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00:00So why is a neutral journalist just walking away, especially when we want to, we want
00:14to understand, my name is Jay, my name is Mansoor, I'm not from Pakistan, so I don't
00:31represent Pakistani politics or Pakistani citizenships or whatever, so now what I want
00:35you to know is, are you a peace-loving individual?
00:59You are a peaceful individual, right, are you also a man of justice and fairness?
01:05200%, 200%, fine, so now tell me, being a man of justice and fairness, and a peaceful
01:14individual, for the last, I'm only restricting to the last two years, in the last two years,
01:19give me a figure of the violence that is happening and the number of people that have been burnt,
01:27killed, lynched, murdered, by two groups I'm focusing on, the Hindu mob, and if you
01:36are saying the Muslims are doing that, the Muslim mob, give me a rough figure, five years,
01:43Kashmir, I'm not interested in Kashmir, India, 25% Hindu, Hindu, who are in Pakistan, I'm
01:53not interested in Pakistan, or Kashmir, which is, wait, wait, wait, India itself, not the
02:01part where there's a dispute, is it part of Pakistan or part of India, so leave the issues
02:05of Kashmir aside, tell me, in India itself, mainstream India, Indian provinces, yeah,
02:12still, more Hindus got killed, whether it's the Dalits, whether it's the Hyderabadites,
02:17whether it's the Marathites, give me a number, give me a number, you can see the guys in
02:21jail, because of killing, give me a number, number of people that got killed, Jai, don't
02:28get pulled away, it's your opportunity to engage with the world, to really tell the
02:32people what is going on in India, Jai, it is what is happening in India, so answer my
02:36question Jai, I'm telling you, Muslims dominating, they're misusing, but look, what is happening,
02:43what was my question that you were answering, yeah, that's what I'm saying, your question,
02:46I'm answering your question, which is, which is, yeah, what is my question, your question
02:49is, how many Hindu got killed, and how many Muslims got killed, yeah, 30, 40, 70, 70%
02:55Hindu got killed, give me a number, I don't know the number, but you're from India, you
03:01came to volunteer to talk about it, and you don't know, give me a rough number, is it
03:06like 30 people, no, more than 30, like how many, probably 10, 20, 30,000, 10, 20, 30,000
03:13in the Indian provinces, other than Kashmir, killed by Muslims, I include Kashmir, don't
03:18include Kashmir, Kashmir is part of India, listen, Jai, Jai, listen Jai, Jai, listen,
03:25I'm trying to make you, make you, a real person of fairness and justice, and a peaceful person,
03:33listen, Jai, Jai, where am I from, where am I from, I don't know, so how can you even
03:43accuse me of that, excuse me, now he has to go for the car keys, is there any other Hindu,
03:52fair, peaceful, just people, excuse me, brother, Muslim, come here, so you also wanted to volunteer
04:04to speak, earlier on, your friend, when they're dragged away by a car key issues, he's not
04:11going to come back, this is a reality, it's an issue, like the other journalist, also
04:15was dragged away, may I ask you, because the violence is happening in India, we don't want,
04:22before you speak, before you speak, before you speak, do you think I'm from Pakistan,
04:53I don't, I'm not talking about India, Pakistan, I am talking about India, I saw the Indian flag,
05:00I'll tell you, I can only speak to one person, why are you not respecting a lady,
05:07with one person, exactly, between yourselves, between yourselves, why don't you volunteer,
05:15one person to speak to, relax, excuse me, may I ask, between yourselves, just one person to speak,
05:27who's that going to be, you or the lady, okay, fine, thank you, now, remember, I saw the Indian
05:33flag here, and I heard the word genocide, my dearest uncalling humanity, he was representing
05:46to talk on your behalf, thank you, thank you, so now, what's your name, Raj, my name is Mansoor,
05:55right, we do not want to see any violence, any aggression, any injustice, anywhere in the world,
06:02do you agree, do you practice, I practice, so you're representing yourself, right, who do you represent,
06:14I'm representing myself, and you are asking, so if you want to ask question, I will talk about me,
06:18but if you ask about general, then I represent either India, or Hindus, or whosoever, so that way you also tell me who to represent,
06:25when I saw the Indian flag, and people talk about genocide, I said, wow, now, at least, now, finally, we have...
