World champion boxer rates every 'Rocky' & 'Creed' movie
Boxing legend "Sugar" Shane Mosley, three-division world champion and boxing hall of famer, rates every "Rocky" and "Creed" movie for realism.
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00:00Punches, right hand, left hand, both guys landing.
00:03This is unbelievable action.
00:05So the counter punches, that is realistic.
00:07And then somebody will counter my counter,
00:09they have to counter their counter.
00:11I guess it's like playing chess.
00:12I love it though.
00:14Hi guys, it's Sugar Shane Mosley here.
00:16Three Division World Champion, Hall of Famer.
00:19I fought the likes of Oscar De La Hoya,
00:22Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather.
00:24Today, we're going to be looking at boxing scenes
00:28in the Rocky and Creed movies to judge how real they are.
00:32I just tried it.
00:33I take this string, tie it to both angles,
00:35leave about two feet of slack.
00:37I ain't never had good footwork.
00:38It's real, but it's not all the way real.
00:41Sometimes people spread their legs too far
00:43when they're boxing, so they can throw punches faster.
00:47So the whole thing with the string thing
00:50is you're able to step a little bit further out,
00:55but then bring your stance back to the position.
01:03Hitting the meat, maybe it could work,
01:04because the meat is like hitting a regular body maybe.
01:09But if you don't have any gloves,
01:10that actually teaches you how to punch the right way.
01:14The new school guys aren't doing it like that.
01:16You know, they don't know how to,
01:17they punch and they slap and do all kinds of stuff.
01:20So I think that that's more the right way
01:22than some of the fighters are doing today.
01:25Let's put it that way.
01:33No, I've ran upstairs before in heels and stuff like that.
01:36It helps develop the strength and the power.
01:38But I think that what this is talking about
01:41is the mental part of it, that he's worked so hard
01:45and he's conquered all the challenges
01:48and he made it to the top of the hill
01:50and now he's ready to fight.
01:52So yes, I like what it symbolizes, yes.
01:55I've known Joe Frazier when he was alive
01:58and really good friends with him as well.
02:01And he is somebody that says that he punched the meat
02:06and ran up those steps.
02:07Maybe Rocky got that from him
02:11when he was getting ready to fight Muhammad Ali.
02:13So yeah, I mean, there's some truth in it.
02:16From a professional standpoint,
02:18a professional fighter, right?
02:19I'm thinking like somewhere around the sevens.
02:23There's a lot of things he's doing that are realistic.
02:32Yeah, very realistic.
02:33Being a champion that he was in the movie,
02:37he did what a champion is supposed to.
02:40Start with the jab, mix it up a little bit,
02:44then coming for the kill.
02:45His boxing style is more on the outside
02:49where he's doing the jabs
02:52and where it's at distance where they can come in
02:55or mid-range.
02:56It actually looks like Creed
02:57actually has some boxing training.
03:09His style is to, it seems in the movie,
03:14to collect a lot of shots, to get the guy tired.
03:16But what he should have been doing
03:18was just move his head just a little bit.
03:19Left to right, just kind of swaying.
03:21Almost like a Mike Tyson type of thing
03:24where Mike Tyson comes in and moves his head,
03:26but then he throws from the angles.
03:28Even Rocky, the real Rocky, where Rocky came from, right?
03:31He moved his head from side to side
03:33coming in in a certain way.
03:34So I think that's where this movie is really,
03:39they're talking about that Rocky a little bit.
03:42All right, get on the leaderhead.
03:47He threw the uppercut the last shot and it caught him.
03:50And it's kind of like what happened with Tank
03:52and with Javonci Davis and Martin.
03:56He was throwing the overhand left
03:57and Martin was blocking it, blocking it, blocking it.
04:00And then the next punch, he didn't throw the overhand left,
04:03he threw the uppercut, the left uppercut,
04:04boom, and caught Martin.
04:05So he caught Martin with the uppercut,
04:07the same uppercut that Rocky did.
04:13Oh my God, he's the best in style, man.
04:17Most fighters can't take the punishment
04:19that Rocky or Apollo Creed took in the fights
04:23and take so many shots and be able to finish the fight
04:28without being in a coma somewhere.
04:30The only person that came close to doing that,
04:33Achiragati and Mickey Ward.
04:35You watch their fight, it looks like a Rocky fight.
04:38They both going back and forth, getting dropped,
04:39getting back up, like it's crazy.
04:42It's almost like a movie.
04:43Today's fights, that would never happen
04:45because the fight would be stopped.
04:47We have a split decision.
