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00:00Gauri Jha has also come and he has also spoken. Then he said that Hamza Shahbaz does it very
00:15well. Then we came to know that Hamza Shahbaz did it very well. Then another statement came
00:24immediately, not as an answer, that the same rate is being applied in the petroleum. I
00:31am just telling you that all of them are in this.
00:36Mr. Musadeq Malik, you have to respond completely, but the details I have, I just want to tell
00:44you a little bit, you must know, the viewers too, that 52% of these IPPs are government
00:52IPPs. But who are the owners of the remaining 48% and how many capacity charges have been
00:59paid to them? There are about 100 private companies in Pakistan that make electricity.
01:06Of these, 51 IPPs belong to different companies and groups, 7 belong to political figures,
01:1218 belong to international companies including China, Singapore, Norway. The group of Mian
01:18Manshah is the owner of 4 IPPs. In these IPPs, AES Private Limited, AES Pak Generation
01:27Private Limited, Nishat Chuniya Power Project, Nishat Power Project and these 4 IPPs have
01:33been paid more than Rs. 24 billion as capacity charges so far. Abdul Razak Daud Sahib, who
01:41was a minister in the PTI government, he also has a company and his company generated 4%
01:50electricity last year and it has been paid Rs. 6.88 billion as capacity charges. Nadeem
01:58Babar Sahib, whose name is coming up again and again, he is also the owner of the Orient
02:05Power Group. He also has a partnership with them and they have been paid Rs. 5.80 billion
02:12as capacity charges. Jahangir Trinth Sahib has 2 factories that make electricity, JDW
02:18Sugar Mills Unit and JDW Unit 3 and their IPPs have been paid Rs. 77 crore as capacity
02:27charges. Shabaz Sharif Sahib's son, Hamza Salman Shabaz is the owner of Chuniyot Power
02:33Group and he also has a company named Hamza. Last year, this IPP generated 33% electricity
02:39while the company was paid Rs. 1.55 billion as capacity charges. Now, I have told you
02:45this in a little detail, Mr. Musaddiq, because in this, the important personalities of both
02:51the government and the opposition are involved. So, it seems that the matter will not move
02:57forward. Yes, I think that at this time, on all these proposals, there should be a way
03:04by which we do not break any such contract, after which we have to bear its loss. You
03:10will remember, in the same way, we suffered a loss of $10 billion in the case of Rekodik.
03:15Then once before, there were such problems in the rental power as well, where some such
03:20decisions were taken. But, Mr. Musaddiq, I am cutting you off. The company is currently
03:26generating zero units of electricity, but it is being paid billions of rupees. Capco
03:32is not generating anything at the moment, it is also being paid money. So, why are we
03:37paying billions of rupees to the IPPs that generate zero units of electricity?
03:42Come, viewers, let's go to Dr. Gauhar Ajaz, Chairman, FPCCI, Former Minister of Commerce
03:48and Industry. Thank you very much, Dr. Sahib, for discussing the matter of IPPs and
03:53IPPs. The campaign that is going on against you, I will come to that later. Now, the
03:58son of the Prime Minister has also jumped into this, and his belief is that the plants
04:05of Bagas have no capacity payment, etc. This is completely wrong, what is being claimed.
04:12First of all, I would like to take your opinion on this matter, that what Salman Shahbaz
04:20has said, is it correct or not? Yes, what Salman Shahbaz has said is absolutely
04:25correct, and in that he has said that if you look at their plant here, they have a raw
04:31material of Rs. 7, and they have been paid under the head of capacity of Rs. 11. But,
04:36what Salman Shahbaz is saying, let me explain it to you, he is saying that on the basis
04:41of my capacity, I am not getting the payment. I am getting the payment that I am generating
04:46electricity, and the electricity that I am providing. So, they are getting electricity
04:51of Rs. 18, and I am saying exactly the same thing, that the whole of Pakistan, the formula
04:56of Salman Shahbaz, which is put on their plant, I am also saying the same thing, that
05:01this should be put on the whole of Pakistan, that the one from whom electricity has been
05:06purchased, should be paid. Look, this data, this is obvious, this is not
05:11something that has been kept in a warehouse. You have analysed the data, you have accessed
05:16it, it is there, you have taken a stand on its basis, you have shared that data, and
05:21that data has been challenged very little, in fact, it has not been challenged at all.
05:25I would like to know from you, because you have been a minister, you know the system
05:29from within, what would be the reason that such a big rip-off, in the presence of so
05:34much data, no one has taken it up? What can be that reason?
05:38It is a very simple matter, Talat. Every one of us says that this is a contract.
