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"Log Mulk Chor Kar nikalna Chah rahe hain aur ap Apni...." Mustafa Nawaz Khokar's Bold Analysis
"Log Mulk Chor Kar nikalna Chah rahe hain aur ap Apni...." Mustafa Nawaz Khokar's Bold Analysis
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00:00There is only one principle in this country.
00:02All the laws, regulations, civilized countries, stable countries that we are talking about,
00:09the principle of this country is one.
00:11That even if you don't make a mistake, if the establishment goes against you,
00:16then it will make you the biggest culprit in this country and present you in front of the people.
00:21You will be disrespected.
00:22Apart from that, this happened with Mian Nawaz Sharif.
00:26It happened with the People's Party, it happened with Shaheed Bibi.
00:29It's a long history.
00:31And if you are in their good books, you are forgiven for 100 murders.
00:35You can do whatever you want.
00:36No one will ask you.
00:38So it's not that simple.
00:42Now the problem is that 7 decades have passed.
00:45This is a country of 25 crore people.
00:47Demographic changes have been unprecedented in this country.
00:50People are not able to run their own homes,
00:54they are not able to run their own kitchens,
00:55they are not able to pay their bills,
00:56they are not able to pay their children's school fees.
00:58People want to leave the country and they are leaving.
01:01In these circumstances, the governance has become so complex
01:03that you are not ready to change your old ways.
01:06After all, it is our right that we are also in the world.
01:09India is sitting in our neighborhood.
01:10We have started a journey together.
01:12Today, put the brand India in front of you and put the brand Pakistan in front of you.
01:16Tell me where is the brand Pakistan standing today?
01:19Is there a competition for the brand India?
01:21Is there a competition for the brand Bangladesh?
01:23Today, we see Afghanistan as more stable than Pakistan.
01:27Bijli may have 25% of the cost.
01:30Their money is also manageable.
01:34After all, we have ended these fights and put the country's decency on our shoulders.
01:39We are all involved in this country.
01:44We have to run this country.
01:46But we are not ready to run it.
01:48We have made our own islands.
01:54We live on our own islands.
01:56We have to protect our interests.
01:58I am a lawyer.
02:01If you talk to a lawyer, he will come out of nowhere.
02:05We have established ourselves everywhere in this country.
02:10We do not have any relationship with this country.
02:14We have no relationship with the people of this country.
02:16What is your view on ad-hoc judges?
02:18You are a lawyer.
02:19The Karachi Bar case has been brought forward.
02:22The seven members of the Pakistan Bar Council have been brought forward.
02:26I think that whenever you appoint an ad-hoc judge...
02:32I think I have said this before in your program.
02:35There is a judge at home.
02:36His grandchildren are playing with him.
02:38Suddenly, the phone rings.
02:40We are appointing you as a judge.
02:41You are appointing him as a judge again.
02:43Yes, again.
02:44Security of tenure and impartiality do not come into play.
02:50His decisions...
02:53But I am sure a good judge will always be a good judge.
02:56You cannot say that this cannot happen.
02:57Look, you have got people like Justice Nasir Ul Mulk.
02:59Tell me.
03:00Imran Khan was accused of 35 punctures.
03:03He investigated.
03:04Did he not make the right decision for those 35 punctures?
03:07He did.
03:08Despite the disagreement, everyone agreed.
03:10Yes, everyone agreed.
03:11People disagreed.
03:12Imran Khan disagreed.
03:13But he said that the decision has been made.
03:14Look, I think that we have credible people like Justice Nasir Ul Mulk.
03:19He has investigated elections before.
03:22He investigated the request of Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:24And he misjudged the position of Tehreek-e-Insaf.
03:27Even today, I have complete faith in him.
03:30If there is an integrity person like him,
03:33then if you investigate these elections as well,
03:35then the matter will be revealed.
03:37The government will run for 18 months.
03:40Fitch.
03:41It is Fitch, right?
03:42Fitch said that it will not run for 18 months.
03:44He said that it will run for 18 months.
03:46And IMF will be reformed.
03:47And after that...
03:48No, I am just saying that there is so much confidence in the context of IMF.
03:51This is not a big deal.
03:52Let me understand.
03:53He is saying that it will run after 18 months or not?
03:55No, no.
03:56He is not saying this affirmatively that it will run.
03:58He is saying that it will run for 18 months
04:00until IMF reforms are done.
04:01And if anything happens after that,
04:03then the technocrat government will come.
04:05This is his analysis.
04:06Kashif, there is no rocket science in this.
04:08He is also very sensible.
04:09Fitch, Mitch, Tipo, whoever they are.
04:11They know that as long as the current political government is there,
04:15it will be supported by the army.
04:17As long as General Assad is in power,
04:19he will get a new appointment in December next year.
04:21Even the kids know this.
04:23The government and the army are one now.
04:28They are on the same page.
04:29They can't afford to have a page with each other,
04:32like what happened to Mr. Khan.
04:34So as long as they are forced to run the establishment,
04:39and they are forced to run the establishment,
04:42so this is such a big fitch.
04:44There is no bomb on which we can make such a big prediction.
04:47Because it is a matter of swim and sink.
04:50They have to swim and sink together.
04:52So I understand that they are also sitting here
04:54This is because of this time frame.
04:56Yes, this time frame.
04:57They are giving almost 16 to 18 months.
04:58General Asim Muneer's 18 months.
05:00His kids are 16 to 18 months old.
05:02So keeping that in mind,
05:04the support that the army is giving to the political government,
05:06it doesn't seem that the issues with Mr. Khan
05:09and the patch-up, the breakthrough,
05:11you don't see any of that.
05:13Your IMF has also given you 18 months.
05:16So they have combined both the things
05:18and said that they don't have a problem with 16 to 18 months.
05:20I think they have combined both the things,
05:22but the report is a risk report.
05:24At least two out of three chiefs have received extensions.
05:27So that argument is also there.
05:30Tell me, how important is the issue of tribunals
05:33for the politics of the coming times?
05:35The argument that is happening right now
05:37is that if the two-thirds majority of the government
05:39has gone, they have a simple majority,
05:41they have no threat.
05:42But then why are they reacting like this?
05:44One problem may be the ego,
05:46that we want our numbers.
05:47But secondly, they may see this ahead
05:49that if these tribunals also work like this.
05:52Because if a Supreme Court gives this decision,
05:54you are seeing an environment,
05:56Mr. Kashif, even the session judge
05:58in the case of Iddat,
06:00the decision was given to Pakistan Dariq-e-Insaf
06:02or Imran Khan.
06:03Cypher?
06:04Cypher came from the Islamabad High Court.
06:06Then you have seen that in some cases,
06:08the ATC courts have also given bail.
06:10So when an environment like this is created,
06:12then maybe the government is seeing
06:14that the tribunal will take action tomorrow,
06:16so the decisions may not be in our favor.
06:18And you know that the Islamabad case
06:20is a very open and shut case.
06:22I was talking to Mr. Faisal Chaudhary,
06:24who is listening to this matter.
06:26He said that the tribunal has given bail,
06:28but it is the same that has been uploaded
06:30on the website of the Election Commission.
06:32But the rest of the candidates,
06:344-5 have given,
06:36they are all matching.
06:38But the ECP one,
06:40which Mr. Tariq Fazal
06:42or his other friends are giving,
06:44is different.