Kementerian Koordinator Bidang Kemaritiman dan Investasi (Kemenko Marves) akan membentuk tim khusus bersama China untuk percepatan perpanjangan jalur Kereta Cepat Whoosh sampai ke Surabaya. Pembentukan tim ini dilakukan menjelang akhir masa kepemimpinan Presiden Joko Widodo (Jokowi), demi keberlanjutannya di era Prabowo Subianto selaku Presiden terpilih 2024-2029.
Juru Bicara Menteri Koordinator Bidang Kemaritiman dan InvestasiJodi Mahardi mengatakan nantinya tim khusus ini melibatkan Kemenko Marves hingga Kementerian Perhubungan. Ia juga menekankan, PT Kereta Api Indonesia (Persero) atau KAI juga akan turut dilibatkan dalam tim. Rencana perpanjangan proyek Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Surabaya ini salah satunya didorong dengan berkaca pada banyaknya manfaat yang telah dirasakan masyarakat dari keberadaan Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Bandung atau Whoosh.
Juru Bicara Menteri Koordinator Bidang Kemaritiman dan InvestasiJodi Mahardi mengatakan nantinya tim khusus ini melibatkan Kemenko Marves hingga Kementerian Perhubungan. Ia juga menekankan, PT Kereta Api Indonesia (Persero) atau KAI juga akan turut dilibatkan dalam tim. Rencana perpanjangan proyek Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Surabaya ini salah satunya didorong dengan berkaca pada banyaknya manfaat yang telah dirasakan masyarakat dari keberadaan Kereta Cepat Jakarta-Bandung atau Whoosh.
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00:00Translator note
00:15Hello viewers, how are you today?
00:17Back again with me, Prasetyo Iwo, in the Market Review program
00:21which will tackle the issues of the Indonesian economic movement
00:23and this time we will discuss the transportation sector, especially the train
00:27where the government will bring back China to continue the development of the fast train
00:33Before that, Jakarta-Bandung will be further upgraded to Jakarta-Surabaya
00:38Let's start the Market Review
00:48The Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Investment will form a special team with China
00:53to accelerate the extension of the fast train to Surabaya
00:57This team was formed at the end of the presidency of President Joko Widodo
01:02for the continuation in the era of Prabowo Subianto as the elected president in 2024-2029
01:12The Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Investment will form a special team with China
01:18to accelerate the extension of the fast train to Surabaya
01:23This team was formed at the end of the presidency of President Joko Widodo
01:28for the continuation in the era of Prabowo Subianto as the elected president in 2024-2029
01:36The Minister of Maritime Affairs and Investment, Jody Mahardi, said
01:41this special team will involve the Ministry of Commerce and the Ministry of Transportation
01:46PT Ketetapi Indonesia Persero or KAI will also be involved in the team
01:53The extension plan of the Jakarta-Surabaya fast train project
01:56should be pushed with a glass
01:58to many benefits that have been felt by the people
02:01from the existence of Jakarta-Bandung or WUSH fast train
02:05The reason is that the number of fast train passengers is increasing
02:08This year, PT Ketetapi Indonesia Persero or KAI
02:12for the first time served the Eid al-Fitr
02:14the number of passengers carried reached 222,309
02:20Coverage Team, IDX Channel
02:26Yes, Pak Mirso, to discuss our theme today
02:29the Chinese government built the Jakarta-Surabaya fast train
02:32already connected through Zoom
02:34together with Mr. Aditya Dwi Laksana
02:36Chairperson of the Road Transport and Railway Forum
02:39Indonesian Transport Association
02:41Good morning, Mr. Aditya
02:43Good morning, Mr. Pras, greetings
02:46Greetings to you too, Mr. Aditya
02:48including if we look at the current condition
02:50this is interesting
02:52After Jakarta-Bandung was completed
02:55then it was also full of drama there
02:58so how is your review
03:01first related to the implementation of Jakarta-Bandung
03:04then the plan to continue it back to Surabaya
03:08Okay, thank you, Mr. Pras
03:09First, maybe we need to look at the characteristics
03:12of the transportation mode
03:14which is the high-speed train or this fast train
03:18Actually, in terms of the concept of fast train transportation
03:22the character is only optimal
03:26if operated at a distance of 200 km to 800 km
03:32Why?