06:32someone is talking about Hindu genocide, and that's good,
06:34madam, you said only one person,
06:38it is, it is, it is, stick to your principle,
06:44okay, Mansoor, I'll stop, you listened to the talk,
06:47no, no, I'm going to tell them not to interrupt,
06:49did you listen to the talk,
06:51he agreed to be a volunteer, to have a discussion,
06:55otherwise, we can't have a meaningful discussion, right,
07:00so, as I was saying, when I saw the Indian flag, Indian people, I heard the word genocide,
07:07I said, finally, now, some really must be fair, just people, talking about the genocide against the non-Hindus,
07:15against the Muslims, in India, happening,
07:18wait, wait, I'm not finished,
07:20ignorance,
07:21wait a minute,
07:22I thought, I thought,
07:24wait a minute,
07:25can I finish,
07:27so, when I first came, and I saw this as if, finally, now,
07:32wait a minute, Raj,
07:34there are some very good, honourable people, men and women, who are from Indian ethnicity,
07:41they are now going to speak the truth,
07:44and say, the thing that is happening by the Modi government, in India,
07:48the genocide, against the non-Hindus, against the Muslims, for example,
07:52now, you'll be talking against it,
07:54wait, wait, wait, wait, listen,
07:56and then, when I asked someone,
07:58and I heard it was the opposite,
08:00so, that's why, I want to know,
08:02where are the real people, who can talk about what is happening in India,
08:07so, now, I'm asking, you know, Jay, I'm going to ask you this question,
08:10violence is happening in India, by both sides,
08:15we can see that,
08:17don't ask me, which social media we see,
08:20now, I want to ask this question to you,
08:23because you came to talk about this protest,
08:26so, you are peaceful people, or people of justice,
08:29that's what you're trying to, at least, illustrate,
08:31give me a figure,
08:33the number of people, that were lynched, killed, burnt, murdered,
08:39by either of the two mobs, from both sides,
08:42last five years,
08:44last five years,
08:46and don't focus on Kashmir,
08:48on India itself,
08:50now, listen to me,
08:52you talk about humanity,
08:54five minutes before, you gave a lecture about, you believe in humanity and all, right,
08:56you contradict yourself,
08:58you should have spoken about,
09:00that I want to see the genocide happening in India,
09:04on either side, but you will not speak about that,
09:06very conveniently, you will say,
09:08it's a Muslim genocide,
09:10do you know, what is happening in India,
09:12do you know, how many Muslims are killing Hindus,
09:15how many history, how many times they killed,
09:17how many did the ethnic cleansing of Kashmir,
09:20how they are asking to do,
09:22you go, each town, each city, each place,
09:24they ask you, right,
09:26each town, each village you go,
09:28they have made a ghettos,
09:30they don't want Hindus to go over there,
09:32they say, this is our land, this is what we want,
09:34get away from there, this is what is happening, right,
09:36so, if you see, yes, violence is happening,
09:39but, it's a reaction to the action,
09:41which is being instigated,
09:43on the name of so-called peace,
09:45loving and all,
09:47how can your religion so fragile,
09:49that on one single comment,
09:51which is written in a book,
09:53that Mohammed did so and so,
09:55people get violence about it,
09:57and then they go on the street protest,
09:59why, if it is there, let it be there,
10:01it's written on the book, read the book,
10:03she hasn't quoted anything wrong,
10:05but they will go, and when they go on loot,
10:07they will burn the villages,
10:09burn the town, livelihood of people,
10:11people react, right,
10:13so, you need to understand, you cannot just go and say,
10:15oh, this is what is happening,
10:17you need to understand that.
10:19Thank you very much, Jai, what was my question to you, that you answered?
10:21None. I gave you the whole answer to your question.
10:23What was my question?
10:25No, you tell me.
10:27You just ask about the numbers,
10:29so, numbers,
10:31What was my question?
10:33No, you ask about how many Hindus were killed, and how many Muslims were killed.
10:35And what did you say?
10:37So, I just told you all the things, what is happening to them.
10:39So, Jai,
10:41if you didn't know the number,
10:43you could have simply said,
10:45Why I had to say that?
10:47You will give me a bloody whole lecture about the whole humanity you believe.
10:49Jai, Jai, Jai,
10:51remember, Raj,
10:53Raj,
10:55you came to volunteer.
10:59No, no, you will go around,
11:01Raj, Raj,
11:03I asked a specific question
11:05for a specific reason.
11:07For a specific reason.
11:09I don't see,
11:11I don't see from the Hindus,
11:13I don't see from the Hindus,
11:15I have not seen
11:17Hindu people
11:19coming up
11:21and really talking about the truth.
11:23I thought you could be one of them,
11:25and I can be,
11:27I have not finished.
11:29Watch NDTV,
11:31NDTV will give you bloody numbers.
11:33They are Hindus,
11:35I don't watch it because
11:37I don't watch Indian channel.
11:39But he will agree.
11:41Go and watch NDTV.
11:43Go and watch them.
11:45Calm down, man.
11:47Raj, who killed Gandhi?
11:49Hindu or Muslim?
11:51Gandhi.
11:53Look at this guy.
11:55He doesn't know who killed Gandhi.
11:57And he thinks he is an Indian.
11:59No, no, wait a minute.
12:01Raj, calm down.
12:03It's God's say.
12:05God's say he wasn't a Muslim.
12:07You didn't even know that.
12:09Who killed Indira Gandhi?
12:11Again, not a Muslim.
12:13Who killed Indira Gandhi?
12:15Who killed Rajiv Gandhi?
12:17Again, not a Muslim.
12:19So the Hindus are killing their own Hindus
12:21and they are saying we are the ones killing.
12:23Now wait, wait, wait.
