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00:00Assalam-o-Alaikum, I am Mariami Manoj from Top Stories.

00:14Is it difficult to get rid of capacity payment surcharge?

00:18We will talk about this in the first part of the program.

00:20And who is going to get the electricity bills that are being withdrawn from our pockets?

00:25We will discuss this.

00:26After that, will the KP government be approved or not?

00:29Mulana Fazlur Rehman suddenly announced yesterday that he was given a commitment by Tehreek-e-Insaf

00:34that the KP government will be approved.

00:36We will talk about this in the second part of the program.

00:37In the last part of the program, we will talk about the Nazar-e-Sani Appeal.

00:39The judges' bench will be divided.

00:41Hassanat Malik will be the last part of the program.

00:43We will talk about this.

00:44But let's start with the electricity bills.

00:47They are talking about the sky.

00:50Your electricity bill has also increased so much that your electricity bill is more than your house rent.

00:56So do watch this program, this segment.

00:58The electricity bills in all our houses are talking about the sky.

01:02Who is going to get the money that is being withdrawn from our pockets?

01:06We will talk about this in today's segment.

01:09Today's news is that how the IPPs are being given billions of rupees in the name of capacity payment

01:16when many of the IPPs are not even generating electricity.

01:19And this claim was made.

01:20The former minister of finance, Mr. Gauhar Ijaz tweeted today.

01:24And in this tweet, he said that due to the government IPPs agreements,

01:28electricity from some power plants is being purchased at a rate of Rs. 750 per unit.

01:32While from coal power plants, electricity is being purchased at a rate of Rs. 200 per unit

01:36while from wind and solar, electricity is being purchased at a rate of Rs. 50 per unit.

01:42These most expensive IPPs have been paid Rs. 1.95 trillion.

01:49The government is paying Rs. 140 billion for one plant at a rate of 15% load factor,

01:53Rs. 120 billion for the second plant at a rate of 17% load factor

01:57and Rs. 100 billion for the third plant at a rate of 22% load factor.

02:04This makes Rs. 370 billion for just three plants.

02:08Electricity is being sold to us at a rate of Rs. 60 per unit.

02:11This is only because of these corrupt contracts, mismanagement and incompetence.

02:15In order to save your country, you should stand up against these contracts

02:18which are benefiting only 40 families.

02:20Many of you may not know what a capacity payment is,

02:24so let me explain it to you in a simple language.

02:27In order to end the increasing demand for electricity and load shedding in the country,

02:31different governments have made agreements with the IPPs in the past.

02:34Now, despite not providing electricity to these private companies,

02:38a monthly payment of Rs. 1 billion is made, which is called a capacity payment.

02:43Just take a look at the increase in capacity payment in the past 10 years.

02:48Here are the figures of 2013, which were revealed by the Prime Minister himself.

02:52In 2013, we paid Rs. 185 billion as a capacity payment.

02:58And according to the approximate estimate,

03:01this has increased to Rs. 2010 billion in 2024.

03:06You can see the exponential rise in this.

03:08And next year, there will be more increase in this and it will continue to increase.

03:12In these 10 years, there has already been an increase of Rs. 1800 billion.

03:17How much more will this increase be?

03:20This is a very big question mark.

03:22When there is a capacity payment,

03:24it is a very fancy word,

03:27but conceptually, how does it affect your bill?

03:30Let me explain this to you in a simple language.

03:32In the electricity bill, the fee unit capacity payment is fixed at Rs. 18.39.

03:37Due to the lack of electricity supply, power plants are shut down,

03:41but their revenue continues to flow from the electricity bill.

03:44People's National Grid Station, through solar power,

03:47continues to collect revenue from other people's electricity bills.

03:51Now, who has the ownership of the IPPs installed in Pakistan over the period of time?

03:57This is also a very interesting breakdown.

03:59We will talk about this too, but how many IPP plants are being paid,

04:03but they are not generating electricity?

04:06This is a very interesting fact and we will share it with you today.

04:09There are three such IPP plants,

04:11which are not generating electricity at all,

04:14but still they are losing money due to the lack of capacity payment.

04:18There are 37 such plants,

04:20which are generating less than 25% electricity,

04:23but still they are being paid in full.

04:26There are 60 such plants,

04:28which produce a little more than 25% electricity,

04:32and they are also being paid in full.

04:35Let me show you a small example.

04:37There are three such companies,

04:39which are not generating electricity at all,

04:44but still they are being paid in full.