03:33First, if below 200 km
03:36it will be competitive with road-based transportation
03:40especially road-based
03:42if above 800 km
03:45it will be competitive with aircraft
03:48and indeed the fast train has been built
03:51connects the two main cities
03:53whose economic growth is indeed high
03:56so then if it is translated to Java Island
04:01actually the ideal is
04:03the fast train connects Jakarta-Surabaya
04:06which is more than 700 km
04:09and Jakarta-Surabaya are the two cities
04:13which are indeed cities with high economic growth and movement
04:18but the choice is
04:20will it be built entirely or fully
04:23directly far away
04:25or built partially
04:27yesterday in 2016
04:29the government decided to build it partially
04:32maybe one of them is of course
04:35Jakarta-Bandung is about 142 km
04:46and there is also direct road-based transportation
04:52which is actually competitive or head-to-head with this fast train
04:56so I once said
04:58that this Jakarta-Bandung fast train
05:01will have a high level of competition
05:04with road-based transportation
05:06because it is directly facing the toll road
05:08so if I say at that time
05:11completing the construction is one of the big challenges
05:15but how the fast train operation
05:18can be sustainable
05:21can survive
05:23and can be sustainable
05:25that's another challenge, Mr. Pras
05:27now we see the Jakarta-Bandung fast train
05:31commercially
05:33has been operated since October
05:35commercially
05:37so if we count November, December, January, February, March, April
05:41that's about 6 months
05:44about 6 months
05:46I agree that this is still in time to create a market segment
05:51so at that time
05:53the tariff can still be a dynamic tariff
05:57because if I look at this fast train
06:00the occupancy will be higher
06:03during the long weekend
06:09or also on holidays
06:11which are indeed special holidays
06:14such as Eid or Christmas and New Year
06:17that's for sure
06:18the fast train will have a higher occupancy
06:21compared to working days
06:23so actually the challenge of KCIJ is
06:26how to increase the occupancy of passengers
06:30especially on working days
06:31which I think the key is certainly not far from two things
06:34how to increase accessibility
06:37or capital combination
06:39then access to fast train stations
06:42and the second is how the tariff factor
06:45until now we see
06:47for 6 months
06:48indeed KCIJ is still fighting hard
06:51to be able to increase the occupancy of passengers
06:54one of them by implementing a dynamic tariff
06:57a high tariff during busy hours
06:59busy days
07:00or the weekend and Eid
07:02and a lower tariff at times
07:05where the volume of passengers is not high
07:07and this is just operational
07:09how about the financing and repayment of loans
07:13well, of course, the concern right now
07:16in my opinion is more to how to cover operational costs
07:20and be able to generate profits
07:22when it comes to the repayment of investment
07:25I think the concern is more to the short term
07:28meanwhile, that's it, Mr. President
07:29Mr. Aditya, this is interesting
07:30if the challenges that you have mentioned
07:33operational, even the financing
07:35this becomes a challenge in itself
07:38but if we look at the operation
07:40if Jakarta, Bandung
07:42which can be learned there
07:45which part is crucial?
07:46maybe it should be mapped first
07:48or actually it has been mapped
07:51I remember there has been a team formed
07:53from Kemengko Marfes
07:54together with the Chinese special team
07:56for the acceleration of the Jakarta-Surabaya route
08:00for this express train
08:03Yes, as I mentioned earlier
08:05if it is specifically Jakarta-Bandung
08:07the challenge will be high
08:08because it is only 140 kilometers away
08:11let alone head-to-head or tight competition
08:14with toll-based vehicles
08:16then actually the choice of the public
08:19will be more
08:21without, I mean
08:23the choice is not
08:25the express train has
08:28the highest competitive advantage
08:30because the public can choose
08:32it's okay to travel for two hours
08:34but the tariff is cheaper
08:35it's okay, I take a travel
08:37but I can go straight to
08:39the city center of Bandung
08:41or the city center of Jakarta
08:43for example, it's okay
08:44I take the express train to Parahiangan
08:46but I don't have to move
08:48I can go straight to Bandung station
08:50that's what I mean by the challenge
08:52there is now
08:53so it's like I said
08:55if the operational distance
08:57or the service of the express train