12:25With all due respect,
12:27according to Hinduism,
12:29according to Hinduism,
12:31you guys won't be here.
12:33The Muslims won't be here.
12:35Raj,
12:37Raj,
12:39Raj,
12:41the reason why, Mr. Jinnah,
12:43I am asking you to be a figure.
12:45Only how many Muslims were killed
12:47or are you going to be a figure
12:49from both sides?
12:51You said I am only Muslim.
12:53I hear only Muslims.
12:55So you are not even listening to the question.
12:57You didn't say that.
12:59Yeah, yeah, yeah, you said, you just said.
13:01See, I'll tell you.
13:03They didn't say that.
13:05Raj, one second.
13:07Raj,
13:09excuse me.
13:11You can't tolerate women talking, isn't it?
13:13Why has India become a rape capital
13:15if they respect women?
13:17I'm trying to have a conversation with the gentleman.
13:19India is a rape capital today.
13:21I don't think so.
13:23Look at your own statistics.
13:25You should really go and read up.
13:27It doesn't matter.
13:29Why does it matter?
13:31Why does it matter?
13:33You honestly want me to go?
13:35So I have a question.
13:37So can you answer the question?
13:39Then I am not interested in talking to you.
13:41So the reason
13:43I ask this question
13:45is to show
13:47whether you are fair or unfair.
13:49Because you are denying it.
13:51If you are really fair, then you say
13:53these are the casualties of both sides.
13:55And we don't want
13:57casualties from any side.
13:59That's the truth.
14:01That's the truth.
14:03Do you agree?
14:05It's impunity from the police
14:07and the army.
14:09Don't give us all these lectures.
14:11Wait a minute.
14:13Casualties from both sides.
14:15I wasn't focusing
14:17on only one group.
14:19That is the truth.
14:21Maybe I don't know the numbers
14:23Equal number of people from either side.
14:25Equal number.
14:27Whatever number you call.
14:31Just a minute.
14:33If you call Pehlu Khan is one lynched.
14:35Akhilesh Tiwari is also killed.
14:37So there are the people which is happening
14:39on the both sides.
14:41You can't just
14:43Do you know that?
14:45One individual.
14:47One individual.
14:49Unlimited people are being lynched.
14:51Where did you get that number?
14:53Where did you get that number?
14:55Where did you get that number?
14:57Show me.
14:59I am asking you.
15:01So how many people were killed
15:03for last two years?
15:05I do not know the number.
15:07But I am saying the equal number.
15:09Maybe 50, maybe 40 people.
15:11No, no, you are not Indian.
15:13In Pakistan.
15:15Do you agree with this number?
15:17No.
15:19The problem is this.
15:21Tell the number and we agree on that.
15:23No, no, no, no.
15:25So which one are you guys supporting?
15:27You cannot speak Malayalam.
15:29You cannot speak Malayalam.
15:31You cannot speak Malayalam.
15:33This is happening on both sides.
15:35No, no, no.
15:37Where can I see this happening on both sides?
15:39Which media can I watch?
15:41No, no, no.
15:43I want to see and watch
15:45from reputable sources.
15:47No, no, no.
15:49But where the equal number
15:51have been also been.
15:53Where can I watch that?
15:55Can we discuss
15:57it is happening on both sides?
15:59Okay, number.
16:01Why do you want to waste your time?
16:03Why do you want to waste your time?
16:05I am trying to understand.
16:07I am trying to understand this.
16:09Hindu.
16:11Hindu.
16:13Why everywhere Muslims are not helping?
16:15Anywhere you are, they are not helping.
16:17You are the one who didn't have a choice.
16:19You see, I am happy.
16:21I didn't agree on the equal number.
16:23I didn't agree
16:25it happens on equal number.
16:27Same people who say
16:29these guys do not have right to be there.
16:31Give me a percentage.
16:33What are you talking about?
16:35Let's have a look.
16:37It is happening on both sides.
16:39They don't talk about it.
16:41It is happening on both sides.
16:43It is happening on both sides.
16:45How many percent
16:47is happening on both sides?
16:49What is happening?
16:51I am asking you.
16:53I just told you it is happening on both sides.
16:55You are wasting your time.
16:57I told you it is happening on both sides.
16:59What I want to know from you is
17:01who is
17:03supporting the lynching?
17:05Is that what you said?
17:07Is that what you said?
17:09That is what you said.
17:11It is happening on both sides.
17:13On equal number?
17:15You think that is not right?
17:17You think that is not right?
17:19Next question.
17:21You also agree that you
17:23shouldn't have your mentality.
17:25You are saying
17:27it is happening on both sides.
17:29Maybe if you are saying
17:31one side is 90%
17:33that is not right.
17:35You are happy that it is happening on both sides.
17:37That is not right.
17:39Tell me now.
17:41Why are people
17:45Why are innocent people
17:49Why is the Modi government
17:51aiding people?
17:53I am not responsible for the Modi government.
17:55What are you doing instead?
17:57I am here.
17:59What are you doing?
18:01What are you doing?