04:56When I was fighting, I really wanted to get the knockout
04:59because I didn't want to go to the judge's decision
05:03because I didn't know if they were going to cheat me or not.
05:05Yeah, Rocky fighting, he knows that he's a knockout fighter.
05:09He's not a point guy.
05:10Did get a knockout with Apollo Creed
05:12for that first fight, right?
05:14By one point, Apollo won or something
05:16because it wasn't a knockout,
05:18but it was a good fight, it was a good try.
05:20What they did is a three,
05:22but what they're saying in there,
05:25he has heart and he's going to go to the end.
05:29You pick who's next.
05:31I'm next.
05:32I'm next.
05:36Andre Ward.
05:39They went and got some real fighters
05:42to make it more believable, more real.
05:44You don't always wear headgears or have to wear it,
05:48but the reason why you wear a headgear when you're sparring
05:51is so you won't get cut.
05:53It's for practice and it's to better yourself.
05:56So him sparring with somebody like Wheeler
06:00or Andre Ward, that symbolizes him sparring
06:03with somebody better than him.
06:05So if he can hang in there with Andre Ward,
06:07then he should be able to beat this guy.
06:16Well, that's the difference is that in this movie
06:18is that they're showing a little bit of head movement
06:21and Sylvester Stallone back then,
06:24they was just like, ah, this is blood and guts and glory.
06:27That was the whole thing back then
06:29is that we're gonna fight until we drop dead.
06:33You know, now this new age with Creed,
06:37they move and bob and weave,
06:39suppose bob and weave and move a little more
06:41and throw better combinations or whatever.
06:43From the body to the head, head to the body,
06:45and throw different combinations.
06:47And that's more realistic
06:49than just throwing one punch to the head.
06:52Punches, right hand, left hand.
06:54Both guys landing.
06:55This is unbelievable action.
06:57Hard right hand by Creed.
06:59So the counterpunch, that is realistic.
07:02They can go as long as they want to
07:04do the counterpunching because it's a counterpunch.
07:06There's a lot of counters I'll do
07:08and then somebody will counter my counter,
07:10they have to counter their counter.
07:11I guess it's like playing chess.
07:13I love it though.
07:14Let me see the eye.
07:16Time!
07:17Doc, give him a look.
07:19How many fingers?
07:20So it's realistic.
07:22Back in my time,
07:24you watch my fights with Fernando Vargas,
07:27I had his eye so big they had to stop it.
07:29They had to put a cut on it
07:31so it can swill and go down or whatever.
07:33They're trying to protect the fighters more nowadays
07:36so it will definitely be stopped.
07:38Rocky Balboa going upstairs like he's Apollo Creed.
07:42Closing seconds of the fight.
07:44It's very common for somebody to flourish
07:48definitely at the end of the round
07:51or the fight to win that round.
07:53It depends on what the referee sees last.
07:56They're gonna judge for the guy that threw the flurry
07:58at the end and say, oh, he won that round.
08:01I think this is more of a realistic night
08:04because you have fighters in there making it realistic.
08:07Rocky's holding a right-handed,
08:08he's fighting right-handed.
08:10I don't believe it.
08:11The Southpaw still is fighting right-handed.
08:14He didn't train for the right-handed fight,
08:15he only trained for the Southpaws.
08:16So he turned right-handed orthodox to switch things up.
08:21So there is, it's something that fighters do.
08:26You'll have Terrence Crawford, he moves from left to right.
08:30He does Southpaw right-hand.
08:31I did it with Oscar, I turned Southpaw.
08:34I was right-handed and I turned Southpaw
08:36and it was some lefts and jabs and he was kind of confused.
08:38He's going down.
08:41Here it comes.
08:44So the Polo Punch is not a common punch.
08:47It's more of a show-off punch
08:49where you have the fighter, where you want him,
08:53you can do whatever you want to him.
08:55So they do a Polo Punch to symbolize,
08:59I'm getting ready to knock this guy out.
09:01Sugar Ray Laird did it.
09:07Coaches say, oh, go throw, go throw.
09:09He has you in the ropes, he's cornering you in the ropes.
09:11And they look at it as a bad thing
09:12because that's where they corner you.
09:14But it's not really a bad thing
09:16if you know how to fight with the ropes.
09:17A lot of the older fighters,
09:19we use the ropes to spring back for shots of that.
09:22James Torn is another one that fights.
09:24He's got a heel, go to the ropes
09:26and it will knock you out.
09:27I'm another fighter that loves to fight off the ropes.
09:30I can fight off the ropes too.
09:37But Rocky hit him and then they're both going down.
09:39That did make sense.
