'Dance Moms' Stars JoJo Siwa and Chloé Lukasiak Discuss Trauma Bond Relationship E! News
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00:00 It really is a trauma bond whether that be a good trauma or a bad trauma.
00:04 It's interesting, there's such like a like weird sister dynamic.
00:09 Like I personally never knew these three, right?
00:13 But like I feel like in the first ten minutes of being on set of the reunion,
00:17 we all were like, "Alright, we've been through the same thing."
00:19 Like we all can relate in a way.
00:21 It's a trauma bond.
00:22 It really is a trauma bond whether that be a good trauma or a bad trauma.
00:26 You know what I mean?
00:27 It doesn't necessarily mean it's a negative thing but it,
00:30 there's just such like a, what's the word?
00:33 Like a familiarity?
00:35 Yeah.
00:36 There it is.
00:37 Yeah.
00:38 It's a really strong foundation.
00:40 And like I was saying yesterday, like I could go ten years without seeing any of them
00:44 and I'd see them and I'd be like, "Oh, nothing has changed."
00:47 Because when you go through something like that,
00:51 you create such a strong relationship.
00:53 But you just completely understand each other, you know?
00:55 Like I've seen all--well, not you, but like clips of you.
00:58 Everyone at their worst, everyone at their best,
01:01 and you just have--you understand people in such a deep way
01:04 that you don't really get to experience a lot of people.
01:07 So--
01:08 And something that nobody--unless you've been in it and done what we've done,
01:12 you don't get it.
01:13 So it's something that we're always going to have.
01:16 You know, we're always going to be like that.
01:17 We know what each other went through.
01:18 And our parents are the same way, I feel like too.
01:20 Our moms are the same way.
01:21 Same, exactly.
01:22 They're like high school girls.
01:23 They call each other with everything.
01:25 They're like, "Oh my god, I just got a new car."
01:27 And I'm like, "Oh, no, no, no, no."
01:29 Yeah, it's just--it's a family thing.
01:31 I mean, I feel like we even talk to each other's mothers.
01:33 People don't even realize how close we are.
01:36 So I always think it's funny when people write so many negative things
01:39 about us and our relationships with each other
01:41 because we are all so close
01:43 and everything that other people say doesn't matter
01:45 because we've gone through so much together.
01:47 Our moms, us, everything.
01:49 10, 15 extra moms, extra sisters, even their dads.
01:53 I'm like, "Well, you're basically like my second dad."
01:55 Their brothers are like my brothers.
01:57 It's just a really big, dysfunctional but amazing family.
02:00 Well, that isn't it yet.
02:01 Emphasis on dysfunctional.
02:03 It's hard to talk about the stuff that we went through.
02:06 What do you guys think she was like in prison?
02:08 I've cried more today than I have on most episodes of Dance Mom.
02:11 See, I can't say the same.
02:12 Why are you always crying?
02:14 It was actually really therapeutic.
02:16 It made me realize I should probably go to therapy.
02:18 [laughter]
02:20 But it was really incredible because I got to look back as an adult
02:24 who is like a fully formed human,
02:28 and I have my own identity now, so I look back,
02:30 and I'm honestly just really grateful.
02:32 I can't stop expressing my gratitude
02:34 because every moment that I experienced on the show
02:37 shaped who I am today, and I'm really proud of who I am today,
02:40 and that wouldn't have happened without that particular competition
02:44 that was kind of manufactured between us.
02:47 And the negativity and the positivity and all of it,
02:50 so it brought up a lot of emotions,
02:53 and I think I kind of finally realized what it is about the experience
02:56 that was so difficult for me,
02:58 but half of the battle is just kind of recognizing
03:01 what you need to work through,
03:03 and then working through it is a little bit easier.
03:05 I feel like as a kid I was pretty naive.
03:07 I was not actively aware that it was happening.
03:10 I was kind of always just trying to prove myself to my dance teacher.
03:13 I was always like, "Why don't you like me? I don't get it. I'm doing my best.
03:16 Why do you not want me to win so badly?"
03:18 So it wasn't until I was an adult that I was like,
03:21 "Oh, that was out of my control."
03:23 I could have done the absolute best job in the world,
03:25 and it still wouldn't have been enough,
03:27 so there's nothing I can do about that.
03:29 That's more so about other people than it is about me.
03:32 I think we're all on our own journeys,
03:34 and so whether we're all ready to come together
03:36 and talk about what we went through or not,
03:38 we're still kind of working through it.
03:40 It's up to our own discretion, but the girls here,
03:42 we were clearly ready to face some things,
03:44 so we worked through that.
03:46 I mean, there's not really any fights we had to resolve
03:48 because we don't really fight, but yeah.
03:51 I think--yeah, I mean, we still keep in touch,
03:54 and I see her occasionally, and like I said,
03:56 she's still one of my sisters as well.
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