18:03I am making the world know
18:05what is happening by the Modi government.
18:07It is not a peaceful government.
18:09Let them know what is happening in Pakistan.
18:15We are not going to come
18:17on any conclusion.
18:19But we both agree it shouldn't happen.
18:21Why are you not telling your Modi government
18:23to stop the genocide?
18:27India is known as the red capital.
18:29But we both at least agree on one point
18:31that it shouldn't happen.
18:33To address it.
18:35That is the point.
18:37Can we say something?
18:39They are only talking about India.
18:41Why?
18:43I have my own work.
18:45Let me continue.
18:47But why don't you influence your government
18:49to stop the genocide?
18:51Hinduphobic people.
18:53You are Hinduphobic.
18:55You are not talking about Hindu genocide.
18:57You are Hinduphobic.
19:01They are pulling you away because you are lying.
19:03We have other work.
19:05Go away.
19:07They are pulling you away.
19:09India is the red capital according to your newspapers.
19:11We both agree on one point.
19:13Whatever it happens, it should happen.
19:15By the way, do you agree that India should not be a red capital?
19:19It is in your own newspapers, not mine.
19:21What did I say?
19:23Hindustan Times.
19:27You accuse me of Hinduphobia.
19:29You accuse me of being racist.
19:31You just lied against me.
19:35You just lied against me.
19:37You are Hinduphobic.
19:39Have I ever been Hinduphobic?
19:41Have I ever been racist?
19:45This lady is accusing by making a lie.
19:47Wake up people.
19:49The lie you are exerting against me.
19:51I want you to tell her
19:53that I have not said anything against you.
19:57Why are you so irritated?
19:59I am not talking about humanity at all.
20:01She is aggressive.
20:03You are Hinduphobic.
20:05What did I say?
20:07That is your delusion.
20:09This is how London is becoming Hinduphobic.
20:11What did I say?
20:13Tell the Hindus to come to Speaker's Corner
20:15and speak in a peaceful way.
20:17We will give them a platform.
20:19You accuse me.
20:21You are denying me my freedom.
20:23This is a platform.
20:25You are actually stopping my freedom of speech.
20:27You are denying my freedom of speech.
20:29You are denying my freedom of speech.
20:31Yes, I am serious.
20:33There are 35,000 people watching us.
20:35There are more people watching than 35,000 people.
20:37There are probably a million people watching
20:39compared to this.
20:41How could you do this?
20:43This is a lie.
20:4535,000 people are watching.
20:47You just seen an example
20:49of someone lying
20:51in front of your place.
20:53Seriously.
20:55India is a rape capital.
20:57Go and stop that out.
20:59Firstly,
21:01the lie you accuse
21:03people of
21:05is amazing.
21:07Your 35,000 viewers
21:09would watch the beginning of your clip
21:11to the end and they would not find anything.
21:13And instead, they will tell you
21:15how hypocritical you are.
21:17A hypocrite, a liar.
21:19Yes, and a liar.
21:21It's only two people
21:23watching it. Look, I can see it from here.
21:27She's saying 35,000 people are watching.
21:29My sister in humanity,
21:31stop lying.
21:33Stop lying.
21:35Who didn't let you talk?
21:37Your own people dragged you away.
21:43So I thought
21:45we would find some real
21:47peaceful, peace-loving
21:49fair Hindus in the park today.
21:51We couldn't find any.
21:53Apart from this one individual
21:55who spoke earlier.
22:05You know what?
22:07You know what?
22:09Would you let the sister
22:11know that
22:13all this emotional outburst
22:15is not going to help
22:17to solve the problem of the propaganda
22:19that we see by the Hindus.
22:21Hindus need to stop
22:23doing the propaganda.
22:25They need to stop killing the people.
22:27Right?
22:29Right.
22:31Thank you.
22:33Right.
22:43I came to the park today
22:45and I was quite interested
22:47when I heard
22:49there was a
22:51speech
22:53in a group of people
22:57Let's move around
22:59because she's not going to be
23:01not interrupting.
23:03Don't run.
23:05Right.
23:09So
23:13See, it's recording still.
23:15It's recording still.
23:17So I was quite actually
23:19interested when I saw
23:21a gathering here
23:23with an Indian flag and real
23:25Indian people and I thought
23:27wow! At least finally
23:29we will see and hear
23:31some real Hindus who are
23:33peaceful, peace-loving people
23:35man and woman of justice to talk
23:37against the atrocity committed
23:39by the Indian government. By the
23:41Hindutva mob in India.
23:43Guess what? I was shocked
23:45to find it was the opposite.
23:47They were talking about a film
23:49about the genocide against the Hindus.
23:51So when I wanted to ask them
23:53what's happening in India today?
23:55Are there
23:57Muslims being lynched?
23:59Killed? Murdered? Burnt?
24:01And they said no.
24:03One individual even said
24:05maybe only five people out of these
24:07five years got killed.
24:09Unbelievable
24:11brainwashing.