09:41It would have been better if Rocky would hit him
09:44and hit Rocky at the same time
09:47and they both went down.
09:48Then that makes sense.
09:49It has happened where both guys hit each other, boom,
09:53and they go down and the one that gets up
09:56is gonna be the winner.
10:05Rocky won it anyway,
10:07but he should have won because, you know,
10:11he hit him and knocked him down.
10:13Not because he got up.
10:14Yeah, he didn't have to beat the count.
10:16Creed had to beat the count, which he didn't, so, you know.
10:20Yeah, four or five, I'd say five.
10:23Yeah, it's not really real.
10:32So getting punched in the stomach,
10:35I think getting punched there
10:37and learn the pain and learn how it feels
10:41and be able to fight in that is very realistic, yeah.
10:45You can't just do set-ups or whatever
10:49to be able to know what it feels like to get hit.
10:52From the break and Creed is down.
10:55Whoa! Take the eight count.
10:57Stay down! Creed!
10:59It's very realistic for him to say,
11:01stay down till you get to eight or seven
11:07and then you get up so you can recover fully
11:10because sometimes if you get hit,
11:15well, a good shot, and you do something kind of wobbly
11:18like you can't continue,
11:20then the referee will stop the fight.
11:22I think Zab Judah did that.
11:24Got hit with the right hand,
11:25jumped right up and start wobbling around
11:29and the referee stopped the fight.
11:31If he would have stayed down,
11:32probably would have still been fighting.
11:34Hard to watch, Jim.
11:35I don't think Drago has anything left,
11:37but he refuses to give up.
11:41And that's it.
11:42So throwing the towel for a coach or whatever
11:46is when you know that your fighter has no more left
11:49to save him from getting hurt.
11:52So it's the referee's job to jump in there
11:54and say, listen, you had enough.
11:56Or the coach, you know, the coach that's with you
12:00and says, you know what?
12:01I know you can't do anymore.
12:02I'm throwing the white towel.
12:03Stopping the fight is like when,
12:07I guess Creed's father dies
12:10from fighting Drago.
12:13I guess they didn't stop the fight.
12:14So this time Drago actually steps in
12:18and throws the white towel in to stop the fight.
12:21I think it's very realistic.
12:22I'll say nine.
12:31I don't think it's that realistic,
12:33but I just love the movie.
12:35This is probably my best rocker was,
12:39rocker three with Mr. T.
12:42Mr. T is funny.
12:43But I just love the sayings he's doing,
12:45like how angry he is
12:47and how he taunts everybody.
12:51He kind of gives me the James Toney,
12:54because you know James Toney's kind of this too.
12:59So what he's doing here is he's throwing only hooks.
13:03This is the style that gets a lot of people,
13:06because it's something that people don't normally do.
13:09You normally throw jabs first, right?
13:12So if you're not throwing jabs,
13:13and you start off with a little hook,
13:14then it's like, it's not by the playbook.
13:17Ricardo Mayorga threw hooks instead of jabs,
13:21and he was very successful.
13:23So it could be a good thing.
13:30I think the reason why he's missing a lot of shots,
13:32he's missing a lot of big shots,
13:33because he's trying to knock them out with every shot.
13:36A lot of times a fighter's trying to knock you out
13:38with big shots that miss.
13:40They're not trying to fight with accuracy.
13:43And that gives Rocker the advantage
13:45to be able to back up and throw his jabs
13:48and one-twos and stuff like that.
13:53Fighters are not allowed to push anybody to the ropes
13:57and pin them there to try to punch them.
13:59The only way you can put them on the ropes
14:01is by punching them to the ropes.
14:02I love this scene.
14:05Even though it's not real, like a seven.
14:13This has been a video.
14:15It was interesting.
14:17I've seen another fighter in there that I know.
14:21This is not illegal.
14:23You actually can hit all of this, anything around here.
14:26I would say that they're illegal,
14:29but I would say they're not ethical.
14:31And yeah, it is effective if you get away with it.
14:34Like, the referee doesn't see it
14:36because he's gonna tell the guy that he can't punch
14:39after that.
14:45The parry can get you in different positions,
14:47so not just to block the shot, the parry,
14:50but also to maneuver the guy from throwing his next shot.
14:54A lot of times people will just block the jab
14:57and then the right hand comes,
14:58but I can actually swat his jab over
15:01and knock his right hand off
15:03so he can't throw the right hand.
15:04Even if I parry it down, you know,
15:06like, they'll just block it straight on.
15:10You know, I'll block it different ways
15:12to make it hard for him to throw the next shot.
15:21So the clinch can be used in different ways.