04:47We will talk about this with reference to the data shared by Mr. Gauhar-e-Jaas.

04:52But who owns the IPPs in Pakistan?

04:55This is an important question.

04:57If there are such expensive contracts,

04:59can't we renegotiate them?

05:01Are there companies from other countries?

05:03If there are such contracts,

05:05which can be challenged in the international court,

05:07then why aren't we renegotiating them?

05:09Why are we being paid?

05:10Let me show you this breakdown.

05:1228% of the IPPs in Pakistan,

05:15are owned by the private sector.

05:1952% of the IPP plants are owned by the government.

05:2520% of the IPPs are owned by foreign companies.

05:29If you look at the breakdown,

05:3180% of the IPPs are owned by the Pakistanis,

05:36and their capacity payments are collected.

05:41Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi,

05:43former Prime Minister of Pakistan,

05:45has been in office for quite some time now.

05:47There were agreements regarding capacity payments.

05:49He was asked,

05:51was the process of bidding fair?

05:53Was there transparency?

05:55Why wasn't there?

05:57We ensured that there were agreements.

06:00He admitted that the bidding process

06:02should have been done,

06:04because these plants are not used in winters.

06:06We should have put the initial few IPPs

06:08on upfront tariffs.

06:10After that, we would have bid on tariffs.

06:12We would have defined the plant.

06:14We would have given an efficiency level.

06:16We would have bid.

06:17We would have received market-based bids.

06:1918% rate of return would have been guaranteed.

06:21We wouldn't have had to make tariffs.

06:24Our per capita consumption of electricity

06:27is still half of that of India.

06:29In winters, your demand doesn't go above Rs. 8,000-9,000.

06:33You have to shut down all the plants.

06:36Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi has raised an important point

06:39that fair bidding was not done at that time.

06:41Some initial plants were put up,

06:43because obviously there was an energy crisis.

06:45But after that, the way these agreements were made,

06:47there was no transparency.

06:49When Mr. Lagari was contacted,

06:51when he was asked about this,

06:53he said that the questions being raised

06:55about IPPs at this time,

06:57the threats that are being expressed,

06:59this is happening under some agenda.

07:01Earlier, there was silence.

07:03Now, why did you remember?

07:05Mr. Lagari raised this question.

07:07Don't speak at your own time.

07:09Don't come on social media

07:11and sit on TV and create a ruckus.

07:13For your own cheap popularity,

07:15there must be some other purpose

07:17for which these people are working.

07:19But we are better reformists than them.

07:48That is why he has said that

07:50this should be reviewed.

07:52Because people pay taxes.

07:54And the unit can be reduced.

07:56That is, this whole process

07:58can be reviewed again.

08:00So, he agrees that there are issues

08:02of capacity payment.

08:04In this, there is a problem of distribution,

08:06electricity bill collection.

08:08But why is he identifying this

08:10and doing it on Twitter?

08:12Talk to each other.

08:14If you want to do reforms,

08:16people are very angry there.

08:18Maybe people will tolerate it again

08:20in the summer.

08:22But when the tariff rate will increase,

08:24capacity payments will increase.

08:26And people may not have money

08:28to eat in their homes.

08:30And all their money will go

08:32to the electricity bill.

08:34So, we see a worrying situation

08:36in the future bill.

08:38Dr. Gauhar Ijaz is with us.

08:40He has been a former minister.

08:42Thank you very much, Gauhar.

08:44How many percent of companies

08:46are being paid

08:48even though they operate

08:50at a low capacity?

08:52Just to get the record straight,

08:54the data that you have shared,

08:56the data that you have accumulated,

08:58where did you jot it down from?

09:00How did you do the analysis?

09:02Please tell us about it.

09:04In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate.

09:06Thank you, Maria.

09:08You told the people very well

09:10what capacity payment is.

09:12Secondly, you told us

09:14how much the people are suffering

09:16because of the electricity bill.

09:18Thirdly, you told us

09:20that Mr. Shahid Khan Abbasi

09:22himself said that we should have

09:24put up a plant.

09:26We should have made it easier for some people.

09:28But after that, we should have

09:30done the bidding.

09:32And you also told us

09:34about Mr. Obais Laghari

09:36that this is definitely an agenda

09:38under which questions are being raised today.

09:40I will give my point of view

09:42one by one on capacity payment.