24:13Look, we don't want
24:15any human beings to be
24:17killed, lynched,
24:19murdered.
24:21We don't want any of that.
24:23Whether you be a Hindu
24:25or a Muslim or a Jew
24:27or a Christian or an Atheist or no religion.
24:29Human beings,
24:31your life is sacred.
24:35That is what Islam says.
24:37Human life
24:39is sacred.
24:41Can you not interrupt
24:43when I'm talking? This is a
24:45fanatic question,
24:47heckler, because now I'm going to
24:49talk about something which is
24:51universally shared.
24:53He's going to interrupt.
24:55Why don't you speak against terrorism?
24:57Happened in India.
24:59Just to finish up,
25:01in the Quran, Allah
25:03says
25:05that Allah told
25:07Israel
25:09that killing
25:11one person is like
25:13killing the whole of humanity.
25:17Subhanallah, look at this.
25:21People need to
25:23understand that
25:25Islam considers
25:27human life
25:29sacred.
25:31That teaching that was given
25:33in the Torah
25:35is universalized.
25:37Islam did not
25:39abrogate that teaching.
25:41That teaching is such that
25:43killing one person
25:45unjustly is like killing
25:47the whole of humanity.
25:49Saving one person
25:51is like saving
25:53the whole of humanity.
25:55It is not
25:57about killing a Muslim
25:59life or a
26:01Christian life or no.
26:03Human life.
26:05So these people will
26:07bark.
26:09They will bark at the sides
26:11so that you don't
26:13listen to this
26:15universal,
26:17agreeable teaching
26:19of Islam. They want
26:21you to be
26:23silenced from
26:25listening, but you know
26:27for sure.
26:29So when we talk about
26:31the violence that we see
26:33in India, for example,
26:35if the Muslims
26:37are committing violence, we will
26:39speak against it.
26:41We are not going to say,
26:43oh they are my brothers, let us celebrate.
26:45No.
26:47Injustice,
26:49unjust killing
26:51is
26:53never going to be right.
26:55If they are killed,
26:57even by Muslims
26:59unjustly, that is wrong
27:01and they should be
27:03facing
27:05the hands of the law
27:07and be then
27:09punished if they were treated.
27:13So now, just to show
27:15to you again, we were discussing
27:17earlier
27:19these Hindus
27:23illustrating to us their peaceful,
27:25fair, mutual
27:27justice. But what did we
27:29see? In the discussion
27:31we saw emotional
27:33outbursts, not from a
27:35fair individual
27:37but someone who is aggressive
27:39inside. The passive
27:41aggression that we saw, it is all
27:43to see. Instead,
27:4534,000 followers
27:47she was lying to
27:49that I apparently am
27:51a Hindu
27:53phobic, that
27:55I was a racist
27:57when I said no such a thing,
27:59when I was telling the opposite.
28:01So, this man
28:03comes from a Hindu background.
28:05Is that so? He is defending them.
28:07So just to again,
28:09all people,
28:11be men
28:13and women of justice.
28:15Stand up against
28:17injustice, wherever
28:19it may be. Whether
28:21it be in your own community,
28:23your own people. In the Quran
28:25you will be surprised
28:27to know, Allah
28:29subhanahu wa ta'ala says
28:31be and stand
28:33firm as firm
28:35witnesses. Stand
28:37firm as firm witnesses.
28:39Even if it goes
28:41against your own self, against
28:43your kith, your kin,
28:45your relatives.
28:47That is the idea
28:49that Islam brings to establish
28:51justice on earth.
28:53So we invite you to the
28:55justice of Islam. We invite
28:57you to the truth of Islam.
28:59We invite you to the reality
29:01of your purpose in this
29:03life is not to worship
29:05idols which
29:07you make with your own hands.
29:09Not to worship idols
29:11that you crave
29:13in your own factory.
29:15But to worship the
29:17one and only creator.
29:19The creator of Krishna.
29:21Whether he existed in reality.
29:23The creator of Christ.
29:25Whether he was
29:27as they claim
29:29to be the messiah or not. But we believe
29:31all of these people,
29:33all of the people have been believed
29:35wrongly to be gods
29:37on earth. No.
29:39None of them are worthy of worship
29:41except the one who created
29:43them all. So people
29:45come back to the worship of God
29:47because only then
29:49and only then you'll have true salvation.
29:51If you worship a man
29:53or a woman
29:55a monkey or a rat
29:57or anything
29:59of this creation
30:01you will not
30:03be saved in the hereafter.
30:05You will not smell the fragrance
30:07of paradise. Only
30:09if you worship
30:11your creator who created
30:13the whole of cosmos, you will
30:15have your salvation. We will have our salvation.
30:17So what are we inviting you to?
30:19To wake up.
30:21Wake up.
30:23To worship none but
30:25the one and only God.
30:27Don't worship anyone else.
30:29If you want to worship anyone else
30:31you steal
30:33your fate and you
30:35will face your consequence.