15:23Like, I'll clinch it to stop a person from throwing punches
15:27or I'll clinch to tire a person out
15:30in a wrestling type of way to put my weight on them.
15:35I think with the way they're using it
15:36is that he went to clinch so he can get closer
15:40so he can zone in on the right hand.
15:42That's where you can do your best inside fighting
15:45is when you clinch.
15:46People don't really see the damage
15:48that you can do with the insides,
15:50with the body shots, body shots, head shots.
15:57That's an old-school cross with Joe Frazier,
16:01like, even before him,
16:03like I did to use this type of blocking system.
16:08And for him to have an opening, yeah,
16:10it's definitely realistic.
16:11It could have been like a nine, you know?
16:13And I liked the way he threw the punches,
16:16the boxing scenes.
16:18-♪♪
16:24Well, if you notice in the training methods,
16:28did you see them doing any boxing?
16:31They're not emphasizing the boxing part of it.
16:35And that's really what you're supposed to be doing
16:38when you get ready for a fight is boxing,
16:41not how much you can lift or how strong you are, how fast.
16:45-♪♪
16:45Balboa has taken Ivan Drago's best punches so far.
16:49He's tired, he's bleeding, but he's on his feet.
16:51Rocky being a lot smaller than Drago,
16:54yeah, definitely a disadvantage.
16:56I fought in a different weight class like this,
16:58like junior middleweight, when I fought Winky.
17:00That's why I said Winky was probably my toughest fight
17:03because when I punched him, nothing happened.
17:05He was so much bigger.
17:06It was like a kid in a pillow.
17:08Fighting somebody like Drago for Rocky
17:12is definitely, definitely tough.
17:15He's cut! He's cut!
17:17Russian's cut!
17:19Rocky Balboa coming after Ivan.
17:21So it depends on the fighter whether the cut
17:25will make the fighter want to go after the other fighter
17:29and knock him out, or he's trying to get away from the guy
17:32because the guy's hit him on the cut.
17:34So like Marvin Haggard got cut with Tommy Hearns,
17:39and he went after Tommy Hearns.
17:41You have other guys that might get hit with a cut,
17:44make it feel like he's insecure and in fear
17:47that the cut's gonna stop the fight.
17:48Yeah!
17:50And no, Russian runs to the wall.
17:52He grabs Rocky Balboa by the throat.
17:54Doing the fighting after the bell,
17:56like Rocky and Drago did,
17:59it depends on who starts it.
18:01If there's only one interrupter,
18:02then yeah, you get points taken away, maybe.
18:05But if they're both doing it,
18:06then, you know, we get two points from them.
18:08They both were fighting after the bell,
18:10so it sticks up realistically.
18:13Yeah, it's not really realistic.
18:16Who would ever have dreamed that Rocky Balboa
18:19would still be in this, quote, exhibition
18:22against the heavyweight champion of the world?
18:24So the guy fighting Rocky is Antonio Tarver.
18:28He's a professional.
18:29He's a world champion fighter as well.
18:32So here, we're looking at Rocky
18:34is 60 years old in this fight.
18:36Realistically, I wouldn't say that a 60-year-old
18:40should be able to come back and fight a real fight.
18:42Nowadays, they're doing exhibitions and stuff,
18:45but being that Mike Tyson is getting ready
18:47to go in there with Jake Paul at 58,
18:50so yeah, it's more possible.
18:56It ain't about how hard you hit.
18:58It's about how hard you can get hit
19:00and keep moving forward.
19:02Yeah, so it's not about how hard you get hit.
19:05It's how you move forward
19:06and what you do when you get hit,
19:08and that's a true statement.
19:10That's really true.
19:11Some people are afraid.
19:12Some people get more focused
19:16when they get in the ring, so it just depends,
19:18and Mike Tyson had a quote, too, as well.
19:21Everybody has a plan until they get hit in the mouth,
19:23you know what I'm saying?
19:24Because you can go in there and train
19:26and do all these different things,
19:27and then, also, you get hit, boom,
19:30and then everything goes out the window.
19:32So all that is correct.
19:34I like it.
19:35Everything he's saying, that's real.
19:37Yeah, real seven.
19:39So my favorite Rocky or Creed movie
19:42is number three with Clever Lane,
19:45and the reason why I like that one
19:48is because Mr. T was so animated
19:53in these different scenes.
19:56It just showed the passion that he had
19:59to really want to beat Rocky up.
20:04So my favorite boxing movie
20:06is the one with Muhammad Ali, The Greatest.
20:09It was realistic because Muhammad Ali
20:11was actually in it, being the actor.
20:29Yeah.