In this insightful interview, renowned Iran expert Mr. Alexander Grinberg discusses the significant implications of Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh's reported death. He examines the potential impact on the Israel-Gaza conflict and broader Middle East dynamics. Mr. Grinberg offers his perspective on why Israel may have targeted Haniyeh, the significance of the assassination occurring on Iranian soil, and the complex relationships between Hamas, Iran, and Israel.
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00:00Hello and welcome this is me Ansh Pandey on One India English and right now when we are talking
00:05a massive development has taken place inside right now in the Israel Gaza war. Ismail Haniyeh,
00:12the leader of Hamas's political wing has been declared dead. The incident took place at around
00:192 a.m in midnight local time in Iran and after that the social media is filled with responses
00:25right now that Haniyeh is dead and various political meetings are taking place. Iran
00:30right now Khamenei has issued a statement, ILGC has issued a statement talking of Netanyahu right
00:35now he's going to take a cabinet meeting and he's probably also going to address the nation on the
00:40development. But is Haniyeh really dead? For that to talk and to understand why did it matter we
00:49have got Mr. Alexander Greenberg from the JISS institute with us to talk on the issue. He's a
00:56famous renowned Iranian expert on the issue. Mr. Greenberg welcome to the show. Thank you for
01:03inviting me. Yes it's a big event of course I think that he's dead as long as we don't hear
01:12any opposite and judging by the fact that most Arab channels do refer to him as the shaheed,
01:20the martyr Haniyeh, so he's dead and Iran condemned the treacherous Cezanne strike etc etc so
01:28I believe he's dead and it was very important because he was a Haniyeh as other Hamas leadership
01:35were certain to be safe in Tehran. No it's not safe and of course it's a clear message to anyone
01:44within Iranian leadership that had it been decided otherwise by Israeli leadership any other person
01:54among Iran leaders could have been the crosshairs of Israeli missiles and I must say I saw a lot of
02:02joy of Iranian people who use the hashtag cutlet meaning kebab or like a meatball to refer to all
02:13the victims terrorist victims of Israeli or American airstrikes. Okay now okay I mean sir
02:22if this has happened indeed it is a big development sir given Ismail Haniyeh's influential position as
02:28a leader definitely he was the leader of Hamas's political wing so why do you think has Iran if
02:36Iran has targeted why is it so specifically only him and what was the exact reason that his
02:42elimination was a priority for Israel? Well I don't know the details because I has never been
02:51a fly on the in the cup or on the wall of what's going on inside Tehran but in principle the
02:58operations of this kind are always prepared in function of feasibility and possibility. I cannot
03:05say that Haniyeh is the main target Sinwar who is still alive who still withholds our hostages he
03:12is the main priority but once in general across the world the ones say you have a possibility to
03:19do that so so do that and of course it is important that each one of this criminal coterie
03:27knows that even after many years no matter where they are who they are they will be found and they
03:35will pay for their crimes and of course again it's very important for Iranian people because
03:43the regime clearly realizes that most Iranian people despise their regime and the criminals
03:51he hosts in general to suppose that Iran would sacrifice anything for the Palestinians and the
03:59Arabs given the the disdain for the Arabs from the part of the Iranians so it's a I think it's
04:08far-fetched but of course we everyone must be vigilant and not to not to delve into nonchalance
04:17and indifference. Definitely Mr. Alexander what is the most shocking thing in all this development
04:25is one thing that Haniyeh is assassinated or what we say killed on Iranian soil now it is a known
04:32thing that Haniyeh has had close connections with Iranian leadership be it the supreme leader be it
04:38the former president but this specific assassination is also raising question on Iranians
04:45why do I say so? So definitely because if we see for the last few months if you also remember just
04:52a few months ago it wasn't Israel directly attacked Iran and then after that Iran also
04:58retaliated for that and now this attack if Israel has carried out does this also raise this question
05:03on the internal security of Iran that how did they let this happen? Yes look there it proves
05:11again first of all the highest skills of Israeli intelligence it will say as far as I know it was
05:19technically conducted through missiles and planes without implicating human agents on
05:27in Tehran but I believe in general to find a target you must have human agents it's again
05:35another message for the regime because the regime what does it mean? It means that
05:40many Iranians are ready to work with the Mossad with say with I don't know with whom just to get
05:47rid of their own oppressors and again the regime is vulnerable Iran is in love with its own