30:45I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan
30:47from the accursed Satan
30:49from the accursed Satan
30:51from the accursed Satan
30:53from the accursed Satan
30:55from the accursed Satan
30:57from the accursed Satan
30:59from the accursed Satan
31:01from the accursed Satan
31:03from the accursed Satan
31:05from the accursed Satan
31:07from the accursed Satan
31:09from the accursed Satan
31:11I am
31:13Commander Kulbhushan Sudhir Jadhav
31:15number 41558 Zulu
31:17of the Indian Navy
31:19I am a commissioned officer in the Indian Navy
31:21and
31:23my allies name was Hussain Mubarak
31:25Patel and I was
31:27basically I had visited Karachi
31:29on two occasions in 2005
31:31and 2006
31:33for basic intelligence
31:35gathering on naval installations
31:37and subsequent detailed
31:39basically
31:41gathering information on
31:43the landing sites around Karachi
31:45and various naval vessels
31:47or whatever I could gather about
31:49the Navy. The raw officials
31:51started sniffing that the Modi government
31:53will be in power by 2014
31:55so I was inducted and my services
31:57were handed over to research and
31:59analysis wing and the
32:01aim was to see that all the
32:03activities along the Makran coast
32:05and Karachi and
32:07Balochistan interior, Turbat
32:09and Quetta
32:11were to be organized and nicely
32:13coordinated. Subsequently
32:15me along with Anil Kumar
32:17had a meeting with
32:19Alok Joshi wherein the plans
32:21and the finalization of
32:23activities along the Makran coast
32:25and Karachi were finalized
32:27I was stationed in
32:29Chabar, the Iranian port city
32:31under a fictitious
32:33name Hussain Mubarak Patel
32:35and I was running a business there
32:37Kanmida Trading Company
32:39It was a discrete
32:41non-embassy based operation
32:43exclusively meant
32:45to conduct meetings with
32:47Baloch insurgents and terrorists
32:49The aim of these meetings was always to
32:51see that the aims and the
32:53targets of RAW to conduct the various
32:55terrorist activities within Balochistan
32:57are conveyed properly to the insurgents
32:59and any kinds of requirements
33:01of them are conveyed back to the
33:03RAW officials. My purpose
33:05of this time visit to Pakistan
33:07was to establish and meet
33:09the basic leadership of Baloch
33:11sub-nationals, the BLA or the BRA
33:13and establish and
33:15infiltrate around 30 to
33:1740 RAW operatives
33:19along the Makran coast for
33:21operations along with Baloch
33:23sub-nationals and miscreants
33:25or terrorists
33:27The aim was to have RAW operatives
33:29on field so that they could
33:31facilitate and help the Baloch
33:33sub-nationals in carrying out precision
33:35targets to be carried
33:37out precision. I would say
33:39a sort of a military
33:41sort of a connection to the entire
33:43operation because Balochistan
33:45doesn't have a movement
33:47on the sea. So the aim was
33:49to raise within the Baloch sub-nationals
33:51a seafront
33:53so that the activities could be properly
33:55coordinated from the seaside
33:57and subsequently
33:59taken on further inwards
34:01towards maybe Quetta
34:03or Turbat or maybe interiors
34:05of various places
34:07The subsequent activities
34:09which were then handed over by RAW when I
34:11subsequently started working for
34:13research and analysis wing
34:15the main aim was focused on Balochistan
34:17and the Karachi region
34:19The idea was to see to it that
34:21the sub-nationals within this region
34:23were facilitated and supported
34:25financially and with
34:27arms and ammunition weapons
34:29and some kind of maybe men and material movement
34:31also across the coast
34:33So me being a naval officer I was given
34:35the task
34:37of seeing that how they could be
34:39landed across
34:41the Makran coast between Gwadar, Jivni
34:43or whichever suitable points
34:45were there across this belt
34:47and the main ideology
34:49beyond this was that
34:51the economic and the
34:53various activities which go along
34:55the CPEC region between Gwadar
34:57and China had to be distorted
34:59and disrupted and some
35:01destabilized so that the aim was
35:03to just basically raise the
35:05level of insurgency within Balochistan
35:07and the Karachi region. Research and analysis
35:09wing through Mr. Anil Kumar
35:11has been financing and sponsoring
35:13a lot of activities
35:15within Balochistan and Sindh
35:17The entire Hundi
35:19and Hawala operations are undertaken
35:21from Delhi and Mumbai
35:23via Dubai into Pakistan
35:25and during one such
35:27important transaction
35:29was the $40,000 which was transferred
35:31to Baloch sub-nationals
35:33via Dubai
35:35Also the finances
35:37which are coming into
35:39Balochistan and Sindh for various
35:41anti-national activities
35:43are coming through consulates in Jalalabad
35:45and Kandahar
35:47and the consulate
35:49in Zahedan. These are very
35:51important consulates which are used
35:53by research and analysis wing to
35:55transfer dollars into
35:57the Balochistan movement. And one such
35:59instance was where I was directly involved
