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00:00 You said that the government will be more powerful if they fall.
00:03 But what about the government's inaction?
00:05 Whatever the crisis is, does the government deliberately want us to sit aside and let them handle it?
00:13 Even now, if we look at the situation where there are big complaints from the courts,
00:19 they first looked at the government, but the government did not facilitate anything.
00:24 So are they sitting quietly and looking at the political side, that we will decide after the result comes?
00:30 Or is this not capacity? Or is this not political acumen?
00:36 See, the government has outsourced everything.
00:39 They have also outsourced Imran Khan's taming.
00:42 They know that we cannot deal, the People's Party cannot handle PMLN.
00:46 They cannot work with Imran Khan.
00:48 They have outsourced the institution.
00:50 They say, "It's good that Imran Khan's gun is with the institution, let the institution deal with him."
00:55 We cannot do it.
00:56 The same policy is being seen towards the judiciary.
00:59 That we cannot even deal with the judiciary.
01:01 Okay, they are doing pushback and they are saying the same thing, "intelligences" and so on.
01:05 Let them sort them out.
01:07 The question now is, to what extent will the institution go?
01:11 Will the institution clash with the judiciary and with them?
01:15 And if it does, for what?
01:17 To pick up their political baggage?
01:18 Because they are not seeing the delivery.
01:20 When you do all this, you think there will be governance.
01:24 There will be clarity of purpose.
01:27 Shahbaz Sharif is a hardworking man.
01:29 He is working hard.
01:31 But he is a weak man.
01:32 Just like a person was disliked in IMF, he was disliked in the PPP, he was not made the finance minister.
01:39 But he became the deputy prime minister.
01:42 And then all the apple cards went upside down.
01:45 Here, you can see the seriousness from here.
01:48 How much is the administrative cohesiveness, how much is the seriousness.
01:51 When you have some other issues, and here you create such offices and distribute them.
01:57 Which is for the family, for the ego.
01:59 It is a country of 25 crores.
02:00 Will this continue?
02:01 Nuclear power, country of 25 crores, 5th most populous nation in the world.
02:05 And what are we doing here?
02:07 Make him the deputy, make him this, give him the privacy commission.
02:10 Don't even take the finance minister.
02:12 Such countries do not work.
02:14 Such things cannot work.
02:15 And I think, the burden that this institution is carrying,
02:19 the institution will have to decide,
02:22 that this, what to say, this current design,
02:27 is this design viable to run like this?
02:30 Its political cost, its people's anger, everything,
02:34 this is a very big cost.
02:35 So I think, we will have to rethink.
02:38 And if it is rethinked, then I see the consequences for democracy as very dangerous.
02:43 Mr. Mazhar, when Mr. Malik is talking about the dangerous consequences for democracy,
02:47 then the other political parties will have to think about it too.
02:50 Tariq-e-Insaf is talking, but he is talking to those parties,
02:54 who were allies of the People's Party and PMLN under the banner of PDM in the past.
03:00 So, apart from the People's Party and PMLN, he is talking to all the political parties.
03:03 He is ready to talk to the JYF, there is a breakthrough expected.
03:07 In this whole situation, let's say, PMLN has a very direct confrontation for the throne of Punjab.
03:12 Can the People's Party play a role?
03:16 Do you think they will do it in the near future?
03:17 Or are they also sitting on the side and watching?
03:20 Because there is no big challenge in Sindh.
03:22 The problem is of Punjab, so let's see the problems of Punjab among themselves.
03:26 Look Maria, PTI has a massive vote support.
03:34 Organizationally, the weaknesses of PTI are also clearly visible.
03:38 Since the formation of the 6th Jamati Ijtihad, PTI has not been able to launch any movement.
03:45 They hold gatherings, where there is no permission for gatherings.
03:48 If there is no permission for gatherings, they go home quietly.
03:51 We have seen the movement and the fight in it, but that movement is not visible.
03:58 And a big reason for this is that the street power is either with PTI, JYF or the Jammat-e-Islami.
04:07 The Paktun Milliyawami Party does not have it.
04:09 The BNP Mangal does not have it.
04:11 There is limited support for it.
04:13 So, the challenges of running a country-wide movement are not visible.
