Bakhabar Savera with Faisal Karim and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 08th May 2024

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Bakhabar Savera with Faisal Karim and Sadaf Abdul Jabbar | 08th May 2024
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00:08:59 clear to me. So this is clear as daylight, all the facts are clear. So after one year,
00:09:04 to say that there will be a Judicial Commission, I think it's a delaying tactic to divert things.
00:09:08 And Mr. Nashik Dally, a statement has also been made by that party, because when it was
00:09:14 said that the responsible should be punished otherwise our justice system will be questioned.
00:09:21 And our constitution is very clear, that where have boundaries been set already. But when
00:09:25 Asad Qaisar Sahab said that these people should openly apologize, which he did in the 9th,
00:09:32 he says that we do not even apologize to our father, so how is the question of apology
00:09:37 raised here. So do you think this matter can go towards further confrontation?
00:09:42 Look, this is a stance of confrontation from the beginning. Because the one who has advised
00:09:48 on the 9th that you should apologize through social media against institutions and from
00:09:55 that institutions will come under pressure and you will get some kind of relief. So I
00:10:01 think this is their very big nonsense. Because the institution has an ethos, it has a cohesiveness
00:10:07 and a pride. And that institution does not want anything else. It is just the defense
00:10:14 and internal security. For that, there is a lot of effort day and night. There are protests
00:10:21 happening. You are seeing today the TTP's threat that is raising its head and every
00:10:26 day there are operations in KP. And there is also a sign on that side that this conviction
00:10:31 rate, you see that how many terrorists of TTP are there. So this also raises a question
00:10:38 on our entire criminal justice system that if we are not able to deal with it, then we
00:10:45 need to look at which sides. There is no police capacity, there is no civil administration
00:10:52 writ, the criminal justice system is not working, so how far will an institution get attached
00:10:59 and stop it by making sacrifices. This is the need of the whole of the nation effort.
00:11:05 And this is the reason why we are seeing a lot of violence and violent crime. This is
00:11:12 also the thing, this is the analogy. Because if you start a cult worship on political differences
00:11:19 and you will not understand where the limit is, where the red lines are, what is the responsibility
00:11:26 of the government. And if you set fire to the government property on the request of
00:11:33 a person or on the instigation of a leader, you will not think what is the celebration
00:11:40 of martyrdom. So then this is a complete spread and in any society the spread is the biggest
00:11:46 threat to your internal stability. So it will not be tolerated in any case. Whoever
00:11:51 put them on this line, I think he has done a lot of disservice to the party. And the
00:11:58 army as an institution, a very clear situation has come forward. And all institutions should
00:12:05 see that. Absolutely. Mr. Rashid, as you pointed out and the translator himself said
00:12:11 the same thing, that whether it is the matter of Chinese engineers or anything related
00:12:17 to the events of destructions in Pakistan, the taunts of Afghanistan and the obvious
00:12:22 things that are going to shake the bones of the neighboring country, India, are absolutely
00:12:27 clear. Now it is time for all of us to know our responsibilities well and start fulfilling
00:12:33 them. As you said, increasing the police capacity and the active participation of the civil
00:12:39 administration in these areas. If we do not do this in the same way, then we will not
00:12:44 be able to move forward and the obvious thing is that how long will one country carry so
00:12:49 many things forward? Yes, absolutely. You said a very good thing. If this series of
00:12:54 discrimination continues and this is a fifth generation warfare, in the domain of information
00:12:59 warfare, there are external forces that are spending a lot of money on it and they want
00:13:04 to create a new generation of information warfare through social media and other mainstream
00:13:09 media as well. And the rumor mills are churned. You heard yesterday that DGI-HPR had a question
00:13:14 from them that you are giving birth to Americans in Balochistan. So they refused it straight
00:13:19 away and gave clarity. Now, these kinds of rumors, their purpose is that there is a lot
00:13:24 of disinformation in the media and the media is not able to do anything about it. So, the
00:13:29 whole thing is happening on social media. We need to see how we should regulate it as
00:13:44 a responsible nation. By the way, they have already started thinking about it in the West.
00:13:57 There is a debate about how social media is fragmenting society, limiting their thinking,
00:14:03 what effects are being had on Gen Z. Their clinical psychologists, firewalls, digital
00:14:10 responsibility, limiting platforms, limiting age, usage, all these things are being discussed
00:14:17 there. So, our society is not at the level of education anyway and we are also at risk.
