Khawar Ghumman analysis on 9 may incident
Khawar Ghumman analysis on 9 may incident
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00:00So let's talk about all this.
00:02Islamabad Bureau Chief Khawar Ghumman has joined us.
00:05Khawar, thank you so much.
00:06And as we are talking about 9th May today,
00:09it is definitely remembered as a black day in the history of Pakistan.
00:14Whatever happened a year ago,
00:16and after that, the statements that we are seeing,
00:19the statements of PTI so far,
00:21I would like you to comment on that.
00:23Because DGISPR has been told to apologize.
00:27So obviously, it could be a matter of moving on.
00:30So do you feel that their reconciliated tone,
00:34the way Bainaat is guiding PTI in various interviews?
00:39Look, the problem here is that
00:42there is no doubt that the incidents that took place on 9th May,
00:46all across Pakistan,
00:50all the political parties,
00:54condemn the incidents that took place.
00:56And they were condemnable incidents.
00:59And no country can tolerate such incidents.
01:03Obviously, we have seen the political situation of Pakistan in those incidents.
01:10We observed it over the past year.
01:13So obviously, we have to move forward.
01:15Now your question is how to move forward?
01:18What did you learn? How to move forward?
01:21The statements that you have made on both sides,
01:24the extreme positions that we are hearing,
01:27but one thing that is understandable is that
01:30we have seen all over the world,
01:33and in human history,
01:35you see that there is a big war and a big fight.
01:38You have to sit at the negotiating table and make arrangements.
01:44Obviously, we have seen that Pakistan is suffering.
01:48There is no political stability in Pakistan.
01:51As long as there is no political stability,
01:54the economy will not prosper in Pakistan.
01:57Those challenges will remain.
01:59And all our friendly countries,
02:01Saudi Arabia, China,
02:04and the rest of the Western world,
02:06the whole world is giving us the same advice,
02:09that if Pakistan wants to move forward,
02:11then there is a need for political stability in Pakistan.
02:14It would be better if our politicians
02:17sit and talk on the parliament level,
02:20sit outside the parliament and talk.
02:23And the opposition and the political parties
02:26will have to sit and talk.
02:29If they keep fighting like this,
02:32they will keep expressing themselves like this,
02:35then there will be political instability in the country.
02:39The rest is absolutely right.
02:41As you said,
02:44whoever has done something wrong,
02:47the courts are present,
02:49and the courts have to take immediate action
02:53after the prosecution.
02:55So whoever has done something wrong,
02:57whoever has evidence against anyone,
03:00he should be punished according to his crime.
03:04And as soon as this incident happened,
03:09as I said, they condemn the incident.
03:15But Mr. Khawar, tell me one thing,
03:18the opposition leader is saying that
03:20the government will only talk,
03:22the Prime Minister has the power,
03:24even if he is from Besakhi.
03:26Similarly, Ali Muhammad Khan said
03:28that the government or the political parties
03:31will talk,
03:33but when it comes to talking to the political parties,
03:36he said that the three political parties
03:39are a part of the government,
03:41we will not talk to them.
03:43So if they are not ready to talk,
03:45then who will they talk to?
03:47How will this dialogue happen?
03:50Look, in this regard,
03:52being a political commentator,
03:54I see that,
03:56as I told you a little while ago,
03:58if they want to clap,
04:00they will clap with both hands,
04:02not with one hand.
04:04On the other hand,
04:06the extreme positions that I have taken,
04:08they will have to step back a little.
04:10And after stepping back,
04:12they will have to listen to each other
04:14and talk to each other.
04:16Because if they continue to fight like this,
04:18there will be no dialogue,
04:20whether it is the opposition or the government,
04:22then the matters will not move forward.
04:24And the political parties
04:26of the DGISPR conference
04:28should talk to each other.
04:30And the Pakistan Army
04:32should talk to each other.
04:34And of course,
04:36the government has power.
04:38The government gives
04:40some confidence-building measures.
04:42Some such steps are taken.
04:44And I think
04:46there should be reciprocation
04:48from the other side as well.
04:50Look, the solution is
04:52that they should talk.
04:54If they keep fighting like this,
04:56then we will not be able to
04:58let me interrupt you, Mr. Khawar.
05:00They should talk.
05:02Now, Faisal Wafda also says that
05:04there is a mischievous group in the PTI.
05:06He has adopted a criminal act.
05:08And the PTI people
05:10want Bani
05:12to stay in jail.
05:14Now, we saw some demonstrations of this in the past few days.
05:16Some are saying that there is a committee.
05:18Some are saying that there is no committee.
05:20Some are saying that we will have negotiations.
05:22Some are saying that we will not do it at all.
05:24I do not even want to repeat the word
05:26on the statement of apology.
05:28So,
05:30talking to the other parties
05:32is one thing.
05:34But how will we reach the other parties
05:36until we get our house in order?
05:38Look,
05:40the question arises
05:42that there is a communication gap.
05:44Whoever comes in,
05:46meets us.
05:48We have already talked about this.
05:50He comes and says that
05:52this was also said by Bani PTI.
05:54Bani PTI has said this.
05:56Access to Bani PTI is limited.
05:58You get two days to meet
06:00and that too with limited people.
06:02So, the message
06:04that is conveyed
06:06through Bani PTI
06:08is expressed in its own way.
06:10Look,
06:12there is a devilish group
06:14in a political party.
06:16They do not want to talk.
06:18There are some people
06:20in all political parties.
