"Mera Mashwara Hai Kay Bani PTI Say...", Mohammad Malick Told Everything

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00:00 I will start with you because you are a foreign office and you are in charge of national security.

00:06 What was the urgency?

00:09 Prime Minister is also out of the country.

00:11 Foreign minister has to be made deputy prime minister.

00:14 So, he could have been notified even after coming back.

00:16 One was Sunday and the other was being out of the country.

00:18 What was the urgency behind this?

00:21 I think this is a mystery.

00:24 You are right. What was the urgency behind this?

00:30 He could have been notified even before coming back.

00:35 This news might be surprising for many people.

00:39 But it is not surprising for me because

00:43 there were some issues that were already happening

00:47 since the time when he was ignored as finance minister.

00:51 As far as I know, his conduct as a foreign minister

00:56 is still in the hands of the finance ministry.

00:59 He did not feel like he was in the hands of the state.

01:02 He felt that he should have been made finance minister.

01:06 Even while as a foreign minister,

01:08 I know that he still meets the officials of the finance ministry

01:13 and the people of the FBI.

01:15 Because he has been the finance minister of Pakistan for a long time.

01:19 So, he still has connections.

01:23 So, he still meets the officials of the finance ministry

01:26 and they keep taking inputs from him

01:30 regarding the finance ministry and economic policies.

01:33 So, it is clear that he did not accept the decision.

01:36 Now, what I have understood is that

01:39 he still wants to play a role somewhere.

01:43 So, he has been accommodated.

01:46 He has been made the deputy prime minister

01:49 and elevated his status.

01:51 Because when he was made a foreign minister,

01:53 he was demoted.

01:55 The most key question is that

01:57 as deputy prime minister,

01:59 there is a possibility that there could be a power struggle

02:02 because as deputy prime minister,

02:04 although there is no position of deputy prime minister in the constitution

02:07 and neither is it mentioned about his mandate,

02:09 but because his status will be above all other positions,

02:12 he will interfere in the economic policies of the country.

02:16 This is my question.

02:18 Because in the previous edition,

02:20 we saw that Ishaq Dar used to operate as deputy prime minister.

02:25 As a late back approach of the Prime Minister,

02:29 Ishaq Dar used to look after all the operational matters.

02:33 So, technically, I will frame the question in such a way

02:36 that Ishaq Dar, Mohsin Naqvi and Mohammad Aurangzeb

02:40 are his immediate bosses.

02:43 It is a very unfortunate thing

02:45 when a country of 25 crores

02:47 is running for the satisfaction of 2-3 people's ego.

02:51 What Kamran was saying is very simple.

02:54 Ishaq Dar was not happy when he did not get the finance minister.

02:58 He was also not happy that the future Aurangzeb

03:02 will be a senior banker,

03:04 will be the president of the bank.

03:06 But he is not interested in politics.

03:09 He has come to his level,

03:11 he has become a cabinet colleague.

03:13 So, obviously, when he took the position of deputy prime minister,

03:16 he went above the protocol.

03:18 Even though the powers are not yet defined.

03:20 This is simply after making some amendments to the cabinet rules.

03:24 He is not the first deputy prime minister.

03:26 But the first deputy prime ministers were in very unusual circumstances.

03:29 When Nusrat Bhutto Sahiba was there,

03:31 you know the situation of that time,

03:34 the issues of Benazir and his,

03:36 then they were replicated.

03:38 Then, Parvez Ali Sahib was there in a time,

03:41 again, unusual circumstances.

03:43 He was an ally, people's party, political upheaval.

03:46 Do you do these things to make allies or to make them very happy

03:51 or are you in a desperate situation?

03:56 Look, two things have happened here.

03:58 One is that the message of Nawaz Sharif has come very clear.

04:02 That what people used to say and it used to happen many times,

04:05 that Nawaz Sharif Sahib is not in power, he is finished, he is out.

04:09 Now either Maryam will run or Shabazz Sahib will run.

04:13 One message came very clear from this appointment of his,

04:16 that Nawaz Sharif Sahib is fully in the saddle

04:19 and his words are being spoken in a complete way.

04:22 And whenever Nawaz Sharif Sahib has authority,

04:25 then the biggest beneficiary is Shahid Jadhav Sahib.

04:28 But I think that today, by becoming deputy prime minister,

04:31 whether the rank has increased or not,

04:34 but today Shabazz Sharif Sahib's rank has become very small.

04:37 And I frankly, I might sound harsh,

04:41 but I feel that de facto deputy prime minister will be Shabazz Sharif Sahib

04:47 and you will see all these powers,

04:52 how Dars Sahib will exercise.

04:55 Do you think that Dars Sahib will be a very hands-on deputy prime minister?

05:02 No, no, he is not that. He is a man like my way or the highway.

05:05 He does not tolerate anyone's intrusion.

05:08 When there was a PDM government and he was finance minister,

05:11 so even the prime minister could not ask him.

05:13 And Shabazz Sahib is very much from inside, he walks with him.

05:17 But I thought that Shabazz Sahib also has the idea that

05:20 this will be his second and last prime ministerial term.

05:23 I thought he would be thinking about his legacy.

05:26 He will do some things that everyone will remember me.

05:29 I will step out of the shadow and do this work, do two things.

05:32 And the biggest thing is that I am surprised that

05:36 we are being given the impression on the record of the record

05:41 that everything that is happening in this government

05:44 is happening with the full approval of the establishment.

05:48 If the state of approval is such that such appointments are to be made,

05:52 then my advice to the establishment is that you should talk to Mr. Khan.

05:56 I want to take this point a little further.

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