00:14:23 So, we need to look at this issue.
00:14:28 Thank you so much, Rashid Wali Janjua.
00:14:31 We sometimes share such stories with you, which we read and see. We ourselves, in our
00:14:40 society, we have taken our preferences, choices and preferences so high, whether it is in
00:14:46 the matter of work or in the matter of our food or choosing a partner. We have made so
00:14:53 many obstacles in our path that we have to face them. But sometimes there are people
00:15:00 who tell us that if you want to make a relationship, then this show is not necessary for it. Because
00:15:10 when the goal and the path are one, then it happens that first two people become doctors
00:15:18 together, then they become partners for life and dream of doing civil services and that
00:15:24 too is made shameful by hard work. I am talking about this couple.
00:15:30 Such a beautiful picture.
00:15:32 Yes, and believe me that many of our boys or girls, they think that they will do it
00:15:38 with a medal. Very few. We only hear this in movies that let's make progress together.
00:15:44 Let's make our lives together. We have seen this beautiful example.
00:15:47 Absolutely. This is a new approach. Because now the world we are living in, if both of
00:15:53 them lift the burden of life together, especially financially, then a lot can happen. But it
00:16:02 is very rare that people have a common ground. Usually their interests are the same. So how
00:16:10 is their story unique? What brought them to one place and how did they pass these tests,
00:16:17 the CSS exam and passed with good marks. And after succeeding in the exam, Dr. Huzaifa
00:16:24 Aurangzeb chose the police department, while Dr. Hajra chose the Inland Revenue Department.
00:16:29 Wow.
00:16:30 So in every journey of life, Dr. Huzaifa Aurangzeb and Dr. Hajra are with us. We have already
00:16:38 introduced them. Thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations to both of you. First
00:16:45 of all, tell us how you met? Were your interests the same when you were not married? Or did
00:16:54 you have this thought during the journey and then the matter went to marriage? So tell
00:17:00 us how you met each other? Dr. Aurangzeb, you start first.
00:17:05 Thank you so much for inviting us. So it is like this, both of us are the graduates of
00:17:11 Ayub Medical College. And our basic schooling, I am from Abbottabad Public School and Ma'am
00:17:19 is from Armyburn Hall College. So when we came to Ayub Medical College, a government
00:17:25 sector college, we saw that there were no opportunities for students there. And both
00:17:30 of us, we were debaters and Ma'am was interested in poetry, I was interested in fine art. So
00:17:35 we made a society in Ayub Medical College that is known as Ayubian Literary and Arts Forum.
00:17:40 So we worked a lot there and we got our ideas. So that is why we decided to make our family
00:17:48 involved and Alhamdulillah they were very supportive throughout our families. So that
00:17:55 is why we got married early. So this was our story. Then we supported CSS. In February
00:18:03 2023, we got our exam. Then we had interviews in November and just a few days ago, we got
00:18:09 the final result and Alhamdulillah both of us were allocated.
00:18:13 Okay, now Ms. Hajra you are also present and Sir has called you a prisoner, although
00:18:19 he is in police services himself. But maybe there is a little bit of a stain of inland
00:18:23 revenue on him that you are also not less than anyone in your religion, of this group
00:18:27 also. But tell me that you all have the same educational background and course mates and
00:18:34 all. So who proposed this marriage thing first? And women nowadays see that the next
00:18:42 person should be well settled. You all were doing the same thing of the same age group.
00:18:47 Didn't it occur to you that first this person should settle, then I should get married
00:18:52 etc.
00:18:53 Sir, it is like this that we got married a long time back. Our engagement was in second
00:19:02 year MBBS and Huzaifah was in third year MBBS. It happened at that time. So the thing
00:19:08 is that we knew that their goals, means my father says that the power couple is those
00:19:14 whose goals, motivations and journeys to achieve those goals are shared. So we knew that
00:19:22 the destination we see and the path through which we want to achieve that destination
00:19:27 is aligned with us, it is the same with us. And that is why when our engagement also
00:19:32 happened, after that we did MBBS with distinction, we got different awards, even
00:19:36 we got selected for Prime Minister Innovation Award, KPK Innovation Award was given to us
00:19:41 by UNDP, KP Government, BBC mentioned it once. So we have a lot of, I mean we have an
00:19:45 NGO on mental health, it is working internationally. So we achieved those things which we
00:19:50 never thought of alone. And then we knew that we both have to do CSSP, we used to make
00:19:56 notes together, we used to give each other marks, we used to check each other's outlines.