05:43And we have made this agreement, and if we look at the agreement, then look, last time
05:48everyone was scared, look, the Supreme Court had seen the record, so look at it this way,
05:53there was a claim of 6 billion dollars in the country, we made the agreement,
05:58such big claims will come again. This is not a contract at all, this contract is based on
06:03fraud, this is based on over-invoices, there are many mistakes in all these contracts,
06:08we are looking at each contract. Okay, and I will tell you another interesting
06:13Talat, the lawyer of our Pakistan, who had fought this case of Rekodik against Pakistan,
06:18and he brought out what all things Pakistan, we brought the same lawyer in favor of Pakistan,
06:23he said, I will fight this case for Pakistan. Now, this is a breaking news for you also,
06:29that the lawyer who brought 5 billion dollars in the international court in front of Rekodik,
06:34the same lawyer, he is one of the best lawyers of our country, in contract law,
06:39we will take the best lawyers in the world, we will not let the business community of Pakistan
06:44let down, he did not bring the Rekodik case in front of us, we will bring everything in front of us,
06:49because, I am saying again, what we are saying, at this time, we do not have the
06:55bill of 60 rupees, I think if the actual bill is made, on the basis that Salman Shah
07:00is giving electricity for 18 rupees, if everyone gives electricity for 18 rupees,
07:05then our bill will be 30 instead of 60.
07:10Gauhar-e-Jahaz and his team are all businessmen, they do IPPs, IPPs a lot,
07:18but those who have done these mass murders, why are they afraid to take their names,
07:25they are afraid of death, they are making noise of murder,
07:32even a child will make noise, a person has died, a person has died, a person has died,
07:37you are a businessman, you are very smart, take the name of the murderer,
07:42you even have access to classified information, listen, take the name,
07:52if there is any blood left in the people, then open it,
07:58who are the creators of these IPPs,
08:04the blood that has been squeezed from the IPPs,
08:09take their names, access to them,
08:14those who have crossed their paths, sell their properties,
08:19those who have done this mischief,
08:23mischief, with money, what word should I use,
08:31who brought them, who floated this idea,
08:35on what conditions,
08:38give an advertisement of half and half pages, educate people,
08:42the families of the families are ruined, the country's economy is ruined,
08:46industry, exports, economy, everything is ruined,
08:49the country is bankrupt, people are dying of hunger,
08:53brothers are killing each other,
08:57those who have brought the IPPs,
09:01and those who have opened the gates of the people,
09:04of the hungry wolves, seize their property,
09:08seize their passports,
09:12put their names on ECL,
09:26when the throne will be lifted,
09:39the prisons will be demolished,
09:52when the throne will be lifted,
09:55the prisons will be demolished,
10:02the prisons will be demolished,
10:05the hunger will be destroyed,
10:08you will run to London, Paris,
10:13when the throne will be lifted,
10:15the prisons will be demolished,
10:23the day the weapons will speak,
10:25the day the swords will dance,
10:31the oppressors will scream in the palaces,
10:33when the taunts of time will break,
10:38when you will reach your destination,
10:41when you will drown in the river of blood,
10:51when the throne will be lifted,
10:54the prisons will be demolished,
11:01the weapons will be destroyed,
11:04the soldiers will dance,
11:07you will run to London, Paris,
11:12when the throne will be lifted,
11:14the prisons will be demolished,
11:22you are celebrating,
11:24you are decorating the crown,
11:29you are eating the weak,
11:32you are creating chaos,
11:37when the clouds of death will come,
11:39every storm will come,
11:47when the throne will be lifted,
11:49the prisons will be demolished,
11:57the weapons will be destroyed,
12:00the soldiers will dance,
12:02you will run to London, Paris,
12:07when the throne will be lifted,
12:10the prisons will be demolished,
12:17how long will you hang on the fence,
12:20how long will you hang on the fire,
12:25how long will you show the oppression,
12:28how long will you fight,
12:33when the throne will be lifted,
12:35the battlefield will change,
12:43when the throne will be lifted,
12:45the prisons will be demolished,
12:53the weapons will be destroyed,
12:56the soldiers will dance,
12:58you will run to London, Paris,
13:04when the throne will be lifted,
13:06the prisons will be demolished,
13:14what is written in the blood of the oppressed,
13:16they have looted peace for centuries,
13:19the hearts of the children are alive,
13:21their faces are like that of a beast,
13:24what is written in the blood of the oppressed,
13:26they have looted peace for centuries,
13:29the hearts of the children are alive,
13:31their faces are like that of a beast,
13:34when the lamp will burn in the grave,
13:37when the smoke will rise in the grave,
13:44when the smoke will rise in the grave,
13:52when the throne will be lifted,
13:54the prisons will be demolished,
14:02the weapons will be destroyed,
14:04the soldiers will dance,
14:07you will run to London, Paris,
14:12when the throne will be lifted,
14:15the prisons will be demolished,
14:33you will run, you will run, you will run