08:59can be more than 200 kilometers
09:02up to 800 kilometers
09:04let's say that
09:05the express train will definitely have
09:07competitive advantages
09:09especially in terms of time accuracy
09:11safety and also
09:13certainly a shorter waiting time
09:15that's for sure
09:17so then the question is
09:19what if it is extended
09:21to Surabaya
09:23what are the things that need to be
09:25paid attention to
09:27after we interviewed
09:29Jakarta-Bandung
09:31142 kilometers
09:33built from 2016
09:35until 2023
09:37for 7 years
09:38what I see is
09:40why now it seems
09:42a bit
09:44the preparation process is accelerated
09:46I think this is also because
09:48this is your political year
09:50so just make sure that
09:54the development plan
09:56or the continuation of the express train to Surabaya
09:58can already be
10:00started to be ensured
10:02so that later the new government
10:04can be ensured
10:06will continue this express train project
10:08to Surabaya
10:10because this is really the dilemma
10:12or the challenge is like that
10:14Jakarta-Bandung is difficult to be optimal
10:16but if extended to Surabaya
10:18once again this is a factor
10:20that must be studied closely
10:22is that this cannot be done
10:24in a hurry or instant
10:26with less comprehensive
10:28preparation like
10:30the Jakarta-Bandung express train yesterday
10:32so that we find there are several
10:34things like
10:36a significant cost reduction
10:38there was an incident
10:40at the time of construction
10:42such as pillars that then
10:44had to be demolished
10:46flood on the toll road
10:48then in Pagas Pertamina
10:50also burned
10:52then there was an accident
10:54a work locomotive
10:56actually things that also have
10:58the nature of chasing a swing
11:00I think if this is later in Surabaya
11:02the planning and study must already be very
11:04comprehensive, the most important thing is
11:06study related to demand or needs
11:08of the people and also
11:10financial studies and
11:12financing, that's what I think is the most important
11:14okay, you said earlier
11:16it is more for the interests of the people
11:18but so far there are many benefits that can be
11:20obtained by the people
11:22especially the use of train transportation
11:24with the presence of this fast train
11:26hold on to the answer, we will explain in a moment
11:28and viewers stay with us
11:40Indonesia's Fast Train
11:46Yes, viewers
11:48in the middle of planning the extension of the fast train route
11:50to Surabaya
11:52Minister of State Enterprise
11:54Erick Thohir revealed the reason
11:56why the Karawang fast train station has not been opened yet
11:58although this fast train
12:00has been fully operational since October
12:022023
12:04Yes, as we know, based on
12:06the initial plan, the fast train
12:08will be built by crossing four stations
12:10namely Halim Station, Karawang Station,
12:12Padalarang Station, and Tegaluar Station
12:14but only the Karawang Station
12:16which has not yet been opened
12:18Erick said, in addition to access to the Karawang Station
12:20which has not yet been completed
12:22the level of passenger requests
12:24is also a consideration to activate
12:26Karawang Station, according to Erick
12:28his party has coordinated with the Ministry of Public Works and Public Housing
12:30and Public Services
12:32for the construction of access roads to
12:34Karawang Station
12:36However, Erick emphasized
12:38the activation of Karawang Station
12:40will still consider first
12:42the average level of passenger requests
12:44still 14,000 to 16,000
12:46passengers per day
12:50We focus that
12:52Jakarta and Bandung
12:54remain as a priority
12:56where
12:58there is a stop
13:00at two points
13:02when the people have become accustomed
13:04then we will add
13:06additional routes
13:08because it's the same as the toll road
13:10when we open access from A to Z
13:12it doesn't mean that
13:14we don't open the H
13:16step by step according to the traffic
13:18that occurs
13:20I haven't been able to comment
13:22depending on the situation
13:24Will the access be built by BUMN or PMD?
13:28We will continue the discussion
13:30with Mr. Aditya Dulaksana
13:32from the Ministry of Transportation, Roads and Railways
13:34MTI
13:36We will continue the discussion
13:38there is already a statement for Jakarta-Bandung
13:40there is still a station that has not been opened
13:42because the demand is still
13:44not suitable
13:46What do you think about these factors?
13:48From the design,
13:50is it not in line with expectations?
13:52Or how come there is an incident
13:54or an incident like this?
