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00:00 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.

00:02 Today is 9th May.

00:04 It's been a year since 9th May,

00:06 which changed the situation in Pakistan,

00:08 the direction of politics,

00:10 everything.

00:12 It was the day when Imran Khan was arrested,

00:14 and then the incidents happened.

00:16 The incidents were of the nature that

00:18 the arrest of political leaders in Pakistan

00:20 is a practice which was not done for the first time.

00:22 But the reaction was certainly

00:24 done for the first time when the Corps Commander House,

00:26 GHQ,

00:28 Askari Tower,

00:30 and some other places,

00:32 people went to many places,

00:34 and some places were set on fire,

00:36 stones were thrown,

00:38 and what not.

00:40 The question of today's program is that

00:42 in the last year, a lot has changed in Pakistan.

00:44 8th May was a different map,

00:46 in the country, from a political point of view,

00:48 and from that 9th May to today's 9th May,

00:50 it is a completely new landmark.

00:52 The question is that this next year,

00:54 one year after 9th May,

00:56 will it bring a new landmark?

00:58 The real question is that

01:00 will the direction of politics of Pakistan,

01:02 which has changed after 8th May,

01:04 will it return to the U-turn,

01:06 or will it continue on the same path?

01:08 First of all, you saw the press conference

01:10 of the Army of Pakistan,

01:12 two or three days ago.

01:14 See what the Army Chiefs have planned today.

01:16 They are very meaningful,

01:18 and again, I believe that

01:20 such statements are very rare.

01:22 They have commented on social media,

01:24 and what did he say?

01:26 "The enemy forces and their leaders

01:28 are using lies, fake news

01:30 and propaganda

01:32 to carry out digital terrorism."

01:34 As far as I remember,

01:36 this is the first time that

01:38 the Army Chief has made such a statement.

01:40 It is clear that people are doing this and that

01:42 on social media,

01:44 spreading anarchy,

01:46 terrorism,

01:48 the Army Chief has given the title of

01:50 "Digital Terrorism",

01:52 and he is the leader of the Army Chiefs.

01:54 What did he say?

01:56 "The armed forces and the people of Pakistan

01:58 are trying to create a divide.

02:00 The support of the people

02:02 will fail to

02:04 overcome the challenges of these forces.

02:06 With full force and

02:08 targeted actions,

02:10 the enemy of Pakistan

02:12 has been given a chance to make fun

02:14 of the state and the people."

02:16 What did he say further?

02:18 "Now, the same conspirators

02:20 are trying to make fun of the state

02:22 by using propaganda.

02:24 Here, it is clear that the PTI is being pointed out.

02:26 The army chief has said that

02:28 he himself has attacked

02:30 and now he is saying that the attack was on us.

02:32 He himself has been unjustified and now he is saying

02:34 that we have been unjustified.

02:36 So, it is being said that the same conspirators

02:38 are trying to make fun of the state

02:40 by using propaganda.

02:42 Further, it is clear that

02:44 the black box of history

02:46 cannot be compromised

02:48 nor can it be a deal."

02:50 Do you remember that we were talking about

02:52 the situation of the past few days?

02:54 We were saying that there can be no compromise

02:56 nor can there be a deal.

02:58 Then, the next part is very important.

03:00 "Some people could not understand

03:02 the political objectives of the criminal elements

03:04 and the conspirators

03:06 have made them their

03:08 source of desires."

03:10 Some people, as I am saying,

03:12 have become a part of someone else's conspiracy

03:14 and someone else's bad intentions.

03:16 They did not want to do this

03:18 but they became a part of it unknowingly.

03:20 Those people who have been

03:22 brought to the Supreme Court

03:24 have already been given the benefit of doubt.

03:26 They have been dismissed from the Supreme Court

03:28 and from the side of Pakistan.

03:30 But now, what has been said?

03:32 The real leaders of this

03:34 conspiracy,

03:36 they have been made their source of desires.

03:38 But now, they are saying that

03:40 the real leaders of this conspiracy

03:42 have been showing themselves innocent.

03:44 Now, they will have to pay for their crimes.