09:44On 1st July,

09:46the entire industry

09:48came to me

09:50and said that

09:52we had a cross-subsidy

09:54of Rs. 240 billion.

09:56The domestic consumers

09:58that we were giving

10:00from our bills,

10:02the SIFC decided,

10:04the previous caretaker cabinet,

10:06and the government has agreed

10:08that they will end the cross-subsidy.

10:10And by ending the cross-subsidy,

10:12the industry's tariff

10:14was 9 cents in SIFC.

10:16But

10:18even today, it will be 16 cents.

10:20For the past

10:228-9 months,

10:24I worked for the government

10:26whether it was industry, commerce,

10:28or investment.

10:30And whatever was my responsibility,

10:32I worked for the country knowingly or unknowingly.

10:34And this year, your export of 3.5 billion dollars

10:36and I repeatedly said in every cabinet

10:38that Pakistan's manufacturing

10:40cannot run until

10:42your electricity rates are correct.

10:44The electricity rate in the entire region is 9 cents.

10:46Why is it 16 cents?

10:48And I investigated all that and found out

10:50which country subsidizes

10:52other consumers.

10:54You don't have to subsidize the industry.

10:56If you have to subsidize any sector,

10:58the government should subsidize it from its budget.

11:00That is why tax is given and it has been agreed.

11:02And that point should be taken.

11:04I looked at the things in front of me and I saw

11:06that 7 rupees 13 paise is the tariff again.

11:08And I started reading the reports.

11:10So as I read the reports,

11:12I said this sentence that

11:14I was not surprised.

11:16I kept crying.

11:18What is happening?

11:20I took out 1.95 trillion rupees this morning

11:22and gave it to you that the payment has been made.

11:24Bill of 160 billion rupees is with NEPRA.

11:26More payments will be made.

11:28NEPRA has calculated

11:302.11 trillion rupees.

11:32We have received bills for which

11:34we will pay.

11:36Mr. Vaislagari says that

11:38our capacity is only 18 rupees.

11:40He is forgetting that apart from IPP,

11:42we also have Heidel.

11:44Apart from IPP,

11:46we also have old Gencos.

11:48Apart from IPP,

11:50we also have old capacity.

11:52I am just saying that

11:54the cost of the units

11:56that are being generated by IPP

11:58has become 24 rupees per unit.

12:00Apart from this,

12:02Heidel is not IPP.

12:04Apart from this,

12:06Gencos or old plants are not IPP.

12:08You are saying 18 rupees

12:10for both of them.

12:12I am just talking about IPP

12:14which is 23,400 megawatts.

12:16We are burdened with

12:18old things.

12:20I have shared data

12:22of only three plants.

12:24I said that

12:26after running one plant

12:28on average,

12:30you have given

12:3237 billion rupees to each plant.

12:34I am saying again that

12:36we are talking about bills of 37,000 rupees

12:38on which people are burdened.

12:4037,000 crores have been given to three plants

12:42which did not even run 15 percent.

12:44If we say that

12:46this is our IPP agreement

12:48and under this IPP agreement

12:50whether it runs or not,

12:52we have to pay money.

12:54Who has made that agreement?

12:56The government has made it.

12:58One private sector has made it.

13:00My question is that

13:02what is the government saying

13:04about the 52 percent IPP

13:06which has been put today?

13:08If I try to run

13:10my plants which are not running

13:12or if I tell them

13:14that I will give you

13:16capacity payment when you make electricity,

13:18will the investor confidence shatter?

13:20Will the investor confidence shatter

13:22against the government

13:24What are they saying?

13:26Number two, they are saying that

13:28this contract cannot be revised

13:30and it is on take-out.

13:3252 percent is owned by the government.

13:34Give money to whoever makes electricity.

13:36Out of this 37,000 crores,

13:3822,000 crores are owned by the government

13:40and out of these three plants,

13:42there are two plants.

13:44Out of this 2.13 trillion,

13:4652 percent is owned by the government.

13:4828 percent is owned by the private sector.

13:5020 percent is owned by

13:52foreign investors.

14:22And you have created an exchange,

14:24a power exchange.

14:26There should not be a single buyer.

14:28In these part-purchase agreements,

14:30the government should start

14:32in its own part-purchase agreement

14:34that they will give the money

14:36to whoever makes electricity.

14:38You see, the capacity I am talking about

14:40and I am saying it is Rs. 24,

14:42it should be Rs. 8.

14:44There are rules of the whole world.

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