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00:00Game Show Network.
00:08Ladies and gentlemen, from New York City,
00:10Joe Garagiola!
00:22Thank you.
00:24Thank you very much, and welcome to To Tell the Truth.
00:26I have in my hand,
00:28obviously, a New York Times,
00:30and I want you to pay particular attention
00:32to this story right here.
00:34It's about the Empire State Building
00:36setting it afire
00:38at the 79th floor,
00:4013 dead, 28 hurt.
00:42Many of you may be surprised to learn
00:44that there was a day when
00:46the Empire State was struck with disaster
00:48in the form of a B-29 bomber,
00:50and it made headlines,
00:52as you well see, in the New York Times.
00:54Well, we'll meet a man.
00:56He's our first guest today,
00:58who wrote a book about it.
01:00He knows all about it, and we'll be talking to him,
01:02but first, as always, let's meet our panel.
01:04Here's Bill Cullen!
01:10Peggy Cass!
01:16Barry Nelson!
01:20And Kitty Kylar!
01:26Thank you.
01:32As always, when they come out,
01:34they have something to say, and Bill Cullen is right,
01:36I will tell you, because Peggy Cass came out,
01:38and she said, you're not supposed to be reading the paper,
01:40and the reason I was reading it, I said B-29,
01:42and Cullen came out,
01:44and he said it was a B-25.
01:46Maybe with inflation, it was a B-29,
01:48but it was a B-25
01:50that crashed in the Empire State Building,
01:52so we want to get that straight,
01:54Peggy Nelson is with us today,
01:56and we're happy to have you here, Barry, okay?
01:58Always good to see you.
02:02Now, let's meet the man
02:04who's going to tell us this terrible story.
02:14Number one, what is your name, please?
02:16My name is Arthur Weingarten.
02:18Number two?
02:20My name is Arthur Weingarten.
02:22My name is Arthur Weingarten.
02:24And it's up to you, panel,
02:26to uncover the real Arthur Weingarten,
02:28and here is his tale of terror.
02:30I, Arthur Weingarten,
02:32spent two years
02:34researching the events surrounding
02:36the crash of a B-25 bomber
02:38into New York City's Empire State Building.
02:40In heavy fog,
02:42the massive plane
02:44crashed into the 79th floor
02:46of what was then the city's tallest building.
02:48Let's look at a few
02:50photographs of the disaster.
02:52Flames and smoke
02:54can be seen on the building's south face.
02:56Chunks of stone
02:58and flaming metal rained down
03:00on the four corners bordering Fifth Avenue.
03:02The plane's
03:04motors and fuselage
03:06ripped an enormous hole in the building's
03:08outer wall.
03:10And here is a close-up
03:12view of a floor that buckled
03:14under the impact.
03:16I have written a book about that
03:181945 crash.
03:20It's entitled
03:22The Sky is Falling.
03:24Signed, Arthur Weingarten.
03:34And we'll have some questions,
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05:52now, these three gentlemen
05:54all claim to be Arthur Weingarten.
05:56He's an authority on the disastrous
05:58crashing of a B-25 bomber
06:00into New York City's Empire State Building.
06:02And Peggy, we're going to start with you.
06:04Number two, uh, where did you
06:06get your title?
06:08Where did I get mine? From Chicken Little.
06:10Thank you. And, uh, number three,
06:12what year did, in which year did this occur?
06:141945. Thank you.
06:16And, uh, number one,
06:18uh, my accountant is on the 79th floor
06:20of the Empire State Building. Is it safe?
06:22I mean, did they fix it up real good?
06:24I don't want to go visit him anymore.
06:26Yes, they fixed it up pretty good. Thank you.
06:28Uh, number three, how many people were actually
06:30killed that were in the building, not counting
06:32the plane? Eleven.
06:34Oh! And number two, what happened to the people
06:36that were on the elevators? They're always telling you how safe
06:38those things are. Well, actually,
06:40only two elevators were damaged, and only the elevator
06:42operators were in those two.
06:44And what happened to the elevator operators?
06:46Well, one dropped a thousand
06:48feet...
06:50and survived.
06:52Uh, the other one was very, very badly
06:54burnt, but he too survived.
06:56Well, number one, why would you be burnt in the elevator?