03:48 "The 9th of May plan will be

03:50 to bring the criminals

03:52 to the court of justice

03:54 according to the national law."

03:56 The last line is also very

03:58 strict.

04:00 "The daily

04:02 harassment of the English people."

04:04 Obviously, there is a hint here that the statements

04:06 that come on social media or sometimes

04:08 like that. "The daily harassment

04:10 of the English people

04:12 is not a weakness

04:14 to not punish them."

04:16 If we are not responding to it on a daily basis,

04:18 then it should not be considered as our weakness.

04:20 And what is the last sentence?

04:22 "Our patience should not be

04:24 considered limitless."

04:26 If we are expressing restraint,

04:28 if we are expressing patience,

04:30 then it should not be considered as limitless.

04:32 "The amount of patience

04:34 can be limitless."

04:36 "After completing one year of 9th May,

04:38 such harsh words coming directly

04:40 from the army chief is very

04:42 rare and it also tells

04:44 a lot about the future

04:46 scenario."

04:48 With us, Pakistan Muslim League

04:50 Noon and Pakistan Tariq-e-Insaf

04:52 have two leaders present.

04:54 The senior leader is a coordinator

04:56 of the Prime Minister of Pakistan,

04:58 Mr. Rana Ihsan Afzal.

05:00 Sir, thank you very much.

05:02 The second senior leader is also there.

05:04 He joined PTI later.

05:06 But of course,

05:08 he is a senior leader and

05:10 a senior lawyer as well.

05:12 Mr. Salman Akram Raja.

05:14 I am very thankful to both of them.

05:16 Salman sir, I will start with you.

05:18 Although we have

05:20 asked this question many times.

05:22 The reason I want to ask you

05:24 is that I want to know your opinion on this.

05:26 Because you are not one of the

05:28 leaders of Tariq-e-Insaf.

05:30 You came when some of the incidents

05:32 took place.

05:34 Now you are standing openly with them.

05:36 You are commenting on the merits

05:38 of the people who are right

05:40 and who are wrong.

05:42 Do you also have an opinion

05:44 that on 9th May,

05:46 because some people are openly saying

05:48 that our people left the country

05:50 and went out of the buildings.

05:52 After that, the establishment

05:54 has put their temples and

05:56 made them attack so that they can be defamed.

05:58 You also keep an eye on politics.

06:00 Do you really think

06:02 that this is what happened?

06:04 Do you think that people left

06:06 and the crowd was mishandled?

06:08 You should punish the people

06:10 who are from PTI but not the entire community.

06:12 There is a difference between the two.

06:14 What is your opinion on this?

06:16 Look, I think

06:20 both the things are true to some extent.

06:22 Some people

06:24 may have committed

06:26 a crime.

06:28 Trespassing in a building

06:30 or entering a place

06:32 and breaking it,

06:34 setting it on fire,

06:36 these are crimes and their punishment

06:38 has been given in the law.

06:40 If it is one year, two years,

06:42 three years, then those punishments

06:44 can be given to 30, 40, 50, 100 people

06:46 and should be given.

06:48 But was this matter

06:50 an attack on the state?

06:52 Were there any other elements

06:54 involved who increased

06:56 this incident

06:58 or tried to take advantage of it?

07:00 This is a different matter.

07:02 PTI demands

07:04 transparency.

07:06 It should be a mission

07:08 that looks at all matters with transparency.

07:10 If you look at the report

07:12 of Don Akhbar in the 9th,

07:14 it is very interesting.

07:16 He has recorded the statements

07:18 of the eyewitnesses.

07:20 Don Akhbar has raised

07:22 many questions in this regard.

07:24 So, this is a final matter

07:26 that there is no

07:28 doubt about.

07:30 It is not like that.

07:32 I am saying this with complete sincerity.

07:34 I have no connection

07:36 with any political affiliation.

07:38 But the people

07:40 I have spoken to,

07:42 I have seen many cases,

07:44 people come to us

07:46 as lawyers,

07:48 as questions.

07:50 So, all these things

07:52 require me to look at this matter

07:54 with impartiality

07:56 and transparency.