00:20:01 So this means that the journey was such that we facilitated each other.
00:20:05 I would like to know that becoming a doctor in MBBS is a very difficult phase, you have
00:20:09 to study a lot for it, after that you have to do CSS, so whose idea of CSS exam came
00:20:15 first? These two are different fields, so how did you come to this side of becoming a doctor?
00:20:20 You became a doctor.
00:20:22 Ma'am, as I told you that we both had come from a very good school in our city, I was
00:20:29 from Army Burn Hall, he was from Ayub Abbotabad Public School and we had always been in ventures,
00:20:35 debating, writing and different creative activities, extra curriculars. When we came to Ayub
00:20:41 Medical College, though it is a very good medical college, but it is of public sector, so obviously
00:20:46 we did not find those opportunities so prevalent there, so we said that we will create. So
00:20:53 we created 2-3 societies for children, for ourselves to create opportunities, so there
00:20:59 we saw that from the very beginning, in the first year, second year of MBBS, the way we
00:21:04 were creating impact, then it went to a higher level, we worked for Khwaja Sara, for ACID
00:21:09 victims, worked with big organizations, got awards, so we saw that we get more acknowledgement
00:21:14 in leadership roles, we have more potential in it, we can create more impact. So we said
00:21:20 that we should choose a similar career, we gave CSS and I think it is a sign of destiny
00:21:26 that you should have come here, so you made the right choice.
00:21:31 Okay, now see, MBBS is a different test, you guys did that very well, then CSS, its preparation
00:21:41 and its stages, you guys did that as well. So, tell us a little about this journey, especially
00:21:47 when you were doing CSS, helping each other in that journey, because its preparation is
00:21:52 so difficult and people must be asking that when both could go in the same department,
00:21:58 then why did they choose different departments?
00:22:01 Okay, in terms of helping each other in preparation, we benefited a lot from each other because
00:22:09 we used to test each other daily and help each other, so in that you know that the other
00:22:17 person will criticize you without any reason and will appreciate you where there is appreciation
00:22:22 required. Similarly, in the phase of our interview preparation, we used to give each other daily
00:22:27 mocks, so our preparation used to be very good, as far as departments are concerned, the allocation
00:22:34 of departments is on merit, so we got this Alhamdulillah department and we think that
00:22:39 the two big problems in Pakistan at this time, one is security problems and secondly, there
00:22:45 are issues of revenue generation, so the work of the police is crime prevention and crime
00:22:51 investigation, so through that we can help resolve the security issues and the revenue
00:22:58 generation comes under the Inland Revenue Services, so we can promote the peace and
00:23:04 prosperity together wherever we are posted, remaining in these two departments.
00:23:09 Okay, Aurangzeb sahib, tell me that work-life balance is very important and if both husband
00:23:16 and wife work like this, then it is very difficult to give time at home, how do you manage this
00:23:23 and secondly, is there a debate in your house that who should earn more or the one who earns
00:23:30 more will have an upper hand, how do you resolve these issues?
00:23:34 As far as work-life balance is concerned, we have seen many difficult stages in our career,
00:23:41 Hajra opted for a house job in Islamabad and I was in Abbottabad at that time, so that
00:23:48 was a very difficult stage, she had 30-30 hours duties and during that time our preparation
00:23:55 was also going on, my house job was over, I was a senior for a year, so she was managing
00:24:00 her preparation with her, so it was very difficult, then there was a stage that I used to do two
00:24:06 jobs at a time, in the morning I used to teach in a medical college, in the evening I used
00:24:11 to do a clinical job, so I was not at home from morning to evening, so a long distance
00:24:17 thing, we already have an idea of how it happens and the most important thing is that mutual
00:24:23 trust and respect should be for each other, if I am in the hospital or in the college,
00:24:29 then I know that there is someone who is just a call away who I can rely on and the same
00:24:34 was the case with Hajra and this is why our things have been going in good harmony, money
00:24:40 has always been our second priority, our relationship should always have a good quality,
00:24:46 so these things rarely come in our discussion and Alhamdulillah our families support us
00:24:52 a lot in this thing and they never bother us.