04:19 Therefore, all their eyes are on the same thing.
04:21 There is strong media, social media.
04:24 Imran Khan's picture is leaked.
04:27 So, you can massively propagate it on social media.
04:32 They are reaching their voters.
04:34 They are telling everything to their voters.
04:36 But the movement is not visible on the street.
04:40 They say that they are running a movement, but the movement is not visible.
04:46 Now, the problem is that they are also seeing how this judiciary moves forward.
04:53 The case of six judges, what the Supreme Court decides in this, what the case decides in other cases.
04:59 So, the real thing is that this one and a half month, it is obvious that there will be an increase in PTI support.
05:09 It is IMF, then there is a budget.
05:11 These are all things that whatever tough measures are being taken.
05:14 And generally, the government creates crises.
05:16 It is doing it.
05:17 The wheat crisis has happened.
05:19 Now, PTI is getting support sitting at home.
05:23 But the problem is that the People's Party, Bilawal sir came for a while, he took Gandapur sir in his hands, then he disappeared somewhere.
05:31 Zardari sir is sitting inside our president.
05:33 He also has no active role.
05:35 Maria, the People's Party is probably trying to present itself as an alternate.
05:41 In the past, in 2021, Zardari sir and Chaudhary Parvez Rai sir had an agreement.
05:49 And you remember that it was the period when Chaudhary Parvez Rai and Imran Khan did not get along at all.
05:55 That is, they did not tolerate to see each other's faces.
05:58 But after that, whatever things have happened, they are in front of us.
06:01 But the situation is now, the People's Party is presenting itself as a better alternate for the future.
06:08 That they have their government in Balochistan, they have their government in Sindh.
06:12 They are trying to do it in Gilgit-Balochistan too.
06:17 So, it is presenting itself as an alternate of the Muslim League Noon.
06:22 But in Punjab, whatever the Muslim League Noon, even if it is very weak at the moment,
06:26 I think if the Muslim League Noon has a comeback, it will not be in the government, it will be in the opposition.
06:32 Yes, this is the thing.
06:33 Malik sir, the grand dialogue that Rana Sinhaullah is offering, is this a deflection?
06:38 Is this the same as they say, "I have talked about talking" or does PMLN really mean business?
06:43 No, they don't mean business.
06:45 In business, tell me one thing, what does Imran want?
06:48 Imran wants freedom.
06:50 His popularity is touching the sky.
06:52 And all the unpopular people, they keep on becoming more popular.
06:55 They have a power base of KP.
06:58 Do they get freedom?
07:00 More than that, they have minimum, that is minimum ask.
07:03 Now, if they are free, does PMLN suit them? Not at all.
07:06 Does PPLN suit them? Not at all.
07:09 Does PND suit them? Not at all.
07:12 So, their minimum ask is their maximum destruction, their politics.
07:16 So, what will be the offer?
07:19 In grand dialogue, there is give and take.
07:21 You will offer me something, I will give you a counteroffer.
07:24 Now, your minimum ask, if it is my political destruction,
07:28 let's go, they offer that you come out,
07:31 let the government run for a year or a year and a half,
07:33 you don't disrupt it,
07:34 so do they keep their politics deep?
07:36 They will not destroy their politics.
07:38 And the second thing is, there are personalities too.
07:41 We make everything a conspiracy of Zionists against Islam.
07:44 Everything is not like that.
07:46 Politics is very personal.
07:48 Ultimately, Imran Khan has a personality,
07:51 Nawaz Sharif has a personality,
07:53 Zardari Sahib has a personality, and so on and so forth.
07:56 Three people, which I had pointed out earlier,
08:00 three people are people who are very different in their own places.
08:03 Whether it is Imran Khan, or the Chief Justice of Pakistan,
08:06 or...
08:07 This is a personality clash too.
08:09 This is a personality clash too.
08:12 Here, they have to act against their personality grain,
08:16 if something is not resolved.
08:18 I see more confusion now,
08:20 what will they talk about in the dialogue?
08:22 They will not talk about the weather.
08:24 They don't have anything to offer.
08:26 And Imran is not in a position to accept what they have given,
08:30 they will not destroy their politics.
08:32 He is already in jail, what more can happen?