07:58 So, this is a position

08:00 that there is nothing

08:02 hidden, everything is transparent.

08:04 There is no need for any research.

08:06 I will not be able to agree with it.

08:08 I think it is necessary.

08:10 We should see what happened that day.

08:12 And Mr. Salman,

08:14 I expect this from you

08:16 and you have also said

08:18 that your opinion may differ,

08:20 but I expect and you also express

08:22 that you are right and wrong.

08:24 I will go with your current political party's opinion.

08:26 Before I go to Mr. Rana Ehsan,

08:28 one more question.

08:30 Do you think that the state

08:32 can afford this?

08:34 After 9th May, there was a slight defamation

08:36 in the state's part, not a good name.

08:38 Those things which were considered untouchable

08:40 were broken.

08:42 So, to achieve this goal

08:44 that a political party has to be crushed,

08:46 they themselves have made attacks

08:48 and brought this defamation in their part.

08:50 Do you understand this?

08:52 In the history of the state,

08:54 the state has been full of

08:56 the intervention of the state

08:58 and the political parties.

09:00 But is it necessary to make them

09:02 attack their own people

09:04 so that the defamation comes to the party

09:06 and then the party is crushed?

09:08 I said this because

09:10 it is not that nothing happened.

09:12 Something did happen,

09:14 but how much and how far it happened

09:16 is something worth considering.

09:18 And see, what happened after 9th May,

09:20 thousands of people were made accused

09:22 but thousands of people were not involved.

09:24 Just like in 6 cities,

09:26 one person was made accused

09:28 and one time the incident was

09:30 blamed on the people,

09:32 this is absolutely clear that

09:34 an incident took place

09:36 but they also tried to take advantage

09:38 of that incident.

09:40 I will also make it precise.

09:42 The whole matter went on.

09:44 According to your opinion,

09:46 was this a false flag or not?

09:48 See, people went for the protest

09:50 and during the protest

09:52 there was a riot.

09:54 How many people did that riot?

09:56 To what extent?

09:58 This is their place.

10:00 But did other elements get involved

10:02 and they increased it?

10:04 This is a matter

10:06 that I do not have any explanation for.

10:08 It is necessary to look into this.

10:10 A commission must be formed for this.

10:12 CCTV footage should be brought to us,

10:14 not just in Toto.

10:16 CCTV footage was obviously

10:18 in places where

10:20 CCTV was present.

10:22 Be it the commander's house or any other place.

10:24 So, if a commission is formed

10:26 for all these matters,

10:28 it will decide what CCTV footage

10:30 tells us and what it does not tell us.

10:32 So, it is not clear

10:34 whether you call it a false flag or not.

10:36 See,

10:38 in this,

10:40 it is felt that

10:42 it is a false flag.

10:44 It is not that

10:46 nothing happened.

10:48 Obviously, people went there.

10:50 Some of them

10:52 may have gone inside the buildings.

10:54 But, in conclusion,

10:56 we have not yet come across a legal decision

10:58 as to who has committed what crime.

11:00 The military courts that have decided

11:02 in closed rooms,

11:04 we do not have any record of that.

11:06 The cases in the anti-terrorism courts

11:08 have not yet been decided on

11:10 on the basis of testimony.

11:12 We cannot say that

11:14 this person set fire,

11:16 this person broke the pot,

11:18 this person did what.

11:20 Until all these cases are decided

11:22 with transparency,

11:24 there will be a doubt.

11:26 I will come to you again

11:28 and ask you a question.

11:30 The institution is also complaining

11:32 that if 50,000 people have not done anything,

11:34 then nothing has been done.

11:36 They are not being punished.

11:38 It has been a year since the footage was taken.

11:40 If it is handled wrongly,

11:42 then people are not bothered

11:44 about the actual incident.

11:46 People get a chance to say,

11:48 "Look, it is not there."

11:50 If this has happened in 2009,

11:52 then practically,

11:54 how many people will be involved?

11:56 50, 100, 100, 200?

11:58 But thousands of people have been arrested.

12:00 So, many people have been arrested.

12:02 Then what is this?