06:58Well, from the gasoline
07:00from the engine that slid across the floor.
07:02Oh, you mean the elevator...
07:04Let's go to Barry Nelson.
07:06Number three, uh,
07:08do you agree that a man fell a thousand feet
07:10and survived? No, I don't.
07:12It was a woman.
07:14I see.
07:16Uh,
07:18now, number two, why did you
07:20particularly take an interest in writing this book?
07:22Well, I was
07:24ten years old at the time, and
07:26my father was a fire marshal.
07:28And, uh, I happened to be
07:30at City Hall, uh, waiting to go
07:32to a party with Mayor LaGuardia.
07:34And, uh, the crash occurred, and, uh,
07:36my father raced up
07:38to the crash site, and I
07:40managed to get a ride up in the motorcade,
07:42and I was there about 15 minutes afterwards, and...
07:44Is this autobiographical, or...?
07:46Well, I'm sorry. It's just
07:48the way it happened, and, uh,
07:50it was just a sad thing to see,
07:52a horrible thing to see. It stood with me for a long time.
07:54Uh, number
07:56uh, three, uh, how many
07:58fatalities, uh, uh, how many injuries
08:00were there, aside from the fatalities?
08:0226 critical injuries.
08:04What is the difference between, uh, number three, a B-29
08:06and a B-25?
08:08Two engines and about, uh, 20 tons.
08:10Number one, what time of...
08:12And, and four numbers.
08:14Kidding.
08:16Uh, number one, how many people
08:18were killed in the plane?
08:20Three.
08:22How many people, number two, how many people were in the plane altogether?
08:24Three.
08:26Was it a pilot and two passengers?
08:28Well, actually, it was a pilot, uh, his engineer,
08:30and there was a, uh, another gentleman with him, another sailor.
08:32Ah, number three, was it a radar failure,
08:34human failure, or
08:36tower fa... What was it?
08:38It was a human failure. There was no radar at the time
08:40in the New York area. And what was the human failure?
08:42A, uh, pilot who wanted
08:44to go someplace and was, uh,
08:46going to get there hella high water.
08:48Oh, well, number one, where was he going?
08:50He wanted to go to Newark
08:52to pick up a, uh, an important, uh,
08:54officer. Uh, a fare?
08:56I'm sorry?
08:58A fare? I mean, a paid passenger?
09:00No, it was a military plane. It was an Army Air Force plane.
09:02Uh-huh. I see. Oh, so he wasn't, uh,
09:04the officer wasn't obviously paid.
09:06Ha, ha, ha.
09:08Ha, ha, ha.
09:10And let's keep
09:12this bombastic review moving.
09:14We go to Bill Cullen.
09:16Number three, the pilot made several fatal
09:18errors, one of which he turned
09:20left and headed due south
09:22after passing which body of water?
09:24After, uh, passing over the East River.
09:26Number one, what did he identify
09:28that body of water, which was
09:30in fact the East River, as?
09:32The body of land? The body of water.
09:34Oh, the body of water he thought was the Hudson.
09:36And thereby, being
09:38west of the Hudson, he turned south,
09:40uh, bound for Newark
09:42Airport, number one? He turned
09:44south because he thought he was over Manhattan Island.
09:46Naturally, he was over Wards Island.
09:48Uh, number three, the one
09:50passenger aboard, was that a
09:52military person? Yes, he was
09:54a sailor who had hitchhiked to arrive that
09:56morning to be at home with his parents in Brooklyn
09:58after getting word that his brother had been
10:00killed in the South Pacific the day before.
10:02Number three, on what day of the
10:04week did this occur?
10:06Saturday. And number one, at what
10:08time on a Saturday did it occur?
10:10Five to ten. Five, uh, five
10:12minutes to ten o'clock in the morning, right.
10:14Number three...
10:16Well,
10:18that means our game is over.
10:20They must vote, they must mark their ballot.
10:22No consultation, no changing.
10:24Do you think it's number one?
10:26Or do you think it's number
10:28two? Or do you
10:30think it is number three?
10:32We'll pay $50 for each incorrect
10:34answer, $500 if all
10:36the votes are wrong. And Peggy, you
10:38got us started. How did you vote? Boy, one
10:40and three were... Oh, nothing's wrong
10:42with you, number two. I mean, you're really nice.