13:56Yes, in my opinion
13:58why
14:00Karawang needs to build a station
14:02for the express train
14:04I see it from the side
14:06because the express train concept
14:08is not just a mode of transportation
14:10to connect
14:12to deliver passengers from point A to point B
14:14but one of the things
14:16expected from the
14:18express train is
14:20economic growth or
14:22the growth of the new economic zone
14:24I see that
14:26Karawang is probably
14:28even the development of the industrial zone
14:30for example Jababika,
14:32M2000, DeltaMars
14:34and also the housing area
14:36there were many
14:38viral in Jakarta
14:40besides the housing areas
14:42or commercial areas
14:44here I see
14:46that the Karawang station
14:48is indeed considered
14:50to be able to grow the economic
14:52area with the existence of
14:54express train stations
14:56I think the first thing
14:58is that in my opinion
15:00the access is not yet
15:02developed and well prepared
15:04because I saw yesterday
15:06the government or
15:08operators were more focused
15:10to prepare the access station
15:12at Halim station, Padalarang station
15:14and Tegaluar station
15:16so the access at
15:18Karawang station is not yet
15:20prepared and well prepared
15:22secondly, I think about the demand
15:24that can be waited
15:26but indeed since the beginning
15:28express train has been designed
15:30to reach Karawang station
15:32so that at Karawang station
15:34I think it is definitely one of
15:36the consequences will
15:38add time, for example
15:40now from Halim to
15:42Padalarang 30 minutes with
15:44the delay of the train stopping
15:46and waiting time at Karawang station
15:48maybe it can add about 5
15:50to 8 minutes, let's say
15:52throughout the express train journey
15:54but I think
15:56the express train concept is not
15:58allowed to have too many
16:00crossing points because it will reduce
16:02the competitive advantage of the express train
16:04at the stop time and
16:06at that speed, but once again
16:08because it is needed for the economic
16:10development of the area, I think
16:12Karawang station, I think
16:14the potential is also
16:16developed as one
16:18of the drivers of
16:20economic growth
16:22in that area.
16:24Okay, so if we look at this experience,
16:26what can we see from the special team that
16:28will also be formed later, the government,
16:30then China for the development of express trains
16:32until Surabaya,
16:34so we have to be really
16:36specific about the areas
16:38that can support the economy
16:40of the area, then there is a station
16:42or something like that, maybe there is a leak
16:44that can be received by MTI?
16:46If it leaks, maybe not yet,
16:48because I still
16:50study, because if
16:52we talk about the length of
16:54express trains, I think it's very
16:56crucial that needs to be considered
16:58as I mentioned earlier is the factor
17:00of study involving demand or
17:02requests from the public, then
17:04also study from the side of
17:06financing or from the side of
17:08finance, now it must be related to
17:10what, one, how
17:12is it actually
17:14the growth of the number of residents in
17:16Gredor between Bandung
17:18to Surabaya, especially
17:20in major cities or
17:22urban agglomeration, how is the
17:24level of income per capita of the
17:26people, is it right yet? If you say
17:2810 to 20 years
17:30more have express trains,
17:32why did I say 10 to 20 years?
17:34Yesterday, building from
17:36Lim to Bandung alone
17:38may still be in the early stages, it takes
17:407 years, if it reaches
17:42Surabaya, it will definitely take
17:44quite a long time. Then
17:46I think what is also
17:48considered is, in addition to
17:50income per capita, how
17:52is the model of
17:54people's travel and mobility and
17:56the volume of people's travel
17:58all this time, is it really needed
18:00to use express trains? And the
18:02most critical, in my opinion, is
18:04harmonization with the existing
18:06means and means of transportation
18:08according to the development plan
18:10from the government, for example,
18:12we in Java Island
18:14are now very intensive
18:16in building toll roads, even
18:18later we will build a toll road
18:20Cikgatas, for example, Cilenyi, Garut,
18:22Tasikmalayat,
18:24up to Cilacap, from
18:26Cemarang built a toll road to
18:28Jogja or the YIA airport,
18:30for example, in the eastern part
18:32, a toll road was built from
18:34Pulau Kulinggo to Banyuwangi, very
18:36intensively building toll roads, on the
18:38other hand, there is also a lot of
18:40harmonization and revitalization
18:42and the development of new airports
18:44in Java Island, for example,
18:46in Pangandaran there is an airport, in Cilacap
18:48there is, in Pelora there is, in Kediri
18:50there is an airport, in Purbalingga
18:52there is an airport,
18:54what does it mean? It means that
18:56later, how is the
18:58role of this express train?
19:00Will the express train
19:02just be quiet because the
19:04flights and tolls are crowded or
19:06even the tolls and flights
19:08must be switched to
19:10logistics, flights to outside Java
19:12because in Java Island it will
19:14be more backward, for example,
19:16the express train must also be
19:18considered, the question is
19:20about the track,
19:22where is the station,
19:24depending on the track, because this is
19:26plus or minus, if the track is in the north,
19:28for example, through Kertajati,
19:30Cemarang to Surabaya,
19:32will it pass through the southern route
19:34to Jogja, which is a mountain,
19:36there are many options.
19:38Mas Hadid, we will see what this is like,
19:40that sustainability is important,
19:42that the presence of Ketajepat
19:44can have a positive impact on the economy,
19:46the economy wheels in the areas
19:48that are passed and of course how
19:50the budget will be used, we will discuss
19:52later in the next segment.