12:04 Or if someone has done it,

12:06 then how can a press conference

12:08 be a reason for this?

12:10 These are not the things

12:12 that give your opponents a chance

12:14 to say, "Look, this is wrong,

12:16 everything is wrong."

12:18 In the name of Allah, the most Gracious, the most Merciful.

12:20 First of all,

12:22 this was not an isolated incident.

12:24 Even before this,

12:26 when the police went to arrest

12:28 Khan Sahib in Lahore,

12:30 he had a very aggressive reaction.

12:32 His workers said a lot of things

12:34 to the police.

12:36 Before we go into history,

12:38 you saw that on PTV,

12:40 Radio Pakistan,

12:42 and Parliament,

12:44 there was a lot of talk.

12:46 I will remind you of another incident.

12:48 When there were a lot of riots in Madinah,

12:50 Khan Sahib did not condemn it.

12:52 Then in London,

12:54 where Mian Nawaz Sharif's office was,

12:56 there was an aggressive atmosphere.

12:58 So, this

13:00 aggressive

13:02 polarization and hatred

13:04 was completely

13:06 brainwashed.

13:08 This incident,

13:10 where the people were taught

13:12 that if the red line crosses,

13:14 then God knows what will happen.

13:16 Then, in 10 different cities,

13:18 in 10 different cities,

13:20 on the military institutions,

13:22 I am from Faisalabad,

13:24 where the ISI office is inside.

13:26 You went there too,

13:28 tried to break the doors and enter.

13:30 The important aspect of what you said

13:32 is that when justice is delayed,

13:34 then you get a chance

13:36 to propaganda.

13:38 What do you think?

13:40 It is strange that the army is saying

13:42 why the people who were punished

13:44 did not get punished.

13:46 The PTI itself, Salman Khan,

13:48 and Rai Sahib are saying that

13:50 they did not get punished.

13:52 Why are no one's decisions being made?

13:54 The people who have footage,

13:56 their voices,

13:58 their decisions are being made.

14:00 The other issue that should be or should not be there,

14:02 and the judicial system

14:04 that generally runs in Pakistan

14:06 with a strict system,

14:08 this has provided an opportunity.

14:10 These are the reasons.

14:12 There are different elements in it.

14:14 There will be a responsibility of prosecution.

14:16 All these things need to be reviewed.

14:18 Today, at least,

14:20 in the cabinet meeting,

14:22 the Prime Minister gave the same indication

14:24 that they should be expedited

14:26 and ensured that if someone is innocent,

14:28 he should be released.

14:30 Will there be any legislation

14:32 in the near future?

14:34 India has been included in the last election.

14:36 Will there be any legislation soon

14:38 to ensure that the people of New Mexico

14:40 get their punishment soon?

14:42 One thing that has been discussed

14:44 is that there should not be any legislation

14:46 that is retrospectively applicable.

14:48 The current laws should be followed

14:50 according to the current laws.

14:52 If there is a legislation now,

14:54 it will not have any implications

14:56 on the people of New Mexico.

14:58 In the case of Capitol Hill,

15:00 the same kind of attack was carried out.

15:02 But the 1100 cases that were filed there,

15:04 they gave punishments to 400 to 500 people.

15:06 The master planner who was found

15:08 in the case was given a 14-year sentence

15:10 and someone was given a 10-year sentence.

15:12 When you did not give a punishment

15:14 to anyone for a year,

15:16 and someone should have been acquitted

15:18 and punished,

15:20 when that did not happen,

15:22 then the people of New Mexico

15:24 were saying that this was a false flag

15:26 and this was a London plan.

15:28 You are also saying that

15:30 the judicial commission should be formed.

15:32 Multiple evidence is present

15:34 in the form of video and audio.

15:36 25 crore people witnessed that whole day.

15:38 They say that this is incomplete evidence.

15:40 Salman Akhund Rai sir said that

15:42 we want videos, but not in pieces.

15:44 We do not want small clips.

15:46 We want complete videos.

15:48 This is what the PTI party is saying.

15:50 They are saying that the PTI party

15:52 is saying that some videos are missing.