00:24:56 Alright, you said a very good thing, the quality of relation is very important, Hajra tell
00:25:01 us that it is obvious that you have become government officials and I don't know where
00:25:06 your postings are, both are in the same city, if it happens in the future that your posting
00:25:11 is different and yours is somewhere else, then how will you handle this thing?
00:25:16 Sir, definitely such a time will come, because our specialized training will be in Lahore
00:25:24 and Huzaifah's will be in Islamabad and in the future also your spouse policy is necessary,
00:25:30 it facilitates you to government, but obviously it will also happen that we will have to stay
00:25:36 away from each other, but as he said that there have already been times in our relationship
00:25:41 when I had 30 hours of duties, Huzaifah used to come at 8 in the morning and I used to have
00:25:46 a smooth time, we have even prepared for exams with her, our journey was a roller coaster
00:25:51 of emotions, when I was on a lot of lows, Huzaifah used to buffer, when Huzaifah was
00:25:56 on her lows, if I was in a stable mood, I used to facilitate her, so I think partnership
00:26:01 is that even if you are far away, you are available for each other, and the other person
00:26:07 realizes that if I am completely alone in the world, then if someone is miles away from
00:26:12 me, I will call him, then he will come to my back somehow, support me, will not leave me
00:26:18 alone, so I think we have become so used to this thing that we will do it, God willing,
00:26:24 this is the hope.
00:26:25 God willing, it seems from your words, you have said a very beautiful thing that if you
00:26:31 want to do it, then you can work out a lot of things.
00:26:34 Thank you so much Dr. Ajra and Dr. Anzeb, good luck to both of you, in your life journey,
00:26:39 as you say, you have been successful in your exams, so be successful in life exams too.
00:26:44 Absolutely, now we are taking a break, after that we will be back again, stay with us.
00:26:48 Right, so before going on the break, we were talking, one of the officers went to the police
00:27:03 service, so we will talk about the police, but now I am telling that we all say that
00:27:08 Karachi police needs a lot of training, and we say that get it done from somewhere else,
00:27:13 do you know who will give training to Karachi police?
00:27:18 Who will give?
00:27:19 You have seen in movies, NYPD, they have such big shiny badges, and such good uniform,
00:27:25 they do all the work in 2 minutes, now training will be given to Karachi police, New York
00:27:30 Police, NYPD, I have only seen it in movies, and now I am telling them to give it to NYPD.
00:27:36 Wow, this proposal has been done, and we have met with New York Police Department officers
00:27:43 from the New York Police Department, not only the decision has been made, but also the meeting
00:27:47 has been done, and New York Police says that there is a lot of cooperation between New York
00:27:51 and Karachi, if I, if the Minister of Police would have said this, he says this in many
00:27:56 things, but think that New York Police is saying that 10% of the crime victims affect
00:28:03 90% of the people, which needs to be tackled in a new and modern way, what can be that
00:28:09 new and modern way?
00:28:11 Then NYPD will tell what are those new and modern ways, but Murad Ali Shah says that
00:28:15 like New York Police, now Sindh Police should also use technology, please go on, I don't
00:28:23 know, something came to my mind, I want to say something, I think, let's hope, let's
00:28:30 pray that New York Police teaches our police, they don't learn anything from our police
00:28:37 and go, because then the matter will become very serious, the cooperation, then it will
00:28:41 be a very good type of cooperation.
00:28:43 Is there any raw area in New York?
00:28:45 Raw area?
00:28:46 Is there any raw area in New York?
00:28:48 Is there an Islam area?
00:28:49 Yes, there can be an Islam area.
00:28:50 So, anyway, now see, a lot of effort is needed to control the crimes, and the Karachi
00:28:56 area has been the target of this incident, and not only this, but the proposal to train
00:29:01 the officers has been accepted by the Prime Minister.
00:29:03 Think, New York Police has proposed it themselves, what a thing!
00:29:06 Obviously, it is a cooperation, right?
00:29:08 It is a cooperation, both meet each other, they are sister cities, and in the last few
00:29:11 days it was also said that Karachi is better than California, so let's do it like this,
00:29:14 Karachi is better than California and like New York.
00:29:17 Wow, what a thing, we were underestimating this whole incident.
00:29:20 Anyway, you mentioned raw area, so in the area of raw area, a separate issue has been
00:29:26 made, so for this also, you find a specialized police, find out all over the world, and they
00:29:31 will also be very interested.
00:29:33 Okay, when we talk about Karachi, then the problem of Karachi is that crime is the biggest,
00:29:38 street crime is very high.