20:06Good, the more interesting our discussion
20:08with Mas Hadid Tiadui Laksana,
20:10he is the Chairperson of the
20:12Road Transportation Forum and
20:14MTI Railway.
20:16Mas Hadid, we will continue
20:18talking about the mechanism,
20:20then the track and others have been discussed,
20:22then how the benefits
20:24that can be provided
20:26by this Jakarta-Surabaya train,
20:28then from the budget,
20:30whether this bus train
20:32will eventually make money
20:34or how, please.
20:36Yes, Mas, as I said earlier,
20:38actually the fast train
20:40was designed to increase
20:42the efficiency of travel time
20:44and increase the mobility
20:46of the people,
20:48for sure if Jakarta-Surabaya
20:50for example can
20:52say 4 hours,
20:54that's enough to give competitive advantages
20:56because if you take an airplane
20:58from Juanda Airport
21:00to Cengkareng Airport,
21:02when waiting in the aircraft queue
21:04for take-off,
21:06if waiting for luggage,
21:08if calculated, it can be more than
21:103-4 hours.
21:12That's from the second mobility
21:14that I think also from the side of
21:16how they move the economy
21:18and create a new economic
21:20growth area. This will be very dependent
21:22on the feeling chosen. If the feeling
21:24is chosen, for example, crossing the south
21:26from Bandung to Kertajati Airport,
21:28then turning south to Purwokerto,
21:30Yogyakarta, Solo,
21:32even to Surabaya, that's for sure
21:34from the cost side will be higher
21:36Mas Pras, because one will pass
21:38the mountainous area where
21:40the construction will be more complex and
21:42cost higher and also the distance
21:44will be further, but here at least
21:46on the south side, it will be able
21:48to increase,
21:50move economic growth in
21:52cultural cities and tourist destinations
21:54like in Yogyakarta and
21:56Solo. Because the development of
21:58tourism is also one of the
22:00priorities
22:02in this country.
22:04But the drawback is
22:06that it can reduce productive
22:08land or agricultural land
22:10because Java will become a
22:12swamp. If you go through the north,
22:14what will it be like, Mas? Through the north, it will pass
22:16from Kertajati Airport to
22:18Semarang and Surabaya.
22:20There are several industrial areas
22:22on the north side, such as Batang
22:24industrial area, Debrebes industrial area,
22:26Batang industrial area in Tupan that can
22:28develop with that fast train.
22:30The second is through
22:32economic growth in cities like
22:34Pesisir, like Tegal, Pekalongan, Semarang
22:36things like that. But one thing that
22:38must be studied is the abrasion or
22:40carving on the north side of Java
22:42is also so fast
22:44that it is necessary to consider if the route
22:46through the north and also
22:48yesterday Japan was given an offer
22:50for a medium-speed train.
22:52What if China gets
22:54hit by a typhoon twice
22:56by China, for example,
22:58like that. Well, then,
23:00Mas Pras mentioned earlier, the most important
23:02factor is the cost factor,
23:04Mas Ian, and also the financial factor.
23:06Besides what I mentioned earlier, the demand factor.
23:08Well, how about Jakarta, Bandung
23:10only, right now the operational cost
23:12is also still a concern for
23:14villages to be closed and also for
23:16repayment of loans to China
23:18Development Bank. How about
23:20later if extended to Surabaya,
23:22surely the
23:24investment costs are much higher.
23:26Are you sure APBN will not
23:28be used at least
23:30as a guarantee or participation in
23:32state capital? I think it's too
23:34naive if we
23:36say from the beginning that it doesn't involve
23:38APBN or purely business to business
23:40because even now
23:42the government is also willing to
23:44back up this fast train. So
23:46I think the cost factor and
23:48this investment is really
23:50clear from that team.
23:52That's it, Mas Kira.
23:53Well, that's it. It looks like there are still a lot of houseworkers,
23:55even though this is still a research stage and we hope
23:57that the research is really comprehensive and
23:59very thorough to calculate
24:01both in terms of time,
24:03then the cost and benefits, of course,
24:05for the people and villages
24:07that will be passed by this Jakarta-Surabaya
24:09fast train. Mas Adi, thank you very much
24:11for your time. Thank you, Mas Pras.
24:13Okay, see you again.
24:15Well, viewers, don't
24:17run away from your place. We will still
24:19have other interesting topics waiting for the continuation of the program
24:21Illirisasi Pemerintah Baru.