15:54 They are saying that

15:56 the videos of the people

15:58 who are working inside are missing.

16:00 Which videos are missing?

16:02 Videos will be presented in the courts.

16:04 When the trial will be conducted,

16:06 they should be presented there.

16:08 But overall,

16:10 there were so many interviews

16:12 when they were taking things

16:14 out of the house.

16:16 How happy they were,

16:18 how right they were

16:20 to take things out of the house.

16:22 They have forgotten.

16:24 Their workers have shared

16:26 200 videos in different places.

16:28 When they came to know what happened,

16:30 they celebrated it.

16:32 Then Mr. Khan said on the premises

16:34 of the court that if they are arrested again,

16:36 this will happen.

16:38 This is the question.

16:40 Were there no leaders arrested earlier?

16:42 Was Shabaz Sharif arrested?

16:44 Was Nawaz Sharif arrested?

16:46 Was Khakha Nawazi arrested?

16:48 This kind of reaction was pre-planned.

16:50 This was all done

16:52 under a systematic

16:54 and well-planned plan.

16:56 It was a very sad incident.

16:58 But I will repeat the important point.

17:00 You are opposing this case.

17:02 I will go to Mr. Salman.

17:04 You are opposing the judicial commission.

17:06 That would mean further delay.

17:08 That would mean further delay.

17:10 Now the cases have reached

17:12 70-80% or 90%

17:14 near the finish line.

17:16 Now you should start

17:18 working from a new perspective.

17:20 These cases should be expedited.

17:22 If they are being given by the prosecution,

17:24 then expedite it.

17:26 If they are being given by the judiciary,

17:28 then expedite it.

17:30 Overall, these things should be

17:32 given as a conclusion.

17:34 Mr. Salman, all the people

17:36 who have been clearly accused,

17:38 even if they are related to someone,

17:40 their punishment has not been revealed yet.

17:42 Who do you think is responsible for the delay?

17:44 Why hasn't the case been filed yet?

17:46 Both you and the prosecution are doing it.

17:48 So, who is responsible for this?

17:50 The entire judicial system

17:52 at the trial court level

17:54 has been under control.

17:56 People were not given bail for 8-10 months.

17:58 They were given in 4 cases.

18:00 6 more cases were made.

18:02 As soon as they were released from jail,

18:04 they were caught.

18:06 Police, judiciary, everyone was working together.

18:08 Then the children were sent to remand.

18:10 Then the children were sent to remand.

18:12 Then the cases were filed in Lahore.

18:14 Then the case was filed on Sanam Javed in Mianwali.

18:16 The entire system was set up

18:18 to punish people.

18:20 The fact that no one was given freedom

18:22 usually means that they are bailed.

18:24 He is absolutely right.

18:26 But the final punishment

18:28 has not been revealed yet.

18:30 Complaining that the judicial system

18:32 was a hindrance

18:34 is a completely wrong thing.

18:36 I am putting it in the form of a question

18:38 in front of you.

18:40 I am putting it in the form of a question

18:42 in front of you.

18:44 I understand one reason for that.

18:46 You have accused them of terrorism.

18:48 You have accused them of terrorism.

18:50 You took them to the anti-terrorist courts.

18:52 It is very difficult to prove terrorism.

18:54 It is very difficult to prove terrorism.

18:56 To say that someone has broken a pot

18:58 is a terrorist.

19:00 Or that someone has entered

19:02 a building is a terrorist.

19:04 It is very difficult to prove terrorism.

19:06 It is very difficult to prove terrorism.

19:08 It is very difficult to prove terrorism.

19:10 I don't know who set the fire.

19:12 I don't know who is clearly accused.

19:14 We saw that a sofa was burning

19:16 in the courtyard of the core commander's house.

19:18 We saw that a sofa was burning in the courtyard of the core commander's house.

19:20 But who was the one who set it?

19:22 These are the cases that are not being revealed.

19:24 CCTV footage is not complete.

19:26 And when these cases will be revealed

19:28 and the courts will move towards

19:30 the final decision of the case,

19:32 then these things will become important.