05:59Iranian regime not the Iranian people is in love with its own regime that they are like their
06:05super original superpower but in fact their rotten regime whose only might is confined to asymmetrical
06:14warfare terrorism and missiles and drones by this reason I think they despise the Pakistanis
06:21but they forget that the Pakistanis studied at Oxford and Cambridge and they have a bomb
06:27and the Iranians studied at the Shahid Bhd University with all due respect it's not
06:33Oaksbridge to manufacture nukes. Definitely sir just one more question I think we also need to
06:44talk about that so there's actually a very unusual aspect right here. Haniyeh has been declared dead
06:49some reports are claiming that it was a missile strike some are claiming that it was a raid
06:54at his hotel room where he was staying but despite all this sir there is still no social
07:01there are no visuals on social media till now so does this raise any sort of suspicion
07:07at least in your mind that could it be a camouflage of some sort of something or
07:12Iran is simply choosing not to highlight this issue because it is definitely going to highlight
07:18its failure across the world. I think yes you're right look the Iranians are very smart and
07:26rational the last thing you can say about this regime but they're crazy or irrational they're not
07:31and of course yes the more you circulate the issue the more you threaten someone the more you block
07:39yourself because la noblesse oblige and you are obligated to so I don't think they want to
07:46to to cabal themselves with obligations to to take revenge because it is
07:54Palestinians who are not their priority. Hezbollah may be something different but again
08:01the assessment says that Hezbollah and Iran don't want a major escalation but again I
08:11say it with with some reservations I of course I'm not a prophet I don't say I know they won't
08:17do that they don't know but it seems that judging by the events they are not interested in further
08:23escalation. So just one last question so do you see now another chapter now breaking out
08:31in the Israel-Gaza conflict after this war after this attack specifically now this clearly also
08:37means that Israel is now probably all set now they can also attack Yahya after this
08:44even I think even after Hassan Nasrallah is also not safe if we go by this so do you see the
08:51resistance movement whether it's Yemen whether it's Lebanon whether it's Iraq for the matter
08:57do you see now they also changing their strategy owing to this development?
09:02I think one shouldn't distinguish between Hezbollah which is a diamond in the crown of the
09:08axis of resistance so Iranians won't sacrifice it easily so they know the Israel is also Israel
09:16leadership fears a major war but again the war the war is ongoing it's not that we're a we should
09:23never forget that it's not that if we were not in the war now there is war and they will people in
09:31the north the displaced people in Israel will never be ready to get back to their homes
09:39if the normalcy means seeing again Hezbollah on the border it's impossible but I don't know how
09:44one can achieve that without the war on the other side Houthis are nothing for Iran they pay
09:53them a very little money and the Iranians don't care if thousands of Yemenites die and the the
10:01fact is that neither America and the UK and Israel cannot stop the Houthi attacks of
10:09course they're not as strategic as Hezbollah but we prefer for the moment to deal with the
10:17errand boy and not with a big boss so it will continue I believe. Okay so as per your assessment
10:27what I see is that Hezbollah may not go to the extent of retaliating so big if any sort of that
10:34thing happens is that so? Yes I would fear Iranian terrorist attacks against Jewish and Israeli
10:42targets across the world as they used to do so there is a noteworthy the terrible bombing of
10:51Australian embassy in Buenos Aires in 92 and also the AMIA Jewish community building also in Buenos
10:57Aires in 94 under all their terrorist attacks that they may conduct through the networks of
11:05Hezbollah in Africa and South America this is always possible but again Iran if you do something
11:13immediately for example tomorrow they bomb Israeli embassy somewhere so this link will be too obvious
11:21Iranians also prefer to hide the tracks so that it is not so like as obvious as it is not
11:29you know just as the three of you may compare like the Indian example so your country also
11:35suffers the terrorism so we all know that Lashkar-e-Tarifa is founded and guided by
11:41ISI by Pakistan but they don't do it overtly. Okay Mr. Alexander firstly a big big thank you
11:52for your precious time on this interview. Thank you. There were some very major questions that
11:57were being asked on social media and I thought that actually our team also thought that no one
12:02can be more better expert than you to talk on this matter so yeah once again sir a very very
12:07big thank you for this interview and I believe the more this situation get developed we will
12:12talk even more in the future regarding these developments so yeah once again sir a big big
12:17thank you for this interview. Thank you sir. Don't miss out follow One India for real-time updates.