10:44But, uh, number one and three were absolutely
10:46dynamite. I know it was a
10:48woman that was in that elevator, but
10:50I don't know. Number one
10:52looks more writer-y to me. More what?
10:54Writer-y. Writer-y. Yes.
10:56Okay, that's a good reason.
10:58If you look writer-y. Okay, Barry?
11:00Oh, well, uh, I enjoyed
11:02the story of number two's life.
11:04But, uh...
11:06But, uh,
11:08number three was very writer-y to me.
11:10Okay. Alright, number
11:12two was very wrong-ery then, huh?
11:14Kitty? Well, I didn't vote for number two
11:16not because he said it was a...
11:18He didn't say it was a man, you see. He said
11:20the operator. And somebody assumed
11:22it was a man, and number three then said it
11:24was a woman. So that's not why I didn't vote
11:26for you, number two. But I did vote for number
11:28three. Okay.
11:30Because he looked writer-y.
11:32Bill, are you gonna make
11:34unanimous? I have to go along with both
11:36Peggy and Kitty. Numbers one and three were absolutely
11:38sensational. Absolutely.
11:40He did turn left, thinking it was the east,
11:42the Hudson. It was the east. The answers were all good.
11:44I went for number one
11:46because he looked less wrong-ery.
11:50Okay. So
11:52the votes are all in. And before identifying
11:54the real Arthur Weingarten, let me tell you
11:56something fascinating about the day
11:58in question. Working on the
12:0079th floor of the Empire State Building
12:02was a young woman named
12:04Therese Fortier. Now, she
12:06survived the destruction and later
12:08married. And years afterwards,
12:10her son displayed
12:12a willingness to deal with tall buildings.
12:14You see, his name is George Willig.
12:16And he's the young guy who climbed
12:18up the World Trade Center.
12:20And Mrs. Willig is here today
12:22and she's gonna come out and identify
12:24the real Arthur Weingarten, if she will.
12:26Ah, there it is.
12:38That's right.
12:40Okay.
12:42Well,
12:44for one thing, Kitty never misses
12:46a writer. Peggy never misses a priest
12:48or a cop. So, Kitty, you
12:50kept your record intact.
12:52Let's find out about the imposters.
12:54Number one, you got a couple
12:56of votes there. What is your name and what do you do?
12:58Arthur Weingarten.
13:00No.
13:02My name is Dr. Robert
13:04Rubel. I'm an endodontist from
13:06Hewlett, New York.
13:08Let's see.
13:12Number two, you just didn't look
13:14writer-y. That was your problem.
13:16So, what is your name and what do you do?
13:18My name is Herb Ruff. I'm president of Ruff Agency, Inc.
13:20I'm a pension and insurance consultant.
13:22Uh-huh.
13:26Arthur,
13:28let me ask you, and things
13:30can happen again, but is it
13:32likely that we'll have another tragedy
13:34similar to that?
13:36I hope not.
13:38It can happen, but I hope not.
13:40Do you think it can happen with
13:42commercial planes? No. Not at all
13:44with commercial planes. If at all,
13:46and this is not doomsaying,
13:48if at all, perhaps with a
13:50private aircraft that is
13:52straying off course or someone who has
13:54just not paid enough attention to this
13:56airspace here in New York.
13:58Mrs. Woolley, let me quickly ask you.
14:00Your son, as a youngster,
14:02was he always climbing? Yes. I'm afraid
14:04he always was. Uh-huh.
14:06And did you take him mountain climbing, too?
14:08My husband used to take the boys mountain
14:10climbing on Saturdays up to Bear Mountain,
14:12and I would stay home and do the housework.
14:14So maybe that's where he started.
14:16And then you look up in the building, there's old George
14:18Hey, thank you very much, Arthur Weingarten,
14:20Mrs. Woolley, and our two imposters for playing
14:22To Tell the Truth. Thank you very much, people.
14:28She is.
14:32Well, we were talking about policemen,
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17:02Number one, what is your name, please?
17:04My name is Greg McAleese.
17:06Number two?
17:08My name is Greg McAleese.
17:10And number three?
17:12My name is Greg McAleese.
17:14Make notes if you will, panel, as I read you
17:16Officer Greg McAleese's
17:18crime report.
17:20I, Greg McAleese, am a police officer.