19:34 Mr. Rana, you were saying that which footage is missing.

19:36 I was saying that

19:38 there is a missing link

19:40 in which someone has given air to all of them.

19:42 And there is no footage of that.

19:44 Mr. Rana.

19:46 I think

19:48 it is possible

19:50 that someone has the footage

19:52 and he has not uploaded it.

19:54 Whenever these things are going on in the trial court,

19:56 whenever these things are going on in the trial court,

19:58 definitely this uncovering will be happening there.

20:00 But I think

20:02 there are dozens of clips

20:04 which have a clear cut

20:06 of how it is being celebrated,

20:08 how it is being dressed,

20:10 how it is being said.

20:12 Before the attack,

20:14 that if Khan is not there, then Pakistan is not there.

20:16 GHQ is being instructed to go there.

20:18 Jinnah is being instructed.

20:20 So I think

20:22 there is enough evidence.

20:24 And the videos that are being talked about,

20:26 I am sure

20:28 I am not sitting in the cases,

20:30 but they will be presented there.

20:32 And these things will be based on evidence.

20:34 And this approach

20:36 that was taken by Mr. Salman,

20:38 before 9th May,

20:40 or on the day of 9th May,

20:42 that this is on record,

20:44 the leader is saying,

20:46 we will go to GHQ,

20:48 we will go to the core commander house.

20:50 You can say, who said to set fire?

20:52 But to go there,

20:54 or Mr. Imran Khan himself saying that

20:56 when the commandos will catch me,

20:58 then people will go out of these men,

21:00 then this will happen.

21:02 Was this approach right in your opinion?

21:04 There is nothing wrong in this approach?

21:06 Look, I will not say anything about this.

21:08 Look, to go somewhere for protest,

21:10 is a right.

21:12 You can protest peacefully,

21:14 anywhere.

21:16 So that there is no lack of peace,

21:18 and the people do not have any difficulty.

21:20 So to that extent, it is right.

21:22 But you see, what happened before 9th May?

21:24 Before 9th May, there is a very big date in front of us,

21:26 which is a shameful date.

21:28 It is the date of the anniversary of the independence of Pakistan.

21:30 You have repeatedly

21:32 violated the constitution of Pakistan.

21:34 You said that we will not have elections.

21:36 When the assemblies were scrutinized,

21:38 the courts said, the Lahore High Court said,

21:40 the Supreme Court said that the constitution

21:42 is a requirement, it is a duty,

21:44 that we all have elections on the 90th day of the morning assembly.

21:46 Al-Al-Ilam was said that

21:48 then we will not let the court itself have elections.

21:50 So it was a very big,

21:52 you can say,

21:54 it was such a deed,

21:56 that it seemed that there was no legal,

21:58 legal way left.

22:00 I will never support

22:02 setting fire,

22:04 breaking it, absolutely not,

22:06 it should not happen at all.

22:08 But the mind-building that we are talking about,

22:10 all these actions are also included in that mind-building.

22:12 That is why we will have to see

22:14 with a very calm mind

22:16 that what were the elements

22:18 that were included in the mind-building.

22:20 And it may be that

22:22 it was instigated by someone,

22:24 but the continuous act of the constitution

22:26 is also a part of that mind-building.

22:28 Mr. Rana, you want to add something to this?

22:30 Look, I just want to give you

22:32 an example, you can compare it.

22:34 This is the same incident of Saudi Arabia

22:36 in Madinah, when

22:38 Shabaz Sharif and some

22:40 cabinet members went there,

22:42 Madinah, when the slogans of thieves

22:44 were put there in Madinah.

22:46 So at that time, the Saudi police

22:48 had arrested people and

22:50 about 18-19 people were arrested.

22:52 They had to raise slogans

22:54 on the premises of the police

22:56 and they were punished for 8 years.

22:58 And then they were

23:00 forgiven.

23:02 The people who were

23:04 raising slogans on the PTI side,

23:06 the entire network was unearthed.

23:08 Their WhatsApp messages were seen

23:10 as to how it was an organized

23:12 stage drama there.

23:14 But then Shabaz Sharif

23:16 also forgave them.