06:22You can see in PM Alliance
06:24such statements
06:26that it seems
06:28that they do not want the government to run.
06:30But ultimately,
06:32the responsibility
06:34will have to be shown.
06:36The point is
06:38that by doing this,
06:40the reaction or the action
06:42that is being seen,
06:44especially from the opposition
06:46or the government,
06:48can these matters run in the same way?
06:50My question is that
06:52the country cannot improve.
06:54You can ask anyone.
06:56Political parties will keep fighting
06:58because when people from outside come,
07:00what is the biggest challenge for us?
07:02The biggest challenge for us is the economy.
07:04The economy of Pakistan is
07:06under debt.
07:08We need investment from outside.
07:10We need investors.
07:12When investors come to your country,
07:14sometimes you are fighting in Lahore,
07:16sometimes in Karachi,
07:18sometimes in Islamabad.
07:20Last year,
07:22the reason for this situation
07:24is that a volatile
07:26type of politics has been happening in our country for a long time.
07:28Let's not say
07:30that last year or two years
07:32or two and a half years,
07:34this type of politics is going on in the country.
07:36If we want to move towards improvement,
07:38can this initiative be taken by the government?
07:40These statements are coming.
07:42Can the Prime Minister take a step forward?
07:46Look,
07:48I am seeing
07:50in the politics of Pakistan
07:52that all the political parties
07:54are part of the parliament
07:56at this time.
07:58Any political party,
08:00Ajay Zahid, Fazlur Rahman,
08:02all the leaders of PTI,
08:04Pakistan People's Party,
08:06Noon League,
08:08MKM,
08:10all political parties
08:12are in the parliament
08:14in the Senate, National Assembly,
08:16Punjab Assembly,
08:18Balochistan Assembly.
08:20They are present there.
08:22They are present in large numbers.
08:24We should have hope
08:26that this democracy,
08:28whatever it is, will move forward.
08:30And when the democracy moves forward,
08:32then we have to talk.
08:34And the hope is
08:36that in the way
08:38we see every day,
08:40there should be some development.
08:42There is no life without it.
08:44If you look at any television channel,
08:46any television program,
08:48when it comes to politics,
08:50this is what is being said there.
08:52If there is
08:54any other way,
08:56then it should be told.
08:58And we will also talk about it.
09:00No, there should be no discussion at all.
09:02There should be a full-fledged fight.
09:04And then whoever wins,
09:06it does not happen.
09:08It will harm the country.
09:10It is already harming.
09:12What I am saying is that
09:14they will have to sit together
09:16and find a solution.
09:18If anyone has done anything wrong,
09:20then he should be punished
09:22according to the laws of Pakistan
09:24and the rest of the country should move forward.
09:26Because the country will move forward
09:28only when the economy is stable.
09:30We have seen in the last few days
09:32the arrival of Saudi investors,
09:34then Iran's visit,
09:36and other such visits.
09:38Pakistan's economy
09:40is moving in the right direction.
09:42But until this political stability
09:44is not there,
09:46these things will not be peaceful.
09:48Because foreign investors and companies
09:50are also seeing that Pakistan
09:52has now become politically stable.
09:54I am saying that
09:56any investor in the world,
09:58today there are international organizations,
10:00consultancy firms,
10:02people take assessments from there
10:04that if we want to invest in Pakistan
10:06or invest in any country,
10:08how is the environment there?
10:10Will my investment there
10:12be safe?
10:14As you saw yesterday in Lahore,
10:16there was an incident.
10:18When such images
10:20go around the world,
10:22what is the reason for this?
10:24Obviously,
10:26no investor invests
10:28in such an environment.
10:30Especially if you want
10:32international investment,
10:34it is very important that
10:36the rating of Pakistan
10:38in terms of political message
10:40is very good.
10:42One more thing,
10:44DGISPR
10:46in a press conference
10:48said something very important.
10:50They said that
10:52those responsible for 9th of May,
10:54if they are not punished,
10:56then no one's reputation
10:58and life will be safe.
11:00President Mubarak
11:02also said
11:04that those responsible
11:06should be brought under the law.
11:08Decisions should be made.
11:10This raises a big question
11:12in terms of justice system.
11:14Do you think it is necessary
11:16to move on?
11:18This factor is also very important.
11:20As you can see,
11:22the case is already in the Supreme Court.
11:24And
11:26the free and fair investigation
11:28that will take place,
11:30as I said before your question,
11:32if someone has done something wrong,
11:34and there is evidence,
11:36then the court will consider
11:38the accused as a criminal.
11:42If he is punished,
11:44then the prosecution
11:46will punish him
11:48and the case will move forward.
11:50The justice system of Pakistan
11:52should be looked at
11:54and considered.
11:56As soon as possible.
11:58If an accused
12:00is found innocent,
12:02then he is found guilty.
12:04It doesn't matter who he is.
12:06On one occasion,
12:08you and I were also accused.
12:10You went to the courts
12:12for an investigation.
12:14Obviously, you move forward
12:16according to the law.
12:18So, as soon as possible,
12:20the cases that are going on
12:22in the courts,
12:24after a fair investigation,
12:26as per the law,
12:28and during the press conference
12:30of the HPR,
12:32I think the only way is
12:34to close this chapter as soon as possible.
12:36Obviously, it has to be decided
12:38according to the law of Pakistan.
12:40This is the best way.
12:42Yes, things should move forward
12:44according to the law of Pakistan.
12:46Thank you so much, Mr. Qawar Guman.
12:48Thank you for being with us.