17:22I have conceived a unique
17:24project called Crime Stoppers.
17:26Here's how it
17:28works. Utilizing a fund
17:30raised by residents,
17:32my city pays cash to
17:34informants for clues
17:36leading to arrests and indictments.
17:38We use all the media
17:40to spread our message, asking
17:42the general public to help solve
17:44crimes by furnishing us with
17:46information. Naturally,
17:48we guarantee our informants
17:50anonymity. To illustrate
17:52just how well our program works,
17:54I am pleased to say that
17:56in a little more than a year, we have
17:58solved 320
18:00cases of murder, rape,
18:02burglary, and burglary. We've
18:04recovered over a quarter of a million dollars
18:06worth of stolen property, and
18:08have reduced crime by over
18:1027%.
18:12For my part in establishing
18:14Crime Stoppers, I have been
18:16named 1977
18:18Policeman of the Year.
18:20Signed, Greg McAleese.
18:22Well, from a crime stopper to a show stopper, we go to Barry Nelson.
18:34Oh, well.
18:36Number two,
18:38what do you do about the possibility
18:40of retaliation of people who
18:42might have given? Though you try to keep
18:44it anonymous, still in all,
18:46isn't it kind of scary for the people
18:48to come forth?
18:50Well, yes it is, and this is one of the
18:52reasons why we do offer people autonomy
18:54if they choose it.
18:56If the people do choose to testify
18:58and lose their autonomy, we will
19:00even go so far as to transport
19:02a family hundreds of miles away
19:04from their home, give them new identities,
19:06find the breadwinner a new job,
19:08and anything that's necessary to protect our
19:10informants. Number three, isn't that rather costly?
19:12We only ever had to do
19:14it once, so it wasn't that costly.
19:16What do you think is the leading cause of crime
19:18in your area?
19:20Oh, you can go into figures
19:22on that for hours.
19:24Oh, right.
19:26Number one,
19:28what would you do about
19:30the problem we're having today about juvenile
19:32crime? What would I do
19:34about it? That's difficult.
19:36I think the biggest thing that we need
19:38to do is to get a
19:40little more
19:42responsibility within the home. The parents need
19:44to take a little bit more authority.
19:46Thank you, number three.
19:48Let's go to Kitty. Number one,
19:50where did you get this award? What city
19:52is it? It was presented to me
19:54in Los Angeles. And you, number two?
19:56Yes, Los Angeles. You, number three, also Los Angeles.
19:58Well, now, number
20:00two, these people,
20:02how much do you give them?
20:04Is it a sliding scale? A little bitty crime
20:06gets a little bitty money, and a big crime
20:08gets bigger money? How do you do that?
20:10That's correct. There is a civilian
20:12board of 18 people
20:14that decides
20:16how important the information is
20:18and decides on how much money will be awarded.
20:20Well, what is the range? Number
20:22three, excuse me. Number three, what is
20:24the range? Anywhere from $50 to $1,000.
20:26Ah, and number one, the
20:28thousand is the most you've ever spent? Yes,
20:30ma'am. And what kind of a crime
20:32was that for? That was for a homicide.
20:34And number two, how long does it take you to
20:36catch the people once the informants have been paid?
20:38Well,
20:40oftentimes,
20:42we catch the people before the informants are
20:44paid. Oh, but then you pay them anyway.
20:46Let's go to Bill Cullen.
20:48Number three, just for the record, to keep it
20:50legal, you all said that you got your award
20:52in Los Angeles. Just for the record,
20:54did this, are you a Los Angeles
20:56policeman, did that? No, I'm not. Ah.
20:58Where are you a policeman, number three?
21:00I'm from Oxturay, Pennsylvania. I'm on the force there.
21:02Number one, where are you a policeman?
21:04Albuquerque, New Mexico. Now, number three, what
21:06would be the mechanics if I, if
21:08a crime is committed, and I
21:10happen to know who did it for reasons of my
21:12own, do I call you and say, look, I
21:14know who did this. What will you give me?
21:16Right. We have a three-minute television program
21:18with the local news. Uh-huh. And what we
21:20do is we reenact the crime right on
21:22television. And then anyone
21:24who sees,
21:26been in that particular area at the time,
21:28we just refresh their memory. Uh-huh.