23:18 So you can compare this.

23:20 They punished for that.

23:22 Here, things were burnt,

23:24 the symbols of martyrs were broken.

23:26 And even now,

23:28 we are debating

23:30 because

23:32 all this debate exists

23:34 because no one was punished.

23:36 If there were a thousand people there,

23:38 then a thousand people would be punished.

23:40 If there was a criminal and there was evidence,

23:42 whether it was 10,000, 4,000 or 200,

23:44 if they would have been punished,

23:46 then this debate would not have existed.

23:48 But politics is being done on this.

23:50 This is happening only because

23:52 we have not reached to a decision.

23:54 I will speak as a lawyer.

23:56 Punishment becomes difficult

23:58 when you speak

24:00 something other than the truth.

24:02 If you are even speaking the truth,

24:04 if you say that this person

24:06 broke a pot, this person broke a TV,

24:08 this person broke a gate,

24:10 then you can punish them.

24:12 But if you try to prove

24:14 something bigger than this,

24:16 that this is a part of a big conspiracy,

24:18 they have committed terrorism,

24:20 their taunts are from someone else,

24:22 then you get stuck in a dilemma.

24:24 The crime for which you have accused,

24:26 how do you avoid proving it?

24:28 That is why matters take time.

24:30 If you tried to prove this crime

24:32 that he broke six pots,

24:34 then it would have been proved.

24:36 It would have been proven in two weeks.

24:38 But since you have taken the risk

24:40 of proving terrorism,

24:42 that is why you are facing difficulties.

24:44 This is one reason.

24:46 Otherwise, 20, 30, 40, 50 people

24:48 would have already been punished.

24:50 There was no problem.

24:52 Someone would have been punished for six months,

24:54 someone for a year,

24:56 someone for a year and a half.

24:58 You said this as a lawyer,

25:00 but explain to me that if the severity

25:02 of a few things is the same

25:04 in two different places,

25:06 then the severity does not increase.

25:08 For example, if someone slaps

25:10 someone while walking at night,

25:12 but that person is in police uniform,

25:14 does the severity of the issue increase?

25:16 Did you do this to a uniformed person?

25:18 Yes, it has increased.

25:20 In the same way,

25:22 you can set fire here and

25:24 the commander can do it there.

25:26 Yes, it has increased.

25:28 But if you put the blame that he set fire,

25:30 he broke pots, he slapped an officer in uniform,

25:32 then you can prove that.

25:34 It would have been difficult to prove that,

25:36 but you would have proved it

25:38 against 30, 40, 50 people.

25:40 Now, if the intention is to prove

25:42 against 10,000 people,

25:44 you can make cases all over the country

25:46 and make a story

25:48 that you cannot prove,

25:50 then this is what happens.

25:52 Things take a long time.

25:54 If we are honest

25:56 and put the blame to the same extent

25:58 and get the same amount of punishment,

26:00 then the matter can be resolved very quickly.

26:02 The problem is that the state

26:04 tries to do this.

26:06 This is what happens in general cases.

26:08 If one person has committed a crime,

26:10 then the entire family is filed an FIR.

26:12 Unfortunately, our system

26:14 of military prosecution

26:16 has been falsified.

26:18 It is understood that

26:20 if you do not want to make a small case,

26:22 then make a big case.

26:24 If you do not want to accuse one person,

26:26 then accuse ten people.

26:28 Because of this, things get stuck

26:30 and people get acquitted.

26:32 So, I am talking about this case

26:34 and this matter separately.

26:36 I am talking about my social life,

26:38 my courts, my system,

26:40 the punishment and punishment.

26:42 When we accept the truth,

26:44 things will be very easy.

26:46 When we move away from the truth

26:48 and increase things,

26:50 then the matter becomes difficult.

26:52 Let's make a quick comment on this.

26:54 I will take this debate to the next step.

26:56 For example, take a case study

26:58 of Sheikh Rashid.

27:00 He was not in the 9th May.

27:02 This is just one example.

27:04 Doesn't Rana Sahib

27:06 compare such cases to the case?