36:01and I was observing the transaction was
36:03when $40,000 were recently transferred
36:05from
36:07India via Dubai
36:09to one such Baloch national
36:11operative within Pakistan
36:13Research and analysis wing
36:15and Mr. Anil Kumar on behalf of
36:17RAW had been sponsoring
36:19regularly
36:21the various terrorist activities
36:23within Pakistan. Especially
36:25Hazara Muslims, the Shia Muslims
36:27who move around on pilgrimage
36:29between Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan
36:31were basically to be targeted
36:33and killed. They were already being done
36:35it was being done but the level had to be
36:37raised to a very high level so that
36:39the movement completely stops
36:41then the targets on various workers of
36:43FWO who are conducting
36:45construction of various roads
36:47within Balochistan
36:49and the third major activity was the
36:51ID attacks which were being carried out
36:53by Baloch sub-nationals within Quetta
36:55Turbat or various
36:57other cities of
36:59Balochistan. They were being directly
37:01sponsored by RAW
37:03Mr. Anil Kumar
37:05has been sponsoring
37:07sectarian violence
37:09across Sindh and Balochistan
37:11and also sponsoring
37:13various assassinations
37:15across this same region
37:17so that instability
37:19or some kind of fear is set into the
37:21mindsets of the people
37:23of Pakistan. And in one such process
37:25SSP
37:27Chaudhary was assassinated
37:29This was a direct mention by
37:31Mr. Anil Kumar to me. The various
37:33financing which subsequently happened for the
37:35TTP and various
37:37other Afghan anti-Pakistani
37:39terrorist groups led to
37:41the attack by
37:43TTP on one of the Mehran
37:45naval bases in which a lot of damage
37:47was caused to the Pakistani Navy
37:49Other sort of radar installation attacks
37:51the Sui pipeline gas attack
37:53then attacks
37:55on civilian bus stations where
37:57some, I suppose
37:59Pakistani nationals were being targeted by
38:01sub-nationals and murdered
38:03and massacred. So that a sort
38:05of a disruption in the CPEC
38:07is done. That was
38:09being funded and
38:11directly supported by Mr. Anil Kumar
38:13He wanted it to be raised
38:15to a next level so that
38:17complete disruption and complete stoppage
38:19of the economic corridor between
38:21Gwadar and China is achieved
38:23One of the
38:25operations which was being planned by RAW officials
38:27along with Baloch insurgents
38:29was a military style attack on the
38:31Zahedan Pakistani consulate
38:33The aim was to either
38:35attack it with a grenade
38:37or some kind of RPG
38:39or IED attack
38:41or then try to harm the consulate general
38:43or some kind of a vicious
38:45attack on the Pakistani consulate
38:47in Zahedan. It was being militarily
38:49planned. The RAW officials
38:51were involved in Iran
38:53and the Baloch sub-nationals who were
38:55supposed to carry out the attack or facilitate
38:57the entire process were being
38:59involved and I was well aware
39:01of the plan which was being conducted
39:03and how it was being planned
39:05RAW was sponsoring the setting
39:07up of the modern website
39:09a new website which was being
39:11already run through Nepal
39:13which the Balochistan movement was carrying on
39:15on the cyber world
39:17and the creation of a website
39:19the previous maintenance of
39:21the already existing website
39:23was being handled by research
39:25and analysis wing from Nepal-Katmandu
39:27which was luring people
39:29from within Pakistan
39:31for various activities to be carried
39:33out in the future
39:35This time while crossing over
39:37into Pakistan I
39:39travelled all the way from Chabar in a private taxi
39:41along with Rakesh
39:43to the Iranian-Pakistan
39:45border near Saravan
39:47from where I crossed over into Pakistan
39:49along with Baloch sub-nationals
39:51and after about an hour
39:53or so I was apprehended by the Pakistani
39:55authorities in Pakistan
39:57Basically the movement into Pakistan for me
39:59was, I was on a visa
40:01and official visa in Iran
40:03and I was moving with my passport
40:05so I carried my passport till the border almost
40:07so that
40:09if Iranian authorities or
40:11Iranian people who are
40:13about to check me or
40:15I am stopped or checked
40:17I should have a legitimate reason for movement within Iran
40:19and my subsequent movement
40:21into Pakistan and then backwards
40:23while I was not
40:25intending to having been caught
40:27so my movement backwards again I would have had
40:29a legitimate reason to go about
40:31with that passport with a legitimate visa
40:33of Iran
40:35During my judicial proceedings
40:37which were held under the Field General Court
40:39Marshal, I was accorded defense
40:41counsel by the
40:43officials here which were conducting
40:45the entire proceedings
40:47Today I genuinely after the time I have spent
40:49in Pakistan I feel very ashamed
40:51and I genuinely seek
40:53pardon of the acts and sins
40:55and crimes I have committed here
40:57against the nation and the people of Pakistan
41:01Who are you?