21:30Through the media, and we give
21:32them the opportunity to call in to us.
21:34Number two, are not a lot of people who inform people
21:36who have been told about the crime by the perpetrator
21:38to coin a phrase?
21:40I mean, as opposed
21:42to witnessing it.
21:44We corroborate the
21:46information that's given us to our informants
21:48by asking them about
21:50details of the crime, which they would not
21:52know unless they were actual witnesses to the crime.
21:54Well, number two...
21:56Peggy Cash. Number one,
21:58if you're going to pay people
22:00for information about a crime,
22:02wouldn't somebody, like, say
22:04somebody was guilty, wasn't guilty, to earn a few bucks
22:06and get an even score
22:08at the same time?
22:10No, because we have built-in
22:12safeguards. The only way that a person
22:14has ever paid a reward is after
22:16indictment. And we never go in with just
22:18raw information into a grand jury.
22:20You don't do it like Beretta, beat a guy
22:22in a bar and give him 50 bucks, I take it.
22:24No, I have met
22:26one individual in a restroom
22:28and paid him $200, and
22:30you know, this kind of thing.
22:32No, we have to have
22:34supportive information before we'll even
22:36take a case. Thank you. Number three...
22:38I get two questions, and
22:40how am I supposed to know the real cop?
22:42And that's the name of that tongue.
22:44Ha ha ha ha ha.
22:46Okay.
22:48Peggy is mad, but she will vote.
22:50They will all mark their ballots. And do you
22:52think it is number one?
22:54Or do you think it is
22:56number two?
22:58Or do you think it is number
23:00three? Okay.
23:02The ballots all marked.
23:04Barry Nelson got it started.
23:06Barry, how did you vote? Well,
23:08I tell you, I voted for number one. He gave a
23:10smile right at me like, you are
23:12guilty, you know, and I was.
23:14Ha ha ha. Alright.
23:16Kitty, how did you vote? They were
23:18marvelous. Number one was talking
23:20about things like raw information
23:22and supportive information.
23:24But number two talked about the bread
23:26winner. And, I don't
23:28know, I think it's number two.
23:30Okay. A cop with a heart,
23:32Peggy says. Alright.
23:34Bill Cullen. I'll tell you, they were all
23:36sensationalist. Kitty said, I voted for
23:38number one because anyone who tips a men's
23:40room attendant $200 is
23:42class.
23:44Ha ha ha.
23:46Ha ha ha.
23:48Peggy, alright.
23:50Your reputation's on the line, Kitty. Oh, I know, and
23:52I don't really know, but I went for number one.
23:54Went for number one.
23:56Ha ha ha.
23:58And he's got an Albuquerque shirt on.
24:00An Albuquerque shirt on.
24:02Well, let's ask
24:04the question. The votes are all in.
24:06Will the real Greg McAleese please stand
24:08up?
24:10No,
24:12it's number one.
24:14Ha ha ha.
24:16Yeah.
24:18Ha ha ha.
24:20I tell you,
24:22Kitty gets
24:24the writers and Peggy gets the cops.
24:26They just get them, boy.
24:28Let's find out who the imposters are.
24:30Number two, what is your name and what
24:32do you do? My name is George
24:34Hetty III. I work for the General
24:36Electric Company in Lynn, Massachusetts
24:38as a mechanical engineer
24:40designing aircraft engines.
24:42Designing aircraft engines.
24:44Okay.
24:46Number three, what is your name and what do you do?
24:48My name's Billy Frost. I'm a
24:50social director in the Fernwood Hotel
24:52in Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania.
24:54It's a family and honeymoon resort.
24:56Ha ha.
24:58The Fernwood Hotel.
25:00A famous hotel.
25:02Greg, is your idea catching on?
25:04Are you being asked a lot about it?
25:06Yeah, we really are, Joe.
25:08I think that what we're attempting to do is
25:10to integrate the community back into
25:12helping the police work or
25:14helping the police department solve crimes.
25:16And we have programs
25:18identical to ours now in
25:20Alaska all the way down to Florida.
25:22Hey, congratulations. Thank you for all
25:24you're doing. Thank you for being a cop. A lot of us
25:26couldn't do it. We appreciate that.
25:28And thank you, I feel impossible.
25:30Thank you very much, guys.
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