27:08 I agree with Rana Sahib.

27:12 But, this is not

27:14 a small matter.

27:16 You attacked the symbols

27:18 of the state institutes.

27:20 I agree with you.

27:22 Every case should be

27:24 in accordance with the crime.

27:26 This is definitely a factor

27:28 that he is talking about.

27:30 This is definitely a factor

27:32 that he is talking about.

27:34 There are many flaws

27:36 in our judicial system.

27:38 There are weaknesses

27:40 in the prosecution.

27:42 These things should be corrected.

27:44 Those who did not take part in this,

27:46 I don't know

27:48 if there are such people

27:50 or not.

27:52 If there are,

27:54 then they should not be there.

27:56 They should be released.

27:58 We should definitely reach

28:00 a conclusion.

28:02 What was your question

28:04 regarding Sheikh Rashid?

28:06 I was just quoting

28:08 as an example.

28:10 I don't think he was standing

28:12 outside a core commander house

28:14 or a military tower on 9th May.

28:16 He was not even in Pakistan.

28:18 He was also attacked.

28:20 I don't think

28:22 he was standing outside a core commander house

28:24 or a military tower on 9th May.

28:26 He was also attacked.

28:28 I don't think he was standing

28:30 outside a core commander house

28:32 or a military tower on 9th May.

28:34 I don't think he was standing

28:36 outside a core commander house

28:38 or a military tower on 9th May.

28:40 I don't think he was standing

28:42 outside a core commander house

28:44 or a military tower on 9th May.

28:46 I don't think he was standing

28:48 outside a core commander house

28:50 or a military tower on 9th May.

28:52 I don't think he was standing

28:54 outside a core commander house

28:56 or a military tower on 9th May.

28:58 I don't think he was standing

29:00 outside a core commander house

29:02 or a military tower on 9th May.

29:04 I don't think he was standing

29:06 outside a core commander house

29:08 or a military tower on 9th May.

29:10 I don't think he was standing

29:12 outside a core commander house

29:14 or a military tower on 9th May.

29:16 I don't think he was standing

29:18 outside a core commander house

29:20 or a military tower on 9th May.

29:22 I don't think he was standing

29:24 outside a core commander house

29:26 or a military tower on 9th May.

29:28 I will ask you two more questions.

29:30 I will ask you two more questions.

29:32 You said that we should either

29:34 fix the whole system.

29:36 I think, Salman and Anuj,

29:38 that the system will be fixed

29:40 when everyone will step back

29:42 and not speak the truth

29:44 about their own part.

29:46 When everyone will step back

29:48 and not speak the truth

29:50 about their own part.

29:52 When everyone will step back

29:54 and not speak the truth

29:56 about their own part.

29:58 But PTI used to issue

30:00 verdicts of treachery.

30:02 Imran Khan said this

30:04 in interviews and television.

30:06 If you criticize the army chief

30:08 then you are not a traitor.

30:10 Fawad Chaudhary used to say

30:12 that there are two people

30:14 who criticize the army chief.

30:16 Either Modi or Nawaz Sharif.

30:18 Today, you are not saying

30:20 anything to the army chief.

30:22 When your own matter is going well

30:24 then you are not saying anything

30:26 to the army chief.

30:28 When your own matter is going

30:30 bad then you are not saying

30:32 anything to the army chief.

30:34 I think, if everyone will

30:36 speak the truth about their own part

30:38 then the system will be fixed

30:40 when everyone will step back

30:42 and not speak the truth

30:44 about their own part.

30:46 Where will we stand in the next

30:48 9 months?

30:50 Let's discuss these two questions

30:52 before we leave.

30:54 If the system is to be fixed

30:56 then it will not be fixed

30:58 by just speaking the truth

31:00 about our part.

31:02 Our situation will improve

31:04 and the system will not be fixed

31:06 when everyone will speak the truth

31:08 and then we will move forward.

31:10 The reality is that

31:12 we are not moving

31:14 far from this ideal situation.

31:16 If you are healthy,

31:18 I will see you in the next episode.

11th Hour | Waseem Badami | ARY News | 9th May 2024

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