00:29:40 So, the robbers who rob the cities of Karachi, and the robbers who rob the cities of Karachi
00:29:45 and the merciless robbers who rob their lives, now they are looking for new ways to escape
00:29:50 the law.
00:29:51 In the city of Karachi, the sale of weapons has been discovered online, till now we were
00:29:56 hearing that the munishyat is being sold, it is being sold online, but now the weapons
00:30:01 are also being sold online, and the dealers of weapons are connected with the street crime
00:30:06 group through different social media platforms, they stay in touch, and the sale of weapons
00:30:11 is being done.
00:30:12 The confession of this has also been made, the CTV had caught a gang, and its employees
00:30:17 have discovered that this kind of online business is going on, and the investigation that the
00:30:22 Chief Justice of the Mahatma Gandhi government had done a few days ago, after the investigation,
00:30:27 the three criminals who were selling weapons online were also arrested.
00:30:30 It has been said that they are connected with Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, even before this, we
00:30:34 had told you in our show that weapons come from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, it comes here only
00:30:39 at the bus stops, and one person comes with it, he gives it and leaves, there is no stop
00:30:44 or stop.
00:30:45 And the weapons that are coming in KBS are also coming from Afghanistan, so if we see
00:30:49 its taunts again, then it is also coming from Afghanistan.
00:30:52 Our representative Aqsal Khan is present with us, let's talk to him.
00:30:55 So you tell us, we have shared some details, what more has been found from the investigations
00:31:00 that have been done so far, some specific things have been found, which are the social
00:31:05 media accounts, where these people are more as a user.
00:31:10 First of all, the CTD, the people of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa police, were involved in the smuggling
00:31:17 of weapons, they were arrested red-handed, and keeping in mind the information that they
00:31:23 received, the CTD also arrested three criminals who were selling weapons online during an
00:31:30 investigation, and obtained information from them.
00:31:33 It has been found that whether they are street criminals in Karachi or people who are interested
00:31:40 in keeping weapons, they can buy weapons online, you can contact them online at night and make
00:31:46 a payment, and in the morning the weapons reach you.
00:31:50 And in all these cases, there have been evidence of government employees being involved, CTD
00:31:56 has said that they are working on this further so that the involved people can be arrested.
00:32:03 Approximately 70% of the weapons used in Karachi for crimes are illegal, and illegal weapons
00:32:12 come to Karachi in the same way.
00:32:15 In the past, when the investigation unit or the district police caught the accused, when
00:32:22 the investigation was also done, it was mostly said that gang war or other criminal groups
00:32:29 give weapons on rent, after the incident, the accused gives a share of the money obtained
00:32:37 from it to the person who provides the weapons.
00:32:41 But now that trend has changed, now the purchase of weapons is being done online, on social
00:32:48 media, on various websites, there are ads on social media, after which the people who
00:32:54 are interested in the weapons are on social media platforms.
00:32:58 Afzal, tell me, this is what they ordered online, and then you are telling them to order
00:33:03 at night, it comes to them in the morning, how is the delivery?
00:33:06 They bring it themselves, they deliver it to your gate, and online it is that you involve
00:33:10 a third party for the delivery, how do they deliver it?
00:33:13 Look, we have received evidence of sending weapons through couriers, in the past, the
00:33:20 biggest courier company has been involved twice, and sensitive institutions are investigating
00:33:27 in this regard, apart from that, involvement has come forward or negligence has come forward
00:33:33 that it could not detect?
00:33:35 Yes, absolutely, now they are negligent, absolutely, and the institutions implementing
00:33:42 the law are working on it, and as a result of this entire investigation, these revelations
00:33:48 are coming forward, the accused are also being caught, more accused in this network are also
00:33:53 being investigated for their arrest, not only CTD Sindh, but also in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
00:33:58 and other provinces, sensitive institutions and the CTD wings are working so that this
00:34:03 network can be ended, it is being said that they bring weapons from foreign countries
00:34:08 here, just like the smuggling of drugs, the same way the smuggling of weapons is also
00:34:13 happening, and in this, there is a real network, the police are working to arrest them, and
00:34:18 the trend of selling weapons online has started, on this too, the CTD and sensitive institutions
00:34:25 have made a plan to work with the FIA, because the real smuggling of weapons is happening
00:34:32 here, and the real smuggling of weapons is happening here, and the real smuggling of
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