41:05I am Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav
41:07Number 4155 Jullu
41:09I am a serving officer of the Indian Navy
41:11I am from the cadre of
41:13engineering department in the Indian Navy
41:15and my cover name was
41:17Usain Mubarak Patel
41:19which I had taken
41:21for
41:23doing some intelligence
41:25gathering for the
41:27Indian
41:29agencies
41:31I joined the National Defense Academy
41:33in 1987 and I subsequently
41:35joined the Indian Navy in January
41:371991 and I was commissioned
41:39into the Indian Navy and subsequently served
41:41in the Indian Navy till around
41:432001 December
41:45when the Parliament attacks occurred
41:47and that is when I started contributing
41:49my services towards the
41:51gathering of information
41:53and intelligence within India
41:55I live in the city of Mumbai in India
42:00I am still a serving officer in the Indian Navy
42:02and
42:04will be
42:06due for retirement
42:08by 2022 as a commissioned
42:10officer of the Indian Navy
42:12After having completed 14 years of service
42:14by 2002
42:16I commenced
42:18intelligence operations in 2003
42:20and established a small business in
42:22Chhabar in Iran
42:24As I was able to achieve
42:26undetected existence and
42:28visits to
42:30Karachi in 2003 and 2004
42:32and having done
42:34some basic
42:36assignments within India
42:38for RAW, I was picked up
42:40by RAW in
42:422013 and
42:44ever since I have been directing
42:46various activities in
42:48Baluchistan and Karachi at the behest
42:50of RAW and
42:52deteriorating law and order situation
42:54in Karachi
42:58Basically today
43:00my mother came over and I am thankful
43:02to the Pakistani government for showing this grand gesture
43:04and allowing this meeting
43:06It was a very pleasant one and my mother was
43:08basically very happy to see me
43:10in a good state
43:12My physical fitness and she was really very
43:14satisfied and she said also
43:16I am feeling very relaxed after
43:18seeing you. I am satisfied. She said a
43:20dua which is amongst the Hindus
43:22very common for me
43:24I said don't worry mummy now you are happy
43:26I have done so many things. My diet is very
43:28beautiful. I have done a very good
43:30thing here and they have taken care of me
43:32They have not harmed me. They have not touched me
43:34She believed once. She saw me personally
43:36But I have to say one thing very important
43:38here for the Indian public and the
43:40Indian crowd and the Indian government
43:42and the people in Navy
43:44that my
43:46commission is not gone
43:48I am a commissioned officer of the Indian Navy
43:50and my mother
43:52and my wife have been briefed very strongly
43:54They were being told
43:56I saw
43:58fear in the eyes of my mother and my wife
44:00Why should there be fear?
44:02Whatever has happened has happened
44:04There shouldn't be fear in the eyes of my
44:06mother and my wife. They have been
44:08threatened. The Indian diplomat
44:10or the Indian person who had come along with my
44:12mother was shouting
44:14on my mother the moment she stepped out
44:16or he was yelling at her. Had she been
44:18brought under threat here?
44:20This gesture was a positive gesture so that
44:22she feels happy, I feel happy
44:24and there is the Indian diplomat or some person
44:26standing outside yelling at her
44:28We in
44:30India and Pakistan are supposed to subsequently
44:32forget our enmity and go in a positive direction
44:34or it is supposed to keep on hanging around
44:36and lingering around like this
44:38Why my commission and that I
44:40was working on an intelligence
44:42agency is being
44:44denied or what is the whole
44:46issue? Ok I was doing a business
44:48cover business that's ok
44:50I stand up by that that I was doing something
44:52for RAW and I am a soldier
44:54I was doing something for my country. I have done this
44:56Law enforcing agencies are going
44:58about that but my mother and
45:00wife have been really battered and troubled
45:02and brought here. I have thought they have been beaten
45:04all along in the plane and that thing
45:06This is not done this
45:08way. This is not a pleasant
45:10thing. It was supposed to be a very pleasant thing but
45:12my mother went under shock
45:14She is saying no this can't be said or what is
45:16this and I
45:18am really thankful for the whole
45:20process of both the governments. Indian
45:22government and the Pakistani government
45:24but this is
45:26I am really feeling very sad that
45:28my mother was in a very
45:30bad threatened position
45:34I said that we will surprise
45:36you. Wait for that surprise
45:38Chai ki davat
45:40Chai ki davat
45:42The tea is fantastic. Thank you
45:44Chai ki davat
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49:02Yeh vatan sada painda hai
49:04Painda hai
49:06Yeh duniya sari ab sunle
49:08Yeh vatan sada painda hai
49:10Jab tak hai khoon ka ek katra
49:12Yeh azam hamara zinda hai
49:14Zinda hai
49:16Aapne
49:18Ghabrana nahi hai
49:20Arey ghabrane ki kya baat hai
49:22Hum log bade dilwane hai
49:24Ghabrana nahi hai
49:26Hum chai ki davat karte hai
49:28Sharwana nahi hai
49:30Chai ki davat
49:32Hum log bade dilwane hai
49:34Ghabrana nahi hai
49:36Hum chai ki davat karte hai
49:38Sharwana nahi hai
49:40Chai ki davat
49:42Aapne sabse pehle ghabrana nahi hai