, let me just say, I mean, how can you not feel bad for them when you see that?
26:39 But I purposely made sure that my family and my lawyers didn't celebrate because it was
26:44 still two murdered people here.
26:45 Also, we wanted to talk about how they kept you up every 15 minutes.
26:51 Oh, yeah.
26:51 Oh, if you don't mind, you may want to add to that by saying the two people that have
27:00 been murdered here, one who I happen to have loved tremendously, you know what I'm saying?
27:05 It adds humanity to it.
27:06 Yeah, yeah.
27:07 Really?
27:09 Yeah, and let's not forget there was two people murdered here and one was a person I
27:14 will always love.
27:15 She was a mother to my kids and there was no place for any celebration, I didn't feel.
27:21 Okay, you said --
27:25 How they kept you up every 15 minutes.
27:27 Every 15 minutes, some kind of voiceover over that.
27:29 Yeah, it's interesting how I was in prison.
27:34 So I had been incarcerated a few days before I had to go to court and for whatever reason,
27:41 the night before I had to go to court, they had me on the suicide watch and they woke
27:45 me up every 15 minutes.
27:47 I mean, from 10 o'clock at night to six or so in the morning, every 15 minutes.
27:53 If I happened to fall asleep, they turned the lights on, they rattled the door to get
27:58 me to react to them.
28:00 And I remember going to court telling my lawyer, "They've done everything to make me look
28:04 like crap coming into this courtroom."
28:07 You know, this is before --
28:09 Well, I've never mentioned the reason why.
28:11 I think the reason why is before the verdict.
28:14 It was the night before the verdict.
28:15 Yeah, it was the night before the verdict.
28:16 You didn't say verdict.
28:17 No, that wasn't the verdict.
28:17 This was early on.
28:19 Oh, I thought you said before the verdict.
28:20 Oh, I thought this was right before.
28:22 That picture of me, that's when I came into court to say not guilty.
28:26 Oh?
28:26 That was in a hearing.
28:28 On your arraignment.
28:30 On your arraignment.
28:30 Okay, we thought it was before.
28:32 Yeah, I mean, you may want to clean that up.
28:33 I look fine.
28:34 Okay, let me see.
28:34 No, that's the case and that's all right then.
28:36 I'd say it's funny early on when I was first arrested and I had to go to court for a couple
28:40 of arraignments and hearings.
28:42 One night before I had to go to court, for whatever reason, they had me on a suicide
28:46 watch and they woke me up every 15 minutes.
28:49 I mean, from 10 o'clock, 10.15, 10.30, 10.45, 11 o'clock, 11.15, 11.30, all the way to 6
28:56 in the morning, they woke me up.
28:57 If I fell asleep, they woke me up.
28:59 And I said, I remember complaining to Superior at the time and we were just saying, "Well,
29:05 Juice, you got to look as good as you look."
29:07 You know, they're messing with you.
29:09 It was a psychological warfare or something so I would look horrible in the courtroom.
29:13 Anything else?
29:21 No, I think we're cool.
29:22 Yeah.
29:22 Let's move some things around.
29:24 Yeah.
29:24 Some of the stuff we